Jordan Birnbaum

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Paul Krassner

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Oct 17, 2013

When we think about activism at its most impactful and effective, we usually think about the 1960s, and groups like The Yippies and The Merry Pranksters. We might think about publications like The Realist, and icons like Lenny Bruce and Ken Kesey. What do all these things have in common? The great Paul Krassner, who I regard as an American treasure. It is my greatest honor to have an opportunity to host him here on Tawkers and explore the current state of activism in the U.S.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:30 AM

Mr. Krassner I presume?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:31 AM

Here he comes

Paul Krassner · 1:31 AM

Here I am...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:32 AM

Let me begin by stating unabashedly that I have the utmost admiration and respect for you, sir.

Paul Krassner · 1:32 AM

That's so true -- I agree...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:32 AM

lol -well said

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:33 AM

I am so excited for this opportunity because I feel that the state of our nation is at a level of absurdity only fitting for a master satirist

Paul Krassner · 1:34 AM

my previous comment is what people used to write in the margins of their textbooks.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:34 AM

it's hard to type when I'm laughing

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:35 AM

OK -so here's where I want to start. It seems to me like the most obvious question in the world is about The Yippies and Occupy Wall Street

Paul Krassner · 1:35 AM

reality has been nipping at the heels of satire for decades and has finally caught up with it, even surpassing...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:36 AM

I know it's too broad a question, but how did you feel during Occupy Wall Street?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:36 AM

was it inspiring? depressing? invigorating? did it stir up memories?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“How would you compare the activism today vs back in the 60's Paul?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:37 AM

the similarities between the two movements are substantial, including no hierarchy

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:38 AM

(at least, from what I've read...)

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:38 AM

(Wikipedia rules)

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“if anyone is here and wants to pass the time,listen this great interview between Paul and Lee Camp - http://leecamp.net/?p=1222”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:40 AM

I sent Paul a copy of my Tawk with Lee when I asked him to do this.

Paul Krassner · 1:40 AM

Ter's a sense of continuity. The Yippies had to perform stunts to get media coverage of our causes, so a group of went to the NY Stock Exchange, upstairs to the balcony, and threw $200 worth of singles onto the floor below, watching the gang of manic

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:41 AM

that's a very famous scene, and one that makes me smile whenever I read or hear about it.

Paul Krassner · 1:42 AM

brokers suddenly morph from yelling "Pork Bellies" into "Diving for Dollars." Then we had a press conference outside, explaining the connection between the capitalist system and the war. Now, a particular placard, "Wall Street is War Street" -- that

Paul Krassner · 1:43 AM

is a fine example of continuity with the Occupy movement.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:43 AM

indeed -that fills me with optimism

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:44 AM

I find it a little suprising that The Yippies weren't mentioned more substantially during Occupy. Do you think it's because they don't want to stir up the old memories?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“"Paul Krassner - Occupy Wall St. & the Yippies" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnIM67suBM”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

I guess I'm really referring to mainstream media in that assessment.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“The mainstream media intentionally blacked-out the OWS "movement."”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“They've also blacked-out the upheaval in Iceland.”

Paul Krassner · 1:50 AM

This is like playing catch-up...The Occupiers may have heard of the Yippies but they have their own style and action...both movements had no hierarchy except that Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin and I sere as liaisons with the media because we had contact

Paul Krassner · 1:50 AM

with the media and learned how to speak in sound bites...,

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:51 AM

did anyone from OWS reach out to you for advice?

Paul Krassner · 1:53 AM

No, and there was no reason to do so.-- if anything I would reach out to them for advice.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:53 AM

well, given your experiences, what were some of the more important things you learned?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:54 AM

(I think it would be a good idea to ask your advice...)

Paul Krassner · 1:54 AM

One differenec: The Yippies were a myth that became a reality; the Occupiers were a reality that has become a myth.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“I have a question... If we have to live through such absurd times again right now, why don't we have all the amazing music the 60s did?! No Fair!”

Paul Krassner · 1:56 AM

The only advice I would have to protesters would be not to take themselves as seriously as their causes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:56 AM

it does seem (from the outside) as though you and your compadres had a lot more fun...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“@Blake - that's one advantage of being old.”

Paul Krassner · 1:57 AM

sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to comments yet.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:57 AM

ahh don't worry about them

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:57 AM

just kidding forum

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“A lot of fascist mayors around the country used trumped-up, bogus disturbing the peace rules to eliminate Occupy meetings around the country”

Paul Krassner · 1:59 AM

Blake--that's why there are radio stations around the country that play that good ol' music...people can get it on there devices...when I was a kid was afraid the world would run out of melodies...hmmmmmm

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Paul - what about clashes with the authorities? How taxing was that on you all?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

or did it add fuel to the fire?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Jordan should promote my comments more. I'm a Big Deal over here, Goddammit.”

Paul Krassner · 2:02 AM

Clashes with authorities went with the territory, namely they considered us a threat to the status quo.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

“So, what do you think about that assessment: "Occupy was a reality that has become a myth"?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:02 AM

What is the Occupy myth now?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

“(I was actually asking you audience members what you think about wheter OWS was a reality that became a myth)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I think he meant occupy has become more of an idea like V for Vendetta "you can't kill an idea"”

Paul Krassner · 2:06 AM

I should say they are TREATED like a myth by the mainstream media, just like the beginning of the the Occupiers, and now their actviities get hardly any coverage at all.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

I do feel as though one of the great differentiators between The Yippies and OWS was your sense of theatricality.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

As artists, you had more creative ways of remaining relevant

Paul Krassner · 2:08 AM

Rachel--I know of a few jorunalists who were covering us ended up joining us one way or another, from smoking pot to antiwar activism...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“were there any times you got the authorities to join your side? or see your point of view on things? not just from the "authority" point of view?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

that must have been rewarding

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

So I saw earlier there were several mentions of The Realist and fanzines in the forum.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

The Realist gets so much love from so many giants of today's political comedy scene.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

Did you have any idea to longstanding impact it was going to have while you were doing it? When did you realize it was shifting the landscape?

Paul Krassner · 2:11 AM

Very gratifying that The Realist influenced Lenny Bruce, Mort Sahl, George Carlin, Lewis Black, Richard Lewis, Dick Gregory, Elayne Boosler, among others...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

I feel like Real Time, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report can all trace their lineage back to you and your cohorts

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

that's the current holy trinity of political comedy

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Groucho Marx said that Krassner is a living Lenny Bruce. I think that's good.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

that's an achievement in understatement, Rick.

Paul Krassner · 2:14 AM

I was too busy doing it to think of its impact...but I had no competiton,,,before Spy, National Lampoon, Doonesbury, Daily Show -- I had no models to follow and had to make it up as I went along -- it was a two-way street: I learned so much from the

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:16 AM

So can you describe how things have changed relative to government and the people? Are things much worse now, or are we simply getting more information, which makes it seem worse?

Paul Krassner · 2:17 AM

Seth--the Koch brothers have funded--and manipulated--the ea party from the beginning.

Paul Krassner · 2:17 AM

as I was saying, I learned so much from the readers of The Realist.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

It's kind of amazing that you had an interactive relationship with your readers before there was "interactive."

Paul Krassner · 2:18 AM

Well, Jordan, in those days, it was creeping fascism, now it's galloping fascism.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

So it's almost as though the biggest change is in a loss of pretense?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

As in, they don't even bother to pretend anymore?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

“Ooooh, galloping fascism. That's a nice turn of phrase. And it's nice (and alarming) that soemone else feels the same way!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“I'm always amazed that the left doesn't use the term Fascism, but allows itself to falsely be accused of Socialism. Fascism is the biggest threat to our country, and larger now than ever before”

Paul Krassner · 2:21 AM

The magazine resonated with the readership and after all I had felt that if I was the only one with a sense of irreverence there was no hope.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

How is your hope for the United States right now?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:24 AM

and as a follow-up question -how is your hope for humanity?

Paul Krassner · 2:26 AM

I have been wavering between hope and fear, but I felt a sense of hope because -- as the polls indicated -- the bad guys showed through and the good guys (all of us, of course) were finally heard on the covers of the NY Times an the Wall St. Journal.

Paul Krassner · 2:27 AM

Malala personifies my hope for humanity.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

Wow -great call. Me too!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

Does it seem at all to you like we're swinging on a pendulum? You know, we keep having to let things get so bad that we're forced to improve them? Like, Civil War, then The Depression, then Vietnam, then George W. Bush?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:29 AM

or is it all a slow descent into madness?

Paul Krassner · 2:31 AM

As for "Chicago 10," I liked howt the animated scenes were integrated into the script, especially since the documentary was about a tarial and camera were't allowed in the courtroom.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“Paul - How did you feel about Brett Morgen's mixed media documentary Chicago 10? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0905979/?ref_=fn_al_ch_1a”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:32 AM

So Paul - how have your thoughts and feelings about government changed over the years? Or have they remained the same?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

I mean, your expectations and ideas

Paul Krassner · 2:35 AM

I never saw such fear as the Republicans have been of the eat party, or such hatred of a president (although I didn't feel like George Bush was so adorable)

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:36 AM

OK my friend - I've kept you here more than an hour. Are you ready to wrap up?

Paul Krassner · 2:37 AM

Why is our government the only one not to sign the ban on cluster bombs? It seems that all governments suck.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

I sometimes fear that might be an inevitability of human of nature.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

but I have tremendous hope too

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

i guess that's what they call "bi-polar."

Paul Krassner · 2:39 AM

Yes, I guess we can wrap it up...I'm beginning to see the light at the end of the carpal tunnel.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:40 AM

Thank you so much for doing this, and thank you so much for your courage and your vision. You have made a great contribution.

Paul Krassner · 2:41 AM

As they say after TV interviews (evolution in action)--my pleasure, thanks for having me, and to you writers out there, try to avoid cliche's like the plague...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

lol again

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

forum -thank you so much - you were amazing as always

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Thanks Paul I think you are amazing and your work! Thank you so much for tawking with us! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Thanks, Jordan & Paul! Sorry we couldn't add much to the discourse.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Good luck with your future endeavors Paul and goodnight everyone!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Time to shutdown...oops bad word”

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Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

if anyone is here and wants to pass the time,listen this great interview between Paul and Lee Camp - http://leecamp.net/?p=1222

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:27 AM

Awesome, Lucy! Thanks!

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:27 AM

welcome :-)

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:27 AM

let's do this :D Hi!

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:29 AM

evening all!!

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:31 AM

I'm a semi-fan of Krassner; I still have my early 60's copies of The Realist. Paul, what do you think of the concluding Act of our latest Theater of the Absurd? Is it me, or is the world less amusing now?

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:33 AM

Is everyone here I presume?

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

nope i aint here,seth

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

i'm not either. lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

What up hos and bitches?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

hey mano! :)

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

yo! what up dog?

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:34 AM

Oooh, less amusing. That's an interesting way to put that, Rick...

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:35 AM

What up b-atch

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:35 AM

no no Seth..its biatch..keep up!

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:36 AM

tomato, tow-mato Lucy :)

Aaron MeyersOct 17, 2013, 1:36 AM

yippies? yuppy + hippy?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:36 AM★ Spotlighted

How would you compare the activism today vs back in the 60's Paul?

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:36 AM

i am in the realms of the unknown reality. i am not sure i even if i am really here or over there

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:36 AM

wtf are Yippies? Yuppy/hippies? That's an oxymoron!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:37 AM

i think yippies were more "activistic" than hippies were? not sure tho

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:37 AM

OWS reminded me of getting high in peoples' living rooms and solving the world's problems.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:37 AM

How come Occupy really didn't last as a movement but the Tea Party shows no signs of letting up?

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:37 AM

i used to do that whilst playing monopoly,mano

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:37 AM

occupy is still going,seth

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

occupy is still around it just became offshoots into different things like occupy homes strike debt etc..

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

Not really Lucy...it's not a driving force in politics at all

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

oh really.seth? shows what you know

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

BURN!

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

Tea Party owns a major political party yet Occupy doesn't occupy anything in DC

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:38 AM

lol

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:39 AM

bite me mano!! lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:39 AM

:cD

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:39 AM

ok seth,you believe that then :-)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:39 AM

Wow this dude is like a really slow typist.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:40 AM

I would like it to be more powerful Lucy but it just isn't

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:40 AM

maybe paul only has one finger,mano

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:40 AM

Bad news, Paul. With the exception of me, the people on this Tawk view you as being of the same generation as Amenhotep. Their idea of radical protest is cutting out hostess products.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:40 AM

the Paul / Lee Camp podcast is SO GOOD! Loved it!

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:40 AM

Who the fuck is Amenhotep? I don't listen to a lot of rap.

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:41 AM

lol @mano

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:41 AM

that's awesome! :)

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:41 AM

bit like the YES MEN,paul

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:41 AM

I liked the Weather Underground.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:41 AM

Pantera had a lot of ballads and they all sound the same. Discuss.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:42 AM

funny that the one "absurdity" we have in our country is someone who would actually give money away.. strange huh? lol

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:42 AM

Can we pick up the pace of typing please?

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:42 AM

oh hush seth

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:42 AM

Proves my point. If you don't know that the past exists how can you act in the present?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:43 AM

hm. brokers diving for dollar bills.. love it. lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:43 AM

Rick, if I look at the screen just barely - like peripherally - your last name looks like "Boner."

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:44 AM

I love witty reparte.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:44 AM

Well this is the Internet.

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:45 AM★ Spotlighted

"Paul Krassner - Occupy Wall St. & the Yippies" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnIM67suBM

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:46 AM

Thanks again, Lucy.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:46 AM

I must admit, I've heard the name Paul Krassner before but I am unaware of his role in history or the present.

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:46 AM

ya welcome rebecca :-)

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:47 AM

So, I don't want to be disrespectful or appear bored, because I'm not, but I just learned about this thing and I want to share it with you very lovely people. Is that out of line?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:47 AM

WAY out of line, Rebecca.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:47 AM

go ahead

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:47 AM

as long as its a squiggly line

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/123. This!

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

We'll give you a free pass this time Rebecca :)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

Are we done? Is this over?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

SOmeone might check on the old dude.

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

broken link

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

Crap. I'll try again.

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

nurse? NURSE!!!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/123

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:48 AM

cool Rebecca! :)

Lucy DyerOct 17, 2013, 1:49 AM

ok that worked. cheers

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:49 AM

So, there's this group called the Hacker Scouts (but they have to change their name because the Boyscouts got their boxers knotted over it).

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:49 AM★ Spotlighted

The mainstream media intentionally blacked-out the OWS "movement."

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:49 AM★ Spotlighted

They've also blacked-out the upheaval in Iceland.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:49 AM

That is the absolute truth, Mano. The sick fucking truth.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Also, Occupy didn't have a major corporate backing like the Tea Party

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Iceland jailed their corrupt bankers and rewrote their Constitution. They're doing pretty well now.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Money talks

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

I wish we would stop calling things the OPPOSITE of what they mean: The Patriot Act, The Mainstream Media etc...

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

And everywhere else. They also blocked the banning of Monsant products in several countries.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

I want to move to Iceland

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Yes, because money is tantamount to Freedom of Speech, I elected not to pay my taxes this year.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Rachel, that's Doublespeak.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:50 AM

Me too.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:51 AM

The mainstream media must fall. And I want it to go hard. Starting with Anderson Cooper.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:51 AM

I want them to go out Christine Lubbock style.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:52 AM

Like, seriously, everytime things happen like that, things that seem to have been ripped right out of 1982, I get an eerie falling feeling, like, oh no, we have gone too far. War is Peace, you know.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:52 AM

do you think these movements are at more of a disadvantage because they lack leadership? or do you think that is what will keep people in it for the long-haul? I would think some sort of leadership would be needed.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:53 AM

How CAN it fall, Man? That's the problem. I mean, there are cracks, there are other sources...on THIS day. But they're trying to shut down internet freedom and then we'll be in a real fix.

Blake IanOct 17, 2013, 1:53 AM

I just found out Paul Krassner was a prodigy violinist!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:53 AM

when money falls they will fall.. or will they just create "new money"? :p

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:53 AM

Nah, there were zines and underground societies long before the INternet. Even before the printing press.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

Mainstream media can fall simply by turning it off.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

Rebecca those names came about for a reason. It's all about head-faking people into doing things against their interests: calling tax deadbeats job creators, calling torturers liberators, calling an estate tax for millionaires a death tax, etc.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

violinist. very classy. :)

Trey WilliamsonOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

I had a ZINE in high school!

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

If the 60's and 70's are too ancient to register read books - or in today's parlance, go to Wikipedia.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:54 AM

Also, Krassner talks of speaking in soundbytes and manipulating the media but that's when the media had journalistic integrity and wasn't a propagandist faction of the administration.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:55 AM

What about, Trey?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:55 AM

BBSes. And despite whatever freedoms they take from us, the Internet is very capable of manipulation.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:55 AM

love that. yes occupy seems like their purpose was to get people talking and get people paying attention to these things.. I mean a lot of the media was forced to cover it just because it was so big.. at least I saw it on tv and lots of coverage..

Blake IanOct 17, 2013, 1:55 AM★ Spotlighted

I have a question... If we have to live through such absurd times again right now, why don't we have all the amazing music the 60s did?! No Fair!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

Seth, don't you find it chilling, though?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

I agree with Blake... we NEED something better than techno and auto tune.. :(

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM★ Spotlighted

@Blake - that's one advantage of being old.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

Because we are a bunch of pussies, man.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

I do, but that's propaganda. It's always been around

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

Mano, I know too many stupid people! They don't turn it off! They WON'T turn it off!

Blake IanOct 17, 2013, 1:56 AM

They got Dylan... we get.... John Mayer?! Womp wommmmppp

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:57 AM

A bunch of cowards lead by the fact that we can be anything we want to be if we just believe hard enough then we'll get all the money and pussy we want.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:57 AM

fact* should be myth*

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:57 AM

Yes we are rabid dogs! RAWF!

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 1:57 AM

They don't deserve you, Krassner.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:58 AM

Stop it, Boner.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 1:58 AM★ Spotlighted

A lot of fascist mayors around the country used trumped-up, bogus disturbing the peace rules to eliminate Occupy meetings around the country

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 1:58 AM

They actually conspired to do so, Seth.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 1:59 AM

I don't believe you Mano *sarcasm*

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM

Megadeth rules my ears right now, Rachel. I will respond to your sarcasm in a moment.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM

I know the fix was in Mano

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM

They were determined not to have deja vu from the '60's

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Jordan should promote my comments more. I'm a Big Deal over here, Goddammit.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

So, what do you think about that assessment: "Occupy was a reality that has become a myth"?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM

haha Jordan, did you know Mano is a big deal? lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:01 AM

Damn straight!

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:01 AM

A legend in his own mind.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:01 AM

Boner...

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:01 AM

I mean, gah.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:01 AM

Good banter between you guys

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

were there any times you got the authorities to join your side? or see your point of view on things? not just from the "authority" point of view?

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:02 AM

If you consider 'boner' good, clever banter . . .

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:02 AM

OWS pussed-out when the jackbooted thugs marched in. That was their downfall: Fear of authority.

Blake IanOct 17, 2013, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Paul - How did you feel about Brett Morgen's mixed media documentary Chicago 10? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0905979/?ref_=fn_al_ch_1a

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:02 AM

They're not really the violent type, actually just the opposite. The Tea Party is the violent type

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:03 AM

But the Tea Party is less a movement than a political ideal.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:03 AM

They hire people to show up for demonstrations in order to fool the media.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:03 AM★ Spotlighted

(I was actually asking you audience members what you think about wheter OWS was a reality that became a myth)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:03 AM

Or better, the viewers.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:04 AM★ Spotlighted

I think he meant occupy has become more of an idea like V for Vendetta "you can't kill an idea"

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:04 AM

I know the Tea Part is more about hatred than anything else but it definitely has a lot of money and power, even if it's people are two nuts short of a nutcake

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:04 AM

We still have Black Sabbath. And really, that was about the only decent music from the 60s.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:04 AM

Yup, Mano. It's ridiculous on the one hand, it is spooky as hell on the other.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:05 AM

What? How about the Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, etc. Sixties were great for music

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:05 AM

p.s. sorry for quoting a MOVIE as my reference. I swear I am more educated then that. lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:05 AM

Well no one's going to fund the OWS because it's just a bunch of misguided kids.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:05 AM

GRATEFUL DEAD!!! <3

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:05 AM

Nah the 70s were.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

Rachel, you are a dirty hippy.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

Well it's an anti-corporate movement unlike the TP, so that's why they don't have funding

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

I take that as a compliment Mano haha :D

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

Seth, you and Jordan are on my plane.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

;)

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

Thanks...guess that's a good thing

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

oh yeah that's true Paul. Media can't have people knowing that a lot of other people are just as upset as they are.. divide and conquer

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:06 AM

Is that a word, Jordan?

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:07 AM

Just got to get Jordan to stop doing so much presuming...you know what they say about people who presume... :)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:07 AM

That's exactly right, Rachel. Racial is the easiest one, then religious differences, then classism.

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:07 AM

@Seth. I mean you have a perspective based on an interest in the world, past and present.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:08 AM

@Rick, thanks

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:08 AM

As an artist, I often use subversive methods to incite violence and humor to avoid arrest.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:08 AM

I agree Mano when in reality we are all pissed off about 90% of the SAME things... but they focus on that 10% we are separated by. psychological warfare I am telling you

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:08 AM

I also take drugs. Like a shit-ton. All the time.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:09 AM

I'm prolly going to nap after this.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:09 AM

awesome! I love to hear that Paul! I think more police and military really need to see the danger in just following orders without asking any questions and being more & more distanced from the people they were meant to protect

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:10 AM

I think they're starting to come around, Rachel.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:10 AM

What kind of mileage that plane get, Boner?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:10 AM

I truly hope so Mano

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:10 AM

We want to go to Iceland.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:11 AM

can I hitch a ride to Iceland?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:11 AM

Sweden's pretty cool too, now. And those people are GORGEOUS. They're all blond(e)s but...

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:11 AM

All those people are just GORGEOUS. It doesn't matter at all; you can just switch-hit and it's all good.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:12 AM

deal breaker I prefer brunettes lol

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:12 AM

Yeah me too.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:12 AM

BUt still.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:12 AM

Came across this quote which is even truer today than it was nearly 70 yrs ago when Truman made it http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/97983-republicans-approve-of-the-american-farmer-but-they-are-willing

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Groucho Marx said that Krassner is a living Lenny Bruce. I think that's good.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:13 AM

rich, elitist, b.s. that quote is

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:13 AM

@seth I meant

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:14 AM

It's amazing how things don't change that much Rachel

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:14 AM

It's amazing how long it takes this guy to type!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:14 AM

@ Seth amazing because it is very sad that we don't seem to evolve at all.. or our societies don't ... but why would they won't it to? they like it the way it is, big bucks... for them

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:14 AM

Lol Mano

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:15 AM

(I know that's disrespectful but dang!)

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:15 AM

dude

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:15 AM

I know.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:16 AM

Agreed Mano...let's remember he is getting up there

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:16 AM

I know.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:16 AM

I would never hire him as my secretary

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:17 AM

He needs speech to type.

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:17 AM

Paul, do you still find the world amusing? Or has the nonsense worn thin.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:17 AM

well he technically knows how to use more technology than us when you consider all the different tech advances in the 60's,70's,80's, AND computers... just sayin

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:17 AM

Well. Most of that tech is outdated.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:17 AM

But, again, I know that's disrespectful. I meant it in good humor.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:18 AM

I want a record player

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:18 AM

completely irrelevant I know, but I do

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:18 AM

Someone get him Siri :)

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:18 AM

I know! I need to get somewhere that sells them :)

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:18 AM

best sound ever still

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM

How 'bout an 8-track Rachel?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM

My humor is often cruel. I feel shame but it's too funny not to share.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Ooooh, galloping fascism. That's a nice turn of phrase. And it's nice (and alarming) that soemone else feels the same way!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM

eh well I lived through the cassette tape era.. i think I'm good on the 8-track Seth lol

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM

no worries mano :)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:19 AM

I still have KISS 8-tracks in the basement.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

Mano, you'd have to take a shit-ton of drugs to utilize that.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

The Ultra-Libs are just as guilty of Fascism as the Right, now. That HAS to be continually mentioned.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

I'm halfway there, Rebecca.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

Word, Mano.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

maybe that's to our advantage in that, if they don't hide it anymore.. people will be forced to see the truth

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM

Word to yo mamas, yo.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm always amazed that the left doesn't use the term Fascism, but allows itself to falsely be accused of Socialism. Fascism is the biggest threat to our country, and larger now than ever before

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:21 AM

Political Correctness is a damning Fascist ideal.

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

Stupidity is the biggest threat to our country, Seth.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

Yes, Seth. Yes. That bugs me, too. Virtually ANYONE who uses the word Communism these days uses it incorrectly and in an inflammatory fashion.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

And that, rick.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

Well they always have, Rebecca. I mean remember McCarthyism.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

I have zero fucking hope for the United States.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

are we screwed paul?

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:22 AM

When I hear wingnuts accusing Obama of being a Communist I want to just say no...but you're a fascist!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:23 AM

LOL, Seth.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:24 AM

"Creeping Death" vs. "Four Horsemen" as best Metallica song. Dscuss.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:24 AM

(While we wait.)

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:24 AM

Over the summer, got to go to Canada and what a refreshing perspective on things: $11/hr min wage, single-payer healthcare, no insane political parties, and ironically their economy is beating the pants off ours

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:24 AM

They have sex clubs in Canada, too. And weed.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:25 AM

Take a shit-ton of drugs and fall into a pile of nekkit people. Like grade school!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:25 AM

@Seth yeah but I heard the people in charge in Canada aren't the best either... from what I hear from a couple of people I have talked to that live there

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:25 AM

Definitely a much more relaxed environment of sane people. If only it was so freaken cold

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:26 AM

Their judges are appointed for life too. That can't be good.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:26 AM

They were fine...if anything they were criminally friendly

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:26 AM

pssh I am like 6 hours from the Canada border lol. it is about the same temp here in Minnesota.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:26 AM

I hope this Tawk is longer than an hour.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:27 AM

yay! Hope for the good people!

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:27 AM

Our judges are appointed for life too, but their judges don't write laws form the bench

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:28 AM

Only Supreme Court justices, Seth.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:28 AM

first off, why is anyone appointed for life. like that makes no sense. they are no incentive to ever do any better because they will never lose their job? breading ground for corruption right there

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:28 AM

Agreed Rachel...it should be a road stop not free-parking.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:29 AM

Wish justices were appointed by a vote from other judges rather than partisan-hacks picked by the President, and only 8 years just like the Pres is limited to

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:29 AM

Yeah, JB - why do humans have such a problem with plumb center, which is where we should be aiming, anyway? It's a sign of immaturity to keep swinging to wither extreme.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:30 AM

Either extreme, i mean.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:30 AM

I mean assessments and evaluations and the threat of consequences is what keeps *everyone* doing their job... no one should be exempt from that

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:30 AM

I should be, Rachel. I'm high.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:31 AM

Again, Rebecca, it's social engineering designed by the politicos and carried-out by the mainstream media and even the netertainment venues these days.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:31 AM

Just wondering why Democratic congressman peacefully protesting immigration laws were carried off to the slammer while Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz and company were not arrested while breaking into govt property, causing damage and disturbing the peace?

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:31 AM

I agree Rebecca, it is insane to keep doing this dance when we hurt ourselves and our planet exponentially in the process and any good we do is soon off put by more illogical actions

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:31 AM

Where were all the anti-war demonstrators in Holywood when Obama wanted to bomb Syria?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:32 AM

You know I love you, Seth, but I stay on your ass about that; that right there is partisan thinking and it's what we're complaining about.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:32 AM

Rachel, I'm a teacher and I take umbrage at that notion. I mean, I see your point clearly, but threats and accountability and that nonsense can go too far, to the point that you can't even get any fucking work done for filling out the paperwork to sh

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:32 AM

It never came to anything Mano...it seems like it may've been good strategy on his part since Syria agreed to inspections and not one shot was fired

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:33 AM

My point remains, though; had a Rep Pres done that, Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, and all those cats would have been all over every media outlet, blasting him.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:33 AM

You know if Dick and Bush were in office we would already be in Syria with about 100,000 troops

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:33 AM

Obama's actually started more wars. And killed more people by drone attacks.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:33 AM

@Mano I often agree about Hollywood they all "appear" to be liberal or you know "for the good or the people" but they don't protest... if they did you know how much power that would give the people? but they are scared of losing their money maybe?

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:33 AM

Dick and Bush's idea of diplomacy was shot first ask questions later

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:34 AM

So, again, your dialogue is actually non-factual and partisan.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:34 AM

Oh they protest. Against Republican stuff. And I'm not saying they're always wrong, just that they're always Democratic and Politically Correct.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:35 AM

Yes, they are simply about money. If you find someone in Holywood who has integrity, please let me know.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:35 AM

Cuz I need an agent.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:35 AM

I can't speak on there behalf and I've my own issues with Obama but he didn't start more wars than Dubya

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:35 AM

Yes, he really has.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:35 AM

name them

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:36 AM

(continued) to show that you're getting work done.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:36 AM

What was the first one, Iraq? Afghanistan, now moving trops into Syria and Africa.

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:36 AM

Are you kidding?

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:36 AM

How many did Bush start? I didn't pay a lot of attention to his reign.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:36 AM

Iraq was Dick and Bush which Obama ended, Afghanistan was Dick and Bush which he is ending, Syria, we've not fired one shot in

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:37 AM

So to date he has started zero wars and ended one already

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:37 AM

@Rebecca yes no threats but consequences or assessments need to be in place not overwhelmingly but enough to make sure that the person is doing what they are supposed to be doing and those judges I'm sure don't get that

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:37 AM

Iraq, then... no, there were a lot of things leftover by the Bush admin that Obama has had to contend with but he's spent a LOT more on wars than Bush did.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

It's just facts, man. The two parties are the same; it's all about money, and that's that.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

@Mano John Cusack seems to have some integrity I like him

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

I'm glad that's settled.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

I don't believe he has...if the milk is already spilled you've to clean it up

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

It would've been good if he shutdown Guantanamo already though

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:38 AM

So long as corporations and billionaires are able to purchase politicians and laws, they will all always be the same.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:39 AM

You can get bi-polar in one of those Canadian sex clubs.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:39 AM

And also in Sweden.

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:39 AM

I wouldn't say that the parties are the same. Yes we've probably the most corrupt system of govt in the free-world, but the parties are definitely different and have very different agendas

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:39 AM

John Cusack is weird.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:40 AM

all the coolest people are weird

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:40 AM

The sad thing is we've only two political parties, just one more than communist Russia and one more than Iraq under Saddam

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:40 AM

Why must bombs be inevitable. I will never believe that.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:40 AM

Peace <3

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:41 AM

Nope, both of them are fascist agendas pushing oppression of the people in attempts to silence and pacify us. Both take money from corporations and have extended tax cuts for the rich and corporate welfare.

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks, Jordan & Paul! Sorry we couldn't add much to the discourse.

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:41 AM

Boner?

Rick RosnerOct 17, 2013, 2:41 AM

As I said.

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks Paul I think you are amazing and your work! Thank you so much for tawking with us! :)

Mano DogsOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM

I LOVE ALL YOU HOS!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM

Thanks Jordan! :)

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Good luck with your future endeavors Paul and goodnight everyone!

Rachel McDonnellOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM

night all

Rebecca Westbrook TokerOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM

Thanks!

Seth HochmanOct 17, 2013, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Time to shutdown...oops bad word

Kelly CarlinOct 22, 2013, 5:10 PM

Jordan and Paul. Wow. This was just fantastic.