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Sep 24, 2013

DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE

Eric Rosenthal · 5:00 PM

HAPPY DRAKE DAY!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:00 PM

Welcome to this Tawk™! From now on, nothing will be the same.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

Also, I object to your usage of "happy" and "Drake" in the same sentence.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

Much like the 2Chainz cookbook, there are rules you have to abide by to be able to properly listen to the album

Eric Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

Jeff, you wanna explain them?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

I mean, the only one I know is that you can't play it around others. Like, our upstairs neighbors were having a party and blasting nü Drake.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

Which sort-of goes against the whole thing. Who wants to have a melancholy party, etc.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

And with that said... I'm gonna play the album here

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

Cool.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

TUSCAN LEATHER

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

I DEFINITELY did not illegally download this album before today

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

Did you get your gift basket from the RIAA?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

As a thank-you?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

Lemme just say that I'm a Drake fan

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

and I'll tell you why

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

Great, I'm here.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

he gets so much crap from everyone for being sad and lonely and meme-worthy, but I feel like that's him and he owns it

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

it's like he's the most human rapper there is

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

and this is coming from Kanye's biggest fan

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

but I think Drake took it to a whle other level

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

Oh, totally. I saw him at Elliott's #CRWN, and I feel like he's the rapper I'd most want to hang out with.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

Very likable. Like, he's just a rap nerd gone famous.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

And he's dealing with that, in a very public way.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

beyond that though, it's like he's a complete person - no one is JUST HARD. or JUST SOFT.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

He has two sides to him (as we all do), but he expresses it on records

Eric Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

and if you can't claim both sides, you're only half the man Drake is

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

I'd agree with that. I like the idea of him being this anti-rapper, but my problem (and this is so nit-picky) is that he plays both sides up majorly.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

So, he'll be suuuuuuper soft and then - on songs with, say Rick Ross - he'll play up the drop-a-body tough talk.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

I suppose that's true

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

And I also think he has a lot of immature qualities.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

but why not be the best at being HARD and the best at being SOFT?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

Sidenote: I love the way 40 used the Whitney Houston sample in Tuscan Leather

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

Oh, I think he's great at it, but then the whole thing can read false. Which is it? Are you just living out emotional fantasies?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:09 PM

and I like how "nothing" or "nothing was the same" are mentioned mulitple times throughout the album in instrumental or lyrical form - makes it seem like a cohesive product

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:09 PM

Yea, I think the album's pretty great - and far more grown-up than Take Care.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

Hmmm... apparently I hit shuffle mode, so we're out of order already

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

Ugh, just forget it.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

now I'm sad

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

WELL WELL WELL

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

We're listening to Come Thru

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dave Benson

“I was mostly with Drake until he turned his bar mitzvah into a music video. I've seen lots of cheesy things done at Bar Mitzvahs (I'm from Long Island), but that was exceptional.”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

Hey Dave - funny story about that video...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

This is such a bummer. We were invited to Drake's HYFR video.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

We were invited day-of

Eric Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

which was like, oh, are you sending a G5 to get us to Miami?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

(we live in NYC)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

oh, you're not

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

Amazing video though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

also, I love the video for Started From the Bottom

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

Alright, so speaking of the CRWN event (again)

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

Drake said that all of these Jews come up to him on some "I'm Jewish too!" tip

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

like, he appreciates it?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

or he dislikes it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

I don't know. I think he thinks it's weird, like we sort-of do. Because it's not like he's JEWISH-Jewish, but because there's so few of "us"

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

then he's representative of that

Eric Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

He's definitely one of us

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

like, he's in our age range, has the same likes, knows what is cool

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

AND HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST RAPPER OUT RIGHT NOW

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

Unfortunately, he dresses like a not-cool person.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

and he smashed Rihanna

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

Yeah.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

He's on a good streak

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

I read that as "good steak" because I'm hungry right now.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

I loved hearing that he doesn't take himself too seriously

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

Yeah, he loves it when people make fun of him using Photoshop.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

THAT'S US

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

Which is all we do

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

So, I guess we're already friends?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

#Friends

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

There was a Q&A portion, and I was this-close to asking him his criteria for #NewFriends

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

ha ha ha ha

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

but I didn't want to fight off like, Drake's #SadGirl fans

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

when they had real questions to ask.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

long line?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

Nah, Jesse K was wandering around with a mic.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

B Dot asked a question, etc.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

doesn't it seem like forever ago when Started dropped?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

like it didn't seem like an official single for the album, in retrospect

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

Yea. It was pre-MCHG, pre-Yeezus...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

pre-Cole, pre-Wale...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

It was February! A whole different world.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

very much so

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

Pre-Kendrick's "Control" verse.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

and then the video came out

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

Pre-Sean. Pre-2 Chainz.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

it's been an impressive roll out actually

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

he's done a LOT of press these past two weeks

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Where do you think he went right where others didn't?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Because like, Big Sean got a lot of press.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Wale did, too, if I remember correctly.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

good question

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

and it's not like any of the other artists aren't true to themselves

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

cause I think they all are

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

but...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

Drake is the only one who sings too

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

Nah. Big Sean was singing on a couple of songs, I think, just not terribly well.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

listen though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

Drake said the other day that all-rap shows are boring

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

But sure, he's got that crossover (Hold On We're Going Home)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

Drake is more appealing with his messages

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

I think I got the title wrong. Wrong pronoun.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Matt Fastow

“I don't believe he doesn't take himself seriously. He has too much of a hard work ethic to let his craft be dismissed so often as "emotional" or reduced to memes”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Now Matt's making me sad

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Hey Matt! Yeah, but I think - and maybe this is because he's been in the spotlight so long? - that it doesn't affect him in the same way.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Or maybe it's because he's a "nice Canadian"?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

There's levels to this

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

I think you're right, Jeff

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

I think he lives in an alternate reality

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

where he can be both focuses and serious and not worry publicly about memes and jokes

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

as long as he can kinda control it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

Actually, I think the most relevant thing he said in re: this was that - when people criticize him or whatever - it's never about the music.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

right?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

He said that in some interview.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

that's true

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

I like this album a lot

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

I think if people were like, "NWTS is actually terrible," that would affect him far more.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

I think if Rolling Stone gave him 3 stars, if XXL and whoever else did the same...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

I agree with that

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

He'd be asking himself a lot more questions.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

And lashing out.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

and to that point, he is Kanye's kin

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

Okay, so here's the thing

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

know what was cool?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

he and Kanye are both "emotional"

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

I liked Drake saying that Kanye is his only competition

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

but Kanye's emotions lean toward anger

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

it was similar to when Kanye said that Dream was his only competition

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

which makes them more "masculine"

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

and so people are fine with that. but because Drake is addressing "feminine" emotions (which aren't really feminine!) then people have a problem with them.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

Um...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

Jeff...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

what a world you live in

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

where Kanye is accepted

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

and deemed masculine

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

Yeah, you're right.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

Ugh, everyone is stupid.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

lemme just mention the worst line on NWTS

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

Do it!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

"we're not in Kansas anymore"

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

TERRIBLE

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

off off 305 to My City

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

Stop the track, throw the tape out the car window.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

I like so much of the album a lot

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

it's certainly something that needs to be listened to in a sitting

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

but that one line KILLS me

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

it takes me out of the scene

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

Like when Rich Homie Quan talks about Queen Latifah

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

and where is someone to tell him this is not a good thing to include on the album?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

oh right, NO NEW FRIENDS to do that

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

And it's like, am I really singing about "Living Single"?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

I bet Drake's friends are comfortable telling him no to things. I wonder if he argued hard for that one, though.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

I can't even begin to think about how that conversation went

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

"IT'S CLEVER. IT'S A REALLY CLEVER LINE. AMERICANS LOVE THAT MOVIE."

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

ha ha ha ha ha

Eric Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

We're listening to Wu-Tang Forever right now

Eric Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

which samples "It's Yours"

Eric Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

as does Own It

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

I'm interested in the new Wu Tang/Drake collaboration that's coming out, which feels like a weird thing to say.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

which I was thrilled to figure out was about Rihanna when I listened carefully last week on a long walk

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

it's CLEARLY about her

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

and then she tweeted something about it

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

and 40's manager at'd her with "Own It"

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

Eric, you're part of the NAVY. Congratulations!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

ha ha

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

here's my thing though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

at first I was like, YES, I love how Drake it talking about his real life in another song

Eric Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

and this huge thing - the bottle fight at WIP against Chris Brown - is brought up

Eric Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

and he says that he wishes Rih Rih would have reached out to him about it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

I think it's weird that he's comfortable naming everyone else in his songs, but not her.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

Even though it's so clearly her.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

but then it turned into more about how he wants her back

Eric Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

and I really want him to move on

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

because I feel like she's keeping him on this strange leash

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

But what about him? Why can't he move on?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

It's not like he doesn't have opportunities.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

good question

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

I want him to move on

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

@Drake: move on.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

cause he can he emotional all he wants

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

but I don't want him to be a sucker

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

Um.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

He is a sucker.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

and I think there's a difference

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

Because of her.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

She's a praying mantis of a woman.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

this makes me sad

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

This is a cool reference:

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

but remember how J-WOWW would say (in the credits to Jersey Shore) that she'd have sex with a guy and then rip his head off?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

That's her. That's Rihanna.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

which makes Drake...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

I'm going to go find a bridge to walk off of.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

I mean, if we're gonna go in, let's go in. Who are the Jersey Shore cast members of the rap world

Eric Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

as we listen to Hold On, We're Going Home

Eric Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

which I feel is a few BPMs slow for the Jersey Shorers

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

Drake is Vinny. Kanye is...Ronnie? But then who's Sammi Sweetheart?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

How about...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

Gucci and Waka are Ronnie/Sammie.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

ha ha ha ha

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

That seems more appropriate.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

Drake is Vinny, still.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

Who is Snooki?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

I was going to say Gucci again.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

Ugh, this is hard.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

The biggest mistake Warner Bros. made with Gucci was not to have a camera crew with him all the time

Eric Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

or have him in a house with seven strangers

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

Eesh. Anyway, back to Drake.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

Does he sell a million records this week, or are those days over?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

Now we're listening to Too Much

Eric Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

Which is not the same as the DMB song

Eric Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

anyway, sales

Eric Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

I don't think he'll sell 1 mil

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

those days are behind us

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

too many people won't buy it because they can get it for free

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

which is a shame

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

but

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

sidenote:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

I love the Bun B reference on Too Much

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Well, wait: in 2008 or 9, Lil Wayne sold a million records, and that was in the deepest part of the recession.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

it's not a recession thing

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

And his album had been leaked.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

I think people are content with getting content for free

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

and not supporting the art in the end

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Gotcha. I just can't gauge how big he is.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

but you cant take away live performances

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Like, he's on Ellen.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

so that's where Drake'll make a lot of money

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

I just get the feeling that he does 800,000. Which is still huge!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

Well...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

is it a failure if he does 500,000?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

I think that's a good number

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

in this day and age

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

That's what he asked. I think that'd be real low for him, to be honest.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

who asked?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

Drake.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

(Elliott asked if he really expected to sell a million; Drake said he didn't really want to talk about it because "is half a million a failure?")

Eric Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

hmm

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

He's got two Top 10 hits.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

On the real Billboard charts.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

I don't think it's a failure

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

500,000 for Drake?! He sold 631 his last go round.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Or something.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Listening to Connect right now

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Did he?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Yeah

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

hmm

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Well then let's go for one mil!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

If he sells 500,000, Drake goes on a murderous rampage.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

that would be emotional

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Weepy Drake Kills Dozens

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Offers Nice Eulogies

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Lotta people have been comparing Drake to the Fresh Prince lately (including Drake)

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

He did say he's getting back into acting

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Can you see him returning to acting on a big picture?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

well there ya go

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Although his last acting gig, I believe, was as a ferrett or something

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

in Ice Age 6

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Anchorman 2

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

or whichever one we're on

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Oh, true.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

But as a leading man?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Does he do a rom-com?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Leading Ferret

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Yeah, I'd more believe that than a killer

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

I don't want him to go the Common route

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

or the TI route

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

or the Bow Wow route

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Drake & Queen Latifah starring in a movie where she's his basketball coach

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

and Common's his dad

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

yelling at him from the bench

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

What do you think Bow Wow thinks when Drake comes into 106 & Park and just stunts?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

and Bow has to play host

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

"Can you talk to Wayne for me?"

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

damn

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

how about this:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Drake is succeeding in spite of, and not due to, his affiliation with YMCMB

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

he still claims them

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Oh, totally.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

sure

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

but he has his own thing

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

OVO stands on its onw

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

own

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Well, Wayne did give him a leg-up.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

absolutely

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

I was thinking about this the other day though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

but like, Dream Chasers Records will never be bigger than MMG

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

right?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

That like, Thank God he's not doing those YMCMB records anymore.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Like Nicki doesn't fit on this record

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

No more records with Gudda-Gudda, Chuckee, Nicki, Wayne, Jae Millz, Birdman and like three more

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

nor does Wayne

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Talking about staying up past curfew

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

well, Birdman is on there

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

on the Kanguage

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

No, of course

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Language

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Kanguage is TI's remix

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

and he's a star on there

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

or should be

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

ha ha

Eric Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

AND THAT'S WORD TO STUNNA

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

I just mean, like, he's lucky to be done with those obligations

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

because even Wale still has to do Omarion's records

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

And Stalley records

Eric Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

Let me put this into the atmosphere:

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

And Rockie Fresh

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

(UNRELATED: I LOVE ROCKIE FRESH'S NEW SONG WITH HIT-BOY)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

A longread about what's happened to Baby and Diddy as rappers since they rapped together on "Do That" off of the Birdman album

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

Hm.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

I want to read a long piece about their ghostwriters.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

good point

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

And how their voices have changed based on who's doing the writing.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I also really like Pound Cake / Paris Morton Music

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I wonder if anyone would talk. Probably not.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

Timbaland can voice scratch better than more DJs can actually scratch

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I've heard a lot of people say they don't like Jay's verse.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I like it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

What are your thoughts on that?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

I like it

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

I like Jay naming everyone he made millions

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

#factsonly

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

Someone asked me to write a thing about how "Jay ruins the songs he's asked to guest now."

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

Like, a publication asked me.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

oh please

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

Jay is still Jay

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

and it's a blessing to have him on a track

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

it's not embarrassing

Eric Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

anyone who argues that is trolling

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

Do we give Jay a pass because of his past?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

I like this verse

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

(I don't think it's a bad verse.)

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

I'm just asking.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

It's hard to discount his past

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

Like, if anyone else rapped this verse, would it be as good? I don't know. Because if any other rapper did the verse he's doing, then it'd be...false.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

I'm not entirely with that

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

And there is something fun about hearing Jay say CAKE, CAKECAKECAKE because he's so above it all.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

It's a little embarrassing for him to keep saying "trill" and whatever just because kids say it though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

NO!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

he's saying it because it's a talking point

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

I really don't buy into the idea that he's stealing from the kids

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

I think he has every right to mention trill

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

and have it play off of the Kanye line

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

Yeah, because he's trying to stay relevant

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

I so disagree

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

But you don't have to prove relevancy through the use of a buzzword.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

Jay is not trying to stay relevant

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

Jay is still a trendsetter

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

Jesus Christ. How?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

see: getting a major corporation to pay for his first million copies of his album

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

Well, sure.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

But lyrically?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

and

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

hold on

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

you wanna talk about relevance

Eric Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

name me another rapper his age that has done anything at his age ANYWHERE close to where's he's at

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

I mean, he's relevant of course. But that's exactly my point: he doesn't need to say things like "trill" and "Tumblr" and "twerk" and etc.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

you're completely getting it wrong though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

you think he's trying to be "cool dad" with it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

Yes.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

when I bet that's the furthest thing from his mind

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

I think that he's so comfortable with himself that he feels he can speak on anything

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

and if he chooses to speak on those things, he's allowed

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

Yes, but he comes across as cool dad.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ARGUMENT

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

I don't think he has the intent of being the cool dad

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

I think he comes across as one.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

you just said that!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

you just said that he's begging for the attention by using the words

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

and trying to be relevant

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

scroll up!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

We've gone too deep into something that I don't think people care about.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

Back to Drake.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

I like this album

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

Drake is being himself

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

Were you disappointed in any way that he didn't rap more?

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

not really

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

Me neither.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

maybe initially I was

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

but I'm pleased with what he's presented

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

I think the Wu Tang Forever thing was confusing to me at first.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

because it's not about me

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

he's an artist and he's presented this

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

But, again, this is a rap nerd.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

The more I listen to this, the more pleased I am with it

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Yea, it's a grower.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

same thing happened with Take Care, for me

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Not a show-er.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

I don't trust albums that you love on first album

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

sorry: first listen.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

and by the way, he raps extremely well on this record

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I'm not sure I agree with that first listen thing

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

#Classic albums are complicated.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I loved Graduation on first listen

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I was blown away by College Dropout after the first listen

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

same with Blueprint 1

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

Yeah, I guess that's true. (Aside from BP1 for me.) I think those are such rare occasions though.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

Then again, so are classics.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

and Black Album first listen was tremendous

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

shrug

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

I could be wrong.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

anyway

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

last thoughts on Drake

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

or NWTS

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I think this year was his for the taking - because every other rapper went too far left or not left enough. And - while Yeezus is still probably my favorite album of the year - I think this is a close second.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

And where I wasn't a Drake fan before, this past week, I've gone back and listened more...and I'm happy to say I was late on him. I get it.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I think it's so easy to make fun of Drake's emotions and "sadness" etc. I'm glad the music can stand up on its own. In terms of listanability, I'm not sure Yeezus stands the test of time

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

This album may be more comfortable to listen to, sure

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

but as for a cohesive, interesting piece of music

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

Does anyone have any questions or comments, btw?

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

I think it's stronger than anything else this year

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

For me:

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

off the top of my head...

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

for albums this year

Eric Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

Drake > Kanye > Cole > Wale > Sean

Eric Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

I have yet to listen to Kendrick all the way through

Eric Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

same with Pusha

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

Kanye > Drake > Jay > the others

Eric Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

I forgot Jay's

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

my mistake

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

Kendrick didn't come out this year, but it's good. I liked his mixtapes better, but whatever.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

I think it stands up way more than Cole/Sean/Wale.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

A$AP.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

Whatever else.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

in any event

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

2 Chainz.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

HAPPY DRAKE DAY, EVERYONE

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

!!!!!!!

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

I'm Eric

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

I'm Jeff.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

Thanks for wasting time with us.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

we'll see you next time!

Forum · 13

Forum· 13 comments

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Tom LorenzoSep 24, 2013, 5:05 PM

I feel like most people can't explain why it is they like Drake, so I appreciate the explanation

Dave BensonSep 24, 2013, 5:09 PM★ Spotlighted

I was mostly with Drake until he turned his bar mitzvah into a music video. I've seen lots of cheesy things done at Bar Mitzvahs (I'm from Long Island), but that was exceptional.

Hugh LSep 24, 2013, 5:15 PM

drake school of degrassi

Guy MichanSep 24, 2013, 5:15 PM

Have we seen a rapper more relatable since 2000 Eminem?

Hugh LSep 24, 2013, 5:16 PM

graduates of the same class.

Matt FastowSep 24, 2013, 5:16 PM★ Spotlighted

I don't believe he doesn't take himself seriously. He has too much of a hard work ethic to let his craft be dismissed so often as "emotional" or reduced to memes

rumege me Sep 24, 2013, 5:18 PM

Do you guys think it was the proper time in Drake's career to have a baby album cover?

Hugh LSep 24, 2013, 5:21 PM

where does ja rule play into this?

Guy MichanSep 24, 2013, 5:22 PM

brb the hold on video just dropped

rumege me Sep 24, 2013, 5:28 PM

'we're not in kansas anyyyymore'

rumege me Sep 24, 2013, 5:29 PM

'ha like that movie!'

keshaun maloneApr 16, 2014, 11:19 PM

I think drake is great artist. Why does everyone go at him?

Taylor SwiftAug 26, 2014, 11:13 PM

Tom; I can't explain why most people dislike Drake, so where the appreciation of the explanation?