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Oct 29, 2013

The Legacy of 50 Cent.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:00 PM

Oh hey

Eric Rosenthal · 5:00 PM

This is our first Tawk on the road

Eric Rosenthal · 5:00 PM

we're down in Washington, DC

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

Today, we'll be talking about 50 Cent's legacy.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

We have not seen Wale yet

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

I feel like people were...patiently waiting.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

Thank you.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

ha ha ha

Eric Rosenthal · 5:01 PM

This Tawk topic didn't come up because 50 Cent was just put on 3 years probation

Eric Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

it was sorta coincidental

Eric Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

but shouts to 50, in any event

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

Well, first of all, what is his legacy?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:02 PM

50 Cent burned bright and burned fast

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

it's amazing what he did with his first album

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

everyone wants to talk about Jay Z being a crossover artist

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

or Will Smith before him

Eric Rosenthal · 5:03 PM

but really...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

50 was shot 9 times, and our mom was reading pieces about him in Newsweek (a magazine, for those young fans) and reporting back to us, with great interest

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

he had a compelling story

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

he had true street cred

Eric Rosenthal · 5:04 PM

and he became HUGE

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

I don't see the comparison between any of those three people you just named. He had a great story, yes.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

But just because he was shot 9 times doesn't mean that he's a great artist.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

hold on

Eric Rosenthal · 5:05 PM

His crossover was the point

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

He sold millions and millions of albums and became a household name

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

and he was a rapper

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

lest you forget

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

So you're just saying he was popular. Great.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

Listen

Eric Rosenthal · 5:06 PM

50 Cent was the first guy to become mega-successful for being the bad guy

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

I don't know that's true, either. But I'll give 50 this: he was a phenomenon, where not even Will/Jay were.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

He was the first rapper of the TRL era to really capture that spirit.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

Well, aside from Eminem.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

I think 50 came after TRL

Eric Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

but

Eric Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

tell me he wasn't the bad guy

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

He was the bad guy!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:07 PM

I don't disagree on that.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

But he was also the good guy, not entirely dissimilar from Ja Rule (who he absolutely buried).

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

He buried him by becoming him.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

I think that 50 Cent made a name off making bad seem good

Eric Rosenthal · 5:08 PM

bad became cool

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:09 PM

(That being said, "21 Questions" was bad, as in terrible.)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:09 PM

Jeff

Eric Rosenthal · 5:09 PM

the point of it all

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

50's main storyline was that he was the bad guy.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

There was never a bad guy who reached the heights he reached, in rap

Eric Rosenthal · 5:10 PM

and that is his legacy

Eric Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

What do you think his legacy was

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:11 PM

Alright, this is coming from someone who stanned out for him when he first came out. But I think he'll go down as the guy who brought down New York hip-hop and hastened the rise of the South.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

That's not a bad point, but I think there's more to him than that

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

After he went after Ja Rule, then he went after seemingly everyone in New York: Jadakiss and Fat Joe, Nas, Cam'ron...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

I could go on and on.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

This is true

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

And then no one was left.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:12 PM

But

Eric Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

Each of those artists contributed to their own demise

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

Yeah, I think a lot of them were on the downturn, sure.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

And Rick Ross (who was at his absolute lowest) couldn't even be done in by 50, because he started making good music.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:13 PM

Right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

But that's because there was this vacuum where NYC hip-hop once was.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

There was a while when 50 Cent was everything

Eric Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

he was Eminem's disciple

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

I wonder how things would've turned out had 50 stopped with Ja.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:14 PM

And Game.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

He made incredible records

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

And if he started to play nice with everyone else.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

Are we playing Rapper Fan Fiction now??

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

Well...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

But maybe that's his whole character: that he COULDN'T be nice to anyone.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

I'd like 50 to be married to Vivica A. Fox

Eric Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

I'd like 50 to have not made his second album

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:15 PM

I bet Vivica would, too!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

You know what's not 50's legacy?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

Acting, I imagine?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

ha ha ha

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

I was gonna sat as label president

Eric Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

say

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:16 PM

How was that movie with Liam Neeson oh wait no one saw it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

How was that movie with some other Russian actor oh wait no one saw it

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

I bet 50 laments Blockbuster's demise. His movies would've had a happy home there.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:17 PM

truth be told though, I'm not sure there's an active rapper who's gone into acting and been good at both on the other side

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

LL Cool J hasn't...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Saigon hasn't...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Ja Rule hasn't...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Luda hasn't

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

Bow Wow hasn't

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“NELLY HAS”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

NELLY HAS NOT

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

POINT: ERIC

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:18 PM

(Jake happens to be a huge Nelly fan.)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

Acting is not a second chance, but more a last chance

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

for most

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

I wonder how Drake will do. But anyway.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hershal Pandya

“Does Ice Cube count? He didn't become a bad rapper so much as an irrelevant one...”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

Good point, Hershal

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

POINT: HERSHAL

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

still though

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

(Ice Cube's new song is vvv bad, btw)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:19 PM

50's career goes:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

1. Rapper

Eric Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

2. Businessman

Eric Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

3. Actor

Eric Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

4. Friend

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

Ha!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

I'd qualify most of those.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

1. Great rapper!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:20 PM

2. Aggressively mediocre rapper.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Aggressively mediocre??

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Jeff

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Yup!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

explain

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

Think about things 30 years from now

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

They're gonna remember his first album

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

After the success of GRODT, he more than any other rapper has tried to recreate that to a failing degree.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:21 PM

and they'll remember his fight with Ja Rule

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

I am not disputing how great GRODT is!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

It is great!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

50 went from really great to aggressively mediocre after the release of that, though.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hershal Pandya

“I think part of 50's Legacy has to be the huge emphasis that was placed on record sales because of him. I feel like it existed before him, but not to the same extent”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

I'm not a comic book guy or anything

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:22 PM

Totally.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

but I think that 50 needed an enemy to fight with

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

and after he vanquished his enemies, he didn't know how to move forward

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

After Kanye, who was there?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

Right.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

Like, he tried with Ye

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

He tried with Jay

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

He tried with Wayne

Eric Rosenthal · 5:23 PM

but none really stuck

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

What about Ross, though?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

and thus, his bad guy role didn't hold up

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

Ross picked the fight with 50

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

The problem is that none of these guys responded.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

Everyone learned from everyone else's mistakes.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:24 PM

It's funny: 50 was the biggest, baddest guy

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

and then Ross came in with questionable street cred

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

and certainly a false story of his own

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

and 50 didn't last

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Would you guys say 50 is strictly a Beef rapper?”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

I wouldn't.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:25 PM

Jake - 100% I would

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

I feel like his biggest records (In Da Club, 21 Questions, the one with Justin Timberlake, a bunch of others)

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

weren't beef-related at all.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

The guy knows how to freak a melody.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

The problem is that he only knew one marketing plan.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

Right

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

I'd go along with that

Eric Rosenthal · 5:26 PM

but I think he ran out of gas once his enemies dried up

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

and remember, he gave a lot of hits to Game

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

I'll say it again: 50 burned bright and burned fast

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

Like, Piggy Bank is a good idea -- but because it's not a great song, it doesn't last.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

Like, he may be still selling tickets across the globe, and still sitting pretty on top of loads of money, but he's not relevant

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

And the problem was that all of beefs, after a while, became really...gimmicky.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“I agree with Eric”

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

Point - Jake

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

Lemme ask you this:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

If you were 50 Cent - seemingly without a label, a team, or friends...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:28 PM

how would you go forward with the next chapter?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

you get to play Rap God

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

Okay.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

If he's going to rap (and I'm not sure why he has to or would want to, because he has so much Vita-money)

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:29 PM

But if he's going to:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

I thought you meant the former Murder Inc rapstress

Eric Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

but go on

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:30 PM

Vita-money, as in Vitamin Water money

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

I think he needs to find good street records and do remixes on them. Like, I think he would've been good on Action Bronson's "Strictly 4 My Jeeps" remix, with Lloyd Banks and LL Cool J.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

And build up buzz from there, to the point where people want to hear him again.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

I think he needs to start slow and then hit big.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:31 PM

But he's got to put a lot of work in, and I don't know that he would.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

Or should!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

I totally agree!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

I'd say this

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

as to why he would want to do something

Eric Rosenthal · 5:32 PM

because in today's day and age, rappers want their legacy to be solidified

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

but because things move so fast, they're often not in control of how they're remembered

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

and I think 50 is a person who wants to be relevant

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

I love all the points you made

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

and to add to that...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

I agree with that. I think he's so blindingly hyper-competitive.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

I think that he should show that he's really a NYC guy

Eric Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

I think he needs to win back the city first

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Nelly had an interesting point (relevant) on The Breakfast Club a few weeks ago.. he said the older dudes just have to survive, and win the war in the long run”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

JAKE. ENOUGH ABOUT NELLY. WE GET IT YOU'RE A FAN.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Now, how many pieces of G-Unit clothing/shoes did you guys own?”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

I don't think I had any. I had the S. Carter shoes...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

right

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

Here's a question:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

do you think the man made the G-Unit clothes, or the G-unit clothes made the man, so to speak?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:34 PM

(the man being 50 Cent)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

cause what if 50 were to bring back the label and make it hot again?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

would he have to be a relevant rapper?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

Or could it live on its own?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:35 PM

Yes. I don't think 50's got the cult of personality anymore.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

I think the clothing label's dead until he becomes hot again.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hershal Pandya

“It could not live on it's own. Particularly the way streetwear looks these days. I don't really see 50 endorsing a g-unit floral print buttondown”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

Right, and that's the other thing:

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:36 PM

Everyone's so "fashion" obsessed, and G-Unit's brand was very mall-friendly.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

It wasn't meant to look cool; it was meant to spread wide.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:37 PM

Macy's, Caldor's; those were the places to find G-Unit.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

Not like, the Lower East Side and Fairfax, where everyone wants to be these days. (Well, in 2011.)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

Okay, let's continue to plot his comeback

Eric Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

Is it impossible for him to relaunch his rap career?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

No!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:38 PM

Absolutely not.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Especially with nostalgia the way it is.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Is it impossible for him to make G-Unit hot again?\

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Hm. I think that's the tougher sell.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

I'm talking about NEW stuff though

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

new songs

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Right.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

younger artists

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Hm. I dunno. 50 doesn't have the best A&R-ing anymore.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:39 PM

Thought 2Pac Was The 1st Successful Bad Guy In Rap

Eric Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

Fair point, Incrediboi

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

Yeah, see, I should've argued up against that point more, before.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

I just didn't agree with it.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

If I were 50 Cent, I'd restart my career with nostalgia, like Jeff said

Eric Rosenthal · 5:40 PM

but try to build his label up again organically with NY rappers

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

not these kids from around the country or world

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

because at his heart he's Queens

Eric Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

he just became international

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

I think he's got to develop a new "New York" sound, which needs to sound like the old "New York" sound but not exactly so.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:41 PM

Because people want more rhythmic stuff now. It's been a long decade.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

If I were 50, I'd do free shows around the city

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

That too.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

He's got to build relationships, I think.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

and not sit up on his high perch

Eric Rosenthal · 5:42 PM

yeah, although he'd be smart to just do it without a label

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

there's no benefit right now of him being with a label, right?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

Totally. He doesn't need it, he already gets tour money.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

why not be his own boss

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

But 50's problem is he has a tin ear nowadays:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

YES

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

He doesn't know good beats; he doesn't know good artists.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

You know who 50 needs?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:43 PM

He needs Sha Money XL again

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Yeah, amazing the power of a good A&R.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Sha has had success with KRIT and 2 Chainz and Yo Gotti since he parted ways with 50

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Sha's over at Epic now?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

now...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

could you imagine Sha getting 50 some great southern beats?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

spitting NYC stuff over southern beats?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:44 PM

Right, but unfortunately, Sha wouldn't be able to work with him

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

maybe as his next move

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Not until his contract's up.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

right

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

He just made this move, ha!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

okay, let's do some quickfire

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

You make it sound like drugs.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:45 PM

Categorize the following as either 50's Success or 50's Failure

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

ready?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

Always.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

"Categorize the following as either 50's Success or 50's Failure" is my middle name.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

GRODT

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

Success. C'mon.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

The Massacre

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

Failure.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

G-Unit

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:46 PM

Success.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

The Massacre Wasn't a Failure

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

It was, in that it basically set in stone that this guy only had one formula.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Tony Yayo

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Success. I like Yayo.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Lloyd Banks

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Success. I like Banks.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:47 PM

Mobb Deep's G-Unit tattoos

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Riling up Beanie Sigel to get at Jay

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Sigh.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Olivia

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:48 PM

Success. Without 50, she wouldn't be on Love & Hip-Hop.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

Street King energy syrup or whatever that is

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

And she wouldn't have been the "is that Olivia?" at Summer Jam, when Dipset brought her out.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

Okay, before I malign SK:

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

It's for charity, right?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

I think some of it was

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

I think a large portion goes to charity.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

And so like, even though it's probably gasoline in a 5-hour-energy bottle...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

I can't hate on that.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:49 PM

agreed

Eric Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

Young Buck

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

It pains me to say this, but failure, I think.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

and lastly: Game

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

I loved Young Buck, for the record.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:50 PM

But like...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

That ended on such a sour note and with such little fanfare.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I Believe Young Buck Were One Of G-Unit's Highlights...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I agree.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

I think when we talk about 50, we have to remember that his level of success was so ridiculously high

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

Game isn't a failure, but aside from maybe DJ Skee, I don't know who still cares about him.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:51 PM

Maybe like, Tyga's dad or something.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

I think that 50 has had so many wins

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

His Debut Album And The Chronic Mixtape Were Dope Pieces Of Work For Buck

Eric Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

in a pretty short amount of time too

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:52 PM

Yeah, but where is Buck now? Where is Lil Scrappy?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

I hope we don't forget 50's wins

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

I don't think anyone will: there's gotta be a Complex list for every GRODT song.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

And the anniversaries, etc.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hershal Pandya

“Didn't 50 cent refuse to sign Danny Brown at one point cause he dressed weird? Not relevant to the current discussion but just a thought nonetheless”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

Like I said: TIN EAR.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:53 PM

even though "In Da Club" has been replaced by 2 Chainz' "Birthday Song" as the celebratory ode du jour

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

I bet if you move far enough into the middle of the country, 50 Cent > 2 Chainz.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

you think so?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

Without a doubt.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

You know what?

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

What?

Eric Rosenthal · 5:54 PM

Actually Overseas ... In The Club > Birthday Song

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

!!!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:55 PM

point - Incrediboi

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

I think that the idea of 50 - his bad guy storyline, the way he speaks, the fights with other rappers - overshadows his actual work for most of the country

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

I think too many folks think of the idea of 50 Cent

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

or worse:

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

FITTY CENT

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

BAAAAAAAAAA

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

which we hate

Eric Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

and that's so unfair

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:56 PM

But let's be real: 50 Cent is very much beloved off the Rap Internet.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

yes

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

Like, we're living in a world where people always say Cam'ron's the best rapper.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

Which is almost diametrically opposed to the rest of the world.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:57 PM

right

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

I'd venture to say that Cam is not 50's favorite artist

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

No.

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

But that'd be a weird/interesting collaboration!

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

Interestingly enough, Cam's second career IS as an actor

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

YOU DON'T THINK...

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

NO...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

and it's on his own terms

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

THIS GOES STRAIGHT TO THE TOP!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

(My joke is they're the same person.)

Eric Rosenthal · 5:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hershal Pandya

“Very true...on the internet, Chance The Rapper is already a star...in real life, no one knows him”

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

Right. And I like Chance very much!

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

But no one knows him.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

Okay, so to wrap up...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

before we decide 50's legacy...

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

Let's fix 50 in 3 easy steps

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

1. Get on remixes of great NYC rap songs.

Eric Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

YES

Jeff Rosenthal · 5:59 PM

(Although that requires finding great NYC rap songs)

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

2. Play free shows around NYC.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

YES

Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“3. Petition to join A$AP Mob”

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

3. Stop sleeping with Chelsea La--petition to join A$AP Mob.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Jake, he'd be A$AP Grandpa

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

I will say, at least 50's back in shape.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Is Anyone REALLY Looking Forward To a Kid Kid Project Tho????

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Instead of "I want to look like a cancer patient for this movie no one will see"

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Incrediboi - NO

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

How do I boot Incrediboi?

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

JKJKJKJKJK

Eric Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

oh also:

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

NOTJK

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

4. 50 needs to live in NYC again

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I think that's really important

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

Eh.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I mean, it is.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

cause there's only so much living you can do from his Connecticut house

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I agree.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

But.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

I just don't know if he would or if it matters.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

Actually, lemme ask this...

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

and be honest

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

#honest

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

#future

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

1 of 2...

Eric Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

if it were even remotely possible...

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

I'm so nervous.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

how much would you pay for a ticket to a 50 Cent -Ja Rule concert

Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

and how much would you charge, as promoter?

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

Wow.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I think promoters would charge $60-100.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

And I think I would pay (?)

Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Emily .

“I would pay no more than $40. However, I recently paid $24 for an Aaron Carter ticket, so..”

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I can't figure out if that's low or high.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

point - Emily

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

But re: 60-100

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

This is something that would clearly only happen once.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

I doubt it'd be a long tour.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

yeah, 1 concert

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

at first...

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

Are YOU promoting it?

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

One Time Only @ MSG? That'll Probably Sell Out Quick

Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

Also, at this point, is it weird that I'm more excited about Ja Rule than 50?

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

I think the two of them together would be exciting

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

Well, yea.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

anyway

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

his legacy:

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

in a sentence

Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

wanna go first?

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

50 Cent got so far ahead of everyone that it was crazy when he started to get lapped.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

that's pretty good

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

Unfortunately, it wasn't that crazy.

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

It felt expected, to be honest.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

I'd say, The Bad Guy won... for a little while.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“50's legacy in a sentence: Aftermath gave him the world, and failure to adapt led to his demise.”

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

Sure!

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

"Had a Spark When U Started But Now U're Just Garbage"? ....Ouch

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

DAMN, HOMIE.

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

WOW

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

IN 2003, YOU WAS THE MAN HOMIE

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU?

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

YES

Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

on that note!

Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Get Wale to sign a Nationals hat”

Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

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Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:18 PM

Was that dramatic weight loss for that one movie nobody saw, real?

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:18 PM★ Spotlighted

NELLY HAS

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:19 PM

What about Jin?

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Does Ice Cube count? He didn't become a bad rapper so much as an irrelevant one...

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:20 PM

"And please don't get it twisted I ain't Hollywood yetnI just jumped in that movie to get a big ass check" -Luda

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:20 PM

Don't forget about Cam'ron...

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:21 PM

People still call him Rico

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:21 PM★ Spotlighted

I think part of 50's Legacy has to be the huge emphasis that was placed on record sales because of him. I feel like it existed before him, but not to the same extent

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:24 PM

It's crazy to think about how he became irrelevant. He was on top of the world for a few years. Now it seems like he stays out of the spotlight, but still makes tons of money.

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:24 PM★ Spotlighted

Would you guys say 50 is strictly a Beef rapper?

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:25 PM

I feel like the majority of his songs have to do with some sort of Beef...

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:26 PM

Those were the exceptions, I guess

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:27 PM

and Game is STILL putting out mixtapes like a motherfucker

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:27 PM★ Spotlighted

I agree with Eric

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Now, how many pieces of G-Unit clothing/shoes did you guys own?

Emily .Oct 29, 2013, 5:29 PM

Jake had a bunch.

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:29 PM

Not by continuing the whole "Street King" movement. That's for sure...

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:32 PM

Doin the street mix thing wont really get him anywhere - everyone is interested in the new 'up and coming' artists. He should sign/work with Rizzle Kicks - that would be somethin. Get that UK money

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:33 PM★ Spotlighted

Nelly had an interesting point (relevant) on The Breakfast Club a few weeks ago.. he said the older dudes just have to survive, and win the war in the long run

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:35 PM

Well, Marc Ecko made the clothes. So the clothes made the man, re: 50

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:36 PM★ Spotlighted

It could not live on it's own. Particularly the way streetwear looks these days. I don't really see 50 endorsing a g-unit floral print buttondown

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:37 PM

Fashion is cyclical... G-Unit clothing could very well be popular again. He might have to stray from Ecko though

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:37 PM

Do you think 50 could have success playing the flo-rida role? Wasn't his last big hit that song with Jeremih? I honestly can't think of any past that...

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:39 PM

Ecko and LRG seem pretty dead to me - he would need to collaborate with something more sustainable, like Nike or get his own line like Adam Levine and Mark Anthony (Lol)

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:39 PM

It's not impossible. He could collaborate with Mayer Hawthorne or something and take on JT/Jay Z

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:39 PM

he needs to take a different route, that is for sure

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:41 PM

I wonder how many times he has been/will be featured on Detox

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:42 PM

He could just retire comfortably and start a career as a Khaled

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:44 PM

A$AP 50

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:46 PM

Success

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:46 PM

Meh

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:46 PM

Success

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:47 PM

The massacre had one of the best track titles of all time in "Gatman and robin"

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:48 PM

Lloyd Banks is the best in G-Unit

Emily .Oct 29, 2013, 5:48 PM

I would like to mention that 50's dog tweeted "and he always plays his music too loud. dont nobody wanna hear that shit! he aint made a classic since get rich or die tryin" in Sept 2010.

Emily .Oct 29, 2013, 5:48 PM

50 seems self aware of his success and failures

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:48 PM

Who?

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:49 PM

Joan Rivers is addicted to it, so Success

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:52 PM

Game is clearly the best of all of them - but he was only a temporary member.

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:52 PM

Lol, Lil' Scrappy...

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:53 PM★ Spotlighted

Didn't 50 cent refuse to sign Danny Brown at one point cause he dressed weird? Not relevant to the current discussion but just a thought nonetheless

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:53 PM

He is a success overall - isn't he a part of Floyd Maywether's camp?

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 5:58 PM★ Spotlighted

Very true...on the internet, Chance The Rapper is already a star...in real life, no one knows him

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:59 PM

I think everyone knows him

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:59 PM

have you been on r/hiphopheads?

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:59 PM

and he was on 106 last night

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 5:59 PM

re: Chance

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:00 PM★ Spotlighted

3. Petition to join A$AP Mob

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:04 PM

$25

Hershal PandyaOct 29, 2013, 6:04 PM

No point in 50 moving back to New York. Papoose still has it in the palm of his hands...LOLOL (any excuse to make a papoose joke, really)

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:05 PM

In NYC, maybe

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:05 PM

$30 is usually the highest out here

Emily .Oct 29, 2013, 6:05 PM★ Spotlighted

I would pay no more than $40. However, I recently paid $24 for an Aaron Carter ticket, so..

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:05 PM

for a club show

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:06 PM

Sundance gets that pricey

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:06 PM

Shit, they charged $60 to see Nelly a few years ago at Sundance. And $65 for Lil John

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:07 PM

Yes, it is.

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:07 PM

I hope he is in Fast 7

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:09 PM★ Spotlighted

50's legacy in a sentence: Aftermath gave him the world, and failure to adapt led to his demise.

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:09 PM

hahaha point - Incrediboi

Jake O'ConnorOct 29, 2013, 6:10 PM★ Spotlighted

Get Wale to sign a Nationals hat

Natalie PortmanNov 4, 2014, 8:59 PM

Hey

Natalie PortmanNov 4, 2014, 8:59 PM

Hey