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A Waste of Time with ItsTheReal X

Nov 26, 2013

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Nov 26, 2013

The week in hip-hop.

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

Oh hey
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

So... anything new with Kanye this week>
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:00 PM

Apparently!
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

He's been on the radio for the past what-feels-like-forever.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:01 PM

Where do you want to start first?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

Well, I think at this point, everyone's aware that Kanye has emerged from hiding and has been on a press tour
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

but after so long avoiding any press, the question you asked yesterday was why
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

so...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

care to answer your own question
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:02 PM

?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:03 PM

To be honest, I don't know. You seem to think it's because he's got a lot to say, having avoided it for so long. But I think that he's been feeling misunderstood, and the only way to control his message was to go out and broadcast it himself.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

true
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

also, I think that he has a NEW message
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

so who do you like better:
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

Kanye avoiding press
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

or Kanye all in the press?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:04 PM

He mentioned how everyone likes Jay Z, and I bet he wants to be viewed in that light, as opposed to "this villain who did Taylor/Bush wrong"
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

Um...I like Kanye in the press I guess?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I think he has interesting things to say?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

I agree
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

and you know what
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

he doesn't mind being the bad guy
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

to an extent
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

and I think this:
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:05 PM

he's trying to speak things into reality
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

Sure, I think I'd agree with that.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

That in order to knock down the doors of "classism" in fashion, he has to call people out.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

And be vocal about it.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

and when the corporations that he wants to be in business with don't see him out there being a genius, he feels he has to tell them he is one
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

and loudly
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

yeah
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:06 PM

I feel like Kanye's the one interview I actively seek out.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

Like, I'm not looking for most morning show interviews if it's not Kanye.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:07 PM

Jeff, you don't wake up till the afternoons anyway
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:08 PM

As much as I didn't really like the track of Charlemagne/Angela/Envy, I thought it was wise to go to his harshest critics and answer those questions.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

I mean, each interview (Power 105 and Hot 97) work
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

they're for such different audiences
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

but
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

one of the biggest things he's been talking about...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

has been his move from Nike to adidas
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

I think it's an incredible move!
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:09 PM

It's really daring
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

(And, yes, WHAT AN ORIGINAL OPINION, but really!)
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

and it's a huge FU to Nike
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

and adidas strikes me as a place that'll let Kanye do him
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:10 PM

Alright, rather than dancing around the idea, let's cut to the chase: what do you think it changes?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

which is super important
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

What do you think this "means"?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

I think it means Kanye's vision will finally be seen in its entirety
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

adidas is a global brand
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

Yes, but so is Nike.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

and a place that can help Kanye put his vision out there
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:11 PM

well
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:12 PM

I just think it's easy for people outside of this to sit back and say, "okay, that's just one company being traded for another, and this doesn't really change anything for me."
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:12 PM

So, I'm wondering, why should this matter to anyone aside from Kanye?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:12 PM

In your eyes?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“Nike could have done the same. But they really limited Kanye with what he wanted. You could even see it in the original Yeezy 1 samples.”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:13 PM

well, the way I see it is that Nike thinks it's bigger than everyone
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:13 PM

even Jordan
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:13 PM

and maybe they're right
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:13 PM

but Kanye - as a man and a brand - could take adidas to the next level
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:14 PM

and his stuff doesn't necessarily have to incorporate three stripes per se
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:14 PM

is my guess
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:14 PM

I think the most interesting thing from the Breakfast Club interview was that he's going to make sure that his price points are lower, more affordable.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“Is Kanye operating from a "what's best for me is what's best for everyone" mentality? If so, do you think he's right to think that way?”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:14 PM

to Jerome's point...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:15 PM

Ye keeps talking about Steve Jobs
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:15 PM

and he wants to be Steve Jobs meets Walt Disney meets something else
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:15 PM

and Steve Jobs, for one, had the attitude that eh knew what you wanted, even if you didn't know yourself
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:15 PM

and it worked
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:16 PM

so maybe Ye is the same?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:16 PM

Right, and that's the mission behind DONDA. This is a guy who has a - ha - god complex. It's just about whether you're riding with him or not.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“True. Nike had Kanye on a leash and kind of dictated everything about yeezys. From the design to how to handle the release. It's going to be interesting how a widely released and more available kanye shoe sells.”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:17 PM

As someone who believes that Kanye is doing good, of course I believe in the philosophy and support him.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:17 PM

Mike, can you imagine if Kanye made an affordable show that was extremely hot
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:18 PM

Like, you KNOW basketball players will wanna wear what Ye says is the best
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:18 PM

Nate Robinson wore Yeezy 2s in-game last year!
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:18 PM

and by the way, I'm sure this Yeezi deal is for clothing too
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“Thats the thing. A lot of people bashed the Yeezys saying that if it didn't have his name on it, they'd probably sit on shelves. If it becomes widely available to EVERYONE like team jordans are, not retros, they might lose their appeal.”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

That's a really good point:
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

If everyone has them, does anyone want them?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

well
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

everyone loves Ye's music
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

Or are they like, the Starburys?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

but Starburys weren't hot
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

C'mon, you know that's not the same thing.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

Music is a very personal experience.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

as are shoes
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:19 PM

Fashion is an outward thing.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:20 PM

everyone can wear Jordans today
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:20 PM

okay, let's talk about likability
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:20 PM

cause that was a big this on the Breakfast Club's show this morning
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:21 PM

do we need that outwardly nice Kanye?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:21 PM

I think the most interesting point he made this morning to them was that maybe this is his Bruce Springsteen-Nebraska moment
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:21 PM

where he needed to be harsh and get that out there
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:21 PM

and the follow-up was Born in the USA
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:22 PM

Me personally, I don't. I like angry Kanye best. But I think that - in order to get his larger, loftier goals accomplished - then yes, he has to be "nicer" and convince middle America to like him.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:22 PM

I think that he is doing this self-imposed PR clean-up in order to make the people in power give him another chance -- without compromising his morals.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

He's showing that there's little difference in what he's been saying then and now, only now he has a smile.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

I like Kanye during all seasons
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

And, apparently, a smile makes a big difference.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

as I said in my Complex piece
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

Every day is Yeezy season for you.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

(And me. And a lot of people)
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:23 PM

and what makes Kanye so special is that he's so honest with himself and to everyone
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

he really puts himself out there
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

sometimes for better and sometimes for worse
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

and his music reflects how he's feeling
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

Right, I don't think he's changed anything but his tone.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

which is awesome
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

and he's always been socially awkward
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

probably because his mind moves at a faster speed than everyone else
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

and it's hard for him to relate
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

or befriend
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:24 PM

or be told what to do
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:25 PM

What I like about Kanye is that I'm never sure what he's going to do next. He's full of surprises, at a time when so many people are predictable.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:25 PM

So many people play safe.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:25 PM

Kanye still deflects questions, but I think he does so in a way that's interesting. He'll take boring questions and go into interesting avenues.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:26 PM

I kinda agree with that
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:26 PM

sometimes I think that he railroads questioners because if he keeps talking, eventually he'll get to the point he wants to make
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“10 Years out, do you think Ye will rach the position he's aiming for”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:27 PM

to Jerome: I think there's little reason to doubt him
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:27 PM

Alright, I'll take the counterpoint.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:27 PM

like, sometimes it seems like he's rambling, but there's such great nuggets in what he's saying
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:27 PM

go ahead Jeff
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:28 PM

Kanye's sort-of creating this dream - it seems - as he goes along. So, if he's not clear about what his goals are, then I'm not really sure I can see him achieving them.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:29 PM

Like, what is DONDA going to do besides "fix everything"?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:29 PM

Here's my thing
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:29 PM

I feel like technology and the way the world is moving is just catching up to where Kanye's head is at
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

I think he'll take himself as a brand and build it into something big
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

like, I believe he sees the big picture
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, though?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

even if he's not able to articulate it in a short sentence
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

Sure.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

hold on
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

I'll try and say it then
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“There isn't even a clear definition of what DONDA is or does.”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:30 PM

to you and Mike:
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:31 PM

I think that Donda, or Kanye TM...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:31 PM

just like we all can...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:31 PM

will be a huge brand, able to do multiple things really well
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:31 PM

cause I believe we're all brands now
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:31 PM

we're in an age where middlemen are disappearing
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:32 PM

where manufacturing is such a huge deal anymore
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:32 PM

where the physical is less and less
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:32 PM

everything is smaller, more digital
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:32 PM

and easier to transfer
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:32 PM

and transmit
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:33 PM

so why is Kanye, who is arguably one of the most popular people in the world, unable to take what he envisions and bring it semi-easily to the masses?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:33 PM

OKAY.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:33 PM

Here's why I think people doubt him and his FIX-EVERYTHING ideas: Because (as of now) he's done things in music and fashion.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:34 PM

He faults Lady Gaga for being a creative director at Polaroid but "what does she know about cameras?"
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

Well, Kanye has shown interests in things - shiny things, beautiful things - but what makes him the smartest man in the room when it comes to, say, technology?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

Is he the smartest man or just the loudest man? Because I believe (and I'm sure many believe) there's a big difference.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

well
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

If his idol is Steve Jobs...
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

And! This is coming from someone who believes in him.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:35 PM

and Jobs knew what was best for people
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:36 PM

and knew how to direct his people to make his visions come to life
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:36 PM

then why can't Ye?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:36 PM

I think he can
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:36 PM

and also:
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

The thing is, Jobs had a pedigree/history. Kanye's is far more lightweight. Nowadays, he's a curator more than creator.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

that's not fair
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

To be fair, that may have been Jobs, too.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

Jobs started from the bottom too
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“Between the rants, taylor swift, and paparazzi attacks, the public's view of him isn't as positive as most hip hop heads think”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

I'm not denying Jobs started from the low rung.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“To mike's point, I don't even think hip hop fans are riding with him as hard as the blogosphere makes it seem.”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:37 PM

I'm saying that Kanye's trying to move from the high bar to another high bar.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

Mike and Jerome: Steve Jobs was once hated enough that he was thrown out of a failing business that he started
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

and no one was buying his product
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

Right.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

How about this:
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

Kanye knows emotion
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

he knows how to display his
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

Kanye IS emotion.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

YES
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:38 PM

that's very true
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

Kanye is emotion
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

and people relate to it
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

Can someone who is pure emotion be an effective leader?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

so I think that Kanye can bottle it up and sell it
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

is that crazy?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

like he knows how to sell it via his music and via his live shows...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:39 PM

and he's aiming to do that with clothing next
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:40 PM

I think DONDA and Kanye as a brand are onto something
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:40 PM

...or at least I am
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:40 PM

Maybe DONDA should hire you. Maybe DONDA already HAS hired you.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:40 PM

Okay
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:41 PM

I will say, Kanye's greatest accomplishment may not be his own ideas, but in that he inspires everyone else to think.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:41 PM

point: Jeff
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:41 PM

pOINT: JEFF
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“It's probably all 'creative stream of conscience'”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:41 PM

Right. "Word vomit" as Mean Girls called it.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:42 PM

Here's something else I like about Kanye:
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:42 PM

he knows he's not an actor
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:42 PM

he admitted that to the Breakfast Club
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:42 PM

so he does know his limitations
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:42 PM

and on the other hand, he doesn't deny himself his dreams
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

GETTING OUT OUR DREAMS
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

!!!
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

You know who had limitations?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

FDR?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

Fonzworth Bentley
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

Oh. I thought you meant, like, polio.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:43 PM

ha ha I know
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:44 PM

okay
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:44 PM

thoughts on "rants"
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:44 PM

UGH
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:45 PM

as 1. a term used for his talking points during concerts or listening sessions and 2. as to why they're used for just Kanye
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:45 PM

and 3. if they're the last bastion for autotune
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:45 PM

I think "rant" minimizes any point he makes, as if they're the ramblings of a crazy person.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“"Kanye rant" is analogous to "Obamacare".”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:46 PM

POINT: JEROME
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:46 PM

The term "rant" is so gross. And I get why people use it (for SEO purposes, I guess)
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:46 PM

But like, bloggers: stop using "rant."
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

It's so depressing and quasi-racist.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

agreed
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

SORRY, IS THIS A RANT?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

This might be a rant because my thoughts are ACTUALLY scrambled.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

As opposed to Kanye's.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

now lemme ask this
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

Yes.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

as they're now an expected part of the show...
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:47 PM

does that make it less effective?
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:48 PM

I think, because it's scripted, it's almost like storytime for children.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:48 PM

Like, "alright, maybe I'll take a nap."
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“I think seeing them on youtube makes them less effective. They're removed from context.”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

Hm. I don't know if I agree with that.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

I think what makes them ineffective is the bulletpoint nature of the Internet.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

Where it's like, "10 Crazy Things Kanye Talked About!"
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

It's all about presentation.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

argh
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:49 PM

But it's not YouTube specifically.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“are they really scripted? or does he come up with new stuff to talk about every night?”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

Mike, I think they're all fresh and really on his mind
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

YouTube might be the most naked (!) place his points can be seen and repeated ad infinitum.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

his "rants" are his chance to improv, so to speak, in an otherwise perfectly scripted show
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

Eric. Don't use that word.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:50 PM

Can we find another word?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:51 PM

hmm
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:51 PM

Autotune the Kanye News
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Speech? Sermon?”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“Talking to?”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:52 PM

I don't mind speech. Sermon is a little raised-eyebrow. Talking to makes me feel like it's done out of punishment.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:52 PM

(Which is to say, some of his speeches are VERY punishing)
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:52 PM

(Because they're endless)
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“Kanye Spiel”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

Okay!
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

Kanye Spiel
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

Eric?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

yes?
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

okay
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

I can work with that
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

Gr8.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

I don't remember the point I was gonna make though
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:53 PM

hmm
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:54 PM

Regardless
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Your creative stream of consciousness is off point, Eric”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:54 PM

if anything
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“I'd love to see "spiel" on rap blogs regularly.”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:55 PM

Kanye puts other rappers to shame
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:55 PM

because he's so honest
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:55 PM

and he's able to communicate non-generic ways
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:55 PM

which is very refreshing
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:55 PM

I'm trying to think of another rapper or artist who's as good at communicating honesty.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“Pac?”

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Eric Rosenthal · 6:56 PM

also, something I loved seeing in the Juan Ep teaser: Kanye's insecurities when it comes to his own drums
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:56 PM

Yeah, Pac works.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

Yes.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

just the idea that Kanye knows where he stands and where he wants to improve
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

Absolutely, Eric.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

I thought that was pretty great
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

I mean, this is a guy who interned after he'd become a star!
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

He interned for Prada.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

he's not as egotistical as people believe or want to believe
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:57 PM

right
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:58 PM

we should celebrate someone like this
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:58 PM

I bet he's easier to work with now, but I've heard stories about him getting in the way of things.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:58 PM

who speaks his mind clearly and believes in himself and wants to live his best life and enable and raise others
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:58 PM

And so I don't think we should pretend that he's understanding of 'the process' when it comes to work.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

I'm sure he's stubborn
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

Then again, so was Jobs.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

and socially a little awkward
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

but geniuses are not easy to deal with
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“If Kanye had moved to Oklahoma (his aunts house) after Late Registration, do you think he'd be happier? Would hip hop suck?”

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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

Assholes make history.
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

Jerome: remember that!
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Eric Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

yeah
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

Yup!
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Jeff Rosenthal · 6:59 PM

Hip-hop would most definitely suck.
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Jeff Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

#REMEMBER
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Eric Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

hmmm
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Eric Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

actually
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Eric Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

the way the internet's gone, it's not so crazy to think that he still would have been able to do work from there
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

the world is smaller
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

and communication is easier
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:00 PM

Okay, Eric, you move to Oklahoma and try to make a career from there.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

and hell, he flies everyone to Paris and Hawaii to record...
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

On the "hip-hop Internet"
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

I could see that in 10 years though
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

I've never been there, but I can't imagine Oklahoma to be as inspiring as Paris or Hawai'i
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

that Kanye buys a ranch up on Montana
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

and spends lots of quiet time up there
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

I can't imagine that Kanye likes quiet.
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

Minimalism, yes.
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

Quiet, no.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

and I bet the music would be insane!
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:01 PM

in the best way
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:02 PM

I bet his beard would be insane.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:02 PM

all of that
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:02 PM

thematically, I bet it'd take him to a whole new place, so to speak
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“That's fun to think about”

JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jake O'Connor

“Yeezy's pond”

ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“Oklahoma was kinda like Chappelle's Ohio. If MBDTF didn't make him popular again I have no doubt he'd be the greatest rancher in Oklahoma.”

JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

Hahaha, these comments today have been great.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

absolutely
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

okay, so what'd we learn today?
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:03 PM

Very smart, very on-point and now hilarious.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jerome Jackson

“I'd kill for a Chappelle Kanye tour, incidentally.”

ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:04 PM

100,000%
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:04 PM

I think we learned that Kanye's changed his tone but not his message; that he's got a shot at changing the world (if he knows exactly what changes to make)
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:04 PM

And that it's fun to imagine him living in Montana.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

And you all learned what DONDA is capable of, via me
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

Right.
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

Murder.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

NOW GO TELL THE WORLD
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

I'm Eric
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

I'm Jeff.
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

thanks as always for joining us!
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

Thanks for joining us for this Kanye spiel!
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

AND STOP USING THE WORD 'RANT'
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

We'll be back in a couple of weeks
ER

Eric Rosenthal · 7:05 PM

Good Tawk
JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from mike reyes

“And this is Jensen”

JR

Jeff Rosenthal · 7:06 PM

WHAT THE