Katie Klabusich

Host

Abortion is Healthcare

Jun 25, 2014·78 visitors

Sarah Tuttle

Cohost

Stage· 287 messages

Jun 25, 2014

Scientist, mother, reproductive justice activist and all-around hero Sarah Tuttle is back to talk about her new project: AbortionIsHealthcare.com! As abortion becomes more marginalized & access is further eroded, standing up with our nation's providers is vital. This website/letter writing campaign is a crucial piece of the effort to end abortion stigma! Join us to find out more.

Katie Klabusich · 1:00 AM

Hi, everyone! Thanks for coming to "Abortion is Healthcare" (new ProTip: there’s a mobile app: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tawkers/id791417999?mt=8 )

Katie Klabusich · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey all :-)”

Katie Klabusich · 1:00 AM

Real quick, if you’re new to Tawkers, Sarah and I will be chatting on the left. And if you’re signed in (it only takes two minutes to set up a profile!), you can add comments/questions on the right. Interrupt any time with questions!

Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

Also, definitely use the “arrow” icons to share comments on social media & ask people you know will dig the discussion to join in.

Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

Before we start, my tawks are a safe space. Ask questions, share — but no abusive language will be tolerated. If you need to mute someone, click the “ … “ under the thumbs in their comment or click on their profile.

Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

Please start by muting "William Green" -- unfortunately I can't block or boot people and he has trolled my talks on abortion with abusive language before. Thanks!

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

(Don't feel bad -- it's an alias.)

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

With the disclaimers out of the way, let’s start "Abortion is Healthcare" — so excited to hear about this project! Thanks for joining me again, Sarah!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:02 AM

I'm so excited to talk with you tonight.

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

So glad to have you back!

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

I might have let out a bit of a SQUEE when you told me about this idea. Where did it come from and why do we need it?

Sarah Tuttle · 1:03 AM

Well, as you know, we're coming on the anniversary of all the big legislation getting passed in Texas.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:03 AM

It was wonderful to come together with everyone, but frustrating to feel so limited in our effect.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:03 AM

As the law has unfurled here, the limitation on "admitting privileges" has really been extremely damaging.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:04 AM

I'd also been talking to abortion providers - some who are fulltime providers, some who fill in when they can.

Katie Klabusich · 1:04 AM

(That is a particular TRAP law that punishes good doctors who don't admit patients with complications.)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:04 AM

Right now, we have such a dearth of providers that doctors are traveling all over to try to meet the needs of communities.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:05 AM

Anyway, the TRAP law we're dealing with means you need to have local admitting privileges. A doctor I know who worked locally can no longer be a provider, because she doesn't keep a practice or work full time.

Katie Klabusich · 1:05 AM

Huzzah -- burgeoning young lawyer in our midst! (Hi, Andrew)

Katie Klabusich · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“What are the rules on granting admitting privileges? Are there set guidelines on when a hospital may choose to grant admitting privileges, or is it completely within the hospital's discretion?”

Katie Klabusich · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“(I'm nearly certain it's the latter, but just wanted to clarify.)”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:05 AM

Hospitals are private entities, and really aren't in any way obligated to offer privileges. And they aren't necesary. It is all up to the hospital's discretion.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:05 AM

It is a very slick move.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:06 AM

Because it moves the "decision" about aboriton access out of the public view, into a very private situation

Katie Klabusich · 1:06 AM

And since < 1% of abortion leads to complications, any decent doc isn't going to admit enough patients (or any) for most hospitals to bother even if it wasn't unfortunately controversial.

Katie Klabusich · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“Also, are there other types of off-site medical procedures that are not subject to admitting privilege regulations? My first thought is cosmetic surgery.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:06 AM

Not that I'm aware of. Abortion providers are especially singled out b/c, well, abortion.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:07 AM

There are no other admiting privileges requirements that I'm aware of either.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:07 AM

Because if you have a medical emergency, YOU CAN GO TO A HOSPITAL

Sarah Tuttle · 1:07 AM

If you're at a dentist and god forbid there is some complication? They can take you to a hospital.

Katie Klabusich · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Leah Torres

“These laws hurt my patients. They are everything but protective.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:07 AM

Yes, it turns out, hospitals take emergencies.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:07 AM

They don't need some magical pre-arrangement. This is just a smokescreen to limit abortion access in a tidy way.

Katie Klabusich · 1:08 AM

(reminder: to mute someone, just click the " ... " under their comment)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“I also read recently that it's difficult to get admitting privileges for abortion because it's so unlikely that a patient will need to be admitted to a hospital - true?”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:08 AM

Absolutely

Katie Klabusich · 1:08 AM

Yep. And legislators and anti-choicers know it.

Katie Klabusich · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Leah Torres

“True, Christina”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:08 AM

Many hospitals actually have requirements that you've brought in X # of patients in a set period of time.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:09 AM

B/C admitting privileges were never meant to be about medicine in this way, but about a hospital's finances.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:09 AM

Anyway, an anti-abortion group ran an effective campaign out in McAllen that pretty much threatened hospitals.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:09 AM

They were like "If you step up and do this, we will destroy you."

Sarah Tuttle · 1:09 AM

And now the clinic is gone in McAllen.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ok for a novice like me, what do you mean by admitting privileges? sorry to be a pain”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:10 AM

No problem, Lucy!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:10 AM

The basic is this:

Katie Klabusich · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Do you think these anti-choice tactics would be as effective if insurance covered the cost of abortion (like it should)?”

Katie Klabusich · 1:10 AM

Good question -- thoughts on Mag's question, Leah?

Sarah Tuttle · 1:10 AM

States have started writing laws that require "admitting privileges" for doctors providing abortion, to a hospital within X # of miles. Ours is 30.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:11 AM

This is just a contract between a hospital and an abortion provider, pretty much.

Katie Klabusich · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“so to get admitted into hospital you have to have something wrong with you?”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:11 AM

But it isn't necessary. Many doctors rarely admit patients to hospitals. If an extraordinary occurance requires hospitalization, you just take your patient to the nearest hospital.

Katie Klabusich · 1:12 AM

Yep -- it's lawmakers pretending that anyone can't simply walk in to an ER with an emergency. Which you can. At any hospital. By law, they have to treat you.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:12 AM

"Admitting privileges" is a legal contract, not really about medicine.

Katie Klabusich · 1:12 AM

ADmitting privileges would allow the doc who performed the procedure to also treat you at the hospital -- which isn't necessary and isn't required in any other field.

Katie Klabusich · 1:12 AM

So well said, Sarah!

Katie Klabusich · 1:13 AM

Mag -- I suspect not. I suspect breaking down stigma would solve much of the problem.

Katie Klabusich · 1:13 AM

Lucy -- we're talking about post-abortion complications.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Except that if you wind up at a Catholic hospital, and many hospitals increasingly have religious affiliations, you might not get medically dictated treatment for any reproductive health complications”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:13 AM

Right. This is a whole nother kettle of terrifying fish.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:13 AM

Anyway, so I realized - although we've gotten better at taking to the streets, this battle isn't being fought there.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:14 AM

Doctors aren't stepping up to call shenanigans on this because they fear for their lives, and for their ability to earn a living.

Katie Klabusich · 1:14 AM

The reason Sarah focused on the admitting privileges TRAP (targeted regulation of abortion providers) Law is that it specifically focuses on the individual physicians being allowed to practice in certain clinics/places.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:14 AM

I think limiting insurance coverage of abortion is another side of this marginalization of abortion.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:14 AM

We often focus on providers.

Katie Klabusich · 1:14 AM

Sarah isn't one to take things lying down....

Sarah Tuttle · 1:15 AM

Because we have this fantastic community (like Leah Torres, hi!!)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:15 AM

who speak up and fight back to keep abortion access available for all of us.

Katie Klabusich · 1:15 AM

They really are risking their lives.

Katie Klabusich · 1:15 AM

For us.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:15 AM

But I think we really need push back from the medical community.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:15 AM

If one doctor stands up and says "Wait a minute, I support abortion access." they might be afraid to damage their practice, or risk their family.

Katie Klabusich · 1:16 AM

Harassment costs doctors their practices and livelihoods all the time.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:17 AM

But if more doctors are standing up - and if we tell them - You are speaking for us! We will keep going to you, we will also protect you... It is a question of the community protecting its best interests, and

Sarah Tuttle · 1:17 AM

keeping abortion available for everyone, in a safe and legal way.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:17 AM

Even in Austin, a "liberal" city, abortion clinics are on their own.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“How prevalent are the laws that redefine scientific concepts? Such as Ohio redefining when pregnancy begins?”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:17 AM

At this point, science and medical best practice are really not included in the laws.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:18 AM

I think pretty much every law introduced to limit abortion in the last few years has had, at its heart, bullshit fake science.

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

NYC too -- it takes 25+ escorts to get patients into the Queens clinic many Saturdays.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:18 AM

Which is another reason to push back. The law in Texas now requires, for medical abortions, providers to use an OUT OF DATE procedure.

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

(Sarah is a scientist - so taking this assault on science personally)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:18 AM

It boggles my mind that we think this is acceptable.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:19 AM

I also think we still really freak out about saying "Abortion".

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

And so, was born, out of frustration and love --- like many great things --- Abortion Is Healthcare!

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

http://www.abortionishealthcare.com

Sarah Tuttle · 1:19 AM

I'm on the board of our local abortion fund (The Lilith Fund) - we have shirts that say "We Fund Abortion"

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“I think we all should -- government-backed fake science harms everyone.”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:19 AM

and people love them - and are scared to wear them ;>

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

We have NYAAF members who get looks on trains here. HERE FFS.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:20 AM

so i want us to embrace being able to say "Abortion!" to our community members. I want us to hold letter writing parties at our temples and churches.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:20 AM

To stand up together and say "Wait, this is not OK with us!"

Sarah Tuttle · 1:20 AM

When 1 in 3 women will have an abortion in her lifetime - we are on dangerous ground, right now.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:20 AM

When the full force of the law here takes effect in September - there will be ONE CLINIC for every MILLION WOMEN of childbearing age in Texas.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:21 AM

And in our neigbboring states, it is really similar.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“could it be that there arent that many young senators around? ones that could actually change the laws? seems these older senators are too stuck in their ways. the ways need changing”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:21 AM

Unfortunately, I don't think its about age.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:21 AM

I think its about money. It almost always is.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:21 AM

A smoke screen of religion, wrapping around money and control.

Katie Klabusich · 1:22 AM

YES. All the control.

Katie Klabusich · 1:22 AM

Picketers are overwhelmingly men and you'll notice most heads of antichoice groups are men. Patriarchy, folks.

Katie Klabusich · 1:22 AM

So how do people support your project??

Sarah Tuttle · 1:23 AM

It is so easy! That's part of what I was looking for - What is an explicit piece of work people can do, that is easy enough for lots of people to do, but might really change things?

Sarah Tuttle · 1:24 AM

I want everyone here to sit down tonight, and write a letter to a medical professional in their life, and tell that person "I support abortion access".

Katie Klabusich · 1:24 AM

(Sorry about the trolls -- subject matter hazard. Reminder: I can't boot people, but you can mute them with the " ... " under their comments or on their profiles.)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:24 AM

It might be your OB/GYN, or your general practioner.

Katie Klabusich · 1:24 AM

YES -- telling ALL THE DOCTORS to stand with abortion providers.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:24 AM

It could be your dentist! Or your local hospital.

Katie Klabusich · 1:24 AM

Hospital boards!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:24 AM

Tell them - "This is important to me, and I don't like the direction things are going."

Sarah Tuttle · 1:25 AM

I don't care where you live - Texas, Oklahoma, New York, or California.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:25 AM

I have some sample letters on the website.

Katie Klabusich · 1:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Ask your OB/GYN if they provide abortions, give them info about Abortion Funds!”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:25 AM

And I'll put more up over time.

Katie Klabusich · 1:25 AM

All the people everywhere! (This subject and Sarah's enthusiasm turns me into a cheerleader. *\o/* )

Sarah Tuttle · 1:25 AM

And I'd love pictures of letters, or samples if you want to share.

Katie Klabusich · 1:25 AM

http://www.abortionishealthcare.com/category/sample-letter/

Sarah Tuttle · 1:25 AM

I know of someone holding a fourth of july party - and asking everyone to bring info, so they can write letters!

Katie Klabusich · 1:26 AM

AMAZING! If you can screen shot them for Sarah, you can send them in. Or tweet them to @WeLoveProviders (name redacted, obvi)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:26 AM

Start talking in your communities. We were thrilled to find our day care assistant director at the protests last summer at the capitol (I think so, Leah.)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“well i was looking to do something a little mad and different - this could be it! :-)”

Katie Klabusich · 1:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Leah Torres

“Hi! Are my texts going through?”

Katie Klabusich · 1:27 AM

Abortion people are wonderful.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:28 AM

There is a lot of great work being done nationally.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:28 AM

But if we want to keep abortion access, it'll be a city by city fight at this point.

Katie Klabusich · 1:29 AM

Yes. The fantastic @HGerbracht (Heidi Gerbracht) who works for the city of Austin reminded me that policing and buffers are local issues.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:29 AM

We can make a huge difference, I think.

Katie Klabusich · 1:29 AM

So are clinics in a lot of ways and communities being supportive.

Katie Klabusich · 1:29 AM

Local action MATTERS.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:29 AM

And doctors are very nervous to step out and support access. They've seen the damage the anti-abortion movement can do, and the violence they are willing to perform.

Katie Klabusich · 1:29 AM

Truth.

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“FYI William is a stalker. If you are on twitter you should block him- @wjgreen_”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“I'd say we could DEFINITELY make a huge difference :)”

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

Yeah, that's one of his aliases. I wish I could block him, just mute him and pay him no more attention.

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

Imagine if we could just go to our regular docs to terminate an unwanted pregnancy...

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

Sarah Tuttle · 1:30 AM

*grin* Exactly.

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

We don't get to those days without supporting the clinics and providers we do have.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:31 AM

The new clinic in New york that is both a birthing center and an abortion clinic - and everyone is shocked.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:31 AM

It is so unclear why that is confusing.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:31 AM

And I want to remind everyone - I don't even think this is just about abortion.

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

RIGHT? UGH. I can't....with the shock...While we support proactive politicians and policies, we MUST MUST stand with our clinics.

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“you can't have one without the ohter”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:31 AM

They're already coming for birth control.

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Isn't the statistic that 60% of abortion patients are already parents?”

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

Yes

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

That is accurate.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:32 AM

I spoke with a doctor, and I've heard this echoed so many times. Patients come in and say "Well, I don't really *support* abortion, but I really need one right now..."

Katie Klabusich · 1:32 AM

The stories I've heard as an escort are that additional pregnancies either happened b/c of a lack of access to prevention or they wanted and can't afford the additional children. It's very sad.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:32 AM

The stigma is so strong, and there is so much struggle.

Katie Klabusich · 1:32 AM

Having real integrated repdocutive care would mean a woman could access any option that's right for her -- becoming a mother or not.

Katie Klabusich · 1:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“Contraception too.”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:33 AM

And we hamstring doctors so they can't support their patients.

Katie Klabusich · 1:33 AM

Yes. This is your regularly scheduled reminder that elections matter.

Katie Klabusich · 1:33 AM

These laws are upheld by judges that start as elected/appointed justices at the local levels.

Katie Klabusich · 1:33 AM

Your vote in Texas affects my rights in NY.

Katie Klabusich · 1:33 AM

And vice versa.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:34 AM

Right. So have y'all decided who you are going to write to yet?

Sarah Tuttle · 1:34 AM

If you go the extra mile, you could write AND get a friend to write a letter too.

Katie Klabusich · 1:34 AM

I delight in Sarah Tuttle.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Also tell your representatives to #LiftTheDCBan on DC medicaid coverage of abortion please.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:34 AM

You can even use the ones already posted! http://www.abortionishealthcare.com/dear-my-obgyn/

Sarah Tuttle · 1:35 AM

Mag brings up a great point.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:35 AM

You know who totally can't get abortion access? Military personnel. Peace Corps volunteers.

Katie Klabusich · 1:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“I don't have a doctor right now, but I can certainly still try to find someone.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

WAIT! Changed today!

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

In part.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:36 AM

If you deliver your baby in our local catholic hospital, you can't get your tubes tied at the same time. Because Catholic God.

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

But it was a GOP lead panel that changed the policy!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:36 AM

Did it?? I was flying ;> What happened?

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/24/peace-corps-rape-abortion_n_5525751.html?1403625981

Sarah Tuttle · 1:36 AM

Contrary to popular belief, there are abortion access republicans, and anti-abortion democrats ;>

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

Listen, it's not comprehensive.

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Yup- your votes in NY and TX and everywhere else impacts DC”

Katie Klabusich · 1:37 AM

But rape survivors have recourse and life threatening situations can be addressed.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:37 AM

Interesting. I wonder how much it will change.

Katie Klabusich · 1:37 AM

I'm taking it as an initial win. Say thank you and keep pushing.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:37 AM

I mean, nominally for example in Texas medicaid is supposed to pay for abortion in cases of rape, but rarely does.

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

Frankly, any movement is reason to celebrate. Not celebrate and take a seat, but it's real movement for a congressional GOP group with no reason to do it politically.

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Only in cases of Rape and to protect life of pregnant person”

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“Has to start somewhere, I suppose.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

Yep.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:38 AM

I think that's an important thing to emphasize too - Laws on the books, and what gets enforced (or how policy is enacted) can vary wildly.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:38 AM

Which is why I, at this point, don't want to hear anything about random limitations which "seem reasonable" to people.

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

Totally. Pressuring your local officials can be very effective.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

Write them letters too!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:39 AM

At this point - I feel strongly that decisions about healthcare belong between people and their doctors.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:39 AM

and politicians should shoo back to doing their actual jobs.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

Preach.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“And important to note that these laws won't stop abortions, only safe abortions.”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:39 AM

We're already seeing that in Texas, unfortunately.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

Yep, that's a good thing to include in letters.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“Here in IA, you literally need the (anti) governor's permission to have your abortion funded through Medicaid. It's horrific, and he's probably going to be re-elected in the fall. We're trying our best to avoid that obviously, but people trust him...”

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“I find that funny, as one of the big talking points against the ACA was "don't let the government stand between you and your doctor."”

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

You trust YOUR doctor and you wish YOUR doctor could be the one to assist you.

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

Andrew -- right as usual.

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“(Funny in a "if you don't laugh, you'll cry" kind of way.)”

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

Also, a reminder:

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

this disproportionately affects the poor and people of color.

Katie Klabusich · 1:41 AM

Privileged people have always had access. They had access before Roe, they have access now no matter where they live.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:41 AM

That's right. If you need an abortion, you just get on a plane.

Katie Klabusich · 1:41 AM

Their doctors were always able to perform procedures or they could travel to a relative out of state.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:41 AM

When the first part of the law came into effect, we saw that immediately.

Katie Klabusich · 1:41 AM

This is about POWER and it's about power over already marginalized groups.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:41 AM

People flew out of state, because they just had no idea what was happening here.

Katie Klabusich · 1:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“Oh yes. I loved Obvious Child, but I remember thinking while watching it that Slate had it so much easier than she would had she been non-white, and the most unrealistic part of the film was not dealing with protesters.”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:41 AM

And we get a lot of "Texas is stupid, why don't people just leave?"

Sarah Tuttle · 1:42 AM

And of course, so many people can't leave.

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

The filmmakers talked about why that was. ;) They wanted the emotional, real, stigma-free experience that everyone should go through depicted.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:42 AM

We have great organizations here, right now, trying to support on the ground practical support, but it is very difficult.

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“I love all my Texas friends- they are fierce and amazing”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:43 AM

And we had our first client (that I know of) who was in a car accident while trying to get to her appointment in New Mexico. She's ok, thank god.

Katie Klabusich · 1:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Look at the victory in ABQ, NM where the people defeated the 20 week abortion ban!”

Katie Klabusich · 1:43 AM

YES -- that victory was amazing. I heard the lead organizer talk about it at a conference this winter. They went to the community to build the campaign -- that's why it worked.

Katie Klabusich · 1:43 AM

(Please also ignore Joey with my apologies)

Katie Klabusich · 1:44 AM

They didn't have a big national group descend upon NM with a ready-made campaign. They talked about government intrusion in family matters and people were like "NO THANK YOU."

Katie Klabusich · 1:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“I hate when people think the solution is to just leave/move out of the state. Work with people to fix the problem; don't just shuffle folks around.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:44 AM

And not everyone can move. Duh.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:44 AM

It blows my mind, but lawyers are actually using that arguement right now to defend these laws!

Katie Klabusich · 1:44 AM

It's expensive and some people love their cities.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:45 AM

"If she really needs an abortion, she can just drive out of state"

Sarah Tuttle · 1:45 AM

That's right, apparently states can now pick which parts of the constitution they're interested in, as long as some other state takes care of it.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:45 AM

I assume they're coming for my right to vote next.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“And really, where would everyone go? There are more places that are restrictive than not.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“I know some of what's going on in TX from following people on Twitter but Is there a website/article that you recommend that summarizes the battle?”

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

So follow @RobinMarty on twitter and read all her things.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:46 AM

RH Reality check has been pretty good about covering a lot of the details.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:46 AM

http://rhrealitycheck.org/

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

Also get "Crow After Roe" -- it's short and summarizes what has happened and is happening in the nationwide legal movement to overturn Roe and abortion access. :)

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“Doesn't help minors, either. A 15 year old who needs a judicial bypass can't just drive to another state for an abortion.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“Thanks”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“And @scatx andreagrimes Lilith Fund etc”

Katie Klabusich · 1:47 AM

They're very Texas focused. Robin, god help her, covers the entire country. She's a good place to start.

Katie Klabusich · 1:47 AM

If this moves you, totally write a letter and tell sarah about it at AbortionIsHealthCare.com and @WeLoveProviders on twitter!

Katie Klabusich · 1:48 AM

And support her work with Lilith Fund -- http://www.lilithfund.org

Sarah Tuttle · 1:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“and you can support your local abortion fund at www.fundabortionnow.org”

Katie Klabusich · 1:48 AM

If you want to support your local clinics, please do! You can find out your abortin fund through http://www.fundabortionnow.org

Sarah Tuttle · 1:48 AM

I will tell you my dream though.

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

They are @AbortionFunds on twitter.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:49 AM

That we don't need abortion funds anymore, because we've sorted out this nonsense.

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

YES please!

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“I work in Healthcare. I don't know ONE provider who thinks Abortion isn't healthcare.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

We need it to be safe for them to be vocal, Jason!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:49 AM

Exactly, Jason. So we need to tell them that we, there patients, agree.

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

And it may not become safe until more doctors get vocal.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:49 AM

Doctors work in communities. And even if they all support abortion access, right now it is a dubious time to stick your neck out.

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

Sarah's project is to build a wall of support around and ground underneath providers willing to step out and call abortion what it is: basic healthcare.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:50 AM

but if they know "hey, my people support me", it makes a big difference.

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

It's so simple and amazing, it just might works.

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Abortion saves lives”

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

Mag -- it saved mine.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“And I am so glad it did Katie”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:51 AM

For any other procedure, the idea that we would have ONE CLINIC for ONE MILLION PEOPLE.. would be a huge crisis.

Katie Klabusich · 1:51 AM

I can't even imagine. We freak out if there isn't a Starbucks for every 1000 people.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“It's hard to be vocal other than anon. My employer, A regional hospital, has strict social media guidelines.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

Jason -- that's the trouble.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

Stigma is a bitch.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

I promise we're working to change that. <3

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“There was a campaign in DC to get more primary care doctors to offer HIV tests to their patients- I hope the Abortion is Healthcare idea does that”

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Daar

“Speaking of "crisis," it astounds me that, especially now that there is documented proof that CPCs lie, they still get funding.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

Yeah, I need to do a tawk on that.

Katie Klabusich · 1:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“Please do!”

Katie Klabusich · 1:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“here they are, i think, going to be "encouraging" hospital/doctor whistle blowers.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:53 AM

Great, Lucy! Abortion is a clusterfuck in the UK too.

Katie Klabusich · 1:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“This might be off topic but I think it is a good time to say #fuckoperationrescue”

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

Ha -- thanks for using my hashtag!

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

(It's never off topic.)

Sarah Tuttle · 1:54 AM

I know at our hospital here, because of the restrictions from the catholic church, the work around the heathcare workers do are incredible.

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kendra Cooper

“Never a bad time to say #fuckoperationrescue”

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“But there are other ways to help- volunteer as a clinic escort, or with your local abortion fund, or support those that are able to be vocal”

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

We have a lot of work to do, but just not being afraid to say the word "abortion" in your every day life is massive.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:54 AM

And again - Our healthcare situation can be better, and we need to demand it.

Katie Klabusich · 1:55 AM

Yes. We demand basic healthcare.

Katie Klabusich · 1:55 AM

Thank you SO much to everyone for coming! Please write letters and tell people about the project!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:56 AM

No, I'm not familiar with merger watch - DM me on twitter?

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

Sarah, I'm so excited about your project.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:56 AM

Thank y'all for coming out. Thanks Katie!

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

Thanks for taking time to tell us about it!

Sarah Tuttle · 1:56 AM

And everyone - go write a letter.

Sarah Tuttle · 1:56 AM

I'll be checking up ;>

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“Basic healthcare is a human right according to the UN”

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mag R

“Thank you both for your time and advocacy!”

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

Now, everyone go get some sleep. Tomorrow is a SCOTUS decision day. xo

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“I'm always learning so thank you to both of you for this tawk. :-)”

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from J Miller

“Thanks for the chat”

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“Thanks for hosting this, you two :)”

Sarah Tuttle · 1:58 AM

Thanks everyone! Be in touch!

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Tawkers AdminJun 11, 2014, 1:41 PM

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Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

hey all :-)

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:02 AM

I'll be here no matter what

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:04 AM★ Spotlighted

What are the rules on granting admitting privileges? Are there set guidelines on when a hospital may choose to grant admitting privileges, or is it completely within the hospital's discretion?

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

(I'm nearly certain it's the latter, but just wanted to clarify.)

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:06 AM★ Spotlighted

Also, are there other types of off-site medical procedures that are not subject to admitting privilege regulations? My first thought is cosmetic surgery.

Leah TorresJun 25, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

These laws hurt my patients. They are everything but protective.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:07 AM

Another abortion clinic closing Friday in AL. Babies will be saved

Christine SalekJun 25, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

I also read recently that it's difficult to get admitting privileges for abortion because it's so unlikely that a patient will need to be admitted to a hospital - true?

Leah TorresJun 25, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

True, Christina

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:09 AM

Prolife women are tenaciously attempting to overturn Roe & protect lives of homo sapien babies

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

ok for a novice like me, what do you mean by admitting privileges? sorry to be a pain

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Do you think these anti-choice tactics would be as effective if insurance covered the cost of abortion (like it should)?

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:11 AM

Surgical procedures deserve admitting procedures because abortion doctors will pierce women's uteri & cause bleeding that leads to death.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

so to get admitted into hospital you have to have something wrong with you?

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM

Excellent point, William. What women would want vaginal, uterus piercing surgery knowing if she starts to bleed vaginally she can't get admitted to a hospital to save her life!?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM

but...but isnt getting/wanting/pregnancy having "something wrong with you"?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM

or am i getting it wrong?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

Except that if you wind up at a Catholic hospital, and many hospitals increasingly have religious affiliations, you might not get medically dictated treatment for any reproductive health complications

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM

ahh gotcha

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:13 AM

that makes more sense

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:14 AM

I do think though that having abortion treated like the regular medical procedure it is by insurance could help break down some of that stigma

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:14 AM

That's right Joey. Most women who respect her own life and the life of her baby would want to save both her life and her baby's. Good point.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:15 AM

to me,if you have a problem post/during or after, then you should really go to the hospital. seems totally mad to me.

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:16 AM

Women love to fault men for risky behavior but would could be riskier than having someone stick a cannula or sopher clamp up one's vagina into the delicate uterus to poke around trying dismember your baby without piercing you and making you bleed?

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:16 AM

Willima: Great point. I can't think of anything men do that is analogical to what women do 1,100,000 times per year.

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

How prevalent are the laws that redefine scientific concepts? Such as Ohio redefining when pregnancy begins?

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:18 AM

I really want to thank all the people pointing out the inherent risks involved in an abortion that always kills at least one homo sapien & sometimes two when botched. Very sad.

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

I think we all should -- government-backed fake science harms everyone.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:19 AM

William: Do you think all the moral Prolife men and women will come to their senses after regaining the Senate in 2015 & the White House in 2016 & pass the Life @ Conception Act, outlawing abortion?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:20 AM

Especially when abortion is much safer than actually giving birth

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:20 AM

Yes, I do. I think with all the young Millennial women realizing how immoral & dangerous abortion is giving support to their prolife leaders we will soon see either the Life At Conception Act or the 28th Amendment declaring the 14th Amendment . . .

Leah TorresJun 25, 2014, 1:20 AM

They may be, yes, Mag. It's not about cost, but insurance not covering certainly doesn't help. Funding laws also prevent me from keeping my patients safe.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:20 AM★ Spotlighted

could it be that there arent that many young senators around? ones that could actually change the laws? seems these older senators are too stuck in their ways. the ways need changing

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:21 AM

... applicable to all homo sapiens from conception in the womb to tomb. I pray so.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:21 AM

too true

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:22 AM

What is the scientific justification, if any, for waiting periods?

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:22 AM

I really hope that you're right, William. I'm very encouraged by all the women of child-bearing age helping shut down abortuaries and slowly erode Roe v Wade with voting, legislation, protests and educating their more ignorant cohort.

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:22 AM

(I assume very little, as that is also a control issue.)

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:23 AM

its amazing that doctors cant help or, as Leah has just said, keep their patients safe..isnt that what doctor are meant to do?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:23 AM

Yup and the 2 men here against science and healthcare

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:25 AM★ Spotlighted

Ask your OB/GYN if they provide abortions, give them info about Abortion Funds!

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:25 AM

So William who invited you to this Tawk?

Leah TorresJun 25, 2014, 1:26 AM★ Spotlighted

Hi! Are my texts going through?

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:26 AM

Believe it or not Katie Klabusich did; she sent me an email asking me to attend. Ironic (or hypocritical) isn't it. She sends me an email inviting me here and then tells others to block me. you just can't trust Prochoice women to be honest & mora.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:26 AM★ Spotlighted

well i was looking to do something a little mad and different - this could be it! :-)

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:27 AM

@Leeah - they sure are

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:27 AM

Hey William, Katie & Sarah, can you name one other surgical procedure that when "successful" always kills at least one homo sapien and when NOT "successful" kills two: mother and daughter?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:27 AM★ Spotlighted

FYI William is a stalker. If you are on twitter you should block him- @wjgreen_

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:28 AM

I don't know about Katie & Sarah but I can't think of one other healthcare surgical procedure that always kills at least one homo sapien and sometimes two when the doctor botches her procedure, no. Can anyone else?

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:29 AM

Are there any medicines women can take to save themselves if they undergo a botched abortion, are bleeding out their uteri out their vaginas and their doctor doesn't have hospital admitting privileges?

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:29 AM★ Spotlighted

I'd say we could DEFINITELY make a huge difference :)

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:30 AM

Joey that's a great question. As far as I know women must be rushed to the hospital to be saved from certain death if they can't stop the bleeding. I suppose some drugs can be administered to ease the pain and thicken the blood but if there's ....

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:31 AM

a hole in her uterus she's going to need life-saving surgery to plug that hole and stop the bleeding. You can be virtually certain her precious baby is already dead!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:31 AM★ Spotlighted

you can't have one without the ohter

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:31 AM

*other

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Isn't the statistic that 60% of abortion patients are already parents?

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Contraception too.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:32 AM

Wow! That's horrific. No wonder so many smart legislators in moral states are requiring hospital admitting privileges. They're trying to protect the lives of ill-advised pregnant women from having themselves killed on the abortion table.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:34 AM★ Spotlighted

Also tell your representatives to #LiftTheDCBan on DC medicaid coverage of abortion please.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:34 AM

Look at the Hippocratic oaths doctors take. Do no harm and do NOT destroy gestating babies. Can you imagine the audacity and arrogance of doctors swearing that oath and then performing thousands of abortions. No wonder so many Americans hate Roe!

Christine SalekJun 25, 2014, 1:34 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't have a doctor right now, but I can certainly still try to find someone.

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:35 AM

No, really. Katie Klabusich sent me an email inviting me to this talk. Amazing, isn't it!?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:35 AM★ Spotlighted

Yup- your votes in NY and TX and everywhere else impacts DC

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:36 AM

Why do you think the Prolife movement has been so successful lately, helping close hundreds of abortuaries nationwide?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:36 AM★ Spotlighted

Only in cases of Rape and to protect life of pregnant person

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:37 AM

Great question, Joey. Again, men are tired of the sexist, unjust abortion laws and women are beginning to rediscover their feminine womanhood and realize their greatest gift from God is their ability to reproduce another human being!

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:37 AM★ Spotlighted

Has to start somewhere, I suppose.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:38 AM

Wow, William, those are great points. You really have a sense of what's happening nationwide. Is it true that over 1,339,000,000 abortions have been performed since 1980?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:39 AM★ Spotlighted

And important to note that these laws won't stop abortions, only safe abortions.

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:39 AM

Joey: YEP! Over 1.33 Billion abortions have been committed the last 34 years worldwide and over 40,000,000 are committed annually worldwide; over 1.1 million in the U.S. alone!

Christine SalekJun 25, 2014, 1:39 AM★ Spotlighted

Here in IA, you literally need the (anti) governor's permission to have your abortion funded through Medicaid. It's horrific, and he's probably going to be re-elected in the fall. We're trying our best to avoid that obviously, but people trust him...

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:39 AM★ Spotlighted

I find that funny, as one of the big talking points against the ACA was "don't let the government stand between you and your doctor."

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:40 AM

I think we also need to make sure to accurately describe the other side as anti-choice because they are NOT "pro-life" as they try to claim

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:40 AM★ Spotlighted

(Funny in a "if you don't laugh, you'll cry" kind of way.)

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:40 AM

Those number are staggering. What do you think a moral, just and righteous God will say to all those who have had a hand in killing so many of His precious babies in utero?

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:41 AM

Joey: The same thing He said to the worshipers of Moloch and especially Ba'al. You've earned your destiny in eternity; join your father, the father of lies!

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:41 AM★ Spotlighted

Oh yes. I loved Obvious Child, but I remember thinking while watching it that Slate had it so much easier than she would had she been non-white, and the most unrealistic part of the film was not dealing with protesters.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:42 AM★ Spotlighted

I love all my Texas friends- they are fierce and amazing

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Look at the victory in ABQ, NM where the people defeated the 20 week abortion ban!

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:43 AM

What role do you think all the people who stand outside abortuaries, pray, hold up signs and counsel ill-advised and ill-equipped pregnant women have had on the reduction in the number of acts of filicide via abortion with impunity?

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:43 AM

Good call on the filmmakers' part.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:43 AM

Joey- I am a mental health professional none of those protesters are "counselors"

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:43 AM

Joey: Great question. I believe God has honored their prayers, efforts, sacrifices and is really beginning again to intervene in the affairs of women to prevent them from killing His babies in utero. Yes, prayer is quintessential.

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:44 AM★ Spotlighted

I hate when people think the solution is to just leave/move out of the state. Work with people to fix the problem; don't just shuffle folks around.

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:44 AM

Please also ignore Katie for asking you to ignore me without apology. You're free under the 1st amendment, just like me!

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM

Yes but the 1st amendment doesn't make your lies true joey.

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM★ Spotlighted

And really, where would everyone go? There are more places that are restrictive than not.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM

"Ireland’s Abortion Laws Continue to Harm Women" http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/06/13/irelands-abortion-laws-continue-harm-women/

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM

Or if she needs an abortion to save her life she will be able to get one done

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM

The right to vote is already under attack.

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM★ Spotlighted

I know some of what's going on in TX from following people on Twitter but Is there a website/article that you recommend that summarizes the battle?

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:46 AM★ Spotlighted

Doesn't help minors, either. A 15 year old who needs a judicial bypass can't just drive to another state for an abortion.

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:46 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:46 AM★ Spotlighted

And @scatx andreagrimes Lilith Fund etc

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:46 AM

I hope many of you are as excited as I am about the pending Hobby Lobby, Conestoga and Mardel SCOTUS decision due any day. I'm predicting a BIG win for the 1st amendment, conscience & against abortifacients which are NOT healthcare.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:47 AM

Or undocumented patients

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:48 AM

Me, too, William. I think you're correct. SCOTUS has got to uphold the Constitution's actual text and abandon the juridical malfeasance of the 70's in general and Roe in particular of finding non-existent rights in emanations of penumbrae.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:48 AM★ Spotlighted

and you can support your local abortion fund at www.fundabortionnow.org

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:48 AM

Tell us!

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:49 AM★ Spotlighted

I work in Healthcare. I don't know ONE provider who thinks Abortion isn't healthcare.

William GreenJun 25, 2014, 1:49 AM

Imagine the day when Roe is killed so no more babies can be in utero w/ impunity and abortion doctors can lay down their cannulas & sopher clamps and return to performing healthcare & SAVING LIVES! I pray the day comes soon.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:50 AM★ Spotlighted

Abortion saves lives

Joey RandolphJun 25, 2014, 1:50 AM

William, me too. I pray God hastens the day when all doctors are prohibited again from killing in utero with impunity and either perform life-saving medicine or choose another career!

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:50 AM★ Spotlighted

And I am so glad it did Katie

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:51 AM★ Spotlighted

It's hard to be vocal other than anon. My employer, A regional hospital, has strict social media guidelines.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:52 AM★ Spotlighted

There was a campaign in DC to get more primary care doctors to offer HIV tests to their patients- I hope the Abortion is Healthcare idea does that

Andrew DaarJun 25, 2014, 1:52 AM★ Spotlighted

Speaking of "crisis," it astounds me that, especially now that there is documented proof that CPCs lie, they still get funding.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:52 AM★ Spotlighted

But there are other ways to help- volunteer as a clinic escort, or with your local abortion fund, or support those that are able to be vocal

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Please do!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

here they are, i think, going to be "encouraging" hospital/doctor whistle blowers.

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

This might be off topic but I think it is a good time to say #fuckoperationrescue

Kendra CooperJun 25, 2014, 1:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Never a bad time to say #fuckoperationrescue

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:54 AM

Sarah have you connected with Merger Watch?

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:55 AM

We should make it a point to say every day: #Fuckoperationrescue and Abortion IS healthcare!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:55 AM

anything to do with the human body is healthcare - right?

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:56 AM★ Spotlighted

Basic healthcare is a human right according to the UN

Mag RJun 25, 2014, 1:56 AM★ Spotlighted

Thank you both for your time and advocacy!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 1:57 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm always learning so thank you to both of you for this tawk. :-)

J MillerJun 25, 2014, 1:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks for the chat

Christine SalekJun 25, 2014, 1:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks for hosting this, you two :)

Arsenio DallasJun 25, 2014, 1:59 AM

Remember: healthcare NEVER deliberately harms another human being made in God's image.