Eleanor Goldfield

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Are mass shootings inevitable?

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Lee Camp

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May 27, 2014

With the recent Isla Vista shootings shedding light on both gun control and mental health support, Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp discuss whether mass shootings are always preventable, and if so - how?

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey folks, what's up everybody?? Thanks for making it. First - will you please post on Twitter, Facebook, and Ancestry.com that you ARE HERE!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone!

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

How's it goin?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Thanks for joining us - yep - what Lee said. particularly ancestry.com

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Ancestry.com is a great dating site I've found.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

that explains a lot

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Thanks Eleanor. Thanks.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

more on Lee's questionable dating avenues later...but now

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“i think people who want guns should have to undergo mental evaluation and should be trained on how to handle them before they are allowed to have them and not to give out permits willie nillie”

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

GUNS! -- That's the topic.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

@Barry - thanks for starting us off!

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

And mass killing.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

You know, funny stuff like mass killing. Good thing we brought the comedian in on this.

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from C.j. Park

“If we can prevent psychopaths from taking positions of power that would be good. But, how do we filter them out? Do we have enough understanding of the human mind and behavior? Isn't the human mind barely understood as it is?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

the comedy of tragedy, no?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

The latest mass shooting in Isla Vista was particularly jolting for me as I used to live there, and still know people who do.

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

And it's an area known for that kind of thing, right?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

Getting to barry's point on mental evaluations, this kid was apparently seeing not one but two shrinks

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“The only way these type events will end is there has to be a value shift”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

Dennis - what kind of shift?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“should we go back to asylums?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“@Eleanor - was that the video that was on the news yesterday?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

@Carl - not sure. Depends on which news and which video.

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“eli so how the bubbles was he allowed to have weapons and why didnt his parents take them from him”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

There has been a lot of it in the news lately tho

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

@Barry - exactly

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

Apparently he was smart enough to act "normal" when he needed to

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

@Barry - I don't know that it's always easy for parents to take guns away from a teenager or young adult.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

However, even if he could - shouldn't it be on record that he's been in therapy since he was 8 fucking years old?!

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Many of these shooters are in college or have a stockpile their parents don't know about.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

I don't think necessarily that the parents can take the guns away - when the kid is in college espeically

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sinel Shiva

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXIFxjlSYts seems like a fitting song”

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“so are we talking solutions, or are we talking utopian fantasy?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

from what I've read, the parents did send the SB police to his dorm after they were worried for his safety.

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Seth - What utopia was mentioned?

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“lee are u telling me you couldnt take something of a teenager”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

SB PD checked it out and said he appeared fine

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Barry - Not if he had a gun!!

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

So the real probably seems to be the ability of psychopaths to seem normal. They shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

and technically he was 22

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“the utopia where we can get the bastards guns before goes public-rampage? trying to get a feel for where the discussion is headed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

ha!

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

Seth, you are a part of the discussion. Help take it where you want.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

That is a real problem - damn pysopaths.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

wow - psychopaths

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

phew, spelling!

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“those scoundrels acting normal and shit”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

The argument I've heard was that since he also stabbed and killed his roommates before going on this shooting rampage is that gun control wouldn't do any good.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

Which is of course, a bullshit argument.

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Can I say this about gun control - EVERYBODY is for some kind of weapon control. I know no one who thinks nuclear weapons or even tanks should be allowed for your average civilian. So therefore we're only actually arguing about where to draw the line

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

You can't kill 7 people by waving a knife out of your car window

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

That is a really good point too, Lee

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

The debate is NEVER no guns or all guns. It's merely exactly where to say something is against the law. But god forbid we have a nuanced debate in this country.

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“in ireland if you want a gun licence you have to go to local police chief and he has to approve you for gun ownership i think there is about 240.000 gun permits issued which has to be renewed every 3 years”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“i need a suitcase nuke to protect my family”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“plus the fact that people just make guns if the law prevents them from buying..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Wasn't that an Eddie Izzard joke?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

or lewis black?

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

It was chris rock.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Sheesh, get your classic comedy straight!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“@Eleanor I looked it up, that was the video I thought it was. From what I heard he had lots of issues. And the parents had made calls to his doctors and counselors making warnings about him.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Hey, I'm a musician.

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“2nd chris rock, Lee Camp that's why we need a comedian on the discussion”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Who did "Welcome to the jungle"? Was that Miley?

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“Make being famous a thing of the past, not something to strive for”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“If I have to take lessons and a test to drive a car, why not a gun?”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

Kimmie has a good point.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Carl - yeah, I read that as well. While I do feel there is a tremendous shortage of available mental health care in this country, it seemed like he had at least the outlets to get treatment. the disconnect came into play when he went to buy a gun...

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Where do people stand on whether this is all about how we treat women in our society. There has been some hardcore debate over this in the past few days.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

I think that is an issue as well, but not an issue in all mass shootings, of course.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

Unfortunately, I think because of his absolute psychopathic behaviour, he would've found a reason to kill people even if it weren't directed towards women

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“Years ago, I studied for months, took tests, state and national, waited months for the results and that was just to be a licensed massage therapist that rubs oil on someone. But I can buy a gun and kill you no test, no waiting.”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“so you are blaming women as the root cause of shooting sprees”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

@Barry - read the news on this.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

#yesallwomen

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

google that after we're done here. misogyny is a big factor in this latest IV shooting.

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Barry - No, some people are saying this killer is proof that our society treats women like objects to be had. And that the societal message really fucked this kid up. And that's why he killed women.

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

I disagree though. I think it's far far bigger than that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“It's not just women, it's everyone. This kid wanted to kill, plain and simple. Yes, there were many items in his videos and manifesto that spoke out against women, but he spoke about his parents, other boys having sex...it was all rooted in jealousy”

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

And like you said, he'd been in therapy since 8 and had a lot of issues.

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I have never understood the reasoning for not having more regulation for weapons in this country. I lived in Germany and I never saw things like we see here not because no one owned weapons, but because there was more regulation on who could get one.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Kimmie - I agree. I mean he stabbed his three male roommates before he even left his apartment to go on the shooting spree

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

He wanted to kill people

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Tim - agreed.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

Same thing when I grew up in Sweden. It's essentially a non-issue. Not even cops have guns

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“He claimed he was conceived on birth control, therefore not wanted since birth. It was a lot of woe is me. Hell, I'm adopted and married, clearly not wanted, not getting laid. You don't see me killing people. Just sayin'”

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Christopher York

“Some places need the regulation more than others.... We have just basic gun laws in my state, a 40% gun ownership rate and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

El - It could be true that the US also creates a killing culture more than some other countries. We've been raised on shoot-em-up warmongering shit.

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“The one thing that I will say...and I know it won't be popular...but let's talk about keeping mental health programs in place. All of these shootings have been shown to need mental help that was cut off.”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Carl - Why would that not be popular?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Christopher - I think there should be basic regulation in all states. Like if you've been seeing therapists since age 8...umm, no gun for you

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

And like Kimmie suggested - can we get people to take a damn course first? They don't even check your eye sight when you go to buy a gun

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

Yeah, instead of soup nazi, let's have a gun nazi!!

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

Wait, never mind!

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

The Nazis were gun Nazis!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

You digging a hole over there, Lee?

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

A big one. Save me, El!

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“if these type of guys want to just shoot at stuff join the army...oh wait they screen out the nutbags”

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“He would still get a gun, it's the urge to kill that's the problem here, not the means”

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“Lee, there's no such thing as Nazis, remember?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

@Seth, it's both. You can't say that it's just the urge to kill when it's so easy to get your hands on the means

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“Actually, Barry, they don't screen as much as one would hope or expect. Just watch the damage coming out on the exit interview.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

You mentioned before that people can build their own weapons. Yes, we saw that with the Boston bombing. But this kid didn't seem like the type that could build his own gun. And let's not forget he had three roommates. How the hell do you build a

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

bomb without your roommates noticing

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“Because people are quicker to remove the guns and blame guns...but look at these people, they need help they were not getting. And that ties into the whole VA suicide issue. Let's lock up all the guns, and let people that need help go on without it”

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Plus, with the build your own idea, it's proven that the harder it is to kill, the less killing there will be.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Travise

“I'm sorry but i don't believe that more gun regulations will do anything...If a criminal wants a gun they can find it. Probably have the damn thing delivered to their door if so desired.”

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

It is POSSIBLE to get a gun in the UK, but it's much harder and there's a lot less killing, even though they have knives.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Andrew - that's exactly the point. If it's something that can be delivered to your door, that shit needs to be regulated.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“I'm still confused how this kid pulled off stabbing his roommates and getting away with it. All 3? Talk about premeditation.”

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

When they stopped making it possible to stick your head in the over and die from the fumes in the UK, there were a lot less suicides because suicide was harder.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Kimmie - exactly. This wasn't a random spur-of-the-moment action

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“why does gun regulation work in other countrys”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

@David - b/c it's done properly and they don't have a multi-billion dollar gun lobby up the asses of their government

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Everybody likes to say "if he didn't have a gun, he woulda done it with a knife" but that's so not true, it's ridiculous.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Knife killers usually get stopped after one or two. Machine gun killers can take out a shitload more before ever being stopped.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“He used both, guns and knives.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

@Kimmie - indeed he did. But again, how many people can you kill driving down the street waving a knife around?

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

If you had to build the guns, there would be no more Jewish killers at least. (My people don't build.)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Travise

“gun delivery is regulated and so is the delivery illegal drugs but trust me...it happens”

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

Except for Jesus, he was a carpenter.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

@Andrew - not enough is my point.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

@Lee - a wooden gun...doesn't seem very practical

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am trying to remember the last incident of mass casualties I ever heard of from a mass drive by knifing”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“and it takes a lot more nerve to stab somebody that it does to shoot them from 100 foot away”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

Tim - Yeah, drive-up knifing is really a bitch to pull off. You have to go from Burger King to Burger King.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“I'm heartbroken for his family, the other kids families of course and this community.”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

Eleanor - No, not at all. That's why we need the 3D printers.

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“Drive by knifings take lots of skill.”

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Apparently background checks (which our congress FAILED to pass) is more popular in a survey than KITTENS. MORE POPULAR THAN FUCKING KITTENS!

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

That shows how useless our congress is when it comes to going against big business.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“was jesus jewish lol”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Barry, Jesus was Jewish.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

That doesn't surprise me

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

The last supper was Passover.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“3D printers? Does that mean I can fix my boobs? I digress.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“After Sandy Hook we saw the NRA in full defense mode, preying on peoples fears that "Bama's gonna take away our guns" and sales of semi automatic assault rifles went through the roof. It isnt about safety, it is about money”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Kimmie - It's not 3D miracles.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

OOOOOOOOO

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Sorry, you set me up.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

@Tim - and again, after the IV shootings, the NRA jumped to say that now was not the time to talk about gun control

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“until are politicians work for us we will get no good changes”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“ah crap.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

no time is a good time to talk about gun control

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Andrew Travise

“I think another issue is most people don't trust the government to regulate any fucking thing...”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“DON'T EVER APOLOGIZE FOR A JOKE! Especially with me xoxo”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

@Andrew - people don't trust the government, true. Bc as Lee just pointed out, the gov't isn't doing shit for the people.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

However, that's on us, as the people, to change.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“how ironic would it be if one of these shooting sprees took place at an nra meeting”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

Sheesh, Eleanor, when are you gonna start being defeatist like the rest of us??

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we just don't value other people's lives as much as our own, I think alot of shooters are very mentally ill and have had a lifetime of neglect or abuse, but on top of that it is normal in this society to take our pain out on others; deflect”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“and to it sexism and stereotyping and it is a big mess”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

@Lee - get me a bottle of whisky and some Beethoven

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Does anyone believe our problem is that killing on TV is perfectly normal but sex is not. A naked breast can't be shown but you can shot someone's head blown off?

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

El - Deal.

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Serena King

“Is anyone going to discuss the 'entitlement' issue?”

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“never give up your optimism Eleanor! :)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

I do think our flippant feelings on death is a huge issue

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

@Rachel, I won't :) I'm a hopeless hopeful

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“absolutely - violence is normalized in western culture”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“Lee thats the value change Iam talking about”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@Serena - I think that's a big part of it too. In this IV shooting, he clearly had a grossly disproportionate sense of entitlement, to everything from women to happiness - but without having to do any work himself

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Occupy - But perhaps it's that normalized violence combined with an upbringing that fails to teach kids right from wrong. I mean, we're not all killers and yet we all grow up with that shit.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“When I lived in Germany I hardly saw any gun violence on their tv shows. And they dont have the issues we do, although some make the arguement that the two can't be compared since the difference in size of population”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“i still say parenting is SO important, you can really mess some people up!”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Robert

“I do not think that any kind of "control" is going to help any of these "mass" events from happening. Taking the guns out of the scenario will not stop them from happening either.”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Nicholas - Maybe you just missed it, but taking guns out of the scenario would definitely stop them.

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“Our culture is based on competition, compassion and competition conflict.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Rachel - I agree. We'll never really know what his upbringing was like but apparently his parents made several calls to campus authorities and counselors in the weeks leading up to this event

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

What is competition compassion?

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“@nic so yr answer is do nothing”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

I think there's no simple one-step answer

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

Which sucks, of course, because it means that any solutions will take a lot of time and arguing to come through

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“Lee if they want to kill they will find a way”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“As a veteran I suffer from ptsd and a host of other issues. I think I can honestly say not having a gun anymore has saved my life.”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

Dennis - we just went over that. that's ridiculous. In mass stabbings, they kill FAR fewer people before they're stopped.

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“he may have felt entitled, but that wasn't his financial status throughout his life. He complained his parents didn't have money at times to buy him what he wanted.”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“being a self-centered society has a lot to do with it I think”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“no such thing as compassionate competition. Our whole culture is an oxymoron”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

and yet he had a BMW

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

I think it's a multimoron.

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“as criss rock once said ..make bullets a thousand dollars each and you would think long and hard before you shot anyone”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Barry - sometimes comedy is quite true.

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“posion cars as weapons there is a huge list”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Yes, Dennis, if I hear about one more mass poisoning by a teenager, I'm just gonna be sick.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

poison is a lot harder to maneuver as a form of mass killing

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

and he did use his car to try and mow people down, but the good thing there is that you can run out of the way

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“how does a self-centered society reach out to potential shooters in a way that makes them want to kill us less? everything we try just seems to make them want to kill us more”

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“I questioned why he lived so far from the school he attended. It's about ten miles to the city college from UCSB”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

having lived in IV, it's not a car friendly place

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

he wouldn't have killed many, if any if he just tried mowing people down in his car

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

So maybe he was just tired of looking for parking?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

@Kimmie - most college kids live in or around IV just bc it's a more fun place to live

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

the surronding areas are more dull

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am trying to imagine how much less effective charles whitman would have been if he didnt get a rifle”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“the whole culture and economic system needs a reboot or we are done”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Robert

“Look at the "mass" STABBINGS that just happened in PA. Suggestion...we need to stop making these sick people into media heroes. That kind of coverage gets these guys off, I think.”

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Nicholas - when you get a chance add up those killed by stabbing and those killed by shooting recently.

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

I think you might find one number lower than the other.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“I live here El, MOST kids DON'T live in IV”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

@kimmie - when i lived there, IV was 90% college kids. maybe that's changed but that's how it looked when i lived there

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

I know someone who tackled a maniac with a knife and they held him until the cops got there. He said "If it had a been a gun, we'd all be dead."

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Not surprising.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“The guns are never going away in the states so I think the best way to counter mass, random shootings in these times is to legalize cannabis throughout the entire country.”

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kimmie Dee

“Most kids are freaked out to live in IV. I used to have a radio show on campus as well.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

@Johnathonfall - I'm all for legalizing weed but that's not the answer here.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

It's 7:37 (in my hood) - we have plenty of time left. Tell your friends to join the conversation!

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“well if you're high you cant really aim”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“i got attacked by a homeless guy with a bicycle i was ok but it kind of startled me then i was fine”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Was he aiming the bike at you?

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeremy Aragon

“Who are we kidding tho, this conversation is already antiquated, the 2nd amendment is for noobs, mass drone killings coming soon...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

@David. Yeah, I was attacked by a homeless guy once with just super long nails. Again - scratched up and startled but beyond that, still alive

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“this generation that is too young to remember captain planet and too old for my little pony is scary as hell.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

@Jeremy - first of all, mass drone killings are already happening

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

secondly, the two are two different subjects.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

So maybe Chris Rock is right - Thank goodness these crazy dudes couldn't afford guns. They just used nails and a bicycle.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“do you own guns lee or eli”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

Not sure who Eli is but I don't own a gun, no. I've happily never even held one

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Barry - Nope. But I grew up with BB guns and shit. Shooting off the back porch. But never real ones.

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“of coming together to fix an issue, people like to use rhetoric to further split people on the issue to create more controversy”

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“sorry eleanor ....”

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“i was getting a bit lazy there”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

@Barry - no worries. El is fine too if that's more your speed. :)

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“cannabis vs homicide in CO: Notable reductions were seen in homicide (down by over 52%) http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/colorado-marijuana-sales-up-crime-down/”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

@Seth - I saw that too.

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Seth - While I want to believe those numbers, I imagine we need more time to be certain those are real.

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Seems like it hasn't been long enough.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

But to suggest that making weed legal allows us to not focus on the issue of gun control is dangerous

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

El - It does help us not focus though.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Yay, more folk devils!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I am torn by this whole debate someone I loved very much was shot and killed years back and the guy only got 5 yrs, on top of it my friend, the victim, was blamed by the police saying he should have contacted them sooner. it is such a grey area and”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

So it seems most people are not crazy about limitless guns everywhere. Does anybody have a sensible "law" they'd like to see. Or is it simply not making violence so common in media?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“one with so many culprits”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

Again, I think it's a multi-layered issue.

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I have never understood why so many who claim to support the second amendment choose to ignore the words well regulated. Maybe because it has millitias after it. But still, regulation is in that ammendment”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Tim - Absolutely. The NRA has won that battle by acting like "well regulated" isn't even there.

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“yep everyone should only be allowed to have super soakers”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Filled with ICE CREAM!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

I'd like to see more regulations on buying and owning guns. I think you should have to go through tests, background checks, and check ups - just like with a drivers license

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Imagine if everyone has super soakers filled with ice cream. Would there be any hate in the world? I submit not.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I agree with Eleanor”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

I'd also like to see less violence in media but I know a lot of game designers who like to argue with me every time I see them that violent video games shouldn't be blamed

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

I agree as well. I'd be for that.

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“lactose intolerant nazis would take over”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Seth - no, they'd be dead! We'd spray em.

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“Do like AUZ and ban semi-automatics and create really tight licensing & background checks”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“thats a world i want to live in....we would be fat as fuck”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“lol I am not sure how much love I would feel getting a blast of hot liqued ice cream in the face by super soaker”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“I think a full on class to buy a gun is good idea. I had to take a special course to drive my motorcycle...and in the military I had to take special courses to have access to firearms.”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“I think about non-violent video game premises as often as possible, here's what i've come up with: a firefighting sim. that's it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

@Carl - that's a really good point. Military goes through extensive weapons training

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

but emo elliot over here didn't have to go through any

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Carl - Exactly. All those things require classes and licensing.

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“i agree make a dr prove the person doesnt have their head up their ass before they buy a gun yay prostate exams”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeremy Aragon

“I have a friend that lives in Juarez Mexico, guns are outlawed there. He told me a story about having lunch in a restuarant when some guys came in, collected everybodys cell phones, executed some lawyers,shot em,paid the bills then bailed...”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Jeremy - he paid the bills?

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“@Eleanor you don't know half the training we have to go through to even TOUCH a firearm!”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeremy Aragon

“They did! Very generous of them eh”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

@Jeremy - I think the problem in Juarez is a government made up of drug cartels...kind of a separate issue

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“I did hunter safety training at 12”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“what a nice murderer picking up the tab”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

If you want to talk about places that don't have guns and are peaceful compared to places that don't have guns and are violent, I think you'll find the ratio pretty lopsided

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“no license required for making humans and really easy to get a gun = recipe for failure”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“And as I recall there was a 2nd class to the amo!”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Here's something to watch when our Tawk is over. it's my video on gun control - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=623e_R-8no8

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“ireland has 240.000 gun permits issued our pospulation is only about 4 million”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“sorry about the typo...i panicked”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

Love that video

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“you know what these shooters should've been enrolled in? orgasmic meditation class. orgasm cults are where the shooters will disappear to in the real future.”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Speaking of orgasm - why did no one ever teach this killer about hookers. We coulda saved a lot of lives.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

Ha - my friend brian brought that up yesterday too

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Actually, I think if some of these war criminals were getting more action, they might keep their missiles in their pants. It's a global problem.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“THANK YOU! I would've helped him figure the hooker thing out”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Seth - You're doing a service for your country.

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“did you check out that PUAhater site he was said to have frequented?”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

No, I'm afraid to ask.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

So, are we saying that men just need to have illicit sex more often?

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Christopher York

“I would have paid for the kid's hooker even....”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“unfortunately we live in a society where more emphasis is put on owning weapons than on mental health care. couples with easy access to weapons that were unthought of when the Constitution was written.”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“They don't like prostitutes”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“actually the over availability of contract sex might have something to do with the way "nice guys" feel "friend zoned"”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“It's crazy - I had no idea of all of these weird pro- men sites - scary”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“not me lol”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

Yeah, men really need to get a leg up in this society. Things are really stacked against us.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

@Tim - very true. And I think we also live in a society that still feels "seeking help" is either weak or unnecessary

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“@Tim Hayes...I would like to connect with you after this, you got a twitter handle? I am Vet and I got a positive on the PTSD test too.”

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

I love to see people meeting each other over our Tawks. That's fucking awesome.

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“there is one crazy site - return of the kings or something OMG - return of the caveman”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@Eleanor which is why we have so many mentally sick people out there. denial...”

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

That's why planet of the apes is coming out again.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

@Rachel, yep. Denial and lack of access

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jim Rose

“I think just maybe - part of the problem is we live in a society that finds no issues with showing gratuitous violence on tv, but does have issues showing two people making love. Somethings seems a little off about that.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I saw that alot in my time in a WTB unit. guys who had issues from being in combat not feeling there was anyone that they could talk to without appearing "weak". Until we deal with that, coupled with the ease of access, I fear the trend will continue”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

@Jim - absolutely agree

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yep we push violence and run away from true connection”

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeremy Aragon

“If we outlaw guns RIGHT now, do we eliminate the possibility of mass shootings happening?”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“@rachel - "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society"n- J. Krishnamurti”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“if you think yr guns will protect you from the government with drones and who knows what else you arent living in reality that times over”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

@Tim - I saw that too. Combine that with the lack of access for veterans to proper care - no wonder there have been so many veteran suicides

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

David - exactly. I find it hilarious the people who think they're going to protect themselves from the government with their guns. If the gov't ever decided they wanted to get you, it would be short.

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

You wouldn't be battling against a few cops with whistles. It would be a cloud of something. Ha.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“I'm hearing that we need to go from a nanny-state back to a cool-weird-uncle state”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

@Seth - we don't have a nanny state. We never did.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

We have a corporatocracy

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“im not interested in an arms race with the 51st airborn thanks”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

But I would be fine with a cool uncle state. If uncle sam could get his shit together, I'd be down.

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jim Rose

“but making gun ownership a crime only puts law abiding citizens at a disadvantage to potential criminals”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“from a corporatocracy back to a weird uncle state”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Jim - You missed the beginning. As I said, no one out there wants NO guns (or very few) and no one wants ALL guns. So your argument doesn't even make any sense.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

@Jim - while I disagree with the logic that guns protect from intruders (based on stats alone) - I don't think anyone's suggesting a full on ban on all guns

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

What we are suggesting is a helluva lot of regulation

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

The debate is simply over the size and shape of the guns and how they're regulated.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“@jim you don't make it a crime - you make it harder to get a gun.”

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from David Brooks

“@jim then why arent criminals flocking to states with high gun control”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jim Rose

“I was just pointing out that sure - guns as protection from govt is pointless, but the right to arms remains valid”

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Hey guys, this Tawk is almost over, but we're finally getting into it. Feel free to hang around and keep talking. We do this every Tuesday at 7pm EST 4pm PST.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

as the 2nd amendment and someone here pointed out, with regulation

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“guns should be made so big and heavy that it takes two people to operate it”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Hope you'll come by for the next one! ALSO - other cool things to tell you about.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

@Barry - the buddy system?

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

My new stand-up comedy special is at LeeCamp.net/standupspecial

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Matrisciano

“thanks it was fun, never been here before”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

It's only a $5 recommended donation. and it's a full hour.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

@Seth - come back next week and join us! It's every Tuesday at 4pm PST, 7pm EST

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

And check out his special - fucking rad!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Also, my new TV SHOW PREMIER is this Friday at 8pm on RT. It will also be up online so check my website. The show is called "Redacted Tonight". COME WATCH!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Awesome!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Go watch Eleanor's music videos on her page too!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yay!! can't wait to see it Lee! :)”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

I'm Facebook.com/LeeCampComedian and @LeeCamp on twitter

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

“Oh good - awesome - redacted tonite - love it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

And if you have ideas for topics, let us know!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Let us know!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Keep fighting, everyone.

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am going to miss next week to go to the Enchanted Valley but looking forward to another great Tawk in a couple of weeks”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“next weeks tawk ...ice cream guns”

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Tawkers AdminMay 26, 2014, 4:09 PM

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C.j. ParkMay 26, 2014, 9:44 PM★ Spotlighted

If we can prevent psychopaths from taking positions of power that would be good. But, how do we filter them out? Do we have enough understanding of the human mind and behavior? Isn't the human mind barely understood as it is?

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

i think people who want guns should have to undergo mental evaluation and should be trained on how to handle them before they are allowed to have them and not to give out permits willie nillie

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

The only way these type events will end is there has to be a value shift

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

should we go back to asylums?

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - was that the video that was on the news yesterday?

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

eli so how the bubbles was he allowed to have weapons and why didnt his parents take them from him

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

so are we talking solutions, or are we talking utopian fantasy?

Sinel ShivaMay 27, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXIFxjlSYts seems like a fitting song

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:05 PM

an end to consumerism would be a start

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

lee are u telling me you couldnt take something of a teenager

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:05 PM

lol

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

the utopia where we can get the bastards guns before goes public-rampage? trying to get a feel for where the discussion is headed

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

those scoundrels acting normal and shit

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

plus the fact that people just make guns if the law prevents them from buying..

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

in ireland if you want a gun licence you have to go to local police chief and he has to approve you for gun ownership i think there is about 240.000 gun permits issued which has to be renewed every 3 years

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

i need a suitcase nuke to protect my family

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:08 PM

what about bullet-control instead of gun control?

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

Make being famous a thing of the past, not something to strive for

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

If I have to take lessons and a test to drive a car, why not a gun?

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor I looked it up, that was the video I thought it was. From what I heard he had lots of issues. And the parents had made calls to his doctors and counselors making warnings about him.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

2nd chris rock, Lee Camp that's why we need a comedian on the discussion

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

musicians should always be seen as a suspect character

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:11 PM

so gun control doesn't work.. does crazy-person-control work?

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

Years ago, I studied for months, took tests, state and national, waited months for the results and that was just to be a licensed massage therapist that rubs oil on someone. But I can buy a gun and kill you no test, no waiting.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

so you are blaming women as the root cause of shooting sprees

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:13 PM

the way society views women does need to mature in a lot of ways, but it isn't going to happen overnight, and there are people planning to go on shooting sprees tomorrow.

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

It's not just women, it's everyone. This kid wanted to kill, plain and simple. Yes, there were many items in his videos and manifesto that spoke out against women, but he spoke about his parents, other boys having sex...it was all rooted in jealousy

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

I have never understood the reasoning for not having more regulation for weapons in this country. I lived in Germany and I never saw things like we see here not because no one owned weapons, but because there was more regulation on who could get one.

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

He claimed he was conceived on birth control, therefore not wanted since birth. It was a lot of woe is me. Hell, I'm adopted and married, clearly not wanted, not getting laid. You don't see me killing people. Just sayin'

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:15 PM

to much porn on the net is making some guys see women as just a tool of

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:15 PM

are view on woman definately give psycos an outlet for their agression like the sun of sam and such

Christopher YorkMay 27, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

Some places need the regulation more than others.... We have just basic gun laws in my state, a 40% gun ownership rate and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

The one thing that I will say...and I know it won't be popular...but let's talk about keeping mental health programs in place. All of these shootings have been shown to need mental help that was cut off.

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:16 PM

There is a campus memorial service happening as we speak, btw.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

He would still get a gun, it's the urge to kill that's the problem here, not the means

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

if these type of guys want to just shoot at stuff join the army...oh wait they screen out the nutbags

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, there's no such thing as Nazis, remember?

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:17 PM

u need to borrow a shovel lee

Sinel ShivaMay 27, 2014, 11:18 PM

Simply seeing a therapist doesn't mean anything. I think the therapist should have some say in whether or not their patient is capable of being a responsible gun owner.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:18 PM

oh big social media arguments over gun freedom now

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:18 PM

the term mass infront of the killing is what makes guns a problem i thik

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

Actually, Barry, they don't screen as much as one would hope or expect. Just watch the damage coming out on the exit interview.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:18 PM

yeah that is true, El, when they make it hard to jump off a bridge suicide figures go down

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Because people are quicker to remove the guns and blame guns...but look at these people, they need help they were not getting. And that ties into the whole VA suicide issue. Let's lock up all the guns, and let people that need help go on without it

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

Our Vets are the most abandoned with regard to guns in my opinion.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

someone told me it shud be mandatory 2 carry guns like that town of 8000 ppl in Murica

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

are they that stuck for new recruits

Andrew TraviseMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm sorry but i don't believe that more gun regulations will do anything...If a criminal wants a gun they can find it. Probably have the damn thing delivered to their door if so desired.

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

He could have probably done more damage with his car in the right place

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm still confused how this kid pulled off stabbing his roommates and getting away with it. All 3? Talk about premeditation.

comet demutaMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

Ahoys from down under. sorry haven't been around much, fighting the powers and all that. have to run but just wanted to say a big thanks for your awesomeness c: L*

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

When I got out of the army I bought a handgun for home protection. having it, I think, made me more paranoid than I would have been otherwise. I ended up getting rid of it when I went through a dark period

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

yeah I forget that trying-really-hard isn't a common serial-killer trait

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

why does gun regulation work in other countrys

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

Gun regulations will do something, if written up correctly. Calm your gun toting self down.

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM

but I wonder if having easy access to guns makes people with issues more likely to act out aggressively with them. whether to harm themselves or others

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM

Australia tightened their gun laws immensely and the murder rate plummeted.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM

exactly, camp, that's what I meant about jumping off bridges

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM

i think if i had to design then i had to machine work a gun for myself by the time i done all that i would be tired and wouldnt be in the mood for a shooting spree

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM

Not at all El. This town is gobsmacked by the history of this kid, to say the least.

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

He used both, guns and knives.

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

I am trying to remember the last incident of mass casualties I ever heard of from a mass drive by knifing

Andrew TraviseMay 27, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

gun delivery is regulated and so is the delivery illegal drugs but trust me...it happens

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

and it takes a lot more nerve to stab somebody that it does to shoot them from 100 foot away

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:23 PM

Agreed. My point was/is he was simply programmed that night to kill anyone by any means

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm heartbroken for his family, the other kids families of course and this community.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:23 PM

brb

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

Drive by knifings take lots of skill.

comet demutaMay 27, 2014, 11:24 PM

GUns = penis extension. Just another male domination tech driven by a desire to control and gain power. i wonder what the stats are of murders by women with guns?

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:24 PM

a car at 60 into a crowd does alot of damage

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

3D printers? Does that mean I can fix my boobs? I digress.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

was jesus jewish lol

Christopher YorkMay 27, 2014, 11:25 PM

Congress is useless, period.

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

After Sandy Hook we saw the NRA in full defense mode, preying on peoples fears that "Bama's gonna take away our guns" and sales of semi automatic assault rifles went through the roof. It isnt about safety, it is about money

Andrew TraviseMay 27, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

I think another issue is most people don't trust the government to regulate any fucking thing...

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

ah crap.

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

until are politicians work for us we will get no good changes

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:26 PM

Hey, a girl's gotta ask. Technology isn't my thing

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:26 PM

so how do people reach out to would-be shooters without compromising our swanky lifestyles?

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

DON'T EVER APOLOGIZE FOR A JOKE! Especially with me xoxo

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM

It's another election year, call out the politicians wanting your vote.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

how ironic would it be if one of these shooting sprees took place at an nra meeting

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

we just don't value other people's lives as much as our own, I think alot of shooters are very mentally ill and have had a lifetime of neglect or abuse, but on top of that it is normal in this society to take our pain out on others; deflect

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM

nra member shoot back, barry

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM

i think they would change their tune

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

and to it sexism and stereotyping and it is a big mess

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

never give up your optimism Eleanor! :)

Serena KingMay 27, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Is anyone going to discuss the 'entitlement' issue?

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

absolutely - violence is normalized in western culture

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee thats the value change Iam talking about

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:29 PM

I think the oversexualization of society goes hand in hand with the violent imagery.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:29 PM

well would rather you shot somebody in the face than walk around with a boner

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:29 PM

especially violence towards women and those seen as "weaker" in our society

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:29 PM

they

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

When I lived in Germany I hardly saw any gun violence on their tv shows. And they dont have the issues we do, although some make the arguement that the two can't be compared since the difference in size of population

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

i still say parenting is SO important, you can really mess some people up!

Nicholas RobertMay 27, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

I do not think that any kind of "control" is going to help any of these "mass" events from happening. Taking the guns out of the scenario will not stop them from happening either.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

Our culture is based on competition, compassion and competition conflict.

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

@nic so yr answer is do nothing

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee if they want to kill they will find a way

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:31 PM

how old was the shooter? (googling)

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

As a veteran I suffer from ptsd and a host of other issues. I think I can honestly say not having a gun anymore has saved my life.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

no such thing as compassionate competition. Our whole culture is an oxymoron

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:31 PM

even just for example the creation of a narcissist, those people were usually very neglected sometimes to the point of ditching their own identity and putting on their parent's or someone else's as a survival method, to get some kind of attention

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

he may have felt entitled, but that wasn't his financial status throughout his life. He complained his parents didn't have money at times to buy him what he wanted.

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

being a self-centered society has a lot to do with it I think

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

as criss rock once said ..make bullets a thousand dollars each and you would think long and hard before you shot anyone

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

posion cars as weapons there is a huge list

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM

of late, he had a BMW, but he was attending the local city college, not the university

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM

@lee - tru dat - but it's not only how we are brought up - who knows what switch goes off in someone's head and when?

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM

and maybe it starts with us stopping continuous war and violence, they see the government doing it and it can't be THAT big of a deal right? :P

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

how does a self-centered society reach out to potential shooters in a way that makes them want to kill us less? everything we try just seems to make them want to kill us more

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

I questioned why he lived so far from the school he attended. It's about ten miles to the city college from UCSB

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:34 PM

damn .. i would fucking murder you ...if i could afford it .....

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:34 PM

not if it's Kool Aid

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

I am trying to imagine how much less effective charles whitman would have been if he didnt get a rifle

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

the whole culture and economic system needs a reboot or we are done

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

Whole foods does it again.

Nicholas RobertMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Look at the "mass" STABBINGS that just happened in PA. Suggestion...we need to stop making these sick people into media heroes. That kind of coverage gets these guys off, I think.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

well you cant do much cycle by shootings

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

There was a kid, 2001 I think? Mowed down several kids, killed at least 4 if memory serves.

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

I live in Texas right now, sometimes I sit on the porch in the morning sipping my coffee and listen to the neighbors fire of rounds...nobody messes around out here because everybody knows, we all have guns.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

big up nicholas

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

I live here El, MOST kids DON'T live in IV

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

maybe he caught his wife having sex with a wiener dog we dont know

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM

A crazy lady in reno killed a bunch of people with a car

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM

YES Nicholas, they are being rewarded for these acts, by the media... so again, our system rewards all the wrong behaviors

Johnathonfall thethirdMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

The guns are never going away in the states so I think the best way to counter mass, random shootings in these times is to legalize cannabis throughout the entire country.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM

I think he was being sarcastic, Camp

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

Most kids are freaked out to live in IV. I used to have a radio show on campus as well.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:36 PM

yep stabbing are trough the roof

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:37 PM

oh yea - there was a FB page "Ellito Rodger is an American hero" People complained FB didn't take it down

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:37 PM

here here cannabis

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:37 PM

No, agreed. 90% college kids do live there, but not all! Not all want to live in IV

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

And then there's Westmont

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

cannabis an xtsy

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

ok the shooter was 22, right?

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

well if you're high you cant really aim

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

i got attacked by a homeless guy with a bicycle i was ok but it kind of startled me then i was fine

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

this generation that is too young to remember captain planet and too old for my little pony is scary as hell.

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

Who are we kidding tho, this conversation is already antiquated, the 2nd amendment is for noobs, mass drone killings coming soon...

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

ha ha

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

many kids DO live there, but MORE don't.

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

CAPTAIN PLANET!! I LOVED THAT SHOW!! :D

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

he picked it up and tryed to hit me with it

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:39 PM

omg David, that's a bit scary

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:39 PM

if guns can be restricted in OZ they can be in the US similar culture http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/14/america-mass-murder-australia-gun-control-saves-lives

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:39 PM

When I woke up this morning the first thing I saw in my FB feed was about how a "liberal" went on a "mass knifing". It made me think that not only is ease of access to weaponry a big issue, but so is the whole thought process where instead

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

do you own guns lee or eli

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

of coming together to fix an issue, people like to use rhetoric to further split people on the issue to create more controversy

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:40 PM

Idk Eleanor, I was tempted to drop a payload of liquid nitro on a meth dealers house last year using a drone...

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

sorry eleanor ....

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

i was getting a bit lazy there

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

cannabis vs homicide in CO: Notable reductions were seen in homicide (down by over 52%) http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/colorado-marijuana-sales-up-crime-down/

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:41 PM

dont go on a murderous rampage

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:41 PM

maby thats what the bible ment by stoning people that sin

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:41 PM

true

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:42 PM

aka a scare piece, El

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:42 PM

Anybody here in these pro gun debates how it is the fault of prescription anti-depressants?

Kimmie DeeMay 27, 2014, 11:42 PM

Thank you for the invite & opportunity to participate. Keep Fighting x

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

I am torn by this whole debate someone I loved very much was shot and killed years back and the guy only got 5 yrs, on top of it my friend, the victim, was blamed by the police saying he should have contacted them sooner. it is such a grey area and

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

one with so many culprits

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

I have never understood why so many who claim to support the second amendment choose to ignore the words well regulated. Maybe because it has millitias after it. But still, regulation is in that ammendment

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:44 PM

No novosti is good novosti

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

yep everyone should only be allowed to have super soakers

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:44 PM

mmm tasty

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

I agree with Eleanor

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

lactose intolerant nazis would take over

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM

haha

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

Do like AUZ and ban semi-automatics and create really tight licensing & background checks

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

thats a world i want to live in....we would be fat as fuck

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

lol I am not sure how much love I would feel getting a blast of hot liqued ice cream in the face by super soaker

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

I think a full on class to buy a gun is good idea. I had to take a special course to drive my motorcycle...and in the military I had to take special courses to have access to firearms.

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

I think about non-violent video game premises as often as possible, here's what i've come up with: a firefighting sim. that's it.

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

i agree make a dr prove the person doesnt have their head up their ass before they buy a gun yay prostate exams

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

I have a friend that lives in Juarez Mexico, guns are outlawed there. He told me a story about having lunch in a restuarant when some guys came in, collected everybodys cell phones, executed some lawyers,shot em,paid the bills then bailed...

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor you don't know half the training we have to go through to even TOUCH a firearm!

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM

I don't know. I spend time out in the wilderness photographing bears. Bears that sleep and eat near my tent. And I have never once felt like I needed a gun for protection. maybe its just me but we have let fear control us too much

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

They did! Very generous of them eh

Dennis OwenMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

I did hunter safety training at 12

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

no license required for making humans and really easy to get a gun = recipe for failure

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

what a nice murderer picking up the tab

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

And as I recall there was a 2nd class to the amo!

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:48 PM

Mass shootings in a country with zero tolerance gun laws.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

ireland has 240.000 gun permits issued our pospulation is only about 4 million

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

you know what these shooters should've been enrolled in? orgasmic meditation class. orgasm cults are where the shooters will disappear to in the real future.

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

sorry about the typo...i panicked

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:50 PM

sounds good seth

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:50 PM

LMAO @ hookers! Lee you rock dude

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

THANK YOU! I would've helped him figure the hooker thing out

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

did you check out that PUAhater site he was said to have frequented?

Christopher YorkMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

I would have paid for the kid's hooker even....

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

unfortunately we live in a society where more emphasis is put on owning weapons than on mental health care. couples with easy access to weapons that were unthought of when the Constitution was written.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

They don't like prostitutes

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

actually the over availability of contract sex might have something to do with the way "nice guys" feel "friend zoned"

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:51 PM

i went to a hooker and he put it in cider ..he thought that was a bit crap and his willy was smelling of booze

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

It's crazy - I had no idea of all of these weird pro- men sites - scary

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:52 PM

he went he went he went

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

not me lol

Carl DodgeMay 27, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

@Tim Hayes...I would like to connect with you after this, you got a twitter handle? I am Vet and I got a positive on the PTSD test too.

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

there is one crazy site - return of the kings or something OMG - return of the caveman

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:53 PM

occupy what about cosmo??????

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor which is why we have so many mentally sick people out there. denial...

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:53 PM

haha @lee -

Jim RoseMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

I think just maybe - part of the problem is we live in a society that finds no issues with showing gratuitous violence on tv, but does have issues showing two people making love. Somethings seems a little off about that.

Johnathonfall thethirdMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM

The kid's father was producer, responsible for the hunger games...what a demented man.

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

I saw that alot in my time in a WTB unit. guys who had issues from being in combat not feeling there was anyone that they could talk to without appearing "weak". Until we deal with that, coupled with the ease of access, I fear the trend will continue

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM

yawn...all men are scum

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

yep we push violence and run away from true connection

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

If we outlaw guns RIGHT now, do we eliminate the possibility of mass shootings happening?

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:54 PM

@thethird: that just means he grew up with daddy-issues LOL wait that's not funny

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

if you think yr guns will protect you from the government with drones and who knows what else you arent living in reality that times over

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

@rachel - "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society"n- J. Krishnamurti

Sinel ShivaMay 27, 2014, 11:55 PM

pic.twitter.com/Q62ytlNjXg lol

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:55 PM

Actually I wonder why their aren't more people cracking up

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm hearing that we need to go from a nanny-state back to a cool-weird-uncle state

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:56 PM

yes exactly Occupy, we need to admit that we are creating these people and these situations and the way our society is shaped is a huge part of that, along with parents - who grow up in that same sick society and teach the same defective, violent act

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

im not interested in an arms race with the 51st airborn thanks

Jeremy AragonMay 27, 2014, 11:56 PM

Cool weird uncle state! YES!

Jim RoseMay 27, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

but making gun ownership a crime only puts law abiding citizens at a disadvantage to potential criminals

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:57 PM

eleanor have you been at the funny cookies

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

from a corporatocracy back to a weird uncle state

Tim HayesMay 27, 2014, 11:57 PM

All gun owners are law abiding citizens. until they arent

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

@jim you don't make it a crime - you make it harder to get a gun.

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

@jim then why arent criminals flocking to states with high gun control

Jim RoseMay 27, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

I was just pointing out that sure - guns as protection from govt is pointless, but the right to arms remains valid

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:58 PM

exactly @lee

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

guns should be made so big and heavy that it takes two people to operate it

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

can we crowdfund a little-costarica style municipality somewhere to test out gun and bullet control?

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

most spree killers are more "spur of the moment" killers than say the true psychopaths like Bundy who don't get caught for years, there is a lot of criminology that comes into play here too it would be interesting to see what an expert would say

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

always enjoy yr media lee and eleanor ty ty

Seth MatriscianoMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

thanks it was fun, never been here before

Rachel McDonnellMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

great tawk eleanor and lee! :)

Occupy AwarenessMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

When r u coming to Vancouver @Lee

Barry HamillMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

no dont end the chat...i will have to go back to talking to my dog

David BrooksMay 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

i got my 5$ copy today

Rachel McDonnellMay 28, 2014, 12:00 AM

lucky Barry, I have to go back to work. :p

David BrooksMay 28, 2014, 12:00 AM

i still owe you a dime for the joke i told of yrs

Jeremy AragonMay 28, 2014, 12:00 AM

Regulation doesnt stand a chance in the wild west, NV,NM and TX, we're all armed to the teeth out here.

Tim HayesMay 28, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

I am going to miss next week to go to the Enchanted Valley but looking forward to another great Tawk in a couple of weeks

Rachel McDonnellMay 28, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

yay!! can't wait to see it Lee! :)

Occupy AwarenessMay 28, 2014, 12:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Oh good - awesome - redacted tonite - love it

Barry HamillMay 28, 2014, 12:01 AM★ Spotlighted

next weeks tawk ...ice cream guns

Occupy AwarenessMay 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

great tawk thanks - nice to meet all of u humans :-)

Jeremy AragonMay 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

Have you guys had a Tawk Topic regarding Monsanto yet?

Carl DodgeMay 28, 2014, 12:02 AM

I think we should talk about the VA scanda

Barry HamillMay 28, 2014, 12:02 AM

what happened carl

Ryan GriffinMay 28, 2014, 12:04 AM

Extensive evaluation should be a prerequisite of any firearms purchase but even that wont stop the problem. The problem is not so much with the means but the motivation. I think the motivation can in many cases be attributed to our social structure

Lee BolgerMay 28, 2014, 12:04 AM

I keep seeing meds and prescription drugs in virtually all mass shootings ect,are these drugs being manipulated within the human biology to create and inflate conditions resulting in these killings?

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:12 AM

Mass shootings are a symptom of a disease, not the disease itself. Guns having little or nothing to do with it. A car could be a weapon. Guns can be "made at home". We can't stop criminally minded people from doing damaging things.

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:12 AM

We need to address what factors in society lead to criminally minded people..

Sam LusaretaMay 28, 2014, 12:14 AM

I agree with Lee, if you have anybody in the house that uses pharm drug for mental issues; your household should not be allowed to have a gun

Sam LusaretaMay 28, 2014, 12:15 AM

Lee Camp fawkin rules

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:17 AM

The problem with that logic though is that almost everyone has a "mental issue" of some form to some degree that pharmaceuticals could potentially aid. Everything from add to ocd to schizophrenia. Where would one draw the line exactly?

Sam LusaretaMay 28, 2014, 12:19 AM

that would be the line....either Pharms or Guns, thats the line.

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:22 AM

So if a person had a condition that pharms might help sort out - but wanted a gun, it'd be better for them to not seek help or pharms and get the gun. ;)

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:23 AM

I'd rather people be open to seeking aid if they feel they need it be their issue large or small and find an even keel in life - without fearing that they might be institutionalized or have rights taken away

Linda DukeMay 28, 2014, 12:23 AM

There were no shootings when I was growing up 70-80's. We did not have brain changing violent videos. And negative music to fall back on. Do a shooting listening to Led Zeppelin. History teaches how to fix the future.

Jim RoseMay 28, 2014, 12:26 AM

At any rate, I don't much care for guns myself. Never owned one and probably never will. But I don't believe the problem will be sorted out by tighter regulations. That's all.

Kevin O'RourkeMay 28, 2014, 3:27 PM

The difference between being passing a test and being licensed to drive a car and gun ownership is that driving a car is a privilege and gun ownership is a right enumerated in the constitution.

Mike DwornikMay 28, 2014, 7:07 PM

Sorry I missed this one. The Second Amendment gang keep forgetting the words: "A well regulated militia".

Kevin O'RourkeMay 29, 2014, 3:29 AM

There are also the words "Shall not be infringed" But I guess the Lee Camp target demographic is only interested in "selective freedom".