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Art & Entertainment are Two Different Words

Aug 28, 2013

DB
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Aug 28, 2013

Kelly and Dylan are planning on Tawking about their love of language, their belief that great writing can change the world, and the differences between and the necessity for both art and entertainment.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:00 AM

I get so nervous watching that damn clock count down!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

It's until there's less than 5 minutes left that it becomes "REAL"

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Kelly Carlin · 12:01 AM

Hey Dylan!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

evening Kelly and Dylan!! :-)

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Kelly Carlin · 12:01 AM

Hey Lucy! Always lovely to see you here. And all of you who are hanging out with us today.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:01 AM

Dylan is here, and looks like he's typing something...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:03 AM

I think either Dylan is writing a novel, or he's in some kind of tech glitch...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:03 AM

hopefully he is rebooting or reshoeing or should that be reshodding?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

yes, but is he doing it on a typewriter?

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Kelly Carlin · 12:04 AM

Jordan - THAT might be the issue.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:04 AM

He's trying a different browser as we speak.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

he's just giving me a few secs to get situated since i was running late. it's all for me, really.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:05 AM

Yes, Kit, he's very chivalrous. And welcome! Great to see you here.
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Dylan Brody · 12:05 AM

Am I here now?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:05 AM

You are here!
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Dylan Brody · 12:05 AM

Hello!
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Dylan Brody · 12:05 AM

Sorry about that.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:05 AM

Isn't being stuck in cyber space the worst?
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Dylan Brody · 12:05 AM

Sometimes the hamsters get tired.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

You are feeding it enough?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

So, Dylan and I thought we would hang out here
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

and talk about what we love to talk about...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

ourselves.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

KIDDING!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:06 AM

Words, stories, language...
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Dylan Brody · 12:07 AM

You kid. I'm so vain, I thought this Tawk was about me.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

What a dramatic entrance...

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Kelly Carlin · 12:07 AM

I still don't know who she wrote that song about...james Taylor?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

It's never too early for proctology humor.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:07 AM

But, Mano, it can be too late for it.
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Dylan Brody · 12:07 AM

It was for me. I'm sure it was about me.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:08 AM

Yes. YOU.
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Dylan Brody · 12:08 AM

Hello, Kelly Carlin. May I call you Kelly Carlin?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:08 AM

yes, that would be helpful, since it is my name.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:08 AM

Shall we dive into some tawk about words?
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Dylan Brody · 12:09 AM

I'm pleased to meet you here in Cyberspace, Kelly Carlin, and particularly in this format. I have always felt that I come across best in text. By all means! Words!
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Dylan Brody · 12:09 AM

Language! The art, the craft, the beauty of communication!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:09 AM

Both our fathers are writers...is love of words genetic?
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Dylan Brody · 12:10 AM

I think to some degree it IS genetic, but I also think there's a modelling component to it all . . .
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Kelly Carlin · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

It used to be "a face for radio." Now it's "a voice for the Internet."

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Dylan Brody · 12:10 AM

. . .. my Dad used to sit and read to my mother the pages he'd written (long hand. Legal pads) about once a week. He wrote two hours every morning.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:11 AM

And mine would always be highlighting a word in an article...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:11 AM

definitions, usage, the poetry of it...
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Dylan Brody · 12:11 AM

He cared (and still cares) deeply about language. So I saw the manipulation, the dedication and the discipline that went into it all.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:11 AM

And of course, when the ear falls in love with language, it seems the rest follows.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Scott Sherwood

Do we have a subject? yesterdays with Rick was a little strange.

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Dylan Brody · 12:12 AM

At the same time, I know a woman named Jen Bricker. She has no legs (of course, you do, Dylan. Why wouldn't you?) and is an aerialist and gymnast. She's adopted. And in adulthood found out that her biological sister is an olympic gymnast . . .
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Kelly Carlin · 12:12 AM

Scott - we are here to tawk about language.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:12 AM

Oh, I LOVE that!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

i love that ..."when the ear falls in love with language"....

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Dylan Brody · 12:12 AM

. . . so there are odd proclivities that show up as genetic pre-dispositions.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:13 AM

I'm winning at this! Dylan 0 - Kelly 1
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Dylan Brody · 12:13 AM

Crap!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:13 AM

But you did use the word "proclivities" so there's that.
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Dylan Brody · 12:13 AM

What I meant to say was: Yes. The lilting, the lyrical, all that language can do is spark a fire in the head of the listener.
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Dylan Brody · 12:14 AM

What are you wearing? Wait. Sorry. Wrong window.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:14 AM

How young were you when you could hear your own way with words?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:14 AM

A nice lederhousen.
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Dylan Brody · 12:15 AM

Oh, very! My father tells a story about me doing a sleepover at a friend's house and him getting a call from the kid's father saying, "I just had the oddest experience. over breakfast I traded one-liners with an eight year-old"
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Dylan Brody · 12:15 AM

Mmmm. German Shephardwear! The world of post-steampunk.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:16 AM

I love it! I was a math & science girl in HS and hated writing.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:16 AM

Although I learned to read when I was 3.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:16 AM

I think I was scared to try.
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Dylan Brody · 12:16 AM

Oooh! When did you find your way to words? 'cause your stories are structured beautifully and the sentences are frequently elegant.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:17 AM

I wrote my first creative thing when I was like 22?
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Dylan Brody · 12:17 AM

Wow. I was writing from VERY early on.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:17 AM

I wrote a short story about a girl who wakes up in a world that is seemingly devoid of people.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:17 AM

I needed therapy.
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Dylan Brody · 12:17 AM

When I was eleven I told my father I was starting my first novel and in order to encourage that, he offered to pay me fifty cents a page. I learned from this that it is good to write very fast and very big.
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Dylan Brody · 12:18 AM

Also, somehow, he seems to have set that as my permanent rate.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:18 AM

So, you weren't intimidated by dad?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:18 AM

lol
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Dylan Brody · 12:19 AM

The theme you dealt with is a fairly common one in young writers and appeared on Twilight Zone and in a lot of sci-fi fiction. . . isolation is a really common image, particularly among the smart folk.
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Dylan Brody · 12:19 AM

@Jordan --- 64 Crayola.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:19 AM

Yes, MY invisibility was clearly feeling a need to be seen.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

What is that font size, Dylan, like a 48?

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Dylan Brody · 12:20 AM

I was both intimidated and encouraged by my Dad.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:20 AM

I suppose me too.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:20 AM

My dad was such a perfectionist toward himself, that I think I was so scared of that high standard.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

Who is your dad, Dylan Brody?

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Dylan Brody · 12:21 AM

He put himself in the position of arbiter of adequacy. When I wrote my first real novel (still unpublished) and showed him the manuscript, I was seventeen and he suggested that, while there was some good work there, I shouldn't show it to anyone.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:21 AM

Hmmm...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:21 AM

It is hard to hear that from a dad.
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Dylan Brody · 12:21 AM

@mano he's Alan Brody, Now teaching theater and playwriting at M.I.T.
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Dylan Brody · 12:21 AM

It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized that not only was his advice wrong . . .
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Dylan Brody · 12:22 AM

. . . but it was coming from a place of insecurity about his own work and his own career.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:22 AM

Am I the only one that feels like beautifully constructed sentences is way more sacred than the baby jesus?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

Is it that Brody character on Homeland?

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Dylan Brody · 12:22 AM

You are NOT the only one.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:22 AM

Jordan - he's an Aussie.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

Ha! You are not.

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Dylan Brody · 12:23 AM

@Jordan Yes. My father is a fictional character.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:23 AM

What the hell is that about? Why can words lift us up so?
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Dylan Brody · 12:23 AM

Words are the original magic, quite literally.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:23 AM

True.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:23 AM

Then there was the word.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

i have a friend that argues language destroys art

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Dylan Brody · 12:24 AM

One of the great powers of the druids was their ability to communicate through written language and sign language.
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Dylan Brody · 12:24 AM

Kit, I would say that language can serve art, can be an art form or can destroy art.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:24 AM

Yes, Kit, there is that aspect that holds that the written word has led to heirarchy, power over and the dis-enchantment of life too.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:25 AM

But then again, so can the VMAs.
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Dylan Brody · 12:25 AM

To the uneducated people of the time, to look at a post with magic marks at it and see what had happened years before when one was not around was profoundly magical.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:25 AM

And the democratization of ideas that written words can spread...
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Dylan Brody · 12:26 AM

(Let none of us forget that nobody gets to live happily ever after until everyone is disenchanted. This is the message of all fairy tales.)
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Dylan Brody · 12:26 AM

YES, Kelly! A thousand times yes.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:26 AM

I didn't mean it that way...more like the soul of life gone. But point taken.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:26 AM

Dylan 1 Kelly 1
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Dylan Brody · 12:26 AM

This is why the freedoms of speech and of the press are so key societal development.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:27 AM

And why the internet is such a force!
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Dylan Brody · 12:27 AM

While I like it that you are keeping score, I would like to point out that I am WAY less competitive than you. Way less.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:27 AM

Yes, you are and so are you...And yet, all this OMG LOL LMFAO would KILL my father.
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Dylan Brody · 12:27 AM

Such a force, and such a threat. It's why the mainstream media seek to find ways of controlling bandwidth.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:28 AM

My father was a conservative when it came to language in many ways.
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Dylan Brody · 12:28 AM

I suspect it would irritate him . . . and he would find a way of structuring a spoken piece comprised only of the abbreviations.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:28 AM

No doubt.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:28 AM

Now we'll have to do that.
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Dylan Brody · 12:29 AM

One of the cool things about your father, for me, as well as about Lord Buckley and Bill Cosby --
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Dylan Brody · 12:29 AM

one of the things lost in the 4-1 LPM ratio demanded of comics for TV time now --
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Kelly Carlin · 12:29 AM

Please, everyone who does not know Lord Buckley, look him up after the TAWK. PLEASE.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:30 AM

LPM= laugh per minute
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Dylan Brody · 12:30 AM

is that there were times that the cadence and the tone and the rhythm of the language carried the audience without the need for everything to be a joke.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

Are either of you familiar with Dave Sim? He wrote the comic book series Cerebus.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:30 AM

Mano - I am not.
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Dylan Brody · 12:30 AM

LOVED that little aardvark!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:30 AM

yes, they were musicians with language!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:31 AM

The Miles Davises of spoken word.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:31 AM

Look up The Naz by Lord Buckley.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Scott Sherwood

Personally I liked the "smell your own farts skit"

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Dylan Brody · 12:31 AM

I think -- and this really brings us closer to the original planned topic -- arts are coopted by the entertainment industry, they lose their breadth and become homoginized.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:32 AM

Scott - my dad was amazing in the way he could do it all.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:32 AM

Agreed Dylan.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:32 AM

And, I believe that this is ALWAYS what the culture does to evolve itself.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:32 AM

It takes from the edge adn brings it to the middle.
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Dylan Brody · 12:33 AM

Bob Newhart, Bill Cosby . . . even your Dad, I suspect, would have difficulty finding a public voice if they were coming up today.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:33 AM

My dad was not any kind of a Luddite, Mano. He loved technology.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:33 AM

Yes. But, I think in some ways there are other outlets...like story telling.
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Dylan Brody · 12:34 AM

Once popular culture embraces a thing, it then imitates and recreates it until it loses all edge.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:34 AM

Yes! And then there is a new edge.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:34 AM

Which we must cross as artists everyday to stay alive.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:34 AM

Or at least FEEL alive.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

kelly, i love how you see us evolving. it's so heartening to get those reminders from you.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:34 AM

Kit - I try, I really try!
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Dylan Brody · 12:35 AM

Agreed, Kel. But dig. Story-telling, in large part, used to have a place in the humorscape that was called stand-up. Now story-telling seems cutting edge because it's been taken out of the stand-up world which has been codified . . .
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Dylan Brody · 12:35 AM

. . . and those of us who tell stories, are told we're "not right" for the outlets the get stand-up to a wide audience.
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Dylan Brody · 12:35 AM

It's not the audience that has no interest. It's the gatekeepers who don't know that there is an audience.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:35 AM

Yes, there are now two camps definitely. And yet, the good stand-ups are really just telling great stories still.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Alex Stein

But don't you think there's a sweet spot for every artist where the commercial and the artistic can balance and reflect a true voice without being too self-indulgent?

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Dylan Brody · 12:36 AM

Not all of them, but certainly some of them.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:36 AM

Great point Alex.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:36 AM

I believe I search for the sweet spot in every way. I am PMSing like a mofo right now.
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Dylan Brody · 12:36 AM

@Alex, A) I hope so. and B) wait. You're saying I SHOULDN'T be self-indulgent? I need to rethink everything.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

no no no, the best ones ARE the storytellers! how can anyone not see that?!

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Kelly Carlin · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

But comedy in the written form is totally different from stand-up.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:37 AM

But the point Dylan is making is...
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Dylan Brody · 12:37 AM

Mano, I don't think they are totally different.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:37 AM

that to get onto the "comedy ladder of success" you have to have this 4-1 LPM ratio in the clubs and for TV.
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Dylan Brody · 12:38 AM

Kit, There are some who are simply not. Frequently a one-liner based comic is simply jumping from one goofy misdirect and punchline to the next . . .
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Kelly Carlin · 12:38 AM

Stephen Wright.
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Dylan Brody · 12:38 AM

. . . some of them are great! It's just a different style within the genre.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:38 AM

It's a style thing too.
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Dylan Brody · 12:38 AM

Also, there are prop comics (rarely my favorite).
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Dylan Brody · 12:38 AM

YES. Kelly, for instance, has tremendous style.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:39 AM

I could never, well, I suppose I could if I wanted to, do the set-up, punch line thing. It's a real craft in itself.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:39 AM

Thank you Dylan. My sweats today are made by small children in China for Old Navy.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

But when it comes to a 4 to 1 Laugh Per Minute Ratio, shouldn't a guffaw count for at least 2 laughs?

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Dylan Brody · 12:40 AM

Dammit! I thought you were still in Lederhosen. I didn't know this Tawk had costume changes.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:40 AM

ACT II always has costume changes!
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Dylan Brody · 12:40 AM

@Jordan apparently not, man. Apparently not.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Alex Stein

The problem with Gatekeepers is that they're always looking for stuff that's exactly like what worked before. But audiences want things that are new and have a voice...

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Kelly Carlin · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Alex Stein

And eventually the Gatekeepers will latch onto the wrong thing about what was once new & different and then spend 2-3 years searching for that...

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Kelly Carlin · 12:40 AM

Gatekeepers!
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Dylan Brody · 12:41 AM

This is where the intersection of art and entertainment becomes a problem.
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Dylan Brody · 12:41 AM

FIRSTLY, I think that all entertainment is art, it just doesn't want to take responsibility for what it says.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:41 AM

So, entertainment is controlled by the gatekeepers, and art is controlled by the artist's need to create?
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Dylan Brody · 12:41 AM

SECONDLY, entertainment -- by giving up interest in what is being said -- can become a mass manufacturing industry.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:42 AM

Fine. Dylan 2 Kelly 1
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Kelly Carlin · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

ooh, there's a point for Dylan, kelly

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Dylan Brody · 12:42 AM

Entertainment as an industry is controlled by profitability, not by clarity of vision or communication.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:42 AM

Yes, b/c entertainment is just about selling the stuff between the content, originally.
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Dylan Brody · 12:43 AM

So, the greatest mechanism for communication in history (TV) is used to tell the same stories over and over again, when it might be used for the exploration of new ideas . . ..
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Dylan Brody · 12:43 AM

. . . . dissemination of vital information, education and so on.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:44 AM

It and radio ONLY made content so that people would stay tuned for the ads.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:44 AM

No one saw it as a place for ideas.
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Dylan Brody · 12:44 AM

Instead, to sell soap and Xanax, we are told hourlong stories of the way in which law enforcement protects the good people from the deviants and half hour stories . . .
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Dylan Brody · 12:44 AM

. . . about how it's really just as well that everything ends up exactly as it was at the start.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:45 AM

Hmmmm....wasn't there some kind of Gov't act that protected people from pure commerical usage? Hmmmm...didn't Clinton DISMANTLE THAT and hand it to the corps? Sorry...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:45 AM

My communications degree is showing.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:45 AM

Yes Dylan!
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Dylan Brody · 12:46 AM

Sorry. I was distracted for a moment by the Pacific Ocean which is now radioactive. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rerun of The New Girl.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:46 AM

Ha! (I am now crying)
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Kelly Carlin · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

Who's up for some Bill Clinton Bashing? ME ME ME!

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Kelly Carlin · 12:46 AM

lol Jordan!
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Dylan Brody · 12:46 AM

And if you can express your sadness by saying, "Ha!" you are well on your way to a career in comedy.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:47 AM

Dylan - if you ran a network, how would YOU program it?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

so Dylan, how can we fix this circuitous numbing?

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Dylan Brody · 12:47 AM

If I ran a network I would find the people whose ideas I liked the most and encourage them to find ways to express themselves . . .
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Kelly Carlin · 12:48 AM

And some do that....
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Kelly Carlin · 12:48 AM

thankfully!
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Dylan Brody · 12:48 AM

. . . .If commercials were needed for funding of the thing, I would make sure that we advertised products that supported the ideas promoted within the content so that the messaging of the artists could remain undiluted . . .
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Dylan Brody · 12:49 AM

. . . . and I would hire a commercial sales force that was capable at pairing broadcast tproduct with advertiser.
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Dylan Brody · 12:49 AM

Also, I would have blow and booze in the green room.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:49 AM

yes!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:49 AM

And hookers - for all - even for the ladies!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:49 AM

It's funny, I see in myself having an aversion to Frontline and watching Project Runway instead. Self-loating then ensues...
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Kelly Carlin · 12:50 AM

Oh, I hate the trap.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

how many people actually have someone who encourages them to live their dream?

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Dylan Brody · 12:50 AM

My producer (now listening here) Alex Stein and I sat down after we recorded my radio pilot recently and the first thing we did was discuss how, if we sell the show, we will structure the company.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:50 AM

Nice.
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Dylan Brody · 12:50 AM

Life your dream, Lucy! (Now you do)
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Kelly Carlin · 12:50 AM

Lucy - THAT is so important. We all must create community for that.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:51 AM

And yes, here we are.
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Dylan Brody · 12:51 AM

(Whoops. Live. Live your dream)
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Kelly Carlin · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

i think tv sometimes gives us things to hate. okay, maybe i'm just speaking for myself.

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Kelly Carlin · 12:51 AM

All day long, Kit.
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Dylan Brody · 12:52 AM

Project Runway is an interesting example, Kel. Because, like a lot of the Bravo-originated competition shows, it is an exploration of real expertise and a genuine opportunity for ALL of the participants even as it is entertaining and competitive.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:52 AM

we are like lab rats when we watch TV. I remember that great bumper sticker - KILL YOU TELEVISION.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:53 AM

Agreed. At least I'm not watching Tiaras and Tits or what ever the fuck it's called.
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Dylan Brody · 12:53 AM

(I have a piece on the Miley Cyrus thing airing tomorrow on WBAI Pacifica New York on CCCP, a show that airs, I think at 2pm Eastern)
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Kelly Carlin · 12:53 AM

When I first saw that bumper sticker, I wanted to do just that, and yet, felt like I would be left out.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:53 AM

Nice promo Dylan, quite organic.
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Dylan Brody · 12:54 AM

I admit that when I see a promo for Double Divas, I hold my stack of unsold pilots and weep.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:54 AM

lol
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Kelly Carlin · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

It hurts, sometimes, to see the strings that are being pulled to control the puppets that control public response. Goddamnit, it's utter bullshit!

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Dylan Brody · 12:54 AM

Kel, that was a response to something over in the comments window.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:54 AM

I know.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:55 AM

Rebecca! So agreed. It can bring on despair, and I think that that is want they want. To have us give up.
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Dylan Brody · 12:55 AM

Rebecca, the secret, I think, is to recognize the things you wish to speak about and wrap THOSE ideas in the most beauty you can produce so that people will look at them.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:55 AM

Damn, another point for Dylan!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

or maybe when in despair, we will buy more shit, Kelly

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Kelly Carlin · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

my fav motto of the moment "believe nothing,question everything"

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Dylan Brody · 12:55 AM

I have a really depressing story called Democracy 101 that's really about the way in which we all live in a manufactured lie of a system . . .
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Dylan Brody · 12:56 AM

. . . . but it's also a lovely, nostalgic story, a call for greater education, a cool and funny metaphor.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:56 AM

OK...so let's turn this ship around a bit...
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Dylan Brody · 12:56 AM

It's designed to sneak the idea in under the radar.
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Dylan Brody · 12:56 AM

Yes, ma'am. Give me forty yards.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:56 AM

To end here...and this goes out to the whole group...
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Dylan Brody · 12:56 AM

END? Why must we END?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:57 AM

..all good things, blah blah blah......What bit of writing have you read lately that has given you aesthetic arrest?
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Dylan Brody · 12:57 AM

AMERICAN GODS!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

Did anyone listen to Kevin Spacey's speech about people wanting good stories above everything else?

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Kelly Carlin · 12:57 AM

American Gods...that is the piece of writing?
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Kelly Carlin · 12:58 AM

by whom?
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Dylan Brody · 12:58 AM

Neil Gaiman. It made me want to write again and read more of him.
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Dylan Brody · 12:58 AM

(Also, I urge everyone to read LAUGHS LAST, now available at Amazon and B&N online)
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Kelly Carlin · 12:58 AM

For me it's been prose by Wendell Berry about living on and loving the land.
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Dylan Brody · 12:59 AM

Oooh. Putting Wendell Berry on my list.
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Dylan Brody · 12:59 AM

Howard Zinn makes me drink.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:59 AM

And I have not yet cracked the Neil Gaiman I just got. I will this weekend!
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Kelly Carlin · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Suzanne Whang

"To the Lighthouse" by Virginia Woolf

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Kelly Carlin · 12:59 AM

hey Gook girl!
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Dylan Brody · 12:59 AM

Frankly, I'm a little afraid of Virginia Woolf.
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Kelly Carlin · 12:59 AM

lol - Anyone else?
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Dylan Brody · 1:00 AM

I've been reading a lot of stuff I was supposed to read in school but didn't. . . .
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Dylan Brody · 1:00 AM

. . . . Dostoyevski is hilarious and dark.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:00 AM

Oooh! Also, if you love storytelling - check out Ruth Draper - she was the Lily Tomlin of the 50s.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

Extra Virginity be Tom Mueller. Who knew Olive Oil was so damned scandalous and sensual???

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Dylan Brody · 1:00 AM

YES! Ruth Draper is great!
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Dylan Brody · 1:01 AM

Is she out on CD at all? Do you know?
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Kelly Carlin · 1:01 AM

And for me, I could eat the words off the pages of Wallace Stegner.
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Dylan Brody · 1:01 AM

I reread the first five Chronicles of Amber books every five years or so. Roger Zelazny.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i have 2 books that i am constantly reading - confessions of an economic hitman & catch 22

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Dylan Brody · 1:01 AM

Ann PAtchett's stuff. Bel Canto. Beautiful.
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Dylan Brody · 1:02 AM

Also, everything Sedaris.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Suzanne Whang

"Traveling Mercies" by Anne Lamott

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Kelly Carlin · 1:02 AM

yes - Anne Lamott makes my world go round.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:02 AM

So folks...
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Dylan Brody · 1:02 AM

I love Anne Lamott. And then she gets jesusy and I get bored.
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Dylan Brody · 1:03 AM

READ! WRITE! TALK!
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Kelly Carlin · 1:03 AM

But her Jesusyness is always with an open heart.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:03 AM

YES!
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Kelly Carlin · 1:03 AM

Cockwaffles and Sausage, by Suzanne Whang.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

Damn, that david seders.

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Dylan Brody · 1:04 AM

Oh, and get Alex Stein's No, Mr. Bond. I Expect Your Dreams to Die.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:04 AM

OK people! So, go out...read, write, laugh, love, eat, maybe pray, and do the bunny hop!
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Dylan Brody · 1:04 AM

The stories in it as amazing and the sentences gorgeous.
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Dylan Brody · 1:04 AM

are. Are amazing.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:04 AM

Keep writing your stories, Dylan, and we'll keep listening.
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Dylan Brody · 1:04 AM

Keep wearing the lederhosen, Kelly and I'll keep fantasizing
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Dylan Brody · 1:05 AM

xoxox ox (love and an ox to each of you)
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Kelly Carlin · 1:05 AM

And all you fine folks in the forum - THANK YOU FOR playing with us. It is always a great pleasure to hang with you.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kit Nowell

i saw the commercial for the film "The Book Thief" and now all i can think of is that book. i love that book

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Kelly Carlin · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

Steinbeck is fantastic too.

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Kelly Carlin · 1:05 AM

Buh-bye.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

I enjoyed Discworld!

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Dylan Brody · 1:05 AM

Thank you, kelly Carlin.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:36 AM

You're welcome, Dylan Brody.
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Kelly Carlin · 1:36 AM

Don't forget to twerk!