Lee Camp

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Eleanor Goldfield

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Feb 12, 2014

We'll cover anything you want! (Well, almost anything.) It can range from corporate pillaging to NSA to civil rights, and more. Let's fix everything!

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cynthia Emrich

“I want to discuss Obama;s prolonged detention and the FEMA camps”

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Welcome everyone!! This Tawk is all about you this week. Thanks for coming. Say hi to my amazing co-host Eleanor as well!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hello everyone! Thanks for joining us - hi Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

I was just going to spotlight that same comment

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

First things first - PLEASE post that you are here on your FB and Twitter so that we have more people join us!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

This week we'll talk about whatever you want. Looks like first up is Obama's detention policies which fucking suck.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

In short, indefinite

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

On the plus side cities and towns are fighting against NDAA

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

is there a site for that lee?

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

I'll find one

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

or just separate organizations working in various towns?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Didn't one state repeal it?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

not that i know of michael

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Here's one article about Albany standing up against NDAA - http://pandaunite.org/ndaa-albany-ny-introduces-resolution-against-ndaa/

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

They can't repeal it, but they can pass things saying they won't enforce it

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

there's also PANDA

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

people against NDAA

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

I love pandas.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

http://pandaunite.org/

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“New Hampshire did http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17590-nh-house-passes-bill-nullifying-ndaa-s-indefinite-detention”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

hahaha - yep, they're super cuddly

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

oh damn - go NH!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

thanks michael

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ya Panda jerky is delish”

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

We have one vote for panda jerky.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

in that case, we should put siberian tiger jerky on the list too

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

Considering it's the day to fight back - maybe we should talk about that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

https://thedaywefightback.org/

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

Eleanor - What is it????

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

(Playing dumb.)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

also, while you're tweeting to people to come join us, tweet #StoptheNSA

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

well, lee, it's a national day of action to fight against the orwellian style surveillance of the NSA and our corporately sponsored government

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

that we have the right to privacy

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

Eleanor, I have nothing to hide though!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

hahaha - i love that excuse

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Smash some public surveillance camera while we're at it? ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

under the constitution, not that anyone in government reads it anymore, we have the right to privacy

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

the NSA's actions are in clear violation of that

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Someday, the stuff we thought was "nothing to hide" may need to be hidden from those with power.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

meanwhile, people like aaron schwartz who blow the whistle on government corruption get thrown in jail and die...

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

And everyone has something to hide - they just don't know it. Everyone has made a mistake on a tax form or smoked a joint or sold a pair of underwear over Ebay that you said was worn by Brad Pitt.

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“YES! IT is a not a privilege but a right. And this dates back past the Bill of Rights. It's as old as the Magna Carta. So, our current policies have thrust us back into the effing dark ages. Clapper and co. have official gone Medieval on our ass”

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Yes, today is a good day to remember Aaron Schwartz.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

and even if you haven't - it's your right to keep your unicorn porn and your marxist books to yourself

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

And you know what else he proved - you can be one person and make a difference. You can be young and make a difference.

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“yep, i once picked up chewed gum chewed by the pope. i felt horrible afterward.”

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“can i just point out that its not just the NSA but GCHQ too that they are in cahoots with.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

And that when we do act, when we do fight back, the powers that be get nervous

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

bc they know the power of the people is greater than that of the people in power

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“yes they do see to be getting very nervous indeed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Until the call in Blackwater and Devcorp...”

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

This gets into internet freedom and the fight for continued net neutrality.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

they call them in b/c they get nervous

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Internet freedom may be the fight of our generation. Without it nothing else is possible.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

very true. all of our physical activism rests on digital platforms, as do our lives as this generation

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

““People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.””

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“As someone already fighting my internet company just to get the speed I pay for (thanks Reagan/Clinton deregulation), the death of net neutrality making it possible for them to charge me more for my sites is... >_<”

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

And the corporatocracy will continue to find ways to attack our online freedom. They're doing it through bills in congress. They're doing it through trade deals (TPP & TTIP)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

which obama just said today would help small businesses

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

what a crock

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

By the way Obama was asked about the TTIP (the Atlantic trade deal) and talked about it for the first time in public (I think).

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

He made the insane statement that it would help small businesses because they don't have the lawyers to trade effectively.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“This should piss off your average "I have nothing to hide" crowd. No net neutrality means Time Warner can make deals with websites willing to pay them and have their sites load quickly. Your cost goes up, your speed goes down.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“internet freedom agreed, its good to have a ever growing audience to connect with and share ideas. it will be a sad day if we all have to return to the underground.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

yep - as if small business owners have been connsulted on the trade agreement

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

consulted

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“To further Lee's point, that's bad for small business. How does a small business prevent their site from getting edged out by big businesses willing to pay providers?”

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Its becoming an Ayn Rand dreamworld... Privatize the Internet!! Privatize it All!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Well, we could always go back to what we were doing BEFORE the internet... Sit ins and molotovs anyone?”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

The only reason we know what's in the TPP is because Wikileaks has leaked some of the chapters.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

the problem taylor is that we are a digital world. we can and we do those things but we hear about them and share them through digital platforms

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

Democracy relies on informed people and the only way we're getting informed is from FUCKING WIKILEAKS.

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“XL Dissent': Students Plan Mass Direct Action on Obama's Doorstep http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/11-6”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

and how long will we have access to wikileaks?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Eleanor is totally right. Most of the organizing that enables quick response protests require getting the word out online. Don't think the corporatist elected officials don't know that.”

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“The idea of a global consciousness arising from is too much. At first, the internet was good for business. Now, it threatens it because power of the people can gain a voice through the internet. So now, it must be taken away.”

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

EG - fair point.

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

Unless we fight... Hm, feel like I've said that before.

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ Katie -- true, because with RSS Feed technology communication has become exponential. The Arab Spring was facilitated by this tech.”

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“Agree the net roks for informing, can't expect everyone to go Tor and below.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

fight, and keep fighting...shit where have i heard that before?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I spend most of my time organizing for reproductive healthcare access and our legislative wins have all been last minute, social media induced protests. We lose the ability to mobilize beyond the people in our speed dial lists.”

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“The Democratic process is dependent upon the people to vote for their best interest and not voting for who they think will win of the two parties.”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“even if wikileaks goes,something else will pop up in its place”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“**we lose the internet, we lose that ability”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ EG -- I think Pretentious Willy Wonka said it”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Smith

“Haven't they tried to take down wikileaks a few times? Wasn't that part of the whole anonymous HBGary thing?”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

Yes Paul.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

they've tried to take it down many times - but taking it down is one thing. restriciting our access to it is another

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

wow. restricting.

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

And they got paypal to cut off all money even though paypal will continue delivering to drug cartels or bernie madoff, etc.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

paypal is how i pay for my coke and strippers. it's super convenient

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“That's another reason the internet and net neutrality are so important. If we all have to get together in the same room to plan, shitballs are we easy to track, infiltrate and spy on.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Me too, E”

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Paypal is how I pay for music equipment”

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Eleanor's comments need a "like" button. (Yours too, Lee!)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

not to mention katie - that getting people together across the country in one room can't happen

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Sure, but we're mobile. And can use encrypted programs if we're susceptible to our plans being spied on.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

i mean, just this tawk - how many of us are in the same zip code?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

absolutely - and there are already encrypted messaging programs out there. the point is more that we shouldn't have to. it's our right to organize, to speak out, to interact digitally and physically.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ Katie -- we have the potential to be mobile with decentralized p2p systems, but by and large via PRISM and such, our electronics themselves are privy to malware. its a blessing and a curse.”

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Lee I was wondering if thats you that posts on the Public intelligence blog. www.phibetaiota.com or if someone else is doing that for you”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Our ability to learn from organizers, activists, writers, artists, anyone! in other cities and countries is imperative if we're ever gonna get this planet together.”

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

I've never heard of that blog. Sounds cool though.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

and now that this planet continues to shrink

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

By the way folks, this is your hour, you can take us to different topics if you'd like! (not all at once)

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

But EG we need a bigger planet for resources!

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Technology will always keep changing, and we can keep finding ways to be "ahead" of them... but at some point, we need to address WHY we need to be ahead of them. This is absurd.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

undeclared wars in countless countries, corporate pillaging of resources across the globe - we're sure as shit in this together

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Lee, I hear Mars is nice this time of year.”

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Its the shit. The founder Robert David Steele deserves mad respect. Pretty much grandfather of Open Source Everything. Wrote the Open Source everything manifesto and founded the blog”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

yes Lee. I myself was looking at Mars. i hear they found running water. bet it's better than pure life

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

You mean Mars the chocolate right?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

don't talk about chocolate around me Lee.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“E -- even if it's a little dusty, the water's probably cleaner than WV.”

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

I claim the rovers when we get there!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Topic: whether or not to target Snuffleufleguss at 123 Sesame St. because lately my metadata tells me he has been talking to the Count, who is talking to Oscar, who is talking to AQ... he needs to be droned. THoughts?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“I start getting resources by my child labor force. Who I then kill once they get too old. I bury them and wait for them to turn into oil.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“L -- bullshit. I'm totally beating you to them.”

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

If the NSA were using the data for those kinds of updates I would be ALL IN.

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“What about hackers hacking drones? How long til that gets used?”

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Did everybody see my video on the downed drone in Afghanistan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUUaJDNHlgE

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Watch it later.

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Did anybody see the supposed head of a statue on Mars?”

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Now THAT is not a topic I thought the audience would go with...

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“i'd like to make a recommendation about Lee's suggestion to use pussy images to engage with your audience, i didn't work for me i coped a good whipping for that one lolz i hope your sharing that one for brother c;”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“I am informed broceefus”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

pussies and heads of statues on mars

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Ha. I don't know if I meant full-on vaginas. That can be a little too jarring.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

this audience is fantastic

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jorge Forero

“Thas was a good one Lee...”

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

Thanks

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

you'll have to come up with guidelines on vagina image use lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“What is the difference, Lee... between a pussy and a full-on vagina?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

speaking from a medical point of view - the vagina is the actual inner corridor, so to speak

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

I meant using a sexy image, not one that would get you banned on FB.

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

People don't forward those around generally.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

pussy is slang for the whole piece i believe...maybe someone can shed some light on that....the topic, that is

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“I just wanted to use the term "full-on vagina" in a sentence.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee, take it away....”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i so hope the NSA has this on their hard drive.”

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

So we've learned that we let our audience helm this ship it veers toward vagina. ...I'm not disappointed in the slightest.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Topic: what do you guys think of Scalia saying that Japanese style internment camps of WW2 are a reality today and that you are "crazy" if you think it is not...”

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“What about the role that psychedelics play in the development of humanity? This is generally dismissed by western cultures...but I argue that the data in front of us suggests that there is much more here than credit is given.”

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

Psychedelics - what say y'all?

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Anything that is natural.”

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“ahrr flash back.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

I have nothing against them. Reginald - do you feel they're imperative for our evolution as a species?

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Just a reminder, if you could tell people on FB and Twitter that you are here right now, that will help, yo.

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“We need the plants of this earth to be, and create, our food. What if we need other plants of this earth to allow us to maintain our connection to the earth and to the energy.”

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“DMT. smoke it. meet geometric elves of love and watch unicorns pierce and massage your third eye. or something like that.”

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Gallegos

“Hi. I was wondering if anybody had a list of companies and organizations to frequent and those to avoid. Foe example no to wal-mart and Sam's club yes to Costco. your help would be greatly appreciated”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

Mark - get buycott

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

I know that Nestle is one of the worst - so if you need water and chocolate, etc. etc., try to avoid Nestle.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

It's a great app that allows you to see what socio-political issues a certain company supports and whether or not to put your money into it

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Coke and Pepsi are both not good, but I've only heard of Coke killing union leaders, not pepsi.

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“EG you beat me to that. hahaha. yes, Buycott is a good app. shows you all the parent companies.”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“anything koch”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

koch own a bunch of products - include Dixie.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

and they have their hands in even more - considering they back monsanto - they're practically flooding every aisle of the grocery store

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

If you're picking beer, get smaller local brands rather than the big ones. Coors is the worst. Bud is second worst.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Coors has largely funded the entire right-wing think tank machine.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

buying local, organic is always the best, if you can find it. farmers markets, etc.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Magic Hat is supposedly a better company than the others.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i have a dumb phone, so buycott's not for me so i just buy from an amish market near me and farmers markets. smaller local stores. resale shops for clothes..”

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“basically anything that is big brands,stay away from. go local.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

that's a pretty simple rule of thumb, lucy - good call :)

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

I've been on the Credo phone company for a long time, they're progressive and push progressive causes, but it's still not perfect by any means.

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“I just think our problems all stem back to human's general inability to comprehend the fact we are all equal and must work together. Psychedelics are a naturally growing plant that reinforces those notions.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

Indeed Reginald - the world would look a fuck ton better if we all understood we're just specks in time on a pale blue dot

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

but i suppose that's a more metaphysical and philosophical discussion...

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Gallegos

“My church is trying to come up with a list of companies to avoid and those to frequent for their fair treatment of emplyees and pay.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“I think our problems all stem from the fact that the American people are _______________________.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

Ignorant and apathetic, kathy. that's my vote for your mad lib :)

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

For pizza avoid Papa Johns. They are best buds with the Koch bros.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“uninformed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves: and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is, not to take it from them, but to inform

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

Thomas Jefferson

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

Education kills apathy

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Then we need to take Education into our own hands.”

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“apathy is strong and alive here. i spend all my free time doing this kind of stuff, and get hammered for it!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

Absolutely, Reginald.

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

I'll take that kind of hammering any day. Silence is a political stance.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

very true, Lee. It's complicity.

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jorge Forero

“Hey! Do you know about this guys? They are not here in Canada, but looks great... http://www.freedompop.com/”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

alternative forms of media, and again, using digital platforms like this one to get the message out, to spread truth and ideas

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Connie Baete

“I've pretty much resorted to avoiding fast food. They buy cheap GMO ingredients. Eat at home, eat better and be healthy.”

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“If i can quote Terrence McKenna "You do not measure the depth of a universal mystery with the neural network of a primate. We are not here to understand but to appreciate."”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“I dunno, understanding is pretty damn cool”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Smith

“How do we know which alternative forms of media to trust though?”

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Since we will soon be in a world that is fit with the tech to allow direct democracy - we could blink to make a vote - Is that where we should go?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

ones that aren't backed by big corporations with vested interest in the dumbing down of the american people

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

What if we had a world where everyone voted on everything?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@Paul, if hey can make a profit for reporting one way or another, they are not to be trusted.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

micro-chips, Lee?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

google glasses?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Da Jamster

“I don't generally participate here because I read very slowly. Is there a way to get a transcript so I can find out what I've missed?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

@Da, just scroll through and you can see the feed

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Da Jamster - Yes. The entire transcript is here after the tawk is over.

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

You can also scroll down (or up) right now to view things that were said earlier.

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Experimental Decay

“Non-GMO Vertical Farming. http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/vertical_farming”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“micro chips might be good idea, i could use it for excuse, wasn't me i got hacked”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“I would say yes, but I look at the people in front of me and do not know wether i would trust them with a vote. Sounds like a fast track to Michele Bachman.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

technology is a double edged sword

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“Online sites are only as honest as their journalists...right Mike? I like to research journalists to try to understand their true motives.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael White

“Lee, love the MOC, keep it up.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

Thanks Michael!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

kathy - that is a damn good habit

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“Technically, a double edged sword is technology. ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

hahaha joey, touche my friend

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“werent microchip talked about years ago? but people didnt like it. something about being controlled and the like. wouldnt the same be said now?”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jorge Forero

“I don't believe in vote. Only with "equal knowledge" some kind of voting system can work...”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Yeah, let's not put hackable computers in our brains. That sounds like a baaaad idea.

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“I hear a lot of ppl bagging others for talking bs. For me im glad that ppl are at least trying to engage, think we need to be gentle on them as they grow and learn.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

the human brain is already hackable enough as it is

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Experimental Decay

“Another topic. Human behavior and values in relation to environment.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpLAltlZRo”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Watch out folks, Eleanor is hacking your brains.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

shhhhh Lee

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Shit, sorry.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

If anyone wakes up tomorrow with a twitch, I'm sorry

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Connie Baete

“Giving the government and corporations control over us by putting a foreign object in our body with all of our information and the ability to collect data is what they want...that way they can control you.”

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

Or Rooftop songs playing on loop in your skull.

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jorge Forero

“We are already hacked! Some of us are trying to remove the virus...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

that and MOC episodes :)

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Oh, if that counts, then I'm trying to hack people constantly.

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“I just worry that we should be focusing on the bigger picture more... as if, anything shy of addressing the need to base our system on the fair distribution of resources and the equality of all humans...just feels like a bandaid....”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“One of the biggest problems is that we're all sitting here complaining about corporations controlling our government and oppressing us, but later I am going to go order a Jack Daniel's w Coke and put another couple bucks in their pockets.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i#d rather have Rooftop Revs playing in my head on a loop than Bieber tunes”

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Reg - That's true, but I also think that change rarely happens all at once. But there's certainly not much time.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

Joey - order a microbrew instead

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

It's all about the choices we make

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Who here is for the Zeitgeist idea of a Resource Based Economy?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

What we spend money on is a huge way to shift paradigms and push for change

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“ahr i've been hacked! and i love it. thank you all great ppl indeed, u give me hope!”

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“Agreed. I think people really have to start making sacrifices in what they consume and voting with their dollars.”

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

That whole voting with your wallet thing is pretty important.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

and it doesn't even have to be a sacrifice

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Well it is well past the point Gaia should have a place at the bargaining table if thats what you mean.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

hell, produce you buy at a farmers market just tastes better

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Experimental Decay

“You know i am Lee. RBE would ideal. Maybe to long term for people to understand how it will be beneficial.”

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ Lee -- I think it has a lot of merit. Scarcity seems to be something that is created, not natural. There is no reason why everybody can't be fed. I work at a restaurant, trust me... we throw out so much shit it is sickening.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

coke is fucking poison anyway - drink some damn water while we still have it

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“Yeah, Lee, I think it's really the only way we can all make a very big impact. You can complain about companies controlling our government all day but if you're giving them their lobbying budgets, you're going to lose.”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Yeah, the amount of waste in this country is insane.

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Never let someone tell you we don't have the resources.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

particularly now that it's illegal in many citites to give leftovers to the homeless

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“Luckly im so fuking poor that my wallet cant say shit lol”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“No shit we waste half our power consumption alone.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“How do we take back education? How do we get the message to the masses, when the masses seem content with Reality TV and new Restaurants....?”

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

We haven't discussed education much

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“Throughout history, the greatest threat to the survival of man as a species was nature, today it is our culture.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“EG -- yep, cuz regulations. fucking stupid. all to avoid lawsuits and shit. i dont get it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

digital platforms like this one, pushing alternative media that tells real stories, hi-lighting the corruption of our media and gov't

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Experimental Decay

“For people that don't know what a RBE is. Linke:http://www.thevenusproject.com/about/resource-based-economy”

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i would love to homeschool. if i ever have kids. education is archaic at best and detrimental imo”

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

I feel like all my real education came after college.

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“im studying marine biology online for free”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

there is a purposeful dumbing down of our country. educating yourself and those around you through alternative methods is imperative

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Connie Baete

“How do we get everyone on board with regards to Fukushima and cleaning it up. At the very least it will make pacific seafood inedible, at the worst it may cause cancers and other issues. haven't we learned from Chernobyl.”

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Buckminster Fullers notion that you need to just build a new model that makes the old obsolete... I think if we had a big enough RBE Community that was fully functional... but to get there....”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“There's no education like no education. Public school system nation causes slow degradation.”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

Reginald - that's true, you have to present a different view or people won't want to tear down the old.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

nice one joey.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“we regulate the wrong things, like "hey dont give that food to the poor" but when it comes to the rampant corruption on wall st. we are like "hey, give that free money to that already rich as fuck CEO slum lord"”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“Billionaires, not teachers, leading our education reforms ain't gonna work.”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

But Joey, don't just blame it on public schools. Private are worse in some ways.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“It's from a piece I wrote about our whack education system.”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

Perhaps most ways.

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Idk. I'm 21 years old acquiring a two year electrical degree and am going to devote my life to the spread of renewable energy. Kids have to be inspired first and foremost. Less Miley Cyrus, and Jersey shore.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

sometimes, yes lee. although i went to a private school and got a great education.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joey Flores

“Sure, it's less about the financing and more about the curriculum.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

public schools don't have a choice in what they teach

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

EG, I went to a public one and got a better education! So ha!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

like now, the texas board of education has taken mention of separation of church and state out of history textbooks

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“My granddaughters will never ever be able to afford advanced education...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

so yeah...jefferson? never heard of him

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@elanor. True, I just wish they wouldn't shut down creative thought so much.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

@Kathy - college education is another big one. we could spend less money by making college education free than by futzing about with grants and loans

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

College loan indentured servitude is one of the best levers of control for the power elite.

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“I gotta say, I wouldn't be in school if it wasn't for scholarships...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

and many people are like you, taylor

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Higher education should be free in the future if the student qualifies I believe. I mean shit it's free in cuba. I can't afford four years.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

that's why a lot of people join the military as well

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“In California, I remember before 1975, tuition was free for all state universities.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

to get an education. that's fucked. up.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Kathy -- Yep, then Reagan happened.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

the privatization of schools is an ever expanding process

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

I think a lot of the education has to come from parents and that's how you end up with kids capable of thinking and behaving outside the box.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Free public college tuition would actually be cheaper than the federal grant program.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“We're stuck, because our system is built on putting people into debt. We want out of Big Oil, but that would end so many jobs... We're just stuck. We can't advance and keep making new jobs....”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

Yeah, Katie, I read that as well.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

@Reginald - green energy would soak up all the oil jobs and more.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

It's not a jobs issue. It's a money and power issue

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“my mother and father and the outside world taught me more then school ever did.”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

Amen.

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Fleischer

“Classical education...Students need the full human history from many sources. Students need the ability to reason or to question from a base of mankind's lessons learned.”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“(Seriously, cheaper, btw: http://www.bestoftheleft.com/demanding_tuition_free_public_college_education_best_of_the_left_activism )”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Connie Baete

“Why do we even need to set foot on a college campus? Knowledge should be available to all for free on the internet from the colleges.”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Sexton

“Education is not about a career.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Didn't Tesla come up with that 100 years ago?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

yep Reginald - and then Edison stole it

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Right, Kathy, that's vocational training. They can be simultaneous, but they aren't the same thing necessarily.”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Hey folks, it's about time to wrap this up - but feel free to keep talking. You don't have to stop when we leave. You guys all rock.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“edison was kind of a dick”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

And make me happy to see there are some EDUCATED people out there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

wow, time flies

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Please join me for hourly news/comedy at www.facebook.com/leecampcomedian

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

thanks everyone for joining us and throwing your ideas out there!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

Great tawk!

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

And www.LeeCamp.net

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Eleanor can be found at --

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

You can find me and the band at rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“That is so true/ education is about personal growth, very good point”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

@rooftoprev @rooftopeleanor

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

As a closer, here's my new video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUUaJDNHlgE

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“https://www.facebook.com/TheNeptuneProjectComet”

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

Thanks!

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

Keep fighting.

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Tawkers AdminFeb 10, 2014, 10:38 PM

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Cynthia EmrichFeb 11, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

I want to discuss Obama;s prolonged detention and the FEMA camps

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:50 PM

Greets from oz

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:53 PM

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Real-preserved-baby-shark-in-a-bottle-jar-Wet-Specimen-Fetal-Pickled-Small-Sea-/261394013194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdc4c1c0a&_uhb=1

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:53 PM

www.ebay.com.au/itm/Real-preserved-baby-shark-in-a-bottle-jar-Wet-Specimen-Fetal-Pickled-Small-Sea-/261394013194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdc4c1c0a&_uhb=1

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:54 PM

Baby Sharks in bottles. i am constantly amazed by the actions of humans!

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:55 PM

apologies!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 11, 2014, 11:55 PM

We should talk about civil disobedience. Here here?

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:56 PM

I can feel the change, it feels closer everyday. how we engage and help one another is something im interested in.

Lucy DyerFeb 11, 2014, 11:56 PM

TPP,Keystone,TTIP,abortion laws,NSA - hello you lovely people!! kiss kiss! - net neutrality....to name but a few

comet demutaFeb 11, 2014, 11:58 PM

Thank youLee Camp and Eleanor Goldfield. i still have no glasses so if fall behind forgive me.

Lucy DyerFeb 11, 2014, 11:58 PM

ooo then you have bankers,bailout,oil and chemical spills.....

Lucy DyerFeb 11, 2014, 11:59 PM

damn i missed GMO's....mind you,so do alot of people

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:00 AM

hey you two!

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hi's

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Didn't one state repeal it?

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:03 AM★ Spotlighted

New Hampshire did http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17590-nh-house-passes-bill-nullifying-ndaa-s-indefinite-detention

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:04 AM

Does anyone else find it strage that Nanny-zones like New York and Cali are some of the loudest voices in opposition?

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:04 AM★ Spotlighted

Ya Panda jerky is delish

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:04 AM

this may sound odd, but i like slugs and snails c;

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:06 AM

Lee Camp playing dumb? NEVER!!! :-O

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

Smash some public surveillance camera while we're at it? ;)

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:08 AM★ Spotlighted

Someday, the stuff we thought was "nothing to hide" may need to be hidden from those with power.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:08 AM★ Spotlighted

YES! IT is a not a privilege but a right. And this dates back past the Bill of Rights. It's as old as the Magna Carta. So, our current policies have thrust us back into the effing dark ages. Clapper and co. have official gone Medieval on our ass

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:08 AM

Or have to flee the country, in constant fear of drones and other means of death...

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:09 AM

those really were his

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

yep, i once picked up chewed gum chewed by the pope. i felt horrible afterward.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

can i just point out that its not just the NSA but GCHQ too that they are in cahoots with.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:10 AM

awww but unicorn porn is my fav, other than preggo granny porn, of course.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:10 AM★ Spotlighted

yes they do see to be getting very nervous indeed

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Until the call in Blackwater and Devcorp...

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:11 AM★ Spotlighted

“People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

As someone already fighting my internet company just to get the speed I pay for (thanks Reagan/Clinton deregulation), the death of net neutrality making it possible for them to charge me more for my sites is... >_<

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:12 AM

Yes Lucy!!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:12 AM

Megaweb ftw

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

This should piss off your average "I have nothing to hide" crowd. No net neutrality means Time Warner can make deals with websites willing to pay them and have their sites load quickly. Your cost goes up, your speed goes down.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

internet freedom agreed, its good to have a ever growing audience to connect with and share ideas. it will be a sad day if we all have to return to the underground.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:13 AM

sorry I am late

Parry NattkemperFeb 12, 2014, 12:14 AM

American governemet does fear ots own people,thats why the are buying up all the ammunition.They said they need it for all their agencies target practice...its enuf ammo for the entire army in Afghanistan for crying out loud!

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

To further Lee's point, that's bad for small business. How does a small business prevent their site from getting edged out by big businesses willing to pay providers?

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Its becoming an Ayn Rand dreamworld... Privatize the Internet!! Privatize it All!!

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:14 AM

fear mongering is big business,ya know

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Well, we could always go back to what we were doing BEFORE the internet... Sit ins and molotovs anyone?

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:15 AM

Truth, Reginald. We're all going to have to move to Vermont where utilities are regulated and they're implementing universal health care.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

XL Dissent': Students Plan Mass Direct Action on Obama's Doorstep http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/11-6

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:15 AM

also i wanna point out before you guys stray too far off this topic,but its Safer Inter Day too.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM

True, but people managed to get peoples attention pre-internet. If you make enough noise, it's still possible.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor is totally right. Most of the organizing that enables quick response protests require getting the word out online. Don't think the corporatist elected officials don't know that.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

The idea of a global consciousness arising from is too much. At first, the internet was good for business. Now, it threatens it because power of the people can gain a voice through the internet. So now, it must be taken away.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM

Yep. and WL is stateless, yet the US has the audacity to try it's founder, Assange, for treason. Oh Uncle Sam. You are officially THAT guy.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM

Tor browser, definitely would recommend.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:16 AM

that should be Safer Internet Day.....funny thats its also the Day We Fight Back day too. coincidence?

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

@ Katie -- true, because with RSS Feed technology communication has become exponential. The Arab Spring was facilitated by this tech.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Agree the net roks for informing, can't expect everyone to go Tor and below.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

The Democratic process is dependent upon the people to vote for their best interest and not voting for who they think will win of the two parties.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

I spend most of my time organizing for reproductive healthcare access and our legislative wins have all been last minute, social media induced protests. We lose the ability to mobilize beyond the people in our speed dial lists.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

even if wikileaks goes,something else will pop up in its place

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

**we lose the internet, we lose that ability

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

@ EG -- I think Pretentious Willy Wonka said it

Paul SmithFeb 12, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Haven't they tried to take down wikileaks a few times? Wasn't that part of the whole anonymous HBGary thing?

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:18 AM

http://act.ran.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=9190

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

That's another reason the internet and net neutrality are so important. If we all have to get together in the same room to plan, shitballs are we easy to track, infiltrate and spy on.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Me too, E

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM

@ Katie -- but the irony is, the NSA has us right where they want us: online, so that they can surveil and suck up metadata and content. I think analog, in person communication is just as key, if not to stifle their efforts, also to enhance P2P.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Paypal is how I pay for music equipment

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM

well they have to get their priorities right,Lee. drug barons first...everyone else...meh whatever

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM

F the system

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor's comments need a "like" button. (Yours too, Lee!)

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Sure, but we're mobile. And can use encrypted programs if we're susceptible to our plans being spied on.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:20 AM

Exactly.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

I say before you buy anything from a corporation check on e bay and get it there. Most likely its a small business and you avoid the taxes in most case. Screwing the man on all kinds of levels

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

wikilinks will stay up on the .onion domains regardless.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

i'm not even in the same country,god damn it!!

Sherry BenderFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

10009

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

What is the Mein Kampf quote about how you enslave a people by taking away their freedoms one by one over time?

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM

Ham Radio Operators unite!

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

@ Katie -- we have the potential to be mobile with decentralized p2p systems, but by and large via PRISM and such, our electronics themselves are privy to malware. its a blessing and a curse.

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee I was wondering if thats you that posts on the Public intelligence blog. www.phibetaiota.com or if someone else is doing that for you

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Our ability to learn from organizers, activists, writers, artists, anyone! in other cities and countries is imperative if we're ever gonna get this planet together.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Technology will always keep changing, and we can keep finding ways to be "ahead" of them... but at some point, we need to address WHY we need to be ahead of them. This is absurd.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:23 AM

technology is an ever expanding thing. how long before we just communicate with our minds?

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee, I hear Mars is nice this time of year.

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Its the shit. The founder Robert David Steele deserves mad respect. Pretty much grandfather of Open Source Everything. Wrote the Open Source everything manifesto and founded the blog

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

I start getting resources by my child labor force. Who I then kill once they get too old. I bury them and wait for them to turn into oil.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Topic: whether or not to target Snuffleufleguss at 123 Sesame St. because lately my metadata tells me he has been talking to the Count, who is talking to Oscar, who is talking to AQ... he needs to be droned. THoughts?

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

E -- even if it's a little dusty, the water's probably cleaner than WV.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:24 AM

it takes 2 years to travel to mars....

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

L -- bullshit. I'm totally beating you to them.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

What about hackers hacking drones? How long til that gets used?

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

i'd like to make a recommendation about Lee's suggestion to use pussy images to engage with your audience, i didn't work for me i coped a good whipping for that one lolz i hope your sharing that one for brother c;

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

Did anybody see the supposed head of a statue on Mars?

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

I am informed broceefus

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

Thas was a good one Lee...

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

What is the difference, Lee... between a pussy and a full-on vagina?

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:27 AM

full on frontal and backal nudity. total undercarriage POV.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:27 AM

lolz yeah i live and learn....

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:28 AM

@elanor. I bet you're fun at parties LOL

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:28 AM★ Spotlighted

I just wanted to use the term "full-on vagina" in a sentence.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:28 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee, take it away....

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

i so hope the NSA has this on their hard drive.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:29 AM

Oh they do.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

Topic: what do you guys think of Scalia saying that Japanese style internment camps of WW2 are a reality today and that you are "crazy" if you think it is not...

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

It happened to my GF on myspace.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

Scalia is a full on vagina for saying that

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

Lots of 9/11 truth pictures of bush Way long ago.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

yeah dont let a bloke steer the ship,they'll never find the (G) spot to land....

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

What about the role that psychedelics play in the development of humanity? This is generally dismissed by western cultures...but I argue that the data in front of us suggests that there is much more here than credit is given.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

hay i think i did it quite subtle. the story goes like this: some friends are going around trying to pick up girl by using the pick up line 'im a conservationist activist' one of them showed mt a fb page for gilrs in tight, self portraits, 44oooLike

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

It used to be flyers on telephone poles

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

Logged on and everything with 9/11 truth and bush gone.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

now it's POTUS Pokes on Facebook

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

Personal info all there.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:30 AM

They are watching always.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM

anyone remember when you could throw sheep at each other on facebook?

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM

here here

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM

Yes.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Anything that is natural.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

ahrr flash back.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM

groovy baby YEAH!

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

DMT. smoke it. meet geometric elves of love and watch unicorns pierce and massage your third eye. or something like that.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

We need the plants of this earth to be, and create, our food. What if we need other plants of this earth to allow us to maintain our connection to the earth and to the energy.

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

Hi. I was wondering if anybody had a list of companies and organizations to frequent and those to avoid. Foe example no to wal-mart and Sam's club yes to Costco. your help would be greatly appreciated

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:32 AM

“LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have NOT taken it.” n― Timothy Leary

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:32 AM

Anything that goes through a man made process is a drug. If it grows on Earth and people want it illegal. Have to write a letter saying God is wrong.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

EG you beat me to that. hahaha. yes, Buycott is a good app. shows you all the parent companies.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM

They have to write.

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM

what's butcott

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

anything koch

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM

get the dairy free organic choc, it is truly awesome

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:33 AM

hi kathy!!!!

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM

I just wish they had a water filter that gets fluoride out. If they do have one does anybody know the brand or what?

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM

Hello Michael, my darling.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM

i went to my local store today,saw some nestle creal on the shelve,said quite loudly "evil nestle!"....made people run away! and leave the cereal on the shelve. my job is done

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM

didn't know that

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM

Abita Amber. From Abita Springs, LA

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

i have a dumb phone, so buycott's not for me so i just buy from an amish market near me and farmers markets. smaller local stores. resale shops for clothes..

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

basically anything that is big brands,stay away from. go local.

Joshua RichouxFeb 12, 2014, 12:35 AM

Magic Hat good.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:35 AM★ Spotlighted

I just think our problems all stem back to human's general inability to comprehend the fact we are all equal and must work together. Psychedelics are a naturally growing plant that reinforces those notions.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:35 AM

its not easy but its so worth it

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

Morse code and telegrams here

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

im trying to get TZM chapter here to help design a hydro food setup for ppl in their back yards. its going slow : /

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

My church is trying to come up with a list of companies to avoid and those to frequent for their fair treatment of emplyees and pay.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

I think our problems all stem from the fact that the American people are _______________________.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

i dont think anything is totally perfect

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

Agreed Kathy.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

Michael is perfect.

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:36 AM

lazy

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:37 AM

don't care about their future

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

uninformed

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:37 AM

DMT is a game changer, I can tell you from personal experience. Fits ridiculously well within the unknown fields of science. The shamans of the Amazon say the reason western society is so sick is simple. We have severed our connection with spirit.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:37 AM

Lee,did you see that papa johns exploding dough bin?

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

apathy is strong and alive here. i spend all my free time doing this kind of stuff, and get hammered for it!!

Paul FleischerFeb 12, 2014, 12:38 AM

John McAfee has had enough of excessive app permissions – introduces Cognizant - http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/02/11/john-mcafee-has-had-enough-of-excessive-app-permissions-introduces-cognizant/

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

Then we need to take Education into our own hands.

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:38 AM

The truth is nobody knows jack shit about what is going on. That is the message of psychedelics. You monkeys haven't figured out shit.

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

Hey! Do you know about this guys? They are not here in Canada, but looks great... http://www.freedompop.com/

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

I've pretty much resorted to avoiding fast food. They buy cheap GMO ingredients. Eat at home, eat better and be healthy.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:39 AM

Why is Herman Cain posting on my facebook wall? Secondly, how can he do that...he is no friend of mine.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:40 AM

The program is very strong in ppl minds, it is hard to break. even those close to me fall back into it....

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

If i can quote Terrence McKenna "You do not measure the depth of a universal mystery with the neural network of a primate. We are not here to understand but to appreciate."

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:40 AM

But i do see much good as well c;

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

I dunno, understanding is pretty damn cool

Paul SmithFeb 12, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

How do we know which alternative forms of media to trust though?

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:41 AM

through understanding we reach tolerance and then love which kinda helps us wanna be awesome to one another

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

@Paul, if hey can make a profit for reporting one way or another, they are not to be trusted.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:41 AM

@Paul - word of mouth helps.

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:42 AM

Only if every vote counted, Lee!

Da JamsterFeb 12, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't generally participate here because I read very slowly. Is there a way to get a transcript so I can find out what I've missed?

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:42 AM

You can trust Lee.

Experimental DecayFeb 12, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Non-GMO Vertical Farming. http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/vertical_farming

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:42 AM

@Lucy, Where I'm from, word of mouth is that Fox is reliable...

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

micro chips might be good idea, i could use it for excuse, wasn't me i got hacked

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM

really Taylor? then you need to find better people to listen to

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

I would say yes, but I look at the people in front of me and do not know wether i would trust them with a vote. Sounds like a fast track to Michele Bachman.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Online sites are only as honest as their journalists...right Mike? I like to research journalists to try to understand their true motives.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM

@Lucy, precisely. Word of mouth isn't the best option.

Michael WhiteFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee, love the MOC, keep it up.

Da JamsterFeb 12, 2014, 12:43 AM

Thanks Lee!

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM

I almost feel like the best thing that could happen right now is for the dollar to fail :(

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

Technically, a double edged sword is technology. ;)

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't believe in vote. Only with "equal knowledge" some kind of voting system can work...

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

werent microchip talked about years ago? but people didnt like it. something about being controlled and the like. wouldnt the same be said now?

Experimental DecayFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

Another topic. Human behavior and values in relation to environment.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpLAltlZRo

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

I hear a lot of ppl bagging others for talking bs. For me im glad that ppl are at least trying to engage, think we need to be gentle on them as they grow and learn.

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:45 AM

i am with jorge!!

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:45 AM

What will happen when our economy and dollar do fail?

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

Giving the government and corporations control over us by putting a foreign object in our body with all of our information and the ability to collect data is what they want...that way they can control you.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:46 AM

ok can u pls tell my brain to wake the fuk and stop getting us in trouble most days c;

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:46 AM

our brain IS a computer....of sorts. who says they havent found a way to "hack" into it already?

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

We are already hacked! Some of us are trying to remove the virus...

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

I just worry that we should be focusing on the bigger picture more... as if, anything shy of addressing the need to base our system on the fair distribution of resources and the equality of all humans...just feels like a bandaid....

Da JamsterFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM

Big Pharma has been hacking the human brain for decades.

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

One of the biggest problems is that we're all sitting here complaining about corporations controlling our government and oppressing us, but later I am going to go order a Jack Daniel's w Coke and put another couple bucks in their pockets.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

i#d rather have Rooftop Revs playing in my head on a loop than Bieber tunes

Paul FleischerFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM

I would guess that those who can afford are already enhancing their biological senses with tech..Sight, hearing and so on.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

ahr i've been hacked! and i love it. thank you all great ppl indeed, u give me hope!

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:47 AM

MKUltra Redux? The sequel always sucks.. step up yer game CIA.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

Aye.

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

I am

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

Agreed. I think people really have to start making sacrifices in what they consume and voting with their dollars.

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

I'm personally for an end to the Federal Reserve!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

Zeitgeist here. PJ ftw

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

one of my favorite topics!

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM

yes and no. would a combination of a few economy's work better?

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM

And the end of Corporations being considered people. Corporations are NOT people!

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

Well it is well past the point Gaia should have a place at the bargaining table if thats what you mean.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM

TZM yes like much PJ is very awesome as is JF and others like him

Experimental DecayFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

You know i am Lee. RBE would ideal. Maybe to long term for people to understand how it will be beneficial.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

@ Lee -- I think it has a lot of merit. Scarcity seems to be something that is created, not natural. There is no reason why everybody can't be fed. I work at a restaurant, trust me... we throw out so much shit it is sickening.

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah, Lee, I think it's really the only way we can all make a very big impact. You can complain about companies controlling our government all day but if you're giving them their lobbying budgets, you're going to lose.

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM

Here is an interesting document about The Zeitgeist Movement http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/orientation

Michael WhiteFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM

So I can't be the only one having a hard time accepting the Constitutionality of the meta data gathering. How far do you foresee this going, Lee? Forgive me Eleanor, but I'm unfamiliar with you or your work. Though I welcome your thoughts as well.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

Luckly im so fuking poor that my wallet cant say shit lol

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM

I am for an economy based on true cost economics.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

How do we take back education? How do we get the message to the masses, when the masses seem content with Reality TV and new Restaurants....?

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

No shit we waste half our power consumption alone.

Mark GallegosFeb 12, 2014, 12:50 AM

which i don't understand

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:51 AM

how would you calculate that, drew, and why bother? just help people. gosh.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

Throughout history, the greatest threat to the survival of man as a species was nature, today it is our culture.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:51 AM

unschooling

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

EG -- yep, cuz regulations. fucking stupid. all to avoid lawsuits and shit. i dont get it.

Experimental DecayFeb 12, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

For people that don't know what a RBE is. Linke:http://www.thevenusproject.com/about/resource-based-economy

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

i would love to homeschool. if i ever have kids. education is archaic at best and detrimental imo

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:52 AM

encyclopedic lack of education

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

im studying marine biology online for free

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

How do we get everyone on board with regards to Fukushima and cleaning it up. At the very least it will make pacific seafood inedible, at the worst it may cause cancers and other issues. haven't we learned from Chernobyl.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

Buckminster Fullers notion that you need to just build a new model that makes the old obsolete... I think if we had a big enough RBE Community that was fully functional... but to get there....

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

we regulate the wrong things, like "hey dont give that food to the poor" but when it comes to the rampant corruption on wall st. we are like "hey, give that free money to that already rich as fuck CEO slum lord"

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

There's no education like no education. Public school system nation causes slow degradation.

Experimental DecayFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM

and this may or may not ever happen. RBE material in schools. STarts with education. https://www.change.org/petitions/u-s-department-of-education-make-the-venus-project-and-books-on-a-rbe-resource-based-economy-standard-reading

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

It's from a piece I wrote about our whack education system.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Billionaires, not teachers, leading our education reforms ain't gonna work.

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Idk. I'm 21 years old acquiring a two year electrical degree and am going to devote my life to the spread of renewable energy. Kids have to be inspired first and foremost. Less Miley Cyrus, and Jersey shore.

Joey FloresFeb 12, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Sure, it's less about the financing and more about the curriculum.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:54 AM

People are too afraid they'll be standing in line for bread, that they're okay if some people get left behind... so long as its not them.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:54 AM

@ Reginald -- "the truth is a relationship" Bucky Fuller :)

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:54 AM

steiner school

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

My granddaughters will never ever be able to afford advanced education...

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

@elanor. True, I just wish they wouldn't shut down creative thought so much.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:55 AM

i left school when i was 15 returned and did a degree in design. when ur ready i believe.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

scroll down thereasa

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

i have a fiend and she has her daughter in a steiner school. she seems very happy with this.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

EG -- ya well texans also have more lions in their state than all of Africa.. they transport them to artificial wildlife preserves and then hunt them like a bunch of fucking rednecks.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

Or the larger issue that Capitalism and Technological Innovation are actually Incompatible Concepts....

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

I gotta say, I wouldn't be in school if it wasn't for scholarships...

Paul SmithFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

As long as your granddaughters have access to the internet they can get all the education they need. We're sitting here typing over a protocol that provides the greatest educational resource imaginable.

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

Higher education should be free in the future if the student qualifies I believe. I mean shit it's free in cuba. I can't afford four years.

Michael MicklowFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM

.. my point: cant expect much from texas.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

In California, I remember before 1975, tuition was free for all state universities.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM

ha their not getting the money oout of me, i dont earn enough to repay it lol, sad but true!

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM

military or mcdonalds??

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Kathy -- Yep, then Reagan happened.

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM

here they are gonna stop 6th form college. thats what you go to before university.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Free public college tuition would actually be cheaper than the federal grant program.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

We're stuck, because our system is built on putting people into debt. We want out of Big Oil, but that would end so many jobs... We're just stuck. We can't advance and keep making new jobs....

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM

All those wonderful people at Berkley with flowers in their hair...free education. They were no dummies...they took advantage of that perk.

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

my mother and father and the outside world taught me more then school ever did.

Paul FleischerFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Classical education...Students need the full human history from many sources. Students need the ability to reason or to question from a base of mankind's lessons learned.

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

(Seriously, cheaper, btw: http://www.bestoftheleft.com/demanding_tuition_free_public_college_education_best_of_the_left_activism )

Connie BaeteFeb 12, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Why do we even need to set foot on a college campus? Knowledge should be available to all for free on the internet from the colleges.

Kathy SextonFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Education is not about a career.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM

pron taught me so much lol

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM

Would it? What about the move to wireless, free energy?

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Didn't Tesla come up with that 100 years ago?

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM

You can't wire a motor control circuit at home...

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Right, Kathy, that's vocational training. They can be simultaneous, but they aren't the same thing necessarily.

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

edison was kind of a dick

robin ryanFeb 12, 2014, 1:00 AM

Interested in learning how 4-4 to 7-4 wave of action will look like.

Sophia BelitaFeb 12, 2014, 1:00 AM

bye guys thanks again

Katie KlabusichFeb 12, 2014, 1:00 AM

Thanks, Lee and Eleanor!

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

That is so true/ education is about personal growth, very good point

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

https://www.facebook.com/TheNeptuneProjectComet

Lucy DyerFeb 12, 2014, 1:01 AM

great Tawk Eleanor and lee. thanks

Jorge ForeroFeb 12, 2014, 1:01 AM

on education we have to stop to patch the old system and create a new free system from scratch and send our kids there... then we'll creating the new generation of really free thinkers...

Drew InglesFeb 12, 2014, 1:02 AM

Bye lee you pervert

William SuphanFeb 12, 2014, 1:02 AM

I'd love to see incentives on companies that hire locally, pay higher wages, etc. The more they give to their employees, the bigger tax breaks they get.

comet demutaFeb 12, 2014, 1:02 AM

Thank you all so much. Peace love and respect comet

John BlissFeb 12, 2014, 2:09 AM

Nice

Don CarpenterFeb 12, 2014, 2:45 AM

Lets have congress re-define the full work week to equate 20 hours a week(instead of 40). There is no reason that npeople should have to work more than 4 hours a day in this modern, convenient, technological society...

Timothy Almeida Jr.Feb 12, 2014, 3:40 AM

What a coincidence...I just ordered some coke and strippers through paypal.....

Cynthia EmrichMar 6, 2014, 3:05 AM

Hey Lee, how about discussing how doctors and pain management are getting and keeping people hooked on pan meds, like Oxycontin and Morphine, drugging us down with xanax and valium to the point no one really cares anymore except the next script.