Rebecca Westbrook Toker

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Can Open-Source Currency Be a Thing?

Apr 16, 2014·32 visitors

Jordan Birnbaum

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Apr 16, 2014

So, Capitalism. By participating (using national currency), we seem to be buying into an inherently inflationary system that ultimately serves to create profit for the entities that control the money supply. How's that working out for, oh, say 99% of us? Let's Tawk out ways to make it better!nnhttp://www.ttbook.org/book/dangerous-idea-alternative-currency

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Open source currency? Something like bitcoin? I like the idea of a resource based economy.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:14 AM

good evening party people!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:15 AM

Well, I think we can provide a good explanation

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:15 AM

Imagine this - you produce a certain amount of grain - say 20 pounds.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Sunshine

“What would define an open source currency?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“beats me, sam”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

sweet - Rebecca will be here in a sec

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“ahha yes lets :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

sol you take your 20 pounds of grain to the market and get a piece of paper indicating you deposited 20 pounds of grain

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Sunshine

“I'm all eyes;)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“greetings, earthlings!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:17 AM

then you go to your neighbors and pay, say, 1 pound of grain in exchange for a dozen apples

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:17 AM

the idea is that we can all see exactly what is behind the money

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:17 AM

Whoa, Sorry!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:17 AM

I got caught up signing a non-GMO petition!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

now bitcoin is this idea on a a more bullshit level

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

Hiya Becca

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

glad to know the non-GMO petition movement is keeping up steam

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“ok I think I get cha.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Thats key.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:18 AM

Hahaha!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

so the underlying value of bitcoin is the confidence that people have in its value

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

as opposed to a measurable good such as grain

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“how so, jordan?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

yep

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:19 AM

Which is, incidentally, the underlying value of...currency.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

of course, the same is true for cash. after all, it's only paper

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:19 AM

Yep.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:19 AM

or even more often numbers on a screen

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

I remember the moment that I learned that we have no gold standard.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“so you have to BELIEVE IN IT?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

It sucked.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:20 AM

Well - that's important, Becca

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

I was in a funk for weeks,

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:20 AM

People need to undwerstand the gold stanfard and the Federal Reserve

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

feeling like I was lying by using money.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

Yes, they do.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:20 AM

Zeitgeist, actually, gives a good primer.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

so if we're using the "grain" model, our currency used to represent it's value in gold

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“you used to have a gold standard.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

tru dat

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:21 AM

But...it doesn't just have to be a grain standard.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Sunshine

“Ahh I see well the grain idea sounds fair, bitcoin seems shady. ”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:21 AM

You can also go sell your apples and get a receipt for apples.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:21 AM

And trade apples for rocks and rocks for grain.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:21 AM

Or whatever.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

or provide haircuts in exchange for grain or apple credits

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“and wall street is just a game to create more from the people that lose on it.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:22 AM

Exactly!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:22 AM

We get lost, thinking we need to have a single standard - such as grain, or the dollar...

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:22 AM

I need a really good hairdresser, so I'm willing to throw in, like, 12 pears

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“you get out what you put in?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I think you speak to a effort based economy?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:22 AM

and we fallaciously assume that the dollar makes more sense than grain or apples...because...because.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“lets call it a co-existence.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:23 AM

Right.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:23 AM

Now - this is not a full solution - it works great in a pre-technology era on a community level

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Sunshine

“I like that idea, Charles eisensteins gift economy!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:23 AM

Right.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:23 AM

but it ain't getting you air conditioning or computers

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:23 AM

Right.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:24 AM

what technology are you describing, Kelly?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“because the psychopaths are relentless in their efforts to convince us.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“the technology is out there, look into carbon nanotube, nitinol venus project, so many others.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“it need to be emergent, not established.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:24 AM

If you listened to the "Dangerous Ideas" snippet, it's not about complete removal from the currency economy.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:24 AM

http://www.ttbook.org/book/dangerous-idea-alternative-currency

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:25 AM

But, yes - we can do MORE, with less.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:25 AM

And barter can't be taxed! So THERE!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes, we need to barter and exchange more.. utilize each other's skills and help each other out! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:25 AM

but with that being said, even our fundamental proposition behind our currency is absurd

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:25 AM

(I mean, it CAN, but it's harder to trace)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:25 AM

Yes!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:25 AM

it's based on...ready for this? NOTHING.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:25 AM

Especially with no gold standard!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:26 AM

It pisses me off!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:26 AM

So - how much does everyone know about the Federal Reserve?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:26 AM

Some.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:26 AM

I know that they "lend" currency to the US...at interest.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:27 AM

The US used to print it's own currency, based on it's accumulation of gold.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:27 AM

Which is what most sovereign nations did.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:27 AM

right

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:27 AM

But in one of the shadiest moves in Congresssional history

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:27 AM

Now it's all 1s and 0s.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:28 AM

Ethereal.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:28 AM

Digital.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:28 AM

FAKE.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:28 AM

the Fed was created during a holiday session with barely anyone there to vote on it

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:28 AM

Yes, it was.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“they are a middle man to extract more money from us, in the form of interest on the very money distributed to the govt. in the form of taxes we pay.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:29 AM

Nope, it is the much railed-against "central bank" that our forefathers warned against!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

The Federal Reserve is NOT a part pf the U.S. government

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“is that who took the money from our social security fund?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“so it's not a part of the US?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

it is a private, for-profit corporation

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:29 AM

Isn't that some sketchy shit???

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:30 AM

somehow, we gave the power to print our money to the richest men in the world, and then were forced to "borrow" it from them with interest

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:30 AM

Seems like indentured servitude to me...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:30 AM

Or, like an inherently inflationary economic system.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“what?? I never knew that! so they don't have to follow our rules? not like banks have many rules, but still”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:31 AM

I think the second or third largest recipient of our tax dollars goes to that debt

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“awful... wtf we need to break free from corporate rule, ridiculous!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:31 AM

it's madness

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:31 AM

Yep. And we're just paying the INTEREST!!!!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:31 AM

Oh my God, we are stabbing ourselves in the face!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“inflation built right in!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:32 AM

and then, when we went off the Gold standard, we allowed them to print as much money as they wanted, to drive up as much debt as they felt like

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:32 AM

Why are we SO STUPID?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:32 AM

at least the money supply used to be constrained by the gold standard

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“the very essence of "unsustainable"”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“yep”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:32 AM

But...now it's not.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“and the debt celien BS omg. that was all just not needed, and a play on the stock market hard.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:33 AM

because men with guns force us to

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

Which would be fine, if this were MONOPOLY...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

Not the guns part,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

but the FAKE part.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I HATE CREDIT. I don't understand it and how everything is based on it, I don't want credit. But the alternative is to just live from cash.. ridiculous!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“why do I care about FAKE numbers..”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:33 AM

But this is not MONOPOLY, and the guns are real, and so is poverty.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:34 AM

well, one of the most egregious things about our country is the combintaion of the bailout and lack of proisectuions for the blatant crimanlity

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“world bankers got into control of the mail 3 banks and screwed them hard, they fined the banks threw those guys in jail but it really hurt their economy.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“they got it going good again now.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:35 AM

Compare that to the LIVES of people whose homes go into foreclosure, who are squashed by medical debt, student loan debt, etc.,

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

bye kelly!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“fer shur”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“if only people would see that they have no problem playing games with our lives... why support that??”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

so what could we actually do about it?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“bye all.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:36 AM

Well, it would probably take a lot of money to purchase a big piece of land

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:36 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:36 AM

and invite a great group of well rounded people to come create a community

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:36 AM

Real Estate is a fucking racket.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:36 AM

But maybe we could Crowdsource it....

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

whereby as much goods and services as possible are available via a local currency basically equivalent to a series of IOUs

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:37 AM

Which, in my opinion, is a form of alternative currency.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

many of us will have to keep real jobs so we can still afford vital technology

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:37 AM

I love you all SO MUCH - and I really do hope we can make a commune someday.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i want it! i want it! i want it!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

but some of us will work exclusively in the community

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:37 AM

I mean, that's my life goal, is to create a sustainable community.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we can all pool our money? Tawkerville LOL”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“sounds good to me :0”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:38 AM

Well, in my vision, the centerpiece is a SCHOOL....

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

you don't need any money - just skill and good will

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:38 AM

SO, the school does projects that make cash.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

im down with that

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i don't have much money, but i have a lot of paint, and chickens!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes we need WIFI”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:38 AM

I have it all lined out, with a holistic curriculum and all that.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

post it robin

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:39 AM

We can sell produce, raise bees, provide services....

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I have plenty of textbooks to donate for a school! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“better get started.. i have a video you should all watch, if you havent.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

we should build windmills and solar farms and try to generate excess energy to sell

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:39 AM

But a major part is that the kids, once the go inot "high school" choose their own course of study, which will be authentic and project-based.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:39 AM

Yes, excess energy is definitely salable.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:40 AM

If we're installing anyway, why not???

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:40 AM

we need builders and maintainers,. we need engineers

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:40 AM

exactly!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:40 AM

AND set up the windmills.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo7ky1kq-Q&feature=player_embedded not gonna start a beginning. you wan to see it all”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:40 AM

obviously farming is huge

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:40 AM

And animal husbandry.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:40 AM

we need food, and we need to sell it externally

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:40 AM

But...it's not EVERYTHING.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:40 AM

Yes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“rebecca your husband can make us some awesome housing! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

What I mean by that is, yes, food is one of the easiest thigs to sell externally,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I'll cook! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“that is right up kelly's alley!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

and it won't take up all of our time/resources.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

We can do higher kinds of services.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:41 AM

we should grow hemp and make superior products

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:41 AM

Provide specialty services or custom work.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:42 AM

Hemp is a good investment.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:42 AM

open a spa for outsiders

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:42 AM

Especially if we let it seed out.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:42 AM

But we need our own internal specialists.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes!!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:42 AM

We need massage therapists, chiros, doctors, teachers...

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:42 AM

yeah, we need docs and medicine, and we ned a ton of raw materials

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we should get land in Colorado”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

that;'s why we need a billionaire to make it hapen

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:43 AM

NO, RACHEL!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“no doubt”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:43 AM

NO!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

our gain, Kel!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:43 AM

Colorado is NOT a good idea! There is not enough water!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

Robin - tell us about the venus project

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:43 AM

The water wars have already started!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“the venus project has many many ideas for all of tht.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

yeah - how are we going to deal with water?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“dam missed my ride LOL.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“no rich thugs”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:44 AM

Well, there are so many water harvesting techniques.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:44 AM

It's totally possible.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:44 AM

but not in Colorado or SoCal, for sure.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:44 AM

Don't buy trouble.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

where is a good place for this utopia?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“kelly, we are talking about making a community”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“water can be sterilized for drinking.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:45 AM

See Maggie Messerschmidt's Tawk - she does water harvesting.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

SETH!!!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“excellnt”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“right rebecca”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

how do they make ocean water drinkable?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:45 AM

We're (Seth and I) also getting into it now for the Farmer's Market development we're doing...learning about superior drainage and catchment techniques.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Came back from Aruba recently...100% of their water is from the ocean and it tastes darn good”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:46 AM

The info is out there!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:46 AM

FOr ocean water, you can catch fog in a net.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I saw a technology using a billboard to collect water out of the air, and alot of it too. pretty sure it was in a humid place though, judgeing from vegetations around.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:46 AM

I've always heard it's too expensive

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:46 AM

They even have billboards that do it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:46 AM

stup Fukushima

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:46 AM

Desalinization IS expensive...

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Desalinization baby”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“jordan, due to radioactivity, i think its impossible”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

But I have an EXPAT friend whose Dad is marketing an amazing desal/detox design.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

It's incredible.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

Anbd cheap!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

but won't the uber rich benefit from water shortages?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

He's selling to development orgs.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“oh ya then you can. it require alot of energy but carbon nanotube could solve the energy problem or nitinol.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

Wish I had a link, but I don't.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:47 AM

I'll get him on to Tawk!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“They've been doing it in Aruba since the '30's. Israel does it too”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we are so stupid with our water... they have been warning us about this for decades...”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

won't they make desalinating water illegal? like they dow tih farming?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:48 AM

Yes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:48 AM

They do.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“nestly OWNS our water, around the world.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“don't take my word for it, look it up.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“they been warning us about climate change for decades, too. are we making needed changes?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:48 AM

He is a dick, Seth.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:48 AM

Unacceptable behavior from a psychopath.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“True the CEO of Nestle is something that rhymes with a brick”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“He wants to charge everyone for water”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

plus, the system drives men mad

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

and women

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“WE need to stop supporting this crooked system and wake up and put out intention towards co existence.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:49 AM

hahaha.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“there is nothing worse than rich douchebags who sold their soul for FAKE numbers :p”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes, and he thinks thats reasonable, becuase we already buy water.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:49 AM

Anyway, so...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:49 AM

we've painted a lovely pie-in-the-sky Utopia.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“should lock them up instead of rewarding them”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:49 AM

BUT

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Well said Rebecca”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“breathing is unacceptable behavior for a psychopath. = D”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:50 AM

Back to Earth (I capitalize it).

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:50 AM

We can make strides NOW.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:50 AM

You and me.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:50 AM

All of us.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“bad spelling mistakes but you get the point LOL.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“teboon pickens, got a spot in texas to reach armicas biggest undrground augafir and sold it.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:50 AM

We can opt out in small and increasingly larger ways.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

I think it's going to take a massive collapse of the system

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

love it

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

You are such a sweetheart, Rachel! I hope to hug you one day!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

Kelly, 3D printing is the future!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:51 AM

so kelly - how long until we can "print" our own food?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

Ew.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

No.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I am building a veggie stand this summer, to give away FREE organic food when I have extra... :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“3d printing technology + carbon nanotube = new society of abundance IF done with the intention of benefit all.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:51 AM

Let's GROW our own food.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:51 AM

is there any soil left?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“How much to ship to FL Rachel?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:52 AM

And print replacement parts for the community Kitchen Aid.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

I do think that gardening is the MOST efective way to unplug and regain power

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:52 AM

There is always soil because there is always decay, Jordan.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“food production is important, look up permaculture, omega garden systems and aquaponics.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:52 AM

Yes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:52 AM

Wanna hear about my day?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“print a whol ebunch of 3-d printers from a 3d printer and give them away to people :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“water is the tough one.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“we should have a talk on gardening, food production”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

yes - Becca - you should start gardening lessons on here

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“can you create your own lakes or water sources? and filtration systems?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Maybe we could print GMO-free vegetables...hasta la vista Monsanto”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we need a water expert”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

yes - but that takes a lot of money to build

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I was going to donate it to an idea my friend had, the community shop LOL.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I have a 3d printer.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:53 AM

hahaha! Not me - i'm just zealous, not expert at gardening.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

you can interview an expert!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:53 AM

But, I did spend this tax day trading sweat equity for vegetables at my CSA farm.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“an easy reliable solar/wind power generator would be most excellent, as well”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

cool

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:53 AM

Yeah.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

what is nitinol?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

shweet

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“burn sage when weeding the garden, apparently it keeps away misquitos”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

ahh right

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I have an idea I want to try with nitinol that might be better.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:54 AM

Maggie Messerschmidt is a water expert.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:54 AM

She's also a gem of a person. We need her!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“nitinol is awesome.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“i'll try and find a water expert”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“memory metal.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

but is it as strong as Valerian steel?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

or as cool as a Hanzo sword?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:55 AM

Rachel - she has one on record. Go read it! It's great!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“it will go back to shape when warmed to I think 58 degrees and 55 ton per squar inch force.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

could it be that simple?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:55 AM

it can.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:55 AM

can we generate electricity from magnets?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes get her for a tawk! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“memory metal sounds cool, terminator came to mind tho lol!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Spin magnets with that force and blammo free electricity.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

copper coils can generate electricity? why isn't anyone doing this?!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Are you sara connor?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:56 AM

Seth made an earth battery in Honduras with 3rd graders. From trash.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“umm with copper coils yes.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“magneto?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

lol

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:56 AM

it's totally possible.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:57 AM

BUT

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:57 AM

It's measured in milliviolts. It's hard to run much off it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“thats how our world is run today”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“dude we are”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:57 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

so it's not viable on a mass scale? how about in an adobe house?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“oh yeah! I thought that Kelly! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“thats the whole idea of the electric motor.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“is that what the scientist Tesla figured out? about the magnetic field of the Earth?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:57 AM

Right?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

I think part of what has to happen, is we have to adjust expectations.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

It's probably possible to make enouch electricity for some things sometimes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

But not all the things all the time.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:58 AM

like timed showers and daily allotments of energy and no more lawns?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

Exactly.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

We can totally live with that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:58 AM

Yes, Robin!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:59 AM

That's what I think!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

I wopuld be so relieved to have some of those limits imposed on us

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Water current under the ocean can generate a lot of electricity and it is just starting to be used”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“oh hm”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“maybe we need to pare down the 'things'”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:59 AM

We need to find richness in community, in fulfilling work and personal growth...and do more with LESS>

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

at least it would signal a certain degree of awareness

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 12:59 AM

Agreed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

and it wouldn't be nearly as hard as people would fear

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

sweet

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:00 AM

but we want to dig our new homes into the soil

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“we can 3d print concrete.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:00 AM

Yes, we do.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:00 AM

Nope.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:00 AM

not exactly

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“nope, not that hard.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:00 AM

Sculpted from earth, Robin!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:00 AM

Look up cobb building!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“what we are doing right now is writing ideas from many of us, the one we agree on should be booked.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“see what everyone REALLY thinks.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:01 AM

Sort of earth ships.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

Dude - the Hobbits had the hippest village in town

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:01 AM

Right?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“underground?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“OH man umm whats that called.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:01 AM

And a hobbit hole means comfort...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“collaboration, kelly”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“like a hobbit home hehehe.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

Becca - can you post a link to those great p[ictures?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“'earthsips'?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

what?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:02 AM

Just google image cobb structures.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:02 AM

You will be amazed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i love earth ships”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“rebecca did a previous tawk on cobb housing... it is really interesting”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes!!!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:02 AM

Awesome, Kelly!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

but I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:02 AM

I will Tawk with you on process, if you want!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“cozy!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Umm you guys wanna know what?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“what?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“We MIGHT be doing a straw bale house this year.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:03 AM

THIS is open-source!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

thanks Jane!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“kewl kelly!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I can video and document it.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“umm maybe 3.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

OMG - I so want one

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“ive seen them. very cool”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:03 AM

They are beautiful, huh?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

when we buiy our land we build those exclusively

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I dont need money i need your times LOL./”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“oh yeah!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“http://naturalhomes.org/cobhouses.htm...wow”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“i will give you the plans for free .”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:03 AM

My CSA farmers are also Tiny House people.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“might be a lot better than the one i'm living in”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:03 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“sure...they are way kewl”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:04 AM

They built a small house on an existing foundation...from reclaimed wood.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“BUT, that might put the greenhouse till next year.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“if we do 3.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...cob hobs..lol”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“just go with the flow kelly, = D”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:04 AM

And...can you imagine?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:05 AM

Maybe that's out THING - we are a teaching community.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

so, does anyone believe that addressing our currency might be the key strategic move to trunging our society around?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:05 AM

People come to learn HOW to cobb build.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

yes - think about it -= that information ios currency

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:05 AM

I do think we can trunge our society through changing currency.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“nice i love recyceling stuff.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:05 AM

Let me tell you about something else cool!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

if you taught us how to build them, and we taught you how to generate electricity, and they taught us how to garden...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“older woods were better.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“we must get rid of money, at least the compitition.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“me to. l ove the satisfacti of recyclig”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:06 AM

Right???

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

knowledge for knowledge trades

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:06 AM

And someone cut our hippie hair and gave us all massages...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:06 AM

yay! Jane's in!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

I'm psyched for the masseuse

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:06 AM

My sis just did training.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

Aaron Swartz dies for that idea, Kelly

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

She probably won't move to the commune, though...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...i'm keen on the gardening part...i got skills”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

Wait, wait!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

So,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

there's this community that Seth and I are trying to move into for the short term

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“why is university pay for. put that shit online dammit.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:07 AM

And they have such a cool thing going!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i'm keen on the whole entire thing!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

(much easier that way, Jane. No one has become annoying yet!)

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“free education”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Ohh whos that?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“hhehehhehehe...building our imaginary community online...with people who've never met”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:08 AM

It's just regular people. They live in St. Elmo, Chattanooga.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:08 AM

But, we're on their email list serve.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

LMAO

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:08 AM

This is THE MOST together community I have ever experienced!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“wheres that?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

please, I know many of you better than so many people I se all the time

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Im all about john dewey with education is not a process of telling and being told but an active and constructive process.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:09 AM

They put out ISO messages that get answered in MINUTES!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“fish and relatives start stinking after 3 days...but people we've never met are A OK”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

was wondering who was going toi offer some

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:09 AM

They call for volunteers to help, offer jobs, offer merchandise, services, trade...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:09 AM

all within the community.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“if we are products of our environment.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Tawkers <3 :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“LOL cuz you see yourself now within us.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

bit coins for sell, great prices!! im me now for details

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

Bye Rach!]

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:10 AM

I am moving into this community, no doubt.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

that's amazing, Becca!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:10 AM

We're just looking for a house!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

nite

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“ok well lets wirte some philosophies down guys.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“i have to go but this was a great tawk! :)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

ready to crack some currency

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“sounds great rebecca”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:10 AM

Thanks for coming, guys!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“gn Jordan”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

gnite all! great Tawk. C U next week!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:11 AM

We always love to hang out with you and hear your ideas!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“To get the deepest understanding.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“to the most people for everyone.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Buenos noches JB, Rebecca and all!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I was thinking robin rebecca and we need another female perspective.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“g'nite seth”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

whatever the plan...count me in

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:12 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“and you know what, anyone else willing to.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“.gn Rebecca thanks for the invite again...surendity exists ...if only in our minds”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“g'nit all!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

Im going to eat some frozen yogurt now. That's my plan.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“me too!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:13 AM

Well, I wish you the best in your endeavor, Jordan!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

heck yeah - but they shojld wash in the stream

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“LMAO”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“and rick too”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:13 AM

there was a plan?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“the plan was just stated rick.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:13 AM

I think we all have to take a shift with laundry. No one likes it, we should share it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“= D”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

democracy, huh?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

i have laundry

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“we need laudry doers”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

may the yogurt be with you

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“to write new philosopies for todays world, by many people coming together on one idea, to come to an agreement.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“to benefit all people.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“stress for success!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:14 AM

Fairness: it's not about everyone getting the same, but everyone getting what he/she needs.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“but dont give it that label.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“its emergent, like time.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i like it.. as long as its not a washboard”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

my laundry is four blocks away

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:14 AM

And we all need to only have to do laundry once a month!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:15 AM

No, no - we take shifts washing laundry.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

yes

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“the ideas must reflect how they will eventually become a straitjacket.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“wut kelly”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:15 AM

So we only get tapped once a month.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

puppets make money

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

i can't carry a month's worth of clothes

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i don t have that many clothes, rebecca =0”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:15 AM

Laundry is my straitjacket right now.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“money WAS a good idea, but now it has control, its our straitjacket right now.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

money makes puppets

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:16 AM

We can do it, we just have to cooperate. Collaborate.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

you betcha

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“we need a new idea.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“resource based economy.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“good idea!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“LOL both of you are right.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i can make puppets!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“can you see how?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

very true

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:17 AM

yep.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Theresa Swart

“all the lands have something to give”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:17 AM

So we have to change our minds.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Theresa Swart

“they just need to learn how to share”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

an increasingly risky proposition, the future

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes, we do have to”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Theresa Swart

“money is the end”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“honestly, money is not the biggest problem, our behavior is.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:17 AM

We have to expect less conveniece.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“if we want to see a futur.e”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

We could actually decide to give up some comfort NOW to avoid catastrophe...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

I will!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“definite, jordan”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

Me, too!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

K - gnite for real this time

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

love to all!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

I love Chris hedges!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

Yes, good night!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

You are all wonderful!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“For a brief time rebecca”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

Thanks for being here!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“oh yes.. PLEASE EVERYONE WATCH THAT VIDEO OF CHRIS HEDGES I POSTED.!!!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

Thanks for hanging out, Jordan!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

I second all of that

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:18 AM

See you next week!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

;-)

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yay!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“alrighty!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“ok. g'nite, j”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“once people really realize what they are capable of and we do start to come together with ideas and grow, lets just say, I cannot even imagine it yet but it will be awesome.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“nitey nite, rebecca!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“thank you for being here too!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“ya thanks for the talk.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

g'night

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“cuz I am you and you are me LOL.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“we love us all :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“we do!!”

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Scott EskewApr 15, 2014, 2:18 AM

Hi! , New to Tawkers... Ai I the only register so far,, if so, Cool !! Please respond in kind.... : )

Scott EskewApr 15, 2014, 2:20 AM

I'm hitting the "Remind Me" button on the left for upcoming "Tawk" on Open Source Currency.... Sounds very interesting....

kelly mackinApr 15, 2014, 7:10 PM★ Spotlighted

Open source currency? Something like bitcoin? I like the idea of a resource based economy.

Apprentice VinbeazelApr 16, 2014, 12:05 AM

Is there a call-in number??

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:10 AM

nope

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:11 AM

its is purely text

Apprentice VinbeazelApr 16, 2014, 12:12 AM

I prefer talkradio - a face for radio!

Sam SunshineApr 16, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

What would define an open source currency?

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:13 AM

well, you should try this out. i sure like it. espcecially when it is rebecca and jordan

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

beats me, sam

Sam SunshineApr 16, 2014, 12:15 AM

Good evening kind sir:)

Sam SunshineApr 16, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm all eyes;)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

ahha yes lets :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

greetings, earthlings!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:16 AM

lol

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:16 AM

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

ok I think I get cha.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:17 AM

yep

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Thats key.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:17 AM

hiya rebecca

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:18 AM

hehehe nice

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:18 AM

yes

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:18 AM

bitcoin pfft.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:18 AM

shitcoil.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

how so, jordan?

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

so you have to BELIEVE IN IT?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:19 AM

and then your hd screws up you lose it LOL.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:19 AM

i'm no good at beleving

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:19 AM

money isnt paper anymore

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:20 AM

they only have a few 5 printed.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:20 AM

digital, eh, kelly?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:20 AM

dam percent LOl

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

you used to have a gold standard.

Sam SunshineApr 16, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Ahh I see well the grain idea sounds fair, bitcoin seems shady.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

and wall street is just a game to create more from the people that lose on it.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:21 AM

totally.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

I think you speak to a effort based economy?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:21 AM

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

you get out what you put in?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

lets call it a co-existence.

Sam SunshineApr 16, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

I like that idea, Charles eisensteins gift economy!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

it need to be emergent, not established.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

because the psychopaths are relentless in their efforts to convince us.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

the technology is out there, look into carbon nanotube, nitinol venus project, so many others.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:24 AM

the goals should be about benefiting everyone and with equality.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

yes, we need to barter and exchange more.. utilize each other's skills and help each other out! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:25 AM

nitinol is memory metal, it takes one shape at 55 ton per square inch force with not much temperature differece.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:25 AM

HHO is something we just made and it makes fuel from water.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:25 AM

with electricity.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

and replacing one token economy for another will just lead to the same corruption. I think we need to evolve past the idea of money altogether...

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

no more money, resource based.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

yep fed sucks.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

enough to despise it =D

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

not much at all, except it's a thief

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

i know it pretty decently.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

is that who took the money from our social security fund?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM

yep

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM

its all base on the 10% rule.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

so it's not a part of the US?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM

debt is money.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

they are a middle man to extract more money from us, in the form of interest on the very money distributed to the govt. in the form of taxes we pay.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:28 AM

the world banks are in MOST countries.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:28 AM

its not just america, but you get the credit cuz that where it started.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:28 AM

well kinda.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:28 AM

the power shift.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

what?? I never knew that! so they don't have to follow our rules? not like banks have many rules, but still

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

awful... wtf we need to break free from corporate rule, ridiculous!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:30 AM

exactly Rebeeca, when Kelly said "debt is money" I thought.. Debt is free labor... :/

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

inflation built right in!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

yep

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

the very essence of "unsustainable"

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

and the debt celien BS omg. that was all just not needed, and a play on the stock market hard.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

I HATE CREDIT. I don't understand it and how everything is based on it, I don't want credit. But the alternative is to just live from cash.. ridiculous!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:32 AM

they all sold dow hard then ought it agian low.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:32 AM

look at iceland.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:32 AM

excellent question

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

why do I care about FAKE numbers..

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:33 AM

@Kelly I want to move to Iceland! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

world bankers got into control of the mail 3 banks and screwed them hard, they fined the banks threw those guys in jail but it really hurt their economy.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

they got it going good again now.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

fer shur

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

if only people would see that they have no problem playing games with our lives... why support that??

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:34 AM

I gotta go guys, sorry, its for the protest.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:34 AM

see ya kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:35 AM★ Spotlighted

bye all.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:35 AM

bye kelly :)

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:35 AM

loan debt is the most frustrating thing ever...

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:35 AM

especially for EDUCATION

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

we can all pool our money? Tawkerville LOL

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

i want it! i want it! i want it!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

sounds good to me :0

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

i don't have much money, but i have a lot of paint, and chickens!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

yes we need WIFI

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:38 AM

lol

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

better get started.. i have a video you should all watch, if you havent.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

I have plenty of textbooks to donate for a school! :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo7ky1kq-Q&feature=player_embedded not gonna start a beginning. you wan to see it all

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:39 AM

chris hedges!! thanks robin! :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:40 AM

the video totally swept me into it

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:40 AM

yer welcome!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

rebecca your husband can make us some awesome housing! :)

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

I'll cook! :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

that is right up kelly's alley!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:41 AM

organic food! :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:41 AM

it sure won't in the winter

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

yes!!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

no doubt

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

we should get land in Colorado

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

the venus project has many many ideas for all of tht.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

dam missed my ride LOL.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

no rich thugs

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM

oops kelly and we were just talking about you

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM

no what?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM

I can tell ya about it.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM

thats kellys department = D

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:43 AM

its to go beyond money.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM

live in n abundant emergent system.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM

oh ok... you can pick the state rebecca! you know about all that earth science stuff :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

kelly, we are talking about making a community

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

water can be sterilized for drinking.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

excellnt

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM

self sustaining

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

right rebecca

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Came back from Aruba recently...100% of their water is from the ocean and it tastes darn good

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

I saw a technology using a billboard to collect water out of the air, and alot of it too. pretty sure it was in a humid place though, judgeing from vegetations around.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

maybe montana. we dont have any nuclear reactors here. = D

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

yeah what's the best land we have here in the US?

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

OMG seth!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

ooh Hawaii...

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

JB!!!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

you cannot drink ocean water

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Desalinization baby

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:45 AM

Hi Seth! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:46 AM

its salty and you will reverse osmosis your cells and dehydrate yoursef from ocean water.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

jordan, due to radioactivity, i think its impossible

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:46 AM

Hey Rachel :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

oh ya then you can. it require alot of energy but carbon nanotube could solve the energy problem or nitinol.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:46 AM

yes. i wish they could entomb it already

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

we are so stupid with our water... they have been warning us about this for decades...

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

They've been doing it in Aruba since the '30's. Israel does it too

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

nestly OWNS our water, around the world.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

don't take my word for it, look it up.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

they been warning us about climate change for decades, too. are we making needed changes?

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

True the CEO of Nestle is something that rhymes with a brick

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

He wants to charge everyone for water

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM

yes that would be an awesome tawk rebecca! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

WE need to stop supporting this crooked system and wake up and put out intention towards co existence.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

there is nothing worse than rich douchebags who sold their soul for FAKE numbers :p

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM

Nestle owns pretty much all the bottled water out there

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

yes, and he thinks thats reasonable, becuase we already buy water.

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

Well said Rebecca

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

should lock them up instead of rewarding them

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

breathing is unacceptable behavior for a psychopath. = D

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

teboon pickens, got a spot in texas to reach armicas biggest undrground augafir and sold it.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

bad spelling mistakes but you get the point LOL.

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:50 AM

lol Kelly

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:50 AM

tell telltell!

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

I am building a veggie stand this summer, to give away FREE organic food when I have extra... :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM

sweet rachel!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

3d printing technology + carbon nanotube = new society of abundance IF done with the intention of benefit all.

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

How much to ship to FL Rachel?

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM

aww.. I hope so too! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

food production is important, look up permaculture, omega garden systems and aquaponics.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

water is the tough one.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

print a whol ebunch of 3-d printers from a 3d printer and give them away to people :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

we should have a talk on gardening, food production

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM

Yep

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

I have a 3d printer.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

can you create your own lakes or water sources? and filtration systems?

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

we need a water expert

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

Maybe we could print GMO-free vegetables...hasta la vista Monsanto

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

I was going to donate it to an idea my friend had, the community shop LOL.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM

nice got those together like that.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

an easy reliable solar/wind power generator would be most excellent, as well

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

I have an idea I want to try with nitinol that might be better.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

burn sage when weeding the garden, apparently it keeps away misquitos

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:53 AM

cuz its contant AND gets better with age.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

nitinol is awesome.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

i'll try and find a water expert

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

memory metal.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

it will go back to shape when warmed to I think 58 degrees and 55 ton per squar inch force.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

yes get her for a tawk! :)

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

memory metal sounds cool, terminator came to mind tho lol!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Spin magnets with that force and blammo free electricity.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:55 AM

LMAO

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:55 AM

thanks!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Are you sara connor?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

umm with copper coils yes.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

magneto?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

thats how our world is run today

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM

Magnets work like a charm on roller coasters

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM

and the man who made it possible( tesla) died pennyless from alianation syndrom.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

dude we are

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

is that what the scientist Tesla figured out? about the magnetic field of the Earth?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

thats the whole idea of the electric motor.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

oh yeah! I thought that Kelly! :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

if you spin one by hand it becomes a generator.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

cool!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

that too rachel but that was einstine

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

you could connect the pulses together somehow to strengthen it?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

he wanted to answer the compass and why the needle always wants to point north.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:58 AM

adobe?

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Water current under the ocean can generate a lot of electricity and it is just starting to be used

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

oh hm

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:58 AM

bah look up venus project and 3d print a house yes you heard me.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

maybe we need to pare down the 'things'

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

we can 3d print concrete.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 12:59 AM

for sure rebecca.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

nope, not that hard.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

what we are doing right now is writing ideas from many of us, the one we agree on should be booked.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

see what everyone REALLY thinks.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

underground?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

OH man umm whats that called.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM

jordan I got some vids for homes like that.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

collaboration, kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

like a hobbit home hehehe.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

'earthsips'?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM

those are kinda half in half out.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

i love earth ships

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM

I know right.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

rebecca did a previous tawk on cobb housing... it is really interesting

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

yes!!!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

cozy!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Umm you guys wanna know what?

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

what?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

We MIGHT be doing a straw bale house this year.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

ive seen them. very cool

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

kewl kelly!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

I can video and document it.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

umm maybe 3.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

i will give you the plans for free .

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

I dont need money i need your times LOL./

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

oh yeah!

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

http://naturalhomes.org/cobhouses.htm...wow

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

might be a lot better than the one i'm living in

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

sure...they are way kewl

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

BUT, that might put the greenhouse till next year.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

if we do 3.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM

but the yard is ready.

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

...cob hobs..lol

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

just go with the flow kelly, = D

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:03 AM

I can show you guys what we did with that so far.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM

cobbled cob hobs

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM

oh ya.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM★ Spotlighted

nice i love recyceling stuff.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM

hobgoblin cobblin' cob hobs

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM

LOL

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

older woods were better.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

me to. l ove the satisfacti of recyclig

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

we must get rid of money, at least the compitition.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:05 AM

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:05 AM

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

lol

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

yep!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

Ill send ya a link to something.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

a collaborative society!

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM★ Spotlighted

...i'm keen on the gardening part...i got skills

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

k kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM

yes.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM★ Spotlighted

why is university pay for. put that shit online dammit.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM★ Spotlighted

free education

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:06 AM★ Spotlighted

i'm keen on the whole entire thing!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

Ohh whos that?

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

hhehehhehehe...building our imaginary community online...with people who've never met

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

wheres that?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

Im all about john dewey with education is not a process of telling and being told but an active and constructive process.

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

fish and relatives start stinking after 3 days...but people we've never met are A OK

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

if we are products of our environment.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

Tawkers <3 :)

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

LOL cuz you see yourself now within us.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM

LMAO its rick.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

ok well lets wirte some philosophies down guys.

Rachel McDonnellApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

i have to go but this was a great tawk! :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

sounds great rebecca

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

To get the deepest understanding.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:09 AM

have a great night, rachel!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

to the most people for everyone.

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

gn Jordan

Seth HochmanApr 16, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Buenos noches JB, Rebecca and all!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:10 AM★ Spotlighted

I was thinking robin rebecca and we need another female perspective.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

g'nite seth

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM

then jordan me and another person maybe wayne.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM

rachel?

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

.gn Rebecca thanks for the invite again...surendity exists ...if only in our minds

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

and you know what, anyone else willing to.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

g'nit all!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM

+ e

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM

gnite.

Jane SmithApr 16, 2014, 1:11 AM

gn robin

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

me too!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

LMAO

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

and rick too

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

= D

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

the plan was just stated rick.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

we need laudry doers

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

to write new philosopies for todays world, by many people coming together on one idea, to come to an agreement.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

stress for success!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

to benefit all people.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

but dont give it that label.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

i like it.. as long as its not a washboard

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

its emergent, like time.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:14 AM★ Spotlighted

the ideas must reflect how they will eventually become a straitjacket.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:14 AM

ecatly.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:14 AM★ Spotlighted

wut kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:14 AM

bleh

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:14 AM

for instance.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

i don t have that many clothes, rebecca =0

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

money WAS a good idea, but now it has control, its our straitjacket right now.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM

fer sure kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

we need a new idea.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

good idea!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

resource based economy.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

LOL both of you are right.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

i can make puppets!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

can you see how?

Theresa SwartApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

all the lands have something to give

Theresa SwartApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

they just need to learn how to share

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

yes, we do have to

Theresa SwartApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

money is the end

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

honestly, money is not the biggest problem, our behavior is.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

if we want to see a futur.e

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:17 AM

but it does create an envorinment of greed poverty and compitition.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

definite, jordan

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

For a brief time rebecca

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

oh yes.. PLEASE EVERYONE WATCH THAT VIDEO OF CHRIS HEDGES I POSTED.!!!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

yay!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

alrighty!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

ok. g'nite, j

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

once people really realize what they are capable of and we do start to come together with ideas and grow, lets just say, I cannot even imagine it yet but it will be awesome.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

nitey nite, rebecca!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

ya thanks for the talk.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

thank you for being here too!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

we love us all :)

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

we do!!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

cuz I am you and you are me LOL.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM

yay for us all!

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM

ooo i love that kelly!

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:19 AM

LOL

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

you said a beautyful thing, kelly

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

i did didnt it?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

LOL

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

but i have no idea of what you speak.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

yep

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:20 AM

izzat so?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:21 AM

being the one that said it, it kinda of evades me.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:21 AM

i am you and you are me.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:21 AM

OH shit thats mayan.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:21 AM

its still beautiful

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:21 AM

but ya.

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:22 AM

umm its true.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:22 AM

yes

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:22 AM

to a point.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:22 AM

care to elucidate?

kelly mackinApr 16, 2014, 1:22 AM

and give the refection and respect to others so you can open the lines of communication.

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:23 AM

how does that open communication?

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:25 AM

wondering if kelly is preparing his dissertaion, or i am just sittin here

Robin MaynardApr 16, 2014, 1:26 AM

yay! my greenhouse just arrived!