Katie Klabusich

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Can we end sexual assault in sports?

Aug 27, 2014·130 visitors

Jessica Luther

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Aug 27, 2014

That's a pretty ambitious question; we can't fully answer it, obviously. But the full spectrum of sexual violence seems to be especially prevalent with players of all ages and levels. The best feminist sports writer around, Jessica Luther, is joining me to talk about current news/trials & how we change the culture!nCheck out her POSITIVE piece from The Nation http://bit.ly/1uIiFyx & cautiously optimistic piece on UT http://bit.ly/1uIiJ1h and join us for the chat! (*trigger warning*)

Katie Klabusich · 1:00 AM

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Katie Klabusich · 1:00 AM

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Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

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Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

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Katie Klabusich · 1:01 AM

This tawk in particular comes with a broad **Trigger Warning** because of the base topic. We’re both optimistic people by nature, but this is a tough and often explicit subject. Please take care.

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

With the disclaimers out of the way, let’s start "Can we end sexual assault in sports?" Thanks so much for joining me, Jessica!

Jessica Luther · 1:02 AM

Hi! Thanks for having me.

Katie Klabusich · 1:02 AM

Jessica is one of my favorite sports writers and one of my favorite feminist writers — which these days means she’s covering a lot of sexual assault at both the collegiate and professional levels. If you don’t already, read all her things. :)

Katie Klabusich · 1:03 AM

So, start us off with your most recent piece at your Power Forward blog: “We Need to Talk About Missouri Football." http://bit.ly/1vjk0Pc Outline a little of the case for people who aren’t familiar.

Jessica Luther · 1:04 AM

Sure. A Missouri running back - Derrick Washington - was dismissed from the team when he was convicted of sexual assault in 2010. That's a known case.

Jessica Luther · 1:04 AM

But Outside the Lines (at ESPN) released a report this week showing that he had, in fact, allegedly assaulted another student in 2008. The coaches and university knew. Nothing was done.

Katie Klabusich · 1:05 AM

My jaw dropped and stayed there reading your piece on it.

Jessica Luther · 1:05 AM

He also physically assaulted two other women after that first sexual assault BEFORE he was finally dismissed from the team. Four women in all.

Katie Klabusich · 1:05 AM

The Outside the Lines clips that show him being interviewed by the police are pretty horrifying.

Jessica Luther · 1:06 AM

Yes. OTL shows the 2008 interview that a detective did of Washington. It's horrifying. He admits having sex with her after she said to stop.

Jessica Luther · 1:06 AM

That detective then created a report saying he thought there was evidence of forcible rape and the campus police suggested the DA issue a warrant.

Katie Klabusich · 1:07 AM

Which, most of us would assume means action from the police/law enforcement/and the university.

Jessica Luther · 1:07 AM

Instead, the DA never pressed charges, never issued a warrant. He had Washington agree to never see the victim again and to take rape awareness classes.

Katie Klabusich · 1:07 AM

"Rape awareness classes."

Katie Klabusich · 1:07 AM

In the interview they have to explain to him what "intercourse" is. So, I'm sure the awareness classes went well.

Jessica Luther · 1:08 AM

Missouri coach, Gary Pinkel, has said he didn't discipline Washington then because he didn't have enough info to do so and there were never any charges.

Katie Klabusich · 1:08 AM

I thought it was striking that they sent people to his parents' house to assure him he wouldn't be arrested.

Jessica Luther · 1:08 AM

And Mike Alden, the athletic director, says that he did not understand Title IX's relationship to sexual assault cases in 2008 and that's why the university never did their own investigation. Or something.

Katie Klabusich · 1:09 AM

Yeah, for those who don't know, Title IX (federal law) requires the school to investigate.

Katie Klabusich · 1:09 AM

Which they didn't.

Jessica Luther · 1:09 AM

Right. They called Washington's parents - an assistant coach called to let them know what was happening but that charges would probably not be filed.

Katie Klabusich · 1:09 AM

"Don't worry; we're on it."

Katie Klabusich · 1:09 AM

basically

Jessica Luther · 1:10 AM

This is a particularly hard case for me to process because Washington went on to hurt three more women.

Jessica Luther · 1:11 AM

And I just don't want to watch the head coach and athletic director simply shrug about it and blame their inaction on their ignorance (which I don't believe for one minute).

Katie Klabusich · 1:11 AM

With students returning to college and football in full swing, hearing these stories is particularly troubling to me and I'm sure you.

Katie Klabusich · 1:11 AM

Why should people who don't follow sports be concerned about this?

Katie Klabusich · 1:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Yes, of course...needs to be zero tolerance for any type of assault.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:12 AM

(btw -- I see chatty folks in the chat, so feel free to jump in)

Jessica Luther · 1:12 AM

If you attend a university that has a sports program, you should care because your money is paying for it.

Jessica Luther · 1:13 AM

But beyond that, these cases serve as microcosms on the larger issues that feed into why - as a society - we don't generally care about sexual assault as a crime. All of that is amplified here.

Katie Klabusich · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“It's painfully – truly, painfully – obvious that there are more athletic departments covering up more of these assaults. Because football. Or whatever major men's sport that rakes in money. That's horrifying.”

Katie Klabusich · 1:14 AM

This particular case for me highlighted that we as a culture SO don't understand consent or basic sex ed.

Jessica Luther · 1:14 AM

You have A LOT of money involved. You have perpetrators who often are treated as rockstars. You have people who are quick to defend them, quick to shame the victim into silence.

Jessica Luther · 1:14 AM

You have police forces that care as much about the player or the team as they do about justice. Same with DAs.

Jessica Luther · 1:15 AM

You can OFTEN see how badly we teach consent. That was a big part of the (in)famous Steubenville high school rape case that involved two football players.

Jessica Luther · 1:15 AM

I should even say, police and DA who care MORE about players or teams than justice.

Katie Klabusich · 1:16 AM

It's no wonder survivors don't report.

Jessica Luther · 1:17 AM

Right. These cases have similar narratives. Often a victim says to the police or the DA: "I don't want to report/take this any further because I don't want to be the person who hurt that football team or that particular player."

Katie Klabusich · 1:17 AM

That's heartbreaking.

Jessica Luther · 1:17 AM

Or police or DAs who warn the victims away from the case. Jameis Winston, the quarterback of FSU, had the biggest profile rape case in recent memory this past fall.

Katie Klabusich · 1:17 AM

That happened at my little D3 school.

Jessica Luther · 1:18 AM

No charges were ever pressed. It was a COMPLETE failure (I can't overstate) that on the part of the police to even investigate it.

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

One of my friends was talked into recanting because the assailant was an athlete.

Jessica Luther · 1:18 AM

And the police officer said to the victim at one point, "If you pursue this, you will be raked over the coals."

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

It never occurred to her (or me) to take it beyond the administration to the local police.

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

Wow.

Katie Klabusich · 1:18 AM

While true, telling a victim that is clearly done for one purpose.

Jessica Luther · 1:18 AM

Katie - I think that is an important point. This happens at universities that aren't considered "sports schools."

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

As well as high schools....

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“I went to two D1 schools during undergrad. The first was a Catholic school that not only had no procedure for reporting rape, it knowingly kept victims' [updated] addresses in the online student directory.”

Jessica Luther · 1:19 AM

I can barely handle high schools. Just today my google alerts were full of reports from a high school in NC and one in VT involving gang rapes by football players.

Katie Klabusich · 1:19 AM

Shit.

Jessica Luther · 1:20 AM

And there's a student suing in Los Angeles because he said the football coach promoted hazing and in that hazing, he was sexually assaulted.

Katie Klabusich · 1:20 AM

A good reminder that this affects not just female students.

Jessica Luther · 1:20 AM

Christine: That is horrible. Keeping the addresses public is total intimidation tactic.

Katie Klabusich · 1:20 AM

Agreed.

Katie Klabusich · 1:20 AM

So, if this culture around sports happens at a really young age....

Katie Klabusich · 1:21 AM

....what do we do to change it?

Katie Klabusich · 1:21 AM

That's a super broad question, but do we go for better enforcement, laws, culture shift?

Jessica Luther · 1:21 AM

This is THE question. And it's a hard one.

Jessica Luther · 1:22 AM

I'm not interested in law enforcement. I think that's too big a problem and can't be fixed through altering anything on the collegiate level or in sports.

Katie Klabusich · 1:22 AM

We aren't going to solve it, but most of the folks hanging out in the chat/listening are into changing the conversation.

Jessica Luther · 1:22 AM

Also, criminalization is such a problem in this country because of who gets criminalized. And as it is now, only 3% of rapists ever end up in jail. That's a HUGE problem.

Jessica Luther · 1:22 AM

So, I think it has to start in athletic departments.

Jessica Luther · 1:23 AM

I think coaches and athletic directors have to be held accountable when their students commit acts of violence. It has to go beyond punishing a single player.

Katie Klabusich · 1:23 AM

And that's part of the case we started with.

Katie Klabusich · 1:23 AM

The player who's case we're using as an example isn't at Missouri anymore, correct?

Jessica Luther · 1:24 AM

There has to be some sort of penalty in place for inaction, for failing to actively teach consent to players, for using sexist language, for hazing, etc.

Jessica Luther · 1:24 AM

The player is no longer at Missouri. The coach and athletic director are.

Katie Klabusich · 1:25 AM

I like the proactive language -- programs should be teaching consent.

Jessica Luther · 1:25 AM

Programs teach players what to do if law enforcement shows up at your door. Surely they can teach them other life skills as well.

Katie Klabusich · 1:26 AM

Do they really??

Jessica Luther · 1:26 AM

We need a really frank discussion about locker room culture. It can be good (Missouri was Michael Sam's team and they protected his privacy) but it can VERY bad.

Jessica Luther · 1:26 AM

Yes, they do.

Jessica Luther · 1:26 AM

Players need ways to report other players that are confidential and come without consequences. Is there a way to do that? I'm not sure.

Katie Klabusich · 1:26 AM

Ok, this is really interesting. What are they teaching players to respond to with law enforcement??

Jessica Luther · 1:27 AM

They teach them to lawyer up immediately.

Katie Klabusich · 1:27 AM

As a broad "always do this" tactic?

Jessica Luther · 1:27 AM

WE NEED MORE WOMEN IN SPORTS. We need more women in all levels of sports administration. We need them as coaches. We need them everywhere.

Katie Klabusich · 1:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“I feel like the programs might think their players are getting that "education" from the school...when I transferred to my second D1 school we had to do an online sexual assault class (that presumably the players did as incoming students). >>”

Jessica Luther · 1:28 AM

That's my understanding. I don't know if this is true EVERYWHERE. But yes, it definitely happens.

Katie Klabusich · 1:28 AM

If assistant coaches were available for teammate reporting?

Jessica Luther · 1:28 AM

Christine: right. which is a larger, university-wide issue with how they deal with sexual assault and consent on campuses.

Katie Klabusich · 1:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“It was HORRIBLE. It barely covered consent, it mostly focused on "prevention" (you know, general victim-blaming nonsense), and I learned nothing except that if anything happened to me it would be my fault.”

Jessica Luther · 1:29 AM

Maybe. It's hard. These teams are incredibly tight knit. You always hear that nothing happens on a team at any point (on or off field) without the coaches knowing.

Jessica Luther · 1:29 AM

So, I think assistant coaches probably already know. I worry that they don't know what consent is, too.

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

So the education really needs to be program-wide

Jessica Luther · 1:30 AM

We need the NCAA to outright ban schools using female students or any women really to recruit players.

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

And not just of the players -- starting with the coaches and possibly the administration?

Katie Klabusich · 1:30 AM

I can't believe that still happens.

Jessica Luther · 1:30 AM

Yes. Coaches, admin, players.

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“How are women used to recruit players?”

Jessica Luther · 1:31 AM

There is a book called THE SYSTEM that came out last year and there is a chapter on how programs encourage (though they would never admit it, I'm sure) to curate relationships with recruits via social media.

Katie Klabusich · 1:31 AM

Alright. So step 1: coaches and adminstration need training on consent and federal law.

Jessica Luther · 1:31 AM

When players show up to campus for their visits, the NCAA limits time with coaches. So, women end up being the people showing the players around.

Katie Klabusich · 1:32 AM

Oh shit. That didn't even occur to me. I mean, I saw female students "around" recruits, but that was ten years before social media. I can't imagine what it is now....

Jessica Luther · 1:32 AM

Teams can't pay these players. The women basically stand in for compensation: "Come to this school, this is what it will be like with the women when you are here."

Jessica Luther · 1:32 AM

And, of course, women love football and they want to be involved. But it shouldn't be in recruitment.

Jessica Luther · 1:33 AM

There's an ongoing case at Vanderbilt - 4 players raped a fellow student last summer.

Jessica Luther · 1:33 AM

The defense for one of the men has said that the coach - James Franklin (who is now at Penn State) - called the victim within days of the assault. He denies this.

Jessica Luther · 1:33 AM

But the defense has said Franklin knew her. She worked recruitment for him. That's how she knew the players.

Jessica Luther · 1:34 AM

There have been multiple horrible rape cases involving college football players and women who participated in recruitment going back in the late 1990s. The NCAA has done superficial stuff to curb this but nothing with teeth.

Jessica Luther · 1:35 AM

Also, this: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/25/6068123/tennessee-pitches-recruit-with-photoshopped-beyonce-cover

Katie Klabusich · 1:35 AM

o.O

Katie Klabusich · 1:36 AM

Does Title IX -- the federal law that governs sexual assault on campus -- provide the teeth needed?

Jessica Luther · 1:36 AM

I wrote about the issue of recruitment in college football for the Atlantic last year: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/09/we-felt-like-we-were-above-the-law-how-the-ncaa-endangers-women/280004/

Jessica Luther · 1:36 AM

I don't know actually. Probably not. That would need to come from the NCAA, I think.

Katie Klabusich · 1:37 AM

(Again, go read all of Jessica's things b/c IMPORTANT)

Jessica Luther · 1:37 AM

Lots of people believe that the NCAA banned schools from using sex in recruitment. In that Atlantic article, I show how that isn't true. It's rumor, nothing more.

Katie Klabusich · 1:37 AM

I suspect the NCAA feels shielded from "normal" rules, right?

Jessica Luther · 1:38 AM

Lots of individuals athletic departments, though, do make people involved in recruitment sign a piece of paper saying they won't have sex with recruits.

Jessica Luther · 1:38 AM

but that does nothing to alleviate the very real fact that schools use these women as ways lure recruits to campus, implicitly suggesting the availability of women on campus.

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

That's just to eliminate culpability, right?

Katie Klabusich · 1:38 AM

Got it.

Jessica Luther · 1:39 AM

I do believe it's to eliminate culpability.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

Even if nothing happens during recruitment, offering women up during that process makes it clear incoming athletes have a right to expect gratifcation.

Katie Klabusich · 1:39 AM

Further bluring the concept of consent.

Jessica Luther · 1:39 AM

Right. Exactly.

Jessica Luther · 1:40 AM

And I would never want to let these players off the hook but I do want to say that part of the issue at hand here is that these players are exploited by the system, too.

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

That's nauseating.

Katie Klabusich · 1:40 AM

Absolutely. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Jessica Luther · 1:41 AM

They understand that people give up their bodies to this system. They know what exploitation looks like and they know they are exploited and they probably expect compensation.

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

Players are sacrificing their bodies onthe field, so it isn't a foreign concept for others to do the same?

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“There's so much money in the system - lots of folks are getting wealthy on college sports - and that makes the system that much more difficult to change”

Jessica Luther · 1:42 AM

Athletic departments need to do a much better job of figuring out how to treat their own players better.

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

Clarice -- that's a good point. The money doesn't end at the athletic dept.

Katie Klabusich · 1:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“nor to the players”

Katie Klabusich · 1:43 AM

Perhaps the idea of consent as a much, much broader concept?

Jessica Luther · 1:43 AM

Yes. I mean, I interviewed Heather Corinna of Scarleteen about this and that was a big thing for her - that these boys, basically, are conditioned in very real ways to see bodies used in very particular ways.

Katie Klabusich · 1:43 AM

Players should have more agency as well as respecting the agency of others.

Jessica Luther · 1:43 AM

The system is so exploitative. Plenty of people caught in its wake.

Jessica Luther · 1:44 AM

And yes, Clarice, the money is ridiculous. It's just completely ridiculous at this point. Which is why we need coaches and athletic departments financially penalized.

Jessica Luther · 1:44 AM

Katie: exactly. Well said. That is what I meant.

Katie Klabusich · 1:44 AM

What would those penalties look like?

Jessica Luther · 1:45 AM

Well, for example, the coach of Missouri - who I can't talk enough about right now - was arrested and charged with DWI in 2011. The athletic department froze his salary for a year. $300K he lost.

Katie Klabusich · 1:45 AM

That sound you heard across town was my jaw hitting the floor.

Katie Klabusich · 1:45 AM

I missed that.

Jessica Luther · 1:45 AM

I am sure he will think about that $300K every time he goes to drive drunk in the future.

Katie Klabusich · 1:45 AM

Well, yeah.

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

So should we be penalizing coaches/departments for the behavior of atheletes?

Jessica Luther · 1:46 AM

He and the athletic director should be fined for their failure to act in 2008 when Washington was investigated.

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

Agreed.

Jessica Luther · 1:46 AM

Oh sure. We reward them ENDLESSLY for the behavior of their athletes.

Katie Klabusich · 1:46 AM

GREAT POINT OMG

Katie Klabusich · 1:47 AM

If their contracts give them benefits for success....

Jessica Luther · 1:47 AM

I have heard Charlie Strong - the new coach at the University of Texas (I live in Austin) - say that coaches should be financially penalized for low graduate rates of players.

Jessica Luther · 1:47 AM

And he specifically talked about that in relationship to the financial bonuses coaches get when they go to bowl games.

Jessica Luther · 1:49 AM

I would have to think a lot more about what those penalties should look like and who would be in charge of levying them - there's so much space and encouragement of making problems disappear.

Jessica Luther · 1:49 AM

I don't know REALLY know how we can ever trust the system that is currently in place even if changes are made.

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

Ditto.

Katie Klabusich · 1:49 AM

I say that as a sports fan and a sexual assault survivor.

Jessica Luther · 1:49 AM

In this weekend's Outside The Lines on ESPN, the great Kate Fagan said nothing short of the complete overhaul of athletic departments would fix anything.

Jessica Luther · 1:50 AM

It's hard to argue with that.

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

Basically. I mean, what else would we do? We pretty much have to start from scratch....

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

I really want to see collegiate sports succeed in a non-predatory way. I don't know what that looks like.

Katie Klabusich · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“even with a complete overall, how would the culture be changed?”

Jessica Luther · 1:51 AM

It looks like a whole lot more women involved in sports. That would have to be step one if we were to ever overhaul anything.

Katie Klabusich · 1:51 AM

Clarice -- that's the question. And I personally think the work on Title IX nationally is a good start, but certainly education has to begin much younger.

Katie Klabusich · 1:51 AM

Yeah, the exclusive male club is really perpetuating the status quo.

Jessica Luther · 1:51 AM

And I mean, women in administrative positions and coaching positions. Women helping make decisions.

Katie Klabusich · 1:51 AM

And that starts with the college presidents on down.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

Agreed, Jessica. Totally.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“I look at how we dress our kids these days ... the people as objects (especially women) starts really early, even in general society”

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

I have friends who found reporting intimidating b/c the entire administration was male.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

And old.

Katie Klabusich · 1:52 AM

And white.

Jessica Luther · 1:53 AM

The truth is, most men don't rape anyone ever in their lives. It's possible to teach men not to rape. That education needs to be so much more broad and especially directed at all-male spaces.

Jessica Luther · 1:54 AM

At spaces where men are taught how to be masculine or show off their masculinity. Athletic departments should have the MOST education on consent.

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

I basically think you should be in charge of all the teaching.

Katie Klabusich · 1:54 AM

yanno, in all your free time

Katie Klabusich · 1:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“Absolutely agree. I think the conversation should start with consent, and that we can teach w/o a complete overhall”

Jessica Luther · 1:55 AM

I know at the University of Texas they have amazing people doing great work around these issues. I was told that Charlie Strong had brought some of them in to talk to the freshmen on the team last winter.

Katie Klabusich · 1:55 AM

Huzzah, HOPE!

Jessica Luther · 1:55 AM

I hope to follow up on this and see what they are doing beyond this. But it's hard to find out that information.

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

btw -- before we end, a reminder to follow Jessica on Twitter @scATX

Katie Klabusich · 1:56 AM

Also, read her things at Power Forward: http://pwrfwd.net/

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

So, before we end...can we still be sports fans and know this stuff?

Jessica Luther · 1:57 AM

Ha! Some days I don't know.

Katie Klabusich · 1:57 AM

It's ok to feel conflicted, y'all.

Jessica Luther · 1:57 AM

I mean, we can. We consume and financially support so much problematic stuff in our culture. This is yet another.

Katie Klabusich · 1:58 AM

Agreed. As a Notre Dame fan, I am continually conficted.

Katie Klabusich · 1:58 AM

But I want to enjoy my Saturdays.

Jessica Luther · 1:58 AM

I will be writing a book on this subject, probably to be published end of next year (2015): http://pwrfwd.net/2014/08/06/im-writing-book/

Katie Klabusich · 1:58 AM

While advocating for change.

Katie Klabusich · 1:59 AM

YAS!!! SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS BOOK!

Jessica Luther · 1:59 AM

So, more to come from me on this topic.

Jessica Luther · 1:59 AM

I'll also be watching college football this weekend.

Katie Klabusich · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christine Salek

“I'm so excited for your book!”

Katie Klabusich · 1:59 AM

I will post updates obnoxiously on my feeds because I love Jessica so so much.

Jessica Luther · 1:59 AM

But I will definitely shake my head and wag my feminist finger at college football while watching.

Jessica Luther · 1:59 AM

Thank you all!

Katie Klabusich · 2:00 AM

Jessica, thank you SO MUCH -- I learned a ton on this topic I didn't know before. And all the links and comments will be available immediately.

Katie Klabusich · 2:00 AM

Thank you to all the people "listening" and learning!

Katie Klabusich · 2:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Clarice Piper

“Thank you! I learned quite a lot - and feel much more aware!”

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Johnathonfall thethirdAug 27, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes, of course...needs to be zero tolerance for any type of assault.

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

It's painfully – truly, painfully – obvious that there are more athletic departments covering up more of these assaults. Because football. Or whatever major men's sport that rakes in money. That's horrifying.

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

I went to two D1 schools during undergrad. The first was a Catholic school that not only had no procedure for reporting rape, it knowingly kept victims' [updated] addresses in the online student directory.

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:28 AM★ Spotlighted

I feel like the programs might think their players are getting that "education" from the school...when I transferred to my second D1 school we had to do an online sexual assault class (that presumably the players did as incoming students). >>

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:28 AM★ Spotlighted

It was HORRIBLE. It barely covered consent, it mostly focused on "prevention" (you know, general victim-blaming nonsense), and I learned nothing except that if anything happened to me it would be my fault.

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:30 AM★ Spotlighted

How are women used to recruit players?

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 1:42 AM★ Spotlighted

There's so much money in the system - lots of folks are getting wealthy on college sports - and that makes the system that much more difficult to change

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 1:42 AM★ Spotlighted

nor to the players

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 1:50 AM★ Spotlighted

even with a complete overall, how would the culture be changed?

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 1:52 AM★ Spotlighted

I look at how we dress our kids these days ... the people as objects (especially women) starts really early, even in general society

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 1:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Absolutely agree. I think the conversation should start with consent, and that we can teach w/o a complete overhall

Christine SalekAug 27, 2014, 1:59 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm so excited for your book!

Clarice PiperAug 27, 2014, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Thank you! I learned quite a lot - and feel much more aware!