Jordan Birnbaum

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Dear NSA - READ THIS!!!

Jun 25, 2013·47 visitors

Lee Camp

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Jun 25, 2013

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:00 PM

Mr. Camp, I presume?

Lee Camp · 7:00 PM

hey

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:00 PM

Hi , and a big hello to the audience

Lee Camp · 7:00 PM

Oh wow, things look different than last time

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:00 PM

yeah, man - Tawkers is on the upswing

Lee Camp · 7:01 PM

Hey guys, thanks for joining us everyone. This is the most important discussion in the world right now that does not require pants.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:01 PM

There’s a lot of important news happening right now – The Voting Rights Act, Obama’s new climate initiative – so we have a lot to cover. But I think we should begin by focusing on our guest of honor…the NSA.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:01 PM

Welcome gentlemen.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:01 PM

and ladies.

Lee Camp · 7:02 PM

Just a quick explanation to new people - Jordan and I can't see your comments unless they get "voted up" by other audience members

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:02 PM

this is true, so get active in there

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:02 PM

we want to involve you

Lee Camp · 7:02 PM

So just like the NSA, you guys can talk in "audience" without us seeing it but still watch us talk as well.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:02 PM

nicely done, sir!

Lee Camp · 7:03 PM

I'll be here all week. (not really)

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:03 PM

OK - so let's begin by addressing the MANY people who shrugged off the NSA revelations

Lee Camp · 7:03 PM

Those people drive me fucking nuts.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:03 PM

some people said they assumed it was happening, others said they were OK with it happening.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:03 PM

what point do you think they are missing?

Lee Camp · 7:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“@LEE The biggest upgrade to the app is that now everything you say is forwarded directly to the CIA. They developed a new plugin that makes it a snap!”

Lee Camp · 7:04 PM

A) Assuming it's happening and having proof are two very different things. In fact I think there's some kind of expression about "assuming" that involves asses and minks... or something.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:05 PM

OK - so the people who think it is effective and worth it - how to respond to them?

Lee Camp · 7:05 PM

Furthermore, I don't think even the most cynical people knew quite the level of warrantless spying going on.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Christina Bucci

“Others already knew it was happening! (All of Congress)”

Lee Camp · 7:05 PM

and B) This argument about "i'm not doing anything wrong, so who cares" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:06 PM

BTW - my theory is that people aren't THAT dumb -just emotionally unprepared to face the disturbing reality

Lee Camp · 7:07 PM

Christina - That's not true! (Though I still love you.) I can point you to statements from Susan Collins the RANKING GOP member of the HOMELAND SECURITY COUNCIL who said she had never heard of PRISM.

Lee Camp · 7:07 PM

(Prism is the name of the program we're talking about.)

Lee Camp · 7:07 PM

So EVEN Congress didn't know it was happening - or at least not the extent.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:08 PM

What about the assertions by government that it is effective and thwarted 50 attacks?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:08 PM

does anyone think the government would have thwarted a terrorist attack and not told us about it?

Lee Camp · 7:08 PM

And as much as I think Congress makes Jeffrey Dahlmer look like Barney, I still believe the president should have to run things by them every once in awhile.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from neil justin

“Now I have to show my dealer how to use encrypted sms!!”

Lee Camp · 7:08 PM

It's called checks and balances.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:08 PM

you mean your card dealer, right neil?

Lee Camp · 7:09 PM

I'm morally opposed to gambling, Jordan!!

Lee Camp · 7:09 PM

It's in the Bible for god sakes!

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:09 PM

wuss

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:09 PM

all right -so on a scale of 1-10, credibility of the assertion that Prism works?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Cole

“I've always considered anything I say online equal to standing on the street and screaming out loud.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:10 PM

yes Rick - but does that make it OK?

Lee Camp · 7:10 PM

A) I assume the "terrorists" already assumed their emails were being watched. So could that possibly impede them?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:10 PM

Lee Camp · 7:11 PM

But more important B) more people die from peanut allergies in the US than from terrorism! Are we really willing to give away all rights to be protected from a smaller problem than fucking peanuts?!

Lee Camp · 7:11 PM

Where is the peanut alert chart?!

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:11 PM

chuckling

Lee Camp · 7:12 PM

Corporate criminals have clearly killed FAR more people via pollution, cancer, keep life-saving drugs away from poor people -- SOOO, couldn't we use PRISM to track corporate criminals and save all those lives?!

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:13 PM

amen to that, brother. on a separate note, who has done more damage to the American people: Edward Snowden or Wall St.?

Lee Camp · 7:13 PM

@Rick - Two things. First of all, we're talking about personal emails. I've never considered them like screaming out loud - especially not all those images of my junk. Secondly, we're not just talking about online. We're talking about phone records t

Lee Camp · 7:13 PM

too

Lee Camp · 7:14 PM

@Jordan - You mean on a similar note?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:14 PM

yes, typing faster thahn thinking

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“Because of peanut allergies we took the proactive step of banning ALL peanut based products from schools, hospitals and the like. as far as peanuts go, it's hard to imagine a more hard line stance, so i'm not sure your arguement is valid”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:14 PM

and what are you, Dan? A peanut farmer?

Lee Camp · 7:15 PM

I've eaten peanuts in planes, hospitals and countless public places in the past year. I would do elementary schools but they won't let me in. So I'm not sure your point is valid.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:15 PM

Dude - if I had kids, I'd want you addressing their kindergarten class

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:16 PM

All right -how do analyze the reaction to Prism by the Obama die-hard supporters?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“You're free before you're born and after you die.”

Lee Camp · 7:16 PM

I'd wake those mother fuckin kids up to reality, mother fucker!

Lee Camp · 7:17 PM

@Rick - Those are important times though.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:17 PM

I have been amazed at the people who are out there passionately defending Prism because they can't believe Obama would do anything bad

Lee Camp · 7:17 PM

The saddest thing is the hypocrisy - If this were Bush, they would be screaming from the hills.

Lee Camp · 7:18 PM

Look, maybe I was a fool, but I supported Obama in his first run. But I then used facts to stop supporting him.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:18 PM

it is a very hard subject for most people

Lee Camp · 7:18 PM

We make so much fun of flip-floppers, but it's a sign of intelligence to take in new facts and grow.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Susan Tribby

“Doesn't the idea of checks and balances imply a transparency that goes both ways - we (the people) should get to know what the government is doing as much as they get to know what we're doing. And yeah, the government is now the corporate oligarchy.”

Lee Camp · 7:19 PM

As Chris Hedges said recently Obama is now an employee of the corporate state. I would give anything to not agree with him, but it seems there's no other option.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:19 PM

And transparency was a HUGE theme of Obama's campaigns

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“i think it's important to recognize prism has been in place, under one name or another for more than half a century. the reality is, as long as there have been third parties involved in communications, there has been espionage. that is the basis of i”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:20 PM

so Dan, do you condone it?

Lee Camp · 7:20 PM

EVERYBODY needs to hear this speech by Chris Hedges (after our tawk) - It's an hour long, but worth it: http://rabble.ca/podcasts/shows/needs-no-introduction/2013/06/chris-hedges-on-days-destruction-days-revolt

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:20 PM

I think there's a big difference between recognizing that something is happening and accepting it

Lee Camp · 7:21 PM

@Dan - I think that's very incorrect. The technology has not been there for prism until the past few years - at least not at the extent we're now seeing. Furthermore, even the internet being used for constant communication is only 25 years old

Lee Camp · 7:21 PM

or less.

Lee Camp · 7:22 PM

It's supposed to be a government for and by the people. Not one behind the people, bending us over.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:22 PM

Now I think some people might argue that espianoge is simply a reality of the human condition, and it's naive to expect otherwise. But the point is proportion.

Lee Camp · 7:23 PM

@Dan, there is essentially nothing stopping them from eavesdropping when they want to. The FISA court is top secret and has NEVER said no to a request. It's a free for all.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“so I guess the real issue.. is what the hell can we DO about this?? Aside from getting the truth to the masses?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Anthony DeMeo

“I guess the question on everybodys mind is, how, now that all this momentum and investment has gone into watching everyone, how can it be stopped? boycott communicating?”

Lee Camp · 7:23 PM

And just as I had friends arrested for photographing police or tweeting about police actions, PRISM can be used for that - arrested protesters and people speaking out.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:24 PM

Rachel and Anthony - the first thing we can do is take solace in one another

Lee Camp · 7:24 PM

@Anthony - No, boycott these corporate hacks that are in office. Get money out of politics and put some of them in jail.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:24 PM

the second is to keep talking about it

Lee Camp · 7:24 PM

@Jordan - Was that a pickup line?

Lee Camp · 7:25 PM

Listen, if you're going to just use this conversation to land a threesome, I'm not sure I wanna be a part of it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:25 PM

yeah - I like her glasses

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:25 PM

Get mind back into the gutter...of politics

Lee Camp · 7:26 PM

Just a reminder to everybody, if we don't "spotlight" your comments, it might be because we can't see them. We can only see comments that are voted up (unlike the NSA)

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

“I'd like to know if you really believe - as I would like to - that the growth of the surveillance state is the push-back against the groundswell of public involvement and change? I mean, is there a change in public consciousness?”

Lee Camp · 7:26 PM

Sorry to quote Chris Hedges again, but I just listened to his great talk - He said the corporate elite are planning for the coming climate change and the coming depletion of resources - and they aren't

Lee Camp · 7:27 PM

doing it as you or I, or anyone who cares, would. Instead they're preparing for the pushback. They're preparing for people standing up and saying this corporate pillaging is enough.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:27 PM

@Rebecca, I'd like to believe that, but I fear it is more a result of technology

Lee Camp · 7:27 PM

And I'm not saying that to push us into hopelessness, I'm saying it because I think we need to be even stronger than they're prepared for.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hand Tomouth

“They've stomped on our first amendment right, now they've stole our fourth. How do we garnish support and raise awareness on these issues. In other words, get the fuck out into the streets. If they can do it in Turkey, Brazil, etc. Why can't we?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:28 PM

Occupy DID happen, and will again. Civil disobedience is possible.

Lee Camp · 7:28 PM

@Hand - We can! We've already shown we can with Occupy. Whether the encampment tactic ended the way we liked or not, it showed we have the ability. We can take to the streets.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:29 PM

Well, let's throw some fuel on the fire. Someone forgot to tell Clarence Thomas that he's black, so he gutted the Voting Rights Act.

Lee Camp · 7:30 PM

Someone also forgot to tell him that he used to be the lawyer for Monsanto - so he continues to rule on Monsanto cases.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:30 PM

The Supreme Court voted today to strike down the requirement that proven racist states must have their election procedures approved by the Federal government

Lee Camp · 7:31 PM

Supreme court always making us proud.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:31 PM

"Common sense wise," they are arguing that there is no basis to believe that anyone would attempt to hinder the minority vote.

Lee Camp · 7:31 PM

NOOOO, no one would ever try to hinder voting rights.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:31 PM

Much like Prism, how egregious does the offense have to be to drive us towards action?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“What is it going to take for people to start fighting back in this country...that is why the hard-right wants people working all the time...so they don't know what's going on and how people are getting screwed”

Lee Camp · 7:32 PM

Hey Jordan, was it 5-4?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:32 PM

of course. the independent Supreme Court voted 5-4.

Lee Camp · 7:32 PM

@Seth - It's not just working all the time, it's crushed by debt.

Lee Camp · 7:33 PM

Debt enslavement is one of the best tools the corporate state has over us.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:33 PM

and psychologically manipulated

Lee Camp · 7:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Teresa Ellsworth

“In the old days we used to always pick up the phone and say "Fuck Hoover" because we knew "they" were listening. And we ALWAYS spoke in code. No one does that anymore.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:33 PM

it's real fun being a 99%er, huh?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:33 PM

Fuck Hoover!

Lee Camp · 7:33 PM

Nowadays I just yell "jihad" every time I pick up the phone. Seems to work well.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:34 PM

I wonder if you make them laugh or cringe, Lee?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Troy Younts

“@LEE I remember as a kid, watching 'yippies' throw creem pies at politicians-now you get assault charges and prison for that fun”

Lee Camp · 7:34 PM

@Troy - I love the Yippies. They've been an inspiration to me.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:34 PM

bring back the pies!

Lee Camp · 7:34 PM

And the Yes Men have picked up their torch.

Lee Camp · 7:34 PM

I got to interview Paul Krassner on my podcast awhile back - he actually came up with the term "yippie"

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“again, hoover EAVESDROPPED, the NSA collects a series of 1s & 0s, i think our oversimplification is why we can't have real dialogues in this country”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:35 PM

Dan -we are having a real dialogue

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:35 PM

just because it's always been happening doesn't make it OK

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:35 PM

and it's never happened like this before

Lee Camp · 7:35 PM

@Dan - It's funny that you just very much oversimplified that. You made it sound like 1's and 0's can't be read by the NSA. But of course it's not 1's and 0's once it's been analyzed. It's very specific data.

Lee Camp · 7:36 PM

@Hand - Maybe this is what you meant, but NY state just passed a law saying you can't "harass" cops.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hand Tomouth

“@troy just wait, soon we'll be arrested for "annoying" cops... things are getting worse and people still aren't waking up.”

Lee Camp · 7:37 PM

So @Dan - that's where it goes next. What if we say "harassing" things in our emails? That's where we'll find ourselves in no time.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:37 PM

Shit - at some point my tweets may get me arrested

Lee Camp · 7:37 PM

Also, last point, (and thank you Dan for bringing these up) people are ALREADY in jail with no trial or charges.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:37 PM

I'm committing a twelony

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:38 PM

Yes, felony by twitter is a twelony

Lee Camp · 7:38 PM

80-some prisoners at Guantanamo have no charges whatsoever AND have been cleared for release! And they are not being released.

Lee Camp · 7:38 PM

Where are we as a country when we can be jailed with no charges? It's honestly back before the magna carta.

Lee Camp · 7:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ivan Rehder

“Why isn't the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, being charged with lying to Congress?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:39 PM

Yet another example of lawlessness. Justice may be blind, but she can sure smell money and power...

Lee Camp · 7:39 PM

@Ivan - Great point. Clapper said they were not collecting data on millions of people and then later said "it was the least untrue statement I could give." Meaning he ADMITTED he lied to congress.

Lee Camp · 7:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Amazing how Snowden is charged with espionage 12 hours after he left the country, but five years after the banks destroyed the economy not one banker has been charged with any crime, in spite of overwhelming evidence”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Teresa Ellsworth

“Put Clapper in the Clapper.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:40 PM

I think part of our collective frustration is that we can continue to create mountains of evidence of the complete corruption of our country, yet nothing changes

Lee Camp · 7:41 PM

@Seth - Don't you remember?? Eric Holder said the banks are too big to PROSECUTE! It's just not an option to hold them accountable.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“So apparently the 2nd Amendment can't be touched but it's open season on all the others”

Lee Camp · 7:41 PM

So basically, stopping the banks from being criminals is bad for the economy!

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lee Irminger

“What do you think of resistance by developing independent food sources and networks?”

Lee Camp · 7:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“it's hard to have a real dialogue when we keep hoping around. big bank's crimes don't justify snowden's crimes any more than what the taliban does justifies us toruturing”

Lee Camp · 7:42 PM

@Dan - No, you're right. What justifies Snowden's crimes is the crimes he revealed.

Lee Camp · 7:42 PM

As we're always told "If you see something, say something." Thank goodness Snowden took that to heart.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“dan I get you are all for gathering intelligence.. but why should the people be treated like we have none? Like, why can't we know the truth? wouldn't that make us better equipped to deal with anything that comes our way?”

Lee Camp · 7:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“can i get an upvote on the fundamental question of -- is it ever oka to gather intelligence?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:43 PM

Dan - if you discovered that the US government was breaking the law, which is the crime - reporting it or not?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:44 PM

Yes - it is OK to gather intelligence

Lee Camp · 7:44 PM

As we've seen, soldiers that commit war crimes, such as Lindy England or Graner, serve only a few years. And in fact many, such as the pilots who killed the Reuters journalist in the famous video, get awards for it. BUT if you reveal war crimes -

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:44 PM

prism is not that

Lee Camp · 7:44 PM

as Bradley Manning did, you go to jail for life.

Lee Camp · 7:44 PM

(as he probably will)

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:45 PM

@Dan, as stated earlier, it is a problem of proportion

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:45 PM

so the more alarming question is whether Manning and Snowden's sacrifices are in vain

Lee Camp · 7:45 PM

Quick self promo - Since the NSA already is, I hope you'll all follow me @LeeCamp on Twitter

Lee Camp · 7:46 PM

@Jordan - Truly alarming question.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:46 PM

Yeah - very poor etiquette to come to a Tawk but not follow on twitter - @jordanbirnbaum

Lee Camp · 7:46 PM

Although we have to remember (through all the bullshit media attention) that it's not about those individuals. It's about the crimes revealed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:47 PM

but is anything happening from those revelations? Nixon got impeached. What's happening now?

Lee Camp · 7:47 PM

Even if it were to turn out that Snowden is the WORST human being in the world and they find his girlfriend's head in a ditch and he flicks babies' ears, it wouldn't change the realizations he put forward.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hand Tomouth

“@lee and let's not forget Aaron Schwartz, Jeremy Hammond, whistle blowers are now considered people who have committed treason, disgusting”

Lee Camp · 7:47 PM

It wouldn't change the illegal nature of our government creating the largest warrantless surveillance state in history.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:47 PM

@hand here here!

Lee Camp · 7:48 PM

And of course Aaron Schwartz and so many others.

Lee Camp · 7:48 PM

And if there is one question I would ask @Dan - It's what do you expect will happen (even if you love Obama and Bush) when we end up with a true tyrant in the oval office, someone truly horrific? Does it bother you that they will have a dictator's

Lee Camp · 7:49 PM

toolkit at their finger tips?

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Teresa Ellsworth

“And nowMichael Hastings.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:49 PM

Yeah - the Michael Hastings death is WAY too suspicious

Lee Camp · 7:50 PM

@Dan - To answer your crimes question, watch some of the interviews with Glenn Greenwald, he speaks of the fact that classified court ruling found that Prism was unconstitutional and illegal.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“I'm still not sure what crimes were revealed? that is a falsehood, and one of the reasons we can't have an honest hyperbole free dialogue. NO crimes were revealed.”

Lee Camp · 7:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Gerard Westerhof

“what do you think of adleaks? http://www.adleaks.org/ Will this be a solution for leakers and their privacy?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:51 PM

@Dan - our not agreeing with you does not make this a dishonest, hyperbole-free dialogue.

Lee Camp · 7:51 PM

@Rachel - Yes, I think even the debate is a sad statement. As I said, it should be a non-issue. The issue should be the all-powerful corporate state that is now watching all our communications.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ivan Rehder

“Lying to Congress is a crime, Dan.”

Lee Camp · 7:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“does anyone else find it sickening that AMERICA is supposed to stand for TRUTH and JUSTICE above all else and here we sit debating whether a TRUTH TELLER is a criminal??”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:51 PM

Gerard - don't know it but I'll check it out

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:52 PM

OK - I want to close out with Obama's speech on climate change today

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:52 PM

but lee make your point first

Lee Camp · 7:52 PM

@Teresa - Yes, we have to also take a moment to remember Hastings, an incredible journalist. And no matter what the truth is, he should not have been targeted for investigation by the FBI.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:53 PM

@dan I'll schedule a tawk with you and we can have it out

Lee Camp · 7:53 PM

Journalism is truly under attack.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:53 PM

here here

Lee Camp · 7:53 PM

Anyway, go ahead Jordan. I missed Obama's climate speech. Any good or just more corporate tiptoeing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:54 PM

OK - Obama made a speech this afternoon at which he invoked executive action to impose carbon emissions on existing power plants. So my first question is,

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:54 PM

If he can do this by executive action, why wait 6 years?

Lee Camp · 7:54 PM

And let me just say that many are saying allowing the Keystone XL is game over for doing anything about climate change. The importance of stopping that pipeline cannot be overrated.

Lee Camp · 7:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“again - i see no real action here today. what does happen next? anyone?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:55 PM

ahh - my next point. Obama said he'll oppose the Keystone XL Pipeline (to great applause) but added...

Lee Camp · 7:55 PM

@Dan - Yes, we already went over Clapper's lies to congress. In fact he admitted he lied.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:55 PM

IF it proves to raise greenhouse emissions, which his own study has already falsely claimed it doesn't

Lee Camp · 7:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dan Cutler

“who lied to congress?? again that has not been asserted by anyone? i'm not sure why we keep having to jump into the land of hyperbole”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:56 PM

So Obama got applause for opposing the Keystone XL Pipeline even though he doesn't

Lee Camp · 7:56 PM

Argh. that's really sad.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:56 PM

And I am dying for Obama supporters (myself being a former one) to realize that HE IS LYING ALL THE TIME

Lee Camp · 7:56 PM

the tar sands is the most devastating action on the planet and it can't continue with the pipeline

Lee Camp · 7:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“organize and tell the truth.. the discussion of these issue it the first thing that can be done before change can happen @Lucy”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:57 PM

they're finding natural gas in water supplies left and right

Lee Camp · 7:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lee Irminger

“He left the KeyXL issue open for approval if it can be shown to not have a negative impact. Oil corps will be quick to show how clean it is.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:57 PM

EXACTLY, Lee

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:57 PM

This is how he's keeping progressives fooled

Lee Camp · 7:57 PM

@Lee - Lovely. Can't wait to see the fully funded corporate studies. They're always entertaining.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:57 PM

Just like Clinton did as he rerpealed Glass Steagall, signed NAFTA, The Telecommunications Act, etc.

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:59 PM

@Lucy What happened here to day is we're a little more informed, a little less isolated, and we're putting the message out to the world

Lee Camp · 7:59 PM

The corporate state (and by association free market) turns everything into a commodity - The environment, the people, everything. And they're exploited until they're gone or it collapses.

Lee Camp · 7:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Bill Breidenstein

“The Nestles of the world want to privatize water so they do not care if the ground water is contaminated.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 7:59 PM

There's always a profit motive....

Lee Camp · 8:00 PM

Yeah, water is the next big battle. We need some brilliant 14 year-old to come up with a cheap and easy desalination machine

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:00 PM

I'm still waiting for Tesla's technology...

Lee Camp · 8:00 PM

And then because he's 14 and hasn't been taught not to do anything without profit, he'll give his design away to the world for free.

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:00 PM

That idea seems to have died with Jonas Salk

Lee Camp · 8:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Jordan,i SO hope you are right,i really do.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:01 PM

All right kids- this was great - let's do it again. Lee, you're a friend and an inspiration. KEEP FIGHTING! And everyone check out Moment Of Clarity on leecamp.net

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Teresa Ellsworth

“I can't type worth shit these days. The next batlle is TPP where any country can impose their garbage on any other country wherever and however they want.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hand Tomouth

“Well I feel better having been here with like minded people. But any ideas on how to grow, we need everybody...”

Lee Camp · 8:02 PM

Hey guys, I have a brand new Moment of Clarity video just posted 8 seconds ago. It's called "There is no such thing as silence" - http://youtu.be/XmXyDFtLG5w

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:02 PM

see -teresa gives us our next topic, and hand gives us hope

Lee Camp · 8:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“GLOBAL MARCH FOR PEACE AND UNITY ON SEPTEMBER 21st! Check Facebook to see if your city is involved and if not, MAKE IT SO!”

Lee Camp · 8:03 PM

Yeah, everybody shout out your protests and we'll post them (in the next 12 seconds)

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:03 PM

All my support, Sophia!

Lee Camp · 8:03 PM

Also, please everybody keep in touch and subscribe to my stuff at LeeCamp.net and @LeeCamp on twitter. I love keeping in touch with the fighters out there.

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:03 PM

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“KEEP FIGHTING EVERYONE!! and to NSA - up yours!!!”

Lee Camp · 8:03 PM

And those people who also enjoy dressing up as Power Rangers.

Lee Camp · 8:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

“Moms Across America March Against Monsanto July 4 - "Take it to Main Street"”

Lee Camp · 8:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“"March Against Corruption" is nationwide Nov. 2nd they have a FB page titled the same..”

Lee Camp · 8:04 PM

Yeah, there's lots of great stuff on July 4th.

Lee Camp · 8:05 PM

Don't know why that day... OH, I get it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lee Irminger

“https://www.facebook.com/WeAreFearlessSummer June 24 - 29”

Lee Camp · 8:05 PM

Alright, I'm out. Thanks everyone! My next talk will be with awesome activist and comedian Ted Alexandro.

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:06 PM

YES!!!

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:06 PM

OK friends - we'll Tawk soon. I love ya for making me feel less alone.

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:06 PM

And for anyone coming after the fact, click the Top button up above to pick this up from the beginning

Jordan Birnbaum · 8:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“endless petitions of the individual stated in the nations trying to ban GMOs in our food just signed one for Hawaii http://www.change.org/petitions/hawaii-council-members-vote-to-approve-bill-79-to-prohibit-gmo-crops-on-hawaii-island”

Jordan Birnbaum · 4:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Provenza

“Got here late. I'd just like to say that Lee Camp is one of the most interesting young comedians working today. I just like to tell people that whenever I have a chance.”

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Lee BolgerJun 25, 2013, 6:20 PM

In a recent interview the former health secretary of the UK said"if cigarettes wher classified using today's guidelines they would be classed as a CLASS A drug,the same as heroin and cocaine,such is the addiction level documented health hazards?

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 6:59 PM

where's LEE?

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:01 PM

Hi Lee Hi Jordan

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:01 PM

you!! dudes!! *waves*

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:01 PM

of "honor" lol.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:02 PM

get active? with no pants? :-O they are asking alot

Blake IanJun 25, 2013, 7:03 PM★ Spotlighted

@LEE The biggest upgrade to the app is that now everything you say is forwarded directly to the CIA. They developed a new plugin that makes it a snap!

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:03 PM

I just want to thank you guys for holding this dialogue on a topic that is urgently in need of discussion1

Christina BucciJun 25, 2013, 7:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Others already knew it was happening! (All of Congress)

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:04 PM

the point they are missing is that IT HAPPENED AND STILL IS!!

Asta SolliljaJun 25, 2013, 7:04 PM

Is Snowden real?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:04 PM

or the we don't have anything to hide defense... that doesn't matter! get pissed off that they think it's ok to spy on you regardless if you are doing anything wrong or not

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:06 PM

1984, 30 years later.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:06 PM

How is this program different than Echelon? Which has been in place since the 1960s and disclosed by both us as well as Britain in 2+ decades worth of hearings?

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:06 PM★ Spotlighted

Now I have to show my dealer how to use encrypted sms!!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:06 PM

afternoon Rick

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:06 PM

Can't we crowdblast the NSA with bad info?

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:07 PM

Hello, Lucy!

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:07 PM★ Spotlighted

I've always considered anything I say online equal to standing on the street and screaming out loud.

Asta SolliljaJun 25, 2013, 7:08 PM

Yeah, you can only be DUMB if you are awake, most people in the US are still sleeping!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:08 PM

Jordan I agree. Our nation has become very scared of its government and somehow not even realized that this crushing fear has been with them most of their lives.. very sad.

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:08 PM

Congress didn't know what was happening either...that is unless you were on the Intelligence Committee. Look at the comments from Senator Tester and Congressman Grayson.

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:08 PM

it's called plausible deniability! they "know"

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:08 PM

I think this was done at one point to screw up the bar codes when they first came into existance!

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:09 PM

but not poker-eh Lee? lol

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:10 PM

The NSA is happy to say that they thwarted all 50 attacks that they planned, recruited, and trained the people to do!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:10 PM

yes yes checks and balances that little thing they teach us about in 3rd grade, learning about the three branches of government.. ringing any bells? ;)

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:10 PM

"I think that "50 terrorist attacks" sounds like a nice, round number. Sounds good. Let's throw that out there for them to look at."

Gerard WesterhofJun 25, 2013, 7:10 PM

I think stopping 50 attacks is not worth it, while having spied upon how many people? 1000, 10000? And what is considered an attack in NSA eyes? Hell, what does terrorism even mean?

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:10 PM

Maybe we could start a new language.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:11 PM

Susan Collins assertion that she wasn't privvy to all the information does not mean she wasn't briefed on the program. Here is a list of the briefings that were held: 10/19/11: Meeting with Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Staffn1/10/12: House

Anyus GrassoJun 25, 2013, 7:11 PM

I would assume that by definition giving up freedoms to stop the terrorist that "hate out freedoms" doesn't really work...

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:11 PM

I'm not willing to give up my peanuts!

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:11 PM

Low Key reference

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:12 PM

How does anyone expect to watch baseball without peanuts?

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:12 PM

How many freedoms do we need to give up to stay free?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:12 PM★ Spotlighted

Because of peanut allergies we took the proactive step of banning ALL peanut based products from schools, hospitals and the like. as far as peanuts go, it's hard to imagine a more hard line stance, so i'm not sure your arguement is valid

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:12 PM

yes 50 supposed prevented attacks out of spying on millions... statistically that isn't very impressive.. or impressive at all. At least not enough to warrant this blatant espionage by the government.

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:12 PM★ Spotlighted

Doesn't the idea of checks and balances imply a transparency that goes both ways - we (the people) should get to know what the government is doing as much as they get to know what we're doing. And yeah, the government is now the corporate oligarchy.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

but Rick,are you REALLY free? i mean really?

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

Wall St

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

WAll Street!

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

WALL STREET!!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

Using or failure to crack down on corporate criminals doesn't really provide a fair argument as to why we shouldn't have a strong proactive intelligence network

Asta SolliljaJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

WALL STREET!

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:13 PM

No.

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:14 PM

We've become a nation of cowards... "and the home...of the...COWARDS"

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:14 PM

didnt think so

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:14 PM

"If you cant eat peanut products you are not American", I think Jimmy Carter said that.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:14 PM

just a groupie

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM★ Spotlighted

You're free before you're born and after you die.

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM

@ dan, you don;t get screened for peanuts when you walk in to a school, do you?

Lee BolgerJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM

Can we turn the Grand Canyon into a penal colony to home all the criminals brought to book by Prism?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM

totally agree with you on that Rick

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM

I don't think there's any evidence that Snowden has damaged America at all.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:15 PM

You can no longer purchase peanut products on planes nor are you provided with them. TSA doesn't search you for peanuts, but certainly they were removed from airlines

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:16 PM

no elementary schools, lee? what a bummer. i'm sure the kids would love your advertisments are a-holes bit!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:16 PM

and you are not permitted to bring them into schools. that is a strict policy. point still being, because of the rise in peanut allergies wholesale changes were made in a range of areas and sectors

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:16 PM

I've read that if you encrypt or use bit torrent you are watched more scrupulously.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:17 PM

and again, how is prism different than echelon?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:17 PM

PRISM is just the tip of a MUCH larger iceberg.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:17 PM★ Spotlighted

so I guess the real issue.. is what the hell can we DO about this?? Aside from getting the truth to the masses?

Gerard WesterhofJun 25, 2013, 7:17 PM

They said the same thing about Hitler

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:17 PM

There is no room in the public school system for reality or truth!!

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

I don't want Obama reading my mail, I mean he's kind of like a parent.

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

@Jordan those obama beliebers-oops- are clinically insane!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM★ Spotlighted

i think it's important to recognize prism has been in place, under one name or another for more than half a century. the reality is, as long as there have been third parties involved in communications, there has been espionage. that is the basis of i

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

what bothers me the most, perhaps, is the hypocrisy is how we continue to surrender the moral high ground.

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on me

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

intelligence gathering. are you suggesting we only use intel that is given to us willfully?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:18 PM

fucking Obama.. I foolishly believed in him once.. never again. people don't want to hear any bad about him either they act like he is the second coming... :/

Anthony DeMeoJun 25, 2013, 7:19 PM

I've been trying to log in for fifteen minutes, I think the NSA changed my password just after I made it.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:19 PM

and arguing checks and balances for a program that was approved and reviewed countless times. we voted in the legislators, hence checks & balances.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

the founding fathers never intended our national security to be mircomanaged and ever tactic put to a popular vote.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

OK no one is listening to me I guess I'll go eat peanuts

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

Kind of reminds me of the Who's song: Won't be Fooled Again

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

Get fooled again

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

wasnt he the one who during his campain said he'd post bills online for the people to read before they got voted on?

Rachael WorkmanJun 25, 2013, 7:20 PM

i'm listening to you @theresa!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:21 PM

i think it's a vital tool, yes. i recognize the difference between data mining and eaves-dropping, and i think it is essential we separate the two

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:21 PM

What does being the parent of a trans-gender have to do with it?

Lee BolgerJun 25, 2013, 7:21 PM

We have total transparency very thing we do is available to all,all you need is a badge that says you can take a peek?

Anthony DeMeoJun 25, 2013, 7:21 PM★ Spotlighted

I guess the question on everybodys mind is, how, now that all this momentum and investment has gone into watching everyone, how can it be stopped? boycott communicating?

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

Seth: and the line from that song - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

i did a paper on echelon in 2006, here is a direct quote: "ECHELON, according to information in the European Parliament document, "On the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

exactly Jordan.. I hate this "well it has been in place for a long time, so what are you going to do?" type of attitude. so we have been in the dark for awhile, why remain in the dark?

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

@Lee, I've been trying to explain to my friends that Laws and Police are only effective to keep us down as long as WE the PEOPLE accept their position as just-wouldn't you say?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

and PRISM dosent stop with phone tapping and the like in the US. the UK is in deep doodoo too

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:22 PM

(ECHELON interception system)" was created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early 1960s.[5]

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:23 PM

It's a good job - money wise - spying on people, and there aren't many good jobs out there and I'll never pay off my student loan until after I'm dead, that is if I get life insurance made out to Sallie Mae.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:23 PM★ Spotlighted

I'd like to know if you really believe - as I would like to - that the growth of the surveillance state is the push-back against the groundswell of public involvement and change? I mean, is there a change in public consciousness?

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:23 PM

I like to think the internet is a means of destroying the need for espionage and force us to cooperate.

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:23 PM

What can we do? Our version of the Arab Spring.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:23 PM

You are write, there is nothing stopping them. that is a reality of technology, but not of the program

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:24 PM

Thank you Rachael!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:24 PM

the fact is, there has been no evidence of wholesale eavesdropping, and i think it's important we deal with the evidence and not amplify to worst-case scenario

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:24 PM

@Jordan and how about the role of Supreme Court in the last Grand Jury against anarchists?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:24 PM

*right, not write (sorry guys, mobile right now)

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM

@Teresa I have just accepted the fact that I will be broke most my life. We can't let money win it doesn't equal happiness I am going broke for my MA and going to use it in a non-profit capacity as much as I can. Accept life with little to no money

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM

You sound Icelandic, Lee.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM

and start really living. :)

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM

i think it's easy to stir ire when we exaggerate a situation to its worst-case, but those are not the facts at hand

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM★ Spotlighted

They've stomped on our first amendment right, now they've stole our fourth. How do we garnish support and raise awareness on these issues. In other words, get the fuck out into the streets. If they can do it in Turkey, Brazil, etc. Why can't we?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM

The report concludes that, on the basis of information presented, ECHELON was capable of interception and content inspection of telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data traffic globally through the interception of communication bearers including..

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:25 PM★ Spotlighted

In the old days we used to always pick up the phone and say "Fuck Hoover" because we knew "they" were listening. And we ALWAYS spoke in code. No one does that anymore.

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

@Lee I think we have to cut off the sources of funding for DHS, NSA, et al.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

you can be invited too lee ;) lol

Anthony DeMeoJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

I guess the only upside to this, is if disclosure occurs, which let's make that happen what do you say? then all the corruption going on behind closed doors at the super funhouse known as the IRS and well, everywhere else in government would be seen.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

including satellite transmission, public switched telephone networks (which once carried most Internet traffic) and microwave links.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

to me, echelon sounds EXACTLY like prism

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

the cashier at the drugstore was stunned when I told her I didn't want to join their loyalty club because I don't want anyone to be able to track my purchases.

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

This Country has grown too complacent. Too many people with too much to lose = status quo.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:26 PM

The system has been reported in a number of public sources.[6] Its capabilities and political implications were investigated by a committee of the European Parliament during 2000 and 2001 with a report published in 2001

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:27 PM

I used to collect Air Miles for my dad until he asked me why he was getting air miles from the liquor.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:27 PM

I mean, i just moved from Oklahoma to Montana; not much activism going on there.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:27 PM

and again, stirring calls for revolution against paper monsters doesn't accomplish anything.

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:27 PM

Yes, but MT is great!

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:28 PM

hence all the ammo and coffins?

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:28 PM

All right I guess everyone knows each other here and they're just voting each other up. Weird tool. I'd rather do plain chat.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:28 PM

The Corporate States of America: of, for and by the corporations

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:28 PM

@HandtoMouth - We're scared. We are scared. The intimidation and the manufactured divisions between our manufactured factions are successful.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:28 PM

turkey and brazil both have unemployment rates over 40%, apples and oranges

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM

@Hand Tomouth Americans -en masse -tend to be too comfortable still to mass in the streets

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM

The monsters aren't paper, although we'd like to believe that. It makes it easier to got to work, to dinner and go home to TV.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM

dont be scared to do whats right. if going into the streets is whats needed,then DO IT! dont give a fuck what anyone else thinks - DO IT!!!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM

and what exactly did occupy accomplish? (and that question from a supporter)

Brittany ConnerJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM

Then how to make people uncomfortable enough to get off the couch and raise hell?

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:29 PM★ Spotlighted

What is it going to take for people to start fighting back in this country...that is why the hard-right wants people working all the time...so they don't know what's going on and how people are getting screwed

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:30 PM

It's good to hear some passion!

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:30 PM

Someone put up the Declaration of Independence and I read it and said, damn that's roght where we are now!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:30 PM

I DON'T KNOW! I am beating my head against a wall. I'm part of Moms Across America March Against Monsanto...and nobody in this town even gives two fucks! I don't know how to mobilize people - the facts don't appear to help!

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:30 PM

Right Clarence I got mine so I'm pulling the ladder away from the rest of you

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:31 PM

unfortunatly alot of people are tied to thier couches and just cant be arsed to get up and DO something about it. you wanna have something like Brazil and Istanbul? then get up off ya backsides and wave that banner,waves that flag

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:31 PM

fight back against what? again, we're yelling at paper monsters, we're not dealing with any real issues

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:31 PM

shout like theres no tomorrow,shout like you mean it!!!

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:31 PM

@Lee remember too the role of the high courts in NAZI Germany...

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:32 PM

forget individual political parties and and unite the people that way. we all want sustainable jobs, affordable healthcare, food and clothes to give to our children. We the people aren't as different as the gov makes us out to be.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:32 PM

Catch you guys on FB I feel so alone here! Buh bye!

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:32 PM

Between Clarence Thomas and Allen West, I'm not sure which one hates being black more

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:32 PM

Commitment and real action come at a personal cost.

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

I know this first hand.

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

what did orwell say about people not being able to wake up til after they revolt and they wont revolt til after they wake up?

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

how so rick?

Gerard WesterhofJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

Or food toxicated, numbed down etc.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

Ok wait, I see Someone voted for moi! Thanks!

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM★ Spotlighted

@LEE I remember as a kid, watching 'yippies' throw creem pies at politicians-now you get assault charges and prison for that fun

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

My blood on the streets of L.A.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:33 PM

no, no one EVER would persecute someone just because they are a minority.. I mean just take a look at the statistics of our prison system *sarcasm*

BADAndy Jun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM

Lee... On a different note, What's your feelings about doing the @JoeRogan Podacst....? We need you on man.!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM★ Spotlighted

again, hoover EAVESDROPPED, the NSA collects a series of 1s & 0s, i think our oversimplification is why we can't have real dialogues in this country

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM

and why we're stuck chasing our tails. generalizations don't help with specific problems.

Rick ColeJun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM

There was a well orchestrated voter suppression scheme during the last election up here in Canada in May 2011. They used Conservative Party polling data to target non-Conservative voters and made robo-calls telling people their poll was moved

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM

Remind me never to call Lee Camp!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:34 PM

hahaha I'm going to use that from now on Lee lol! "jihad" haha

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:35 PM★ Spotlighted

@troy just wait, soon we'll be arrested for "annoying" cops... things are getting worse and people still aren't waking up.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:35 PM

do you think any intelligence gathering ok?

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

but the rulers aren't here to listen

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

so,no-one wants to rise up and do something about this? no-one here is willing to say "yes i WILL rise up and do something!"? (shakes head). you know thats the saddest thing i see

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

and if you'll allow to have my echelon question to be read, i think you'll see it has been happening for 5 decades

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

dan your agenda is showing.. why not take a look at the fact that we the people are pissed that our government only knows how to speak to us through scare tactics..

Anthony DeMeoJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

Dan Cutler obviously works for the NSA, I'm joking, but seriously, don't be surprised if they contact you for a job Dan.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

The 1's and 0's are language.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM★ Spotlighted

Amazing how Snowden is charged with espionage 12 hours after he left the country, but five years after the banks destroyed the economy not one banker has been charged with any crime, in spite of overwhelming evidence

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

we need a way to talk to the corporate elite to make it a dialogue

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:36 PM

i agree, but it is not eavesdropping

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM

@LEE I would also like to tell you all here, as a vet, I am much more happy to take an ass whipping for any of your rights here in America than get my ass shot off in some god-forsaken desert!

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM★ Spotlighted

What do you think of resistance by developing independent food sources and networks?

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM★ Spotlighted

Why isn't the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, being charged with lying to Congress?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM

people dont want to wake up. people dont want to change their comfortable life that they have.

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM

@hand you can in NY!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM

i think the projection of a worse-case scenario isn't needed. instead of discussing 'what's next' why don't we deal with our current reality?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:37 PM

do you think any intelligence gathering is ok?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:38 PM

i agree, imprisonmnet without due process is SHAMEFUL

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:38 PM

The bill, passed by the State Senate on Wednesday, makes it a felony to “harass, annoy, threaten or alarm” an duty police officer

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:38 PM

@Lee they use the word annoying and yes that's what i'm speaking about. It's so subjective.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:38 PM

but again, i ask, is any intelligence gathering ok? can i get an answer on that?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:38 PM

exactly under a police state with no protection for our own individual freedoms.. is the world you wish to hand over to your children or the future generations I am scared shitless of what is to come for my nephews. which is why change is so needed.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

people are all talk and action!!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

i think we have to go back to the basics and strip away the conspiracy theories. is it ok to collect intelligence??

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

oops

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

people are all talk and NO action!

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

I never say anything to anyone! I just sing. children's nursery rhymes. No one knows what I'm talking about, so it all works out.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM★ Spotlighted

So apparently the 2nd Amendment can't be touched but it's open season on all the others

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

Not to mention how they wanted to treat the "Boston Bombers" as enemy combatants.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM

that predates christ. the trojan war was an intelligence operation

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:39 PM★ Spotlighted

Put Clapper in the Clapper.

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:40 PM

and yet, Obama and his minions keep talking about the "Rule of Law" without the entire room breaking out in laughter

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:40 PM

and i bet PRISM/NSA has all that evidence on the bankers too

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:40 PM★ Spotlighted

it's hard to have a real dialogue when we keep hoping around. big bank's crimes don't justify snowden's crimes any more than what the taliban does justifies us toruturing

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:41 PM

on the subject of intelligence, is it ever ok to gather intel from a third party?

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:41 PM

Most people are all talk until they're lives are directly impacted.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:41 PM

Of course they've enough evidence against the banks to shut them down, but the bankers are equal opportunity contributors so neither party does squat

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 7:41 PM

@Seth and a poorly interpreted 2nd amendment at that!

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:41 PM

Nothing changes because we need to LIVE in the streets like certain parts of Europe and South America!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

@ Dan - Snowden didn't commit a real crime, Bro.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

and thats the sad part of it all Rick. no-one wants to DO anything about it. just sit there and talk about it

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM★ Spotlighted

dan I get you are all for gathering intelligence.. but why should the people be treated like we have none? Like, why can't we know the truth? wouldn't that make us better equipped to deal with anything that comes our way?

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

Again they can only punish us if we collectively continue to agree they have the right to punish us

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM★ Spotlighted

can i get an upvote on the fundamental question of -- is it ever oka to gather intelligence?

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

Maybe it was easier in the late 60's. We fought in the streets to avoid fighting in the jungle.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

Too Big to Fail, and apparently too big to jail

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:42 PM

@ Lee Irminger: Hell yes! Losing control of our food systems and our concepts of what food is has put us in extreme danger!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

is that not the foundation of a the intelligence community -- that predates Paul Revere. Ben Franklyn gathered intel for us

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

@troy, I agree but the million dollar question is how do we collectively educate the masses?

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

Remember, government derives it's "just powers" from consent of those governed-I FOR ONE do NOT CONSENT!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

Franklyn spied on both the french and the english

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

but they were not breaking the law. they were following a law that was voted in and reviewed. on one is suggesting any laws were broken

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:43 PM

OK is not the correct question.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

can i get an upvote on the response?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

snowden is not a criminal. he is a JUST American citizen who say ruthless killing and didn't turn his back, instead who spoke out.

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

the climate crisis puts us all in this together; as a global community, we don't need to by spying on each other; what good does that do anybody?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

exactly Rick. why cant people do that now? what cant people like Brazil?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

oops "who saw killing"

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

if it's ok to gather intelligence, than how do you do that covertly without spying? that is the definition of intelligence gathering

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:44 PM

@ Dan I argued with Carl Bernstein when he sain in the school of journalism @ Columbia that Americans can't handle real news, he actually said that!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

and again, no laws were broken, there is no suggestion any laws were broken. snowden didn't whistle-blow -- he leaked - ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

iNTEL IS GATHERED -NEEDS GATHERING-WHEN IT IS DETERMINED THAT AN INVESTIGATION/ACTION IS WARRANTED

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

the point is when they are spying on EVERYONE it becomes a bit of a problem.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

Very true statement, in Europe the govt is afraid of the people, in the US the people are afraid of the govt

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

Because their lives aren't directly threatened. Because their friends aren't being killed. Because they like their little slice of reality.

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

OOPS sorry caps >facepalm<

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

ah but Troy,how do you determine that action IS needed and not just cos they feel like it?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:45 PM

he's not a hero, he's a coward who then fled to the most repressive nations on earth. that's not civil disobeiance. the nature of civil disobediance is you confront an unjust law and you fight it in courts

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM★ Spotlighted

@lee and let's not forget Aaron Schwartz, Jeremy Hammond, whistle blowers are now considered people who have committed treason, disgusting

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

I said just give us the truth and we are old enough to sort it out for ourselves.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

Dr. King did that, lenny bruce did that, even Dr. kervorkian did that. if you want to insitigate change you don't flee

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

He certainly didn't help his case by fleeing to oppressive regimes.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

yeah because the courts aren't corrupt...

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

Seth,thats cos the people are fighting back and giving in to the shit thats being dished out

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:46 PM

*not

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:47 PM

I mean you just have no idea apparently how corrupt the system is. had he stayed he would have been locked up for life.. maybe not even given a trial.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:47 PM

But did Mr Watergate believe me? Hell no!

Anyus GrassoJun 25, 2013, 7:47 PM

Dan, I don't think fighting it in court is a real possibility...

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:47 PM★ Spotlighted

And nowMichael Hastings.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:47 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm still not sure what crimes were revealed? that is a falsehood, and one of the reasons we can't have an honest hyperbole free dialogue. NO crimes were revealed.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:48 PM

if telling the truth is wrong,then arrest me

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:48 PM

you can't blow a whistle on a legal program that was adopted by democratically elected officials.

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:48 PM

@LEE so many seem to be telling themselves this lie of 'moralality' these villains on capitol hill have no morals when it comes to our rights

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:48 PM★ Spotlighted

does anyone else find it sickening that AMERICA is supposed to stand for TRUTH and JUSTICE above all else and here we sit debating whether a TRUTH TELLER is a criminal??

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:49 PM

lol moralality-wow

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:49 PM

Sorry I can't follow on twitter I only have my password saved on Chrome and I'm on Firefox now.

Gerard WesterhofJun 25, 2013, 7:49 PM★ Spotlighted

what do you think of adleaks? http://www.adleaks.org/ Will this be a solution for leakers and their privacy?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:49 PM

there is a difference between breaking a law and following a law you don't agree with. but THAT is the nature of our democracy

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM

again, stating we will have a dictator is going to a worse-case conspiracy scenario that does not address our reality

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM

@Rahel,no not really. thats america for you.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM

as i stated before, the easiest thing to do is to stir ire with fake boogeymen, but that is not our reality. that is a projection borm from your fears.

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Lying to Congress is a crime, Dan.

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM

@ Rachel, we live in an Orwellian world these days!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:50 PM

what about the original laws set forth in our constitution; the right to assembly, the right to speak freely.. I guess those laws get ignored...

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:51 PM

@Lucy well I say fuck that things need to change!

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:51 PM

We don't need fake boogeymen - their are plenty of real ones to go around. If you want to see them, that is.

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 7:51 PM

There

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:51 PM★ Spotlighted

who lied to congress?? again that has not been asserted by anyone? i'm not sure why we keep having to jump into the land of hyperbole

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:52 PM

we need a dialogue with the corporate elite; anybody have any idea how we could swing that?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:52 PM

you guys may not agree with me, but let's deal with facts and not the projections of your fears

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:52 PM

Clapper lied to congress!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:52 PM

greenwald is a journalist, a good one, but certainly not an authortaive voice on national security

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

@Dan Clapper lied!

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

Obama has prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other President

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

@Ivan Rehder but congress can lie to us huh?

Ivan RehderJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

Dan, aren't you concerned with secret unconstitutional activity in addition to "crimes"?

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

and susan collins WAS invited to two dozen hearings, she never showed up. she even skipped the one 2 weeks ago.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

Dan, we've already been over this IN THIS TALK. Read it again and see if you can find the answer!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

@Dan there are plenty of places to find the information you seek. Maybe you should have educated yourself on these matter before entering the conversation repeating

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM

the assault on journalism is the biggest dark spot on this presidency

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:53 PM★ Spotlighted

again - i see no real action here today. what does happen next? anyone?

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 7:54 PM

Not to mention arrested more people for doing marijuana than anyone else, despite being an avid smoker himself

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:54 PM

@ Jordan, because he won't be in office?

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 7:54 PM

lucy, what did you expect????

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:55 PM

@Lucy Dyer Black Bloc! al La Barikadoj!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:55 PM★ Spotlighted

organize and tell the truth.. the discussion of these issue it the first thing that can be done before change can happen @Lucy

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:55 PM

Did O make a stsement on XL?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:56 PM

anyone else think Obama said no to keystone cos of what the public wanted? if we,the public,can do that,think of what else we can do

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 7:56 PM★ Spotlighted

He left the KeyXL issue open for approval if it can be shown to not have a negative impact. Oil corps will be quick to show how clean it is.

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:56 PM

he lied according to Rand Paul, sorry i don't put any validity on anything paul says. he was a politician dancing around a topic. as every talking point spewing politician does.

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:56 PM

oh absolutely.. Lucy! he has to throw the public a bone every once in a while or they will catch on..

Troy YountsJun 25, 2013, 7:56 PM

@ to quote the Sproul Hall Address "we have to put our bodies upon the wheels of the machine"

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

@Lucy get into gardening, networking, and resistance

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

do you really think Obama wanted keystone stopped? really?

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

I'm a recovering Obamite, and I'll never trust him again!

Dan CutlerJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

and again, the nature of intelligence gathering requires covert action, putting your intentions on billboards probably isn't the smartest way to protect our nation

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

@Lucy no (if you are talking to me lol)

Steven BellJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

fracking!!!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

rachel,discussion is good but what then? when do we take that action?

Susan TribbyJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

we don't have a nation if the earth is destroyed

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 7:57 PM

Consider the pipeline a done deal. If you think otherwise and fall for more of his lies, we're done for. Sadly. On a happier note, oh wait nothing happy...

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:58 PM

Look at the Gulf! All clean there now no?

Bill BreidensteinJun 25, 2013, 7:58 PM★ Spotlighted

The Nestles of the world want to privatize water so they do not care if the ground water is contaminated.

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:58 PM

@Lee,well i am 2 thirds there!! lol so i am doing my bit

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 7:59 PM

BP cleaned the Gulf like those Ladsy cleaner rape kits they have down there in Texas!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:59 PM

@Lucy I don't know you want to start a page together.. get the information out there get the facts to the people link, inform and protest and get involved with things like this march against corruption they are planning or the current marches and

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 7:59 PM

petitions against monsanto and GMO's

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 7:59 PM★ Spotlighted

@Jordan,i SO hope you are right,i really do.

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 8:00 PM

Why are there no calls to stop the warrantless searches?

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM

p.s. I plan on marching against corruption.. nov. 2nd this year.. who's with me?

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM

oi Camp!! why does it have to be a HE ? there are girls out there ya know :-)

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM★ Spotlighted

Well I feel better having been here with like minded people. But any ideas on how to grow, we need everybody...

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM★ Spotlighted

I can't type worth shit these days. The next batlle is TPP where any country can impose their garbage on any other country wherever and however they want.

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM★ Spotlighted

GLOBAL MARCH FOR PEACE AND UNITY ON SEPTEMBER 21st! Check Facebook to see if your city is involved and if not, MAKE IT SO!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:01 PM

haha yes women are amazing scientists and free thinkers too.. ;)

Rick RosnerJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM

Thanks, guys!

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM

peace out !

Gerard WesterhofJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM

I still like this idea: http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_wilson_my_radical_plan_for_small_nuclear_fission_reactors.html because it's being explained by a 19 year old. People should be aware of how many (young) people have great ideas!

Teresa EllsworthJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM

Thanks!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM

Thanks @Sophia I'm going to check it out! :)

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2013, 8:02 PM★ Spotlighted

KEEP FIGHTING EVERYONE!! and to NSA - up yours!!!

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:03 PM

thanks Lee and Jordan and everyone else

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:03 PM

PRIDE on Saturday in Support of Bradley Manning in NYC

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 8:03 PM

thanks guys! this was great!

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJun 25, 2013, 8:03 PM★ Spotlighted

Moms Across America March Against Monsanto July 4 - "Take it to Main Street"

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:03 PM★ Spotlighted

"March Against Corruption" is nationwide Nov. 2nd they have a FB page titled the same..

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 8:04 PM

The NSA thanks you for your comments and looks forward to reading more of them

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 8:04 PM

https://www.facebook.com/WeAreFearlessSummer

Lee IrmingerJun 25, 2013, 8:04 PM★ Spotlighted

https://www.facebook.com/WeAreFearlessSummer June 24 - 29

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:04 PM

March Against Monsanto October 12

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:04 PM

"March against Monsanto" Oct. 12th (also have a FB)

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:05 PM

Restore the Fourth - July 4th

Hand TomouthJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

I love ted!

Sophia BelitaJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

peace out, lee! love ya man!

Seth HochmanJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

Great Tawk guys

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM★ Spotlighted

endless petitions of the individual stated in the nations trying to ban GMOs in our food just signed one for Hawaii http://www.change.org/petitions/hawaii-council-members-vote-to-approve-bill-79-to-prohibit-gmo-crops-on-hawaii-island

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

they only need like 40 more signatures GO HELP Hawaii out! :)

neil justinJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

@Lee peace bro

Rachel McDonnellJun 25, 2013, 8:06 PM

awesome thanks again guys..

Paul ProvenzaJun 25, 2013, 8:20 PM★ Spotlighted

Got here late. I'd just like to say that Lee Camp is one of the most interesting young comedians working today. I just like to tell people that whenever I have a chance.

James MayleJun 25, 2013, 8:32 PM

George Carlin : " Half The People Are Stupid, The other half are Stupider."

BADAndy Jun 25, 2013, 8:46 PM

Lee... You're the shit man... keep fighting brother.! #Deathsquad. Oh yea, and holla at @joerogan for a meeting of the minds

Jordan SudyJul 27, 2013, 9:16 PM

great tawk!