Lee Camp

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Digital Activism - Let's Do It!

Jan 15, 2014·311 visitors

Eleanor Goldfield

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Stage· 337 messages

Jan 15, 2014

Comedian Lee Camp and Rooftop Revolutionaries' lead singer Eleanor Goldfield cover the ins and outs of digital activism in their weekly "Moment of Clarity" tawk.

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“'Ello Loves!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

Hey everyone!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

Stoked to see the conversation is already under way!

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Hey everyone!

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Thanks for coming and please post this link on your FB and shit so that others will join us!

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

This turns out to be an important day to talk about this subject because there was a major blow to net neutrality today. For those of you who don't know, net neutrality is what has allowed the information revolution to take place.

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

Without it, providers (like Verizon) can speed up or slow down the traffic of anything they want. So they will inevitably slow down traffic to activist sites and speed up traffic to, say, Walmart.com. -

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

Michael Copps, former FCC commissioner and now adviser for Common Cause: "Without prompt corrective action by the Commission to reclassify broadband, this awful ruling will serve as a sorry memorial to the corporate abrogation of free speech."

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

So basically what Eleanor and I are saying is that we need to wake everyone up about net neutrality or else online activism is dead.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

In a nutshell, yes

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Here's the article about the courts ruling against it. Read this later - n http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/14/3160231/federal-court-deals-blow-open-internet-access/

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

Of course, there was little to no fanfare about this on corporate media.

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I bet they'd slow down this Tawk!”

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Jordan's right - they would totally slow down this talk.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

However, something that feeds into digital activism on the whole is the presence of alternative media sites reporting on this sort of news

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

I'm convinced we could get people angry about ending net neutrality if we just called it "slow porn"

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

Ha!

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

ending net neutrality = slow porn

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“they may take away our internet...but they'll never take away our activism!! grrr!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

You clearly know how to reach people, Lee

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

damn straight!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“does that apply to Canada as well?”

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

I don't know - maybe someone else knows about canada

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

I don't know about Canada but I wouldn't be surprised if that was in the works as well

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

as we've learned with the NSA - the ruling elite will use any means at their disposal to control the masses - so if we take away net neutrality, it will be used for control

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Lee just tell people over 30 that porn is going to go back to that really long, grainy pictured slow download format...”

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“Canada's internet is among the worst in 1st world counties. Slow, and way overpriced.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“On a positive note, this proves they're shakin' in their moon boots....utterly terrified of the impact we can have around the world with each other.”

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

So maybe people can start listing their favorite forms of online activism and we can discuss from there

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

I think over the past few years we've seen how amazingly useful it's been

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

@Helena, it certainly does show that digital activism is a powerful tool

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

The Arab Spring alone would not have been what it was without digital platforms

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Everything from Occupy to stopping SOPA and PIPA to stopping war with Syria...

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

And just yesterday, the Kelly Thomas verdict flooded twitter and FB with action

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“This is just as bad as Christie creating unnecessary traffic on a bridge. It's Verizon creating unnecessary traffic on the Net.”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

Jordan! That's a great idea. We should compare it to Christie!

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

I'm totally stealing that.

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“BLAME CANADA!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

That is a damn good analogy

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Jordan - maybe they'll get Christie to sit on the internet cable....”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

No Eleanor, it's mine now!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

Ha!

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“There is also the increasing possibility that another internet will be created for the elites, one that will have the bandwitdth equivalent to Christie”

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I think my favorite online activism is networking. It's so much easier now to get information from the people doing the work and finding ways to plug in from those who are already involved.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

Don't worry Lee - I'm not planning on starting any standup

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

Michael, they don't want their own internet. They want to take away the people's ability to communicate easily.

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“i encourage lots online activism, but being a sea fairing soul and the urgent need to look after the ocean and her creatures i focus on that.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“I know from my experience posting eye opening events has opened the eyes of all my friends, now they are posting stuff as well, the tiniest pebble can produce a tidal wave if used properly.”

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee, true.. but those ya know, they prolly want their cake and to eat it too!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

And that's what makes it so useful - the ability to not just preach to a choir but engage with new people

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

Michael - the elite actually unveiled their own news site just this week - headed by Huffington, called World Post

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“I enjoy working with movements on things such as "TwitterStorm" and with online programs such as "ThunderClap" to reach out to the masses.”

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

What have people found most effective? Twitter storms? FB viral memes? All these things are great.

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

Twitter is amazing because the "elite" actually have to see what you say to them.

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Really?! I didn't see that Lee. THey should have went with Fluffington Post.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

And of course groups like Anonymous

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

And the worldwide wave of action

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

I think Anonymous and Wikileaks scares the powers that be more than anything else.

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“YES, @Lee! It's easier to open people's eyes to new issues with social media. I've had people respond to things in my feed about reproductive justice with "Wait, what country is this about?" because they didn't know & then they want to get involved.”

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“I believe all forms together make a monster they are afraid of...hence all the legislation to limit the internet like china and N Korea.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

That's really powerful

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dave Pallister

“I am also affiliated with The Venus Project doing both online and real life activism AND I heard Occupy is coming back to Nottingham on Feb. 2”

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Reposting videos such as your own @lee camp and @eleanorgoldfield as well as consistently having outlets such as your Moment of Clarity, RT, Breaking The Set, James Corbett, BuzzSaw, and many more to keep up to date.”

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“There are gaps in online activism as some are starting to see it only as attempts to get traffic or simply a reaction. I wish there was more of a cohesiveness in how it is presented.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

There are hubs that attempt that cohesiveness, Brad

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Brad has a good point - sometimes online activism can be pulled to extremism and conspiracy because that gets the most reaction.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

Of course, it is still very new so it's hard to wrangle this behemoth

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

Also things like "net neutrality" get no reaction because they sound boring and don't have panda bears involved.

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Agreed. Anon and WL are an example of how individuals really good at coding, outside of the financial oligarchy, can crack the secrecy and say "fuck that." that is unprecedented, till now.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“yes sharing lee camp videos that stirs it up”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

But some sites do a pretty good job of bringing some organization to digital activism

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

like change.org

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

crowdvoice.org is another good one

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“True Eleanor... I think the SOPA campaign last year was beautifully orchestrated”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“If it weren't for online activism, I would never have even known about the Toilet Paper Partnership, I mean, Trans Pacific Partnership.”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

Brad - yes, the SOPA campaign was perfect

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“its all very well posting stuff on twitter or Facebook,and you may get some likes and rt's BUT does it really change anyones mind? for some maybe,but for the vast majority,i would say no. and that is the difficult part”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

And Aaron Schwarz was essentially murdered for it. That shows how much this scares the plutocrats

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Geary

“I think it goes in waves. Not everyone is on the same page, but sooner or later something get's through and bam pow! It's on.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

It's a question of doing digital activism using twitter and facebook and other outlets, not just posting a random tweet now and then.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

And working together with other groups and organizations online

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Well played Jordan. Well played. TPP is a real threat, being fasttracked whilst, ya know, we argue ad naseum about a bridge that may or may not have been closed for political reasons.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

Exactly. Gotta love corporate media

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peri Lane

“Lucy, some might not change minds, but in a lot of cases, people are entirely unaware of things, or thinking backwards. I know many cases of people having their eyes opened -- online.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“@eleanorgoldfield That's what the Common Ground movement believes in as well...brining everyone together, putting our opinions and differences aside to become one bigger unit than many individual groups.”

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

And the truth is sometimes we need to view Activism as work. It can't all be fun and games.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

Yes, Helena

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

Those twitter storms are really great #FindTheCommonGround

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

Getting the message out can take some time and effort that's not always fun.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

but it can be fun too!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

I mean here we are digitally discussing activism and we could all be sitting there with no pants drinking hot chocolate

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Pat, seems like you're the only one having the issue right now. But yes, probably NSA

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Sorry I'm late…browser would not take me to tawkers so was typing in duck dynasty instead and it comes right up and eventually I made it here. Welcome to NO net neutrality!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, this may have already been stated, but I wonder if there needs to be a coordination between digital and physical, artistic expressions, like what you and Lee have been doing. We need to replicate that model!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

Michael - yes!

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Eleanor - when is that Tawk?

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“@Lee - so true...I work with Zeitgeist and you think that a movie with 20M views would be known in my local town..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

Just like the live show or performance will never die, physical activism can't either

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

Ha - that's the next tawk, clearly :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

But back to Michael's point - the two must go hand in hand.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

Hot chocolate now, screaming on stage later

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Physical activism is equally important. These things have to work together like that fist in the movie "Mandela" about that guy, can't remember who it was.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

It's a balance. And art is a tremendously effective way of engaging people, from all areas geographically, socially, politically and economically

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Speaking of activism working together, I want to again mention my favorite online activist plan of late - the World Wide Wave of Action

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

http://waveofaction.org

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

That is a great site

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“alot of us have been nieve sheeple who hate to rock the boat, now it's time to tip it over!”

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“I think physical activism and digital can be coordinated to go hand-in-hand”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

Sites like that one that provide digital activism and ways to act in the physical world are, I think, the most effective

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

It's a plan to coordinate mass nonviolent protest of many stripes beginning on April 4th

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

and going until July 4th

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“There are way too many comics out there like Jizzonmyneck and Tosh that are really super talented but dont see the bigger picture and make critiques. Lee is a rarity.”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Love you, Michael.

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“mass sidewalk chalking?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“physical and digital activism is already working together. look at how many people go on marches or are protests and video it or photograph it.”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Sophia - that is one of the many things planned. There are all kinds of stunts, etc.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

Yes Lucy - and that is the best blend of activism

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Yes Eleanor! Have you guys thought about doing a traveling act? Or maybe putting together a festival?”

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Michael, we have discussed a joint tour!

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Scheduling gets in the way for now.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

But a tour like that is a great idea

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

And what Free & Equal are doing in May with the United We Stand fest

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

Yes, United We Stand might have a college tour

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

These big events that bring people together for entertainment and activism

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“if you two do that,i want a front row ticket! :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“maybe just do some spot shows with some activist movements...supporting roles”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ahhhhh I see. Well, I'll be one of your groupies. Or I could be an opener maybe! Er, i can juggle, i think..”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

By the way, speaking of cool digital activism tools (besides Tawkers) people should use www.DonateYourAccount.com if you have an organization or cause that posts a lot of great content.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

haha - I love that you guys are helping us plan this tour :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Aarons Nelsons

“Later this year we want to setup a Common Ground tour with music, activists, speakers, comedians, etc.. @helenakirby”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

Well Aarons, you know where to find me

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

I have one at www.DonateYourAccount.com/LeeCamp but I think it can be used even better for important organizations

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“Did my first Zeitgeist Media Fest/Food Drive last summer....its the most attention we've received in the community. All I did is bring some bands together”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“YES Donate Your Account is so helpful to everyone who uses it. It's free, takes 30 seconds and is the fastest way to amplify a voice you believe in.”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

Basically you sign up and forget about it and it allows the org to post via your Twitter or FB account (only a certain number of posts)

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“timebanking is great, too. there are a few webites all about it..”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“Perhaps we should link the ad banner at the bottom of your Tawks to that site to donate?? (I know a guy)”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“Tours and stunts are nice and all, but the #1 long-term improvement is money out of politics. It's the first domino that needs toppling. Wolf-pac.com”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

Well Pat, they're not stunts

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

They're creative activism

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

Pat - tours and stunts help get money out politics

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

Stunts like stamping your money with "movetoamend" on it or "wolf pac"

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

Like it or not, people like to be entertained and that's ok. Why not give them entertainment that actually means something

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“DonateYourAccount! Maybe I'll do that with my political commentary I do at Mediaroots.org!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

RR did a show for Move to Amend a couple of years ago

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

It was a great success.

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

I knew I liked you, Michael. Didn't know you work with Abby.

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Michael -- anyone can start a campaign. Super easy.”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“If you aren't sure whether one of the people/groups you dig uses DYA, they have a "browse." Taking a few minutes to flip through is super helpful.”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“this is what I'm thinking a talent show to raise awareness”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“The thing I like about creativity itself, outside of the political paradigm, is that it as an indirect attack on the powers that be which strikes to the core.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

Michael - you need to come hang out with us more often. Yes.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

Creativity and thinking outside the box, outside of socially acceptable paradigms is a sort of personal evolution that will lend itself to social and political change

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Let's hear from some people who are "lurking" - what do you feel are the most effective forms of online activism?

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, I'm so there!”

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Aaron and I have been talking about an activism tour for weeks now! It would be so cool to get great bands, speakers, comedians, and the like to travel around and put on a show especially for those who aren't so internet savvy :)”

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Love it.

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“At some point there needs to be a measure of effectiveness...any ideas for that?”

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“In these times, who is still banking with the big bad banks and why?”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

I agree - John - I've done some stuff on move your money.

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

We should keep going after people who use Chase or BofA

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

Or the others

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“bit that use humor or song that evoke emotion”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, Yes. That is the essence of satire right? There is a great quote about how one holds up a mirror and lets the powers that be see their own follies. that seems wise..”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

They say the only one who can speak truth to the King is the Jester.

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Geary

“Hey everyone, FYI I've learned quite a few new things today-thanks.”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Thanks Steven!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“it's so easy to link your activism live online, make sure you document and get it online, all angles, sue camera's against them as much as possible”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

Exactly Stanley - I think the ease of which activism can be placed on a global stage through digital platforms is what makes it so great

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

If you want to get action from an elected official, I highly recommend lying on the phone and telling them you're a filmmaker or reporter. They lie to us ALL the time, so what's the difference?

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Is that why The Jester wore his Thorny Crown, @leecam ?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

HA!

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

All this time I thought it was Jesus.

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“put your money in a local credit union and then vote at their elections know your people”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Katie, that is me with my school loans. thirty k in the red. sheeeesh.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:01 AM

Debt forgiveness is a huge piece of the puzzle. Anyone know of any sites or digital platforms working on that specifically?

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Really everyone is their own reporter, its just the badge or the damn label that gives certain people precedence over others ;)”

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“well I think, you really need to vote for independants, or reform politics so that candidates get funds centrally”

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

Strike Debt!

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

http://strikedebt.org/

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“hahaha. lee puts a nice comedic twist on the messiah complex.”

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Strike Debt doesn't do personal/credit card debt. I was just talking to them like an hour ago about this.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:02 AM

And there it is. THanks Lee

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

Yeah, they've focused on medical

Lee Camp · 1:03 AM

Jordan - I've noticed fight club is central to your life outlook

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:03 AM

Katie - any other sites you can recommend?

Lee Camp · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“I had to walk away from my house of 11 years, meanwhile a bank gets it's loans paid off”

Lee Camp · 1:03 AM

Stanley - totally. It's fucking horrible.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:04 AM

At the end of the tawk, I'll make a list of all the sites and post it to my blog so everyone can access it

Lee Camp · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“It was a good focus -- the brokers that buy medical debt are easier to work with than the credit assholes who snatch up credit card debt. You can actually work with them.”

Lee Camp · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“His name was Robert Paulson”

Lee Camp · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tahj Thomas

“I don't think digital activism has reached its true potential yet.”

Lee Camp · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“Does anyone else feel pressure from their career/image on Facebook etc. that prevents them from sharing activist content? I was a Realtor for a couple years, and I felt like a hypocrite posting MOC and Zeitgeist ideas.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peri Lane

“I think doing medical makes sense. Very few people feel that you were responsible for "wracking up medical bills" and so that is more able to cross lines than credit card debt.”

Lee Camp · 1:04 AM

Pat - Yeah, I think a lot of people don't repost my videos simply because they're worried about their boss or something

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:04 AM

@Pat - that's a great question

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:05 AM

I know a friend of mine created two accounts - one for personal, one for professional

Lee Camp · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Brad Davis

“@Pat F yes!”

Lee Camp · 1:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“I mean, we all need to play ball in the system for food and shelter, but it twists your soul in a damned knot. Yeah you're making money, but doing what?”

Lee Camp · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Yeah. Career issues are a big problem. I recommend making yourself a couple FB groups; it takes a little bit of time, but is worth it. That way you can share to a subset of your friends.”

Lee Camp · 1:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“http://commongroundmovement.com/cgmstarterpacket10-beta You guys should all check out this amazing activism starter kit complete with Ebooks, links to valuable vids, PDFs for organizing locally, tactics for non-violent struggle and a bunch of stuff”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:06 AM

@Pat, I think it's important that you find an outlet for that

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:06 AM

I know a lot of people are in the same boat

Lee Camp · 1:06 AM

I think people need to take more risks though. I realize it's easy to say when it's not you, though.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:06 AM

Don't let your soul shrivel - find an outlet for the activism - digital platforms are great for that and many offer anonymous profiles

Lee Camp · 1:07 AM

We should fight to live a life that allows us to stand for what we care about.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Eleanor -- I think you just found the name of your next band: Soul Shrivel”

Lee Camp · 1:07 AM

Otherwise what was the point here?

Lee Camp · 1:07 AM

("here" meaning existence)

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:07 AM

Ha! Sounds a little too metal for me. Don't know that I wanna start drinking blood on stage or anything

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“Another greath Eleanor (Roosevelt) said "do one thing every day that scares you"”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Music is great for that as well @pat @eleanorgoldfield....That's how Aaron and I get it out!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“too many shriveling souls out there for sure.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Lee, YES PLEASE. We shouldn't be able to fire someone based on the social media posts. But we still live in a society where you can get kicked out of your apt if you landlord finds out you're gay. o.O”

Lee Camp · 1:08 AM

Wait, what?

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, before you start playing, throw out a Care Bear and only start when it comes back to you decapitated.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:09 AM

OK Michael, I know actually do officially love you

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:09 AM

now not know

Lee Camp · 1:09 AM

I thought I saw video of you drinking blood?

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:09 AM

Ha - possibly. But that was fake blood :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“@michael micklow that's hilarious. DO IT @eleanorgoldfield”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:09 AM

I think I actually will do that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Too many people are disengaged and they just need to become engaged and start thinking and activism will follow.”

Lee Camp · 1:10 AM

Reminder - Can everyone tweet that they're here right now so we can spread the word?

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:10 AM

One of the mottos for the band is Think. React. Do Something

Lee Camp · 1:10 AM

Back to digital activism - I think wikileaks and anonymous have kinda changed the world.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:10 AM

All activism starts with an idea

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:11 AM

They absolutely have

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:11 AM

I think that started a huge wave of physical activism

Lee Camp · 1:11 AM

The reaction of the "powerful" to wikileaks was INSANE. Even paypal and other credit cards shut down service to wikileaks - they serve the KKK!

Lee Camp · 1:11 AM

But the KKK doesn't scare the powerful like wikileaks

Lee Camp · 1:12 AM

Same with Kim Dotcom being raided by swat teams

Lee Camp · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“they have changed mine for sure”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:12 AM

The KKK are care bears compared to wikileaks in the eyes of the powers that be

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“time for another wave of the physical this spring I think would be good”

Lee Camp · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“I think it's why alot of us, me included, just wanna pull a unibomber and go hermit like away from everyone, not the anthrax part, lol”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“And the beautiful thing is, you can't kill an idea!”

Lee Camp · 1:13 AM

By the way, this seems a little related - Abby Martin has been banned from having a page of Wikileaks. How's that for someone scary.

Lee Camp · 1:13 AM

You'll have to look up Kim Dotcom to learn about him

Lee Camp · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peri Lane

“racism serves the powers that be,.. they like us fighting amongst ourselves.”

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

Hitler has a wikipedia page but Abby Martin - a news personality - is too threatening.

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dave Adams

“love Abby Martin too”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:14 AM

Abby is fucking rad.

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Yes they have and lettuce not forget the dude in London, Manning, Snowden and the the two young men they killed.”

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“http://rt.com/news/kim-dotcom-party-political-579/”

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

Dude, who's Rad and how did he score that?

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Hey if anybody gets the chance, I write for Abby Martin at MediaRoots. Here is my most recent article http://www.mediaroots.org/speak-truth-to-fuckery-impeach-obama-for-the-right-reasons/”

Lee Camp · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“Well, when Wikipidea has effectively erased people like Abby Martin from the part of the internet that we used to think of as "truth"... the truth becomes more and more abstract.”

Lee Camp · 1:15 AM

Micheal - I'm only allowing promotion because you said you loved me.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:15 AM

Pat - luckily Abby and her sites are still out there in the digital realm

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:15 AM

Millions of people have access to her and other activists

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:15 AM

In spite of wikipedia being ass hats

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:16 AM

That is, of course, why they want to clamp down on it

Lee Camp · 1:16 AM

We have 15 mins left - Does anyone wanna throw out other sites/ideas they think are making waves. Would love to spread more activism ideas while we're here.

Lee Camp · 1:16 AM

Have we talked about Buycott yet?

Lee Camp · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Media Roots is GREAT! That's her and her brother, correct? @michael Micklow”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:16 AM

Buycott rules!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:16 AM

Also - mark your calendars for Feb 11

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:16 AM

The day we fight back

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ass hats. why do i love that term. the imagery is priceless. i picture like romney or whatever, with a top hat doubled over.”

Lee Camp · 1:17 AM

Buycott is an app that allows you to see if a product is made by an evil company - like Nestle or Coors

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:17 AM

https://thedaywefightback.org/

Lee Camp · 1:17 AM

I almost typed "buttcott" which is a very different app

Lee Camp · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“buycott is soooooooooooo important”

Lee Camp · 1:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from phil Christophers

“boycott monsanto”

Lee Camp · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peri Lane

“also, on a quiet evening, its fun to go through your home with the buycot app.”

Lee Camp · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Let us all be very careful to the online..Wolves in sheeps clothing....Their #1 Agenda at this point would be infiltration, disinformation.”

Lee Camp · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“buttcott is comfy”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:18 AM

It's a day of action dedicated to internet activism

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:18 AM

sorry, I know lee and I are on two different subjects!

Lee Camp · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Jacob Dean's internet radio show focuses on activism. (he will be off next monday) http://www.filterfreeradio.com/”

Lee Camp · 1:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Fleischer

“Digital activism also means not clicking on corporate websites.”

Lee Camp · 1:19 AM

And Paul, without net neutrality corporate websites will work much better than indie and lesser websites.

Lee Camp · 1:19 AM

When Amazon's site goes 50% faster, everyone will go there - even if they don't want to.

Lee Camp · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/consumer-brands-owned-ten-companies-graphic_n_1458812.html”

Lee Camp · 1:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“grow ya own stuff.kick the fucktards where it hurts.”

Lee Camp · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Lee We have enough problems with Google and others "tailoring" our searches -- with no net neutrality that shit's gonna get worse.”

Lee Camp · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“I think what you two are doing is awesome and I look forward to the next tawktopic.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:20 AM

Days of action like the day we fight back and other net neutrality and internet activism action items are incredibly important

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“we really need to get Corp's back to not being ppl and if they are, then they need to be completely Liable...no limited liablility anything”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:21 AM

Yep - that's the goal

Lee Camp · 1:21 AM

For those who didn't hear me earlier - April 4th to July 4th is the Worldwide Wave of Action. Plan for it. Ready for it. Thirst for it. If done right it could be the fire that Occupy sparked.

Lee Camp · 1:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dave Adams

“One brick per day, per person...”

Lee Camp · 1:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Fleischer

“Lee - Fast track to nowhereland...I'll take the slow lane to you're vids if that's what it comes to.”

Lee Camp · 1:21 AM

Thanks my friend. And my mom's name is Fleischer by the way. We gotta stick together.

Lee Camp · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“join with the fracking movements, especially idle no more up here in Canada”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:22 AM

I absolutely echo what Lee said.

Lee Camp · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee I think I'll be couchsurfing during those dates. Soooo ya I could prolly def be there!!!”

Lee Camp · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“just go to a porn site, duck dynasty, etc, and see how fast it loads. They know to push the poison fast.”

Lee Camp · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“they are protesting everything, they've got nothing else!”

Lee Camp · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“We all must stick together, or they have won.”

Lee Camp · 1:23 AM

Daniel - That's a great point and actually should be an entire tawk. We need to put differences aside. There's no time for it.

Lee Camp · 1:23 AM

Eleanor has a great story about how much Occupy GA's were pulled apart over the question of composting. We have to get past the small shit. It will kill us.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:23 AM

Focusing on the issue at hand and ignoring tangential feeds

Lee Camp · 1:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Fleischer

“Could be related, who knows? I like your work Lee..Stick with it bro. We are winning!”

Lee Camp · 1:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“TRUTH. Worms are great. Not the be all, end all.”

Lee Camp · 1:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“Well that's the name of the game right? The media wants us to put on red and blue shirts and fight about silly things, instead of pointing out everything we actually agree on.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:24 AM

Ha - yep Katie, exactly

Lee Camp · 1:24 AM

Pat - very true. As long as we have red and blue shirts on, the ruling elite standing in the middle always win.

Lee Camp · 1:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“tatally agree stick together. i am with you, and so are all my resources, however small c: thank you so much for the hope love and care you bring”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“we need to stop, look at them, and then start pointing together, then they'll run hard and fast”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“One last question: what email addresses are people moving to now away from gmail?”

Lee Camp · 1:25 AM

Stanley - This is why Fox News had to frantically tell the Tea Party not to align with Occupy. It would've been terrible for the powerful.

Lee Camp · 1:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“Just posted it on Facebook @eleanor goldfield!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:26 AM

@Johnathonfall - I'm primarily using the one associated with my website so it goes through the control panel.

Lee Camp · 1:26 AM

By the way, my twitter name is @LeeCamp and would love for all of you to join me there. I post news all day long.

Lee Camp · 1:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

“united we stand, divided we fall, however, it's our individual greed that gives us bias and pushes us in the wrong direction, alteast most of the sheeple, and you can't control someone's decision, if they are unwilling to learn”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:26 AM

https://waveofaction.org/a-call-for-a-crowdsourced-worldwide-wave-of-action/

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Aarons Nelsons

“Posted a link to that great Media Roots article on our Awakened Citizen FB page. We've all gotta come together and promote each other in 2014. Love it. Can't wait for the SUMMERRR! ;)”

Lee Camp · 1:27 AM

Speaking of moving away from the big platforms, although I desperately need FB for my career, I like that http://EvolveSociety.org has created an alternative.

Lee Camp · 1:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Until the whole citizen body gets out and takes a crap on the governor's lawn like in europe, we may not get much change”

Lee Camp · 1:27 AM

EvolveSociety.org does not steal any of your information

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“I post stuff all day on FB @ world change today feel free to invite yaselves, love to have more people posting there.”

Lee Camp · 1:28 AM

By the way, I'm performing live in Coumbia, MO this coming Jan 25th. It's not far from STL either! Tell your friends. Eleanor, you got any performances you wanna pimp?

Lee Camp · 1:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“So is this chat platform going to become something we can do on the regular @leecamp and @eleanorgoldfield?”

Lee Camp · 1:28 AM

We've been trying to do every week - usually Tuesdays.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:29 AM

Setting up a show in Feb but for right now, just the in studio performance tonight on the Twin Talk Show :)

Lee Camp · 1:29 AM

So it's a safe bet we have one on Tuesdays

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:29 AM

Releaseing new material and a music video so stay tuned!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:29 AM

@rooftoprev @rooftopeleanor

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:29 AM

rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Lee Camp · 1:29 AM

I can't wait for the vid.

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:29 AM

It's going to be fucking awesome if I may say so myself

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ooo new material! O.O looking forward to that”

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

By the way, everyone can feel free to keep talking after we stop. And please spread the word. Keep fighting, my friends.

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Thanks, Lee & Eleanor! Great talk!”

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peri Lane

“I really enjoy the tawks, it helps keep things at the forefront of my mind. Thanks for doing them. :)”

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

Thanks Peri!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:30 AM

Thanks again everyone for joining in the tawk! I'll be posting the sites mention in the tawk on my blog: inside-the-revolution.blogspot.com later today

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“But, the comment stream needs a way to incorporate the comment stream of the hosts. Very easy to lose them”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:30 AM

wow. mentioned in the tawk

Lee Camp · 1:30 AM

What?! How dare you lose us!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:31 AM

ROOFTOP REVOLUTIONARIES LIVE TONIGHT www.twintalkcast.com 7pm pst

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:31 AM

See you two soon!

Lee Camp · 1:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Pat F

“The more they try to silence the people, and drown us out with inane bullshit, and take away our tools, the more credence it gives to our ideas. Thanks for finding new avenues everyone.”

Lee Camp · 1:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

“I WILL BE HERE EVERY TUESDAY if that's an option :) Love this!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 7:19 PM

Links to the sites mentioned in the tawk now up on my blog: http://inside-the-revolution.blogspot.com/

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Tawkers AdminJan 13, 2014, 5:31 AM

Welcome to the comment section of the Tawk, where audience members can share their thoughts about the main conversation happening on the left. Don't by shy! Entering questions and comments is the only way to get the attention of the two Hosts on stage!

Aarons NelsonsJan 14, 2014, 6:22 PM

here

Helena KirbyJan 14, 2014, 6:23 PM

The Time Has Come ;) Super Pumped for this!

Eric RheinheimerJan 15, 2014, 12:13 AM

hello!

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:15 AM

Howdy all :) everyone excited?

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:16 AM

first time doing this

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:16 AM

lol just finishing watching some young turks before we get started :)

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:16 AM

I got here toward the end the last time, so basically my first time

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:16 AM

you know,i think without the digital activism the way it is,Lee wouldn't be where he is today....

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:17 AM

alls good, as long as our hosts show up :)

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:17 AM

well,he can't do smoke signals for a start.

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:17 AM

I do immensely enjoy his MOCs

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:18 AM

and speak of the devil...Greetings Mr Camp

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:19 AM

by the way you guys - click that thumbs up button if you want the hosts to see someones comment

Dean MaburyJan 15, 2014, 12:20 AM

hmm

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:24 AM

plus if you wanna see what others are saying,click follow beside their name :-)........

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

'Ello Loves!

Harley ChorseJan 15, 2014, 12:26 AM

here we are

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:26 AM

k, back, young turks turned off, ready to rumble :)

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:26 AM

Greetings and salutations, everyone :D

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:27 AM

Dave's here man!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:27 AM

right back atcha!

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 12:27 AM

Yes Yes Yall

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

ten nine

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

Hello all

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

ok my mind is zenn, let's do this! :D lol

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

15 sec

Dustin GoerndtJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

Howdy from Iowa!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

Hey everybody! I'm hoping we'll be able to draw up a social contract in this tawk (I vote no nose gizzing).

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:29 AM

Welcome fellow Freedom Fighters!!!

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

The site's buggin out for me :/

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

Here from Detroit!

Harley ChorseJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

hi there

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

hey Eleanor and Lee!

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

Hello from across the Big Pond

Kerry StevensJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

Hey Lee!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

me too Dave :-)

Harley ChorseJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

hey lee

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

greets c: thank you c:

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

Done deal, and shit ;)

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

Posting now.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

Have been posting away, Lee :)

Steven BrewerJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

Hello everyoen

Dean MaburyJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

Had to refresh but now I see them. On a mac

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

So, what's the topic of the day?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:31 AM

Let's watch the watchers..

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:32 AM

what was the blow to neutrality Lee?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

they may take away our internet...but they'll never take away our activism!! grrr!

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:32 AM

time to cut them off no support they can't act

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

I bet they'd slow down this Tawk!

Paul NybergJan 15, 2014, 12:32 AM

Hello

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

Anyone else getting this squished chatbox? Tried refreshing...

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

Good one, @Lucy!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

Ya Pat, it is a bit of a squeeeeeeze.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

they have no rights to throttle your connection

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

lol slow porn

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

does that apply to Canada as well?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

ok say they did slow the internet down - hello NSA,you bastsrds! - would texting take over perhaps?

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

Lots of money to be lost because I would turn the damn internet off

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

Slow porn?! But watching glitchy tentacle porn is just... no

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

yeah, like watching porn from a dial up modem again

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee just tell people over 30 that porn is going to go back to that really long, grainy pictured slow download format...

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

ahhh yes slow porn - it will allow the men to catch up

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

Canada's internet is among the worst in 1st world counties. Slow, and way overpriced.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

isn

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

Maybe this will make the soap box in a town square a more meaningful platform again...

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

They can yank the twank all they want, does not stop evolution, change, discussion, or revolution.

Dustin GoerndtJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

Do either of you have a dream digital platform to empower digital activists?

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

haha Lee slow porn funny!

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

isn't that covered under the tpp

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM

yet the people in Canada own the lines

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:35 AM★ Spotlighted

On a positive note, this proves they're shakin' in their moon boots....utterly terrified of the impact we can have around the world with each other.

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM

CA trying to cut off NSA's water, priceless!!!

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM

All of the comm's equip is owned by bell canada, and is rented or leased to other providers

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM

damn is there nothing good in canada? pipelines and now bad internet? :-O

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

This is just as bad as Christie creating unnecessary traffic on a bridge. It's Verizon creating unnecessary traffic on the Net.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM

I think my favourite is just networking

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

BLAME CANADA!

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM

circle scantuary

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

I think my favorite online activism is networking. It's so much easier now to get information from the people doing the work and finding ways to plug in from those who are already involved.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM

espeically with peeps I've been out of touch with for awhile

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

@Jordan - maybe they'll get Christie to sit on the internet cable....

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

There is also the increasing possibility that another internet will be created for the elites, one that will have the bandwitdth equivalent to Christie

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM

with compliments!

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM

well, I know I am a fan of MOC...I also participate on activism radio over the net

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:37 AM

Lol, I would love to see the bueurocracy and escapades if Ford and Christie were to run Detroit as Co mayors!

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

Blame Canada: As is tradition.

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

I know from my experience posting eye opening events has opened the eyes of all my friends, now they are posting stuff as well, the tiniest pebble can produce a tidal wave if used properly.

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

i encourage lots online activism, but being a sea fairing soul and the urgent need to look after the ocean and her creatures i focus on that.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

Its ours now. I will use it as well...its just too good

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

awww c'mon Cenk was blaming Canada too

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

LOL

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

Lee, we have to SHARE our analogies, for the greater good... SHOTGUN!

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

With all their hockey hullaballoo. And that bitch Ann Murray too.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:38 AM

thrive is another group I lkie

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee, true.. but those ya know, they prolly want their cake and to eat it too!

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

I enjoy working with movements on things such as "TwitterStorm" and with online programs such as "ThunderClap" to reach out to the masses.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM

yeah, and it's hard to get through to stupid ppl

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM

Gosh, Jordan...tell us on the doll where Canada touched you.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM

now all we are doing is limiting peoples rights everywhere we turn

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM

@Katie South. (Park)

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:39 AM

o my christ, katie, i just laughed out loud, like legit

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

.care2.com is great for petition creation an signing.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

i have used the internet more in the past couple of years than i ever have. and all because of activism.

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

What are some alternatives to net neutrality? What's the contingency plan? I bet KimDotCom is working on an underground internet right now!

Dustin GoerndtJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

Tawkers seems cool.. But, wouldn't a twitter hashtag chat be more effective?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

Really?! I didn't see that Lee. THey should have went with Fluffington Post.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

anonymous almost always sharing their post

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

YES, @Lee! It's easier to open people's eyes to new issues with social media. I've had people respond to things in my feed about reproductive justice with "Wait, what country is this about?" because they didn't know & then they want to get involved.

Harley ChorseJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM

Flushinton Post LOL

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM

viral memes are good but can get boring if over used. and a twitter storm is great but it has to be something everyone either knows about or the hashtag is easy to use.

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I believe all forms together make a monster they are afraid of...hence all the legislation to limit the internet like china and N Korea.

Dave PallisterJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I am also affiliated with The Venus Project doing both online and real life activism AND I heard Occupy is coming back to Nottingham on Feb. 2

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

Reposting videos such as your own @lee camp and @eleanorgoldfield as well as consistently having outlets such as your Moment of Clarity, RT, Breaking The Set, James Corbett, BuzzSaw, and many more to keep up to date.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

There are gaps in online activism as some are starting to see it only as attempts to get traffic or simply a reaction. I wish there was more of a cohesiveness in how it is presented.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

what do you think of the wolf pac movement Lee?

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

they should be afraid of us not the other way around

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

At least no one argues that Michael Moore is full of shit anymore. Or do they?

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

I mean, I am not american, but, If I was...

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

facebook and twitter for me, even though i feel uncomfortable using them as more and more people seem to engage this way on mass.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Agreed. Anon and WL are an example of how individuals really good at coding, outside of the financial oligarchy, can crack the secrecy and say "fuck that." that is unprecedented, till now.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

no one shouldbe afraid of anyone phil

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

Brad has a really good point -- information is only as good as the outlet or the person pushing it. But, the more of it that's available the more positive outlets we get.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

yes sharing lee camp videos that stirs it up

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 12:43 AM

What do you guys think about the Sibel Edmonds/Glenn Greenwald feud?

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:43 AM

it's hard to organise anything, because then they have a head of the group to strike

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 12:43 AM

hey im sorry i broke me glasses and am trying to read half blind and cant keep up, sry i'll just watch for now.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

True Eleanor... I think the SOPA campaign last year was beautifully orchestrated

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:43 AM

care2.com

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:44 AM

They can't have us using their OWN playbook for brainwashing that's absurd!!!So lets pass a law and make it Illegal, Next move, Internet false flag!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:44 AM

Panda bears YES, aaaannn er Unicorn balls need to be involved, yes. that will be the mascot. i think.

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

If it weren't for online activism, I would never have even known about the Toilet Paper Partnership, I mean, Trans Pacific Partnership.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

its all very well posting stuff on twitter or Facebook,and you may get some likes and rt's BUT does it really change anyones mind? for some maybe,but for the vast majority,i would say no. and that is the difficult part

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

I think it goes in waves. Not everyone is on the same page, but sooner or later something get's through and bam pow! It's on.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM

we need to be completely reciprocate of any measures used against the masses, start imprisoning polititicians who lie in places like guantanamo

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

@eleanorgoldfield That's what the Common Ground movement believes in as well...brining everyone together, putting our opinions and differences aside to become one bigger unit than many individual groups.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Well played Jordan. Well played. TPP is a real threat, being fasttracked whilst, ya know, we argue ad naseum about a bridge that may or may not have been closed for political reasons.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM

critical mass, steven? 100th monkey? lol

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM

@Eleanor -- EXACTLY.

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Lucy, some might not change minds, but in a lot of cases, people are entirely unaware of things, or thinking backwards. I know many cases of people having their eyes opened -- online.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:45 AM

usually that something or later is complete economic collapse

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

Sorry I'm late…browser would not take me to tawkers so was typing in duck dynasty instead and it comes right up and eventually I made it here. Welcome to NO net neutrality!

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:46 AM

Am I literally getting hit with the irony stick here? This Tawkers page is barely functional. I can't even see half a comment. NSA hax?

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM

upworthy has some good stuff

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM

@Johnathon lmao

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, this may have already been stated, but I wonder if there needs to be a coordination between digital and physical, artistic expressions, like what you and Lee have been doing. We need to replicate that model!!

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - so true...I work with Zeitgeist and you think that a movie with 20M views would be known in my local town..

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM

@eleanorgoldfield @leecamp activism as well as music is a way of life. #findthecommonground

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM

No pants; hot chocolate; aaaaand dont forget the marshmallows!!!

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:47 AM

when the medium isn't fair to all, then it's the epitomy of unfair playing field

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

The crazy nazi guy in ND, we have organized all efforts against that campaign on FB. It has been pretty darn successful, although, he has shot himself in the foot many times.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

seriously, WHEN is that tawk cuuuuuuz i can stop and get the small little bitty marshmallows that melt and then make that thin film over the top that is gooey and oh so good

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

Ahhh there we go... If anyone is having issues with Chrome, download Firefox. Works better for this site.

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

I must have seen Lee's video links for like six months before I actually watched one, and whe I did I was like holy shit!

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

The Movement has to begin somewhere, might as well use the ALL SEEING INTERNET to any advantage we can, We can change the world one post at a time. If your gonna move a mountain, dont look at the mountain, throw the pebbles at your feet.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

I think physical activism and digital can be coordinated to go hand-in-hand

Christian GallegoJan 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

thanks for the tip Pat

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

alot of us have been nieve sheeple who hate to rock the boat, now it's time to tip it over!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

There are way too many comics out there like Jizzonmyneck and Tosh that are really super talented but dont see the bigger picture and make critiques. Lee is a rarity.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

mass sidewalk chalking?

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM

Great site, @leecamp!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

physical and digital activism is already working together. look at how many people go on marches or are protests and video it or photograph it.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM

yes we know it can look back to the arab spring we can make a difference people

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM

non-violence is an underused term in activism

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM

A good time to rally, what get's the most attention of the masses though? When ppl won't wake up to their food being wrongfully manipulated

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes Eleanor! Have you guys thought about doing a traveling act? Or maybe putting together a festival?

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:51 AM

i actually had a dream about that. so weird.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:51 AM

Awww shucks. blushing. Love you too Lee!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

if you two do that,i want a front row ticket! :-)

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:51 AM

ew. bromance :-)

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

maybe just do some spot shows with some activist movements...supporting roles

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

Ahhhhh I see. Well, I'll be one of your groupies. Or I could be an opener maybe! Er, i can juggle, i think..

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:52 AM

we need to develop our own innate talents and use those to bring attention to the important issues

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:52 AM

plus you gotta shove in a couple of UK dates too.

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Later this year we want to setup a Common Ground tour with music, activists, speakers, comedians, etc.. @helenakirby

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM

try and do what you can locally, I am trying to organize charities and businesses to use cryptocurrencies

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Did my first Zeitgeist Media Fest/Food Drive last summer....its the most attention we've received in the community. All I did is bring some bands together

Da JamsterJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM

Kinda new at this. Is there any kind of state by state list of activist events? My summers tend to be slow and I'd like to get involved.

Christian GallegoJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM

is that you SCG?

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

YES Donate Your Account is so helpful to everyone who uses it. It's free, takes 30 seconds and is the fastest way to amplify a voice you believe in.

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Perhaps we should link the ad banner at the bottom of your Tawks to that site to donate?? (I know a guy)

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

timebanking is great, too. there are a few webites all about it..

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Tours and stunts are nice and all, but the #1 long-term improvement is money out of politics. It's the first domino that needs toppling. Wolf-pac.com

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:54 AM

I would like to make an activist hunger movement, where we take over big front lawns of corporations, and turn them into public gardens for the summer for food banks etc

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Aaron and I have been talking about an activism tour for weeks now! It would be so cool to get great bands, speakers, comedians, and the like to travel around and put on a show especially for those who aren't so internet savvy :)

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

DonateYourAccount! Maybe I'll do that with my political commentary I do at Mediaroots.org!

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

If you aren't sure whether one of the people/groups you dig uses DYA, they have a "browse." Taking a few minutes to flip through is super helpful.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

@Michael -- anyone can start a campaign. Super easy.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM

now there's an occupy movement for ya :)

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

this is what I'm thinking a talent show to raise awareness

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM

I'm not saying they don't help, I just feel that should be the first priority.

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM

Very cool site! Thanks for the link.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM

hey if Disney can get kids to love fracking,why not get people to love activism! right,Lee?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

The thing I like about creativity itself, outside of the political paradigm, is that it as an indirect attack on the powers that be which strikes to the core.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

Lee, yep. I'm stil working with Abby. She is great!

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

@michaelmichlow Hell yeah, agreed.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

i wish i had a talent. baking awesome brownies doesn't do much for the judges. unless it's a bake off. then i win.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

I agree I think creative people do scare them

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

At some point there needs to be a measure of effectiveness...any ideas for that?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, I'm so there!

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

In these times, who is still banking with the big bad banks and why?

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM

@Sophia -- sometimes it isn't about talent. It can be about a particular life experience that makes you ideal/suited for activism in a certain area.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM

Thought you would!

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

bit that use humor or song that evoke emotion

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM

The Time Has Come,

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, Yes. That is the essence of satire right? There is a great quote about how one holds up a mirror and lets the powers that be see their own follies. that seems wise..

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM

no one. the banks would literally break even if not for the bail outs paid by taxpayers. and the ceo's make how much..? hmm

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Hey everyone, FYI I've learned quite a few new things today-thanks.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM

The Time Has Come, To Have Our Fun. VIVA LA REVOLUTION! ---Lovechild

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

it's so easy to link your activism live online, make sure you document and get it online, all angles, sue camera's against them as much as possible

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 12:58 AM

We also have to give people ways to get out of debt with big banks. They used to work with card holders. Now some of us are stuck trying to pay off REALLY OLD debt. <hamster on a wheel>

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:59 AM

"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own." - Jonathan Swift

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 12:59 AM

sometimes the ppl don't see their follies, lol, read sunshine sketches of a small town :)

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Is that why The Jester wore his Thorny Crown, @leecam ?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 12:59 AM

Lee, yes.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 12:59 AM

he stole his thorny crown, helena :-)

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM

great Canadian author

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

put your money in a local credit union and then vote at their elections know your people

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Katie, that is me with my school loans. thirty k in the red. sheeeesh.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM

A little social engineering is always fun

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM

Anybody in the middle classes or below who is still banking with the big bad wolf is a big part of the problem I would argue.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Really everyone is their own reporter, its just the badge or the damn label that gives certain people precedence over others ;)

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

well I think, you really need to vote for independants, or reform politics so that candidates get funds centrally

Mitchell HeldtJan 15, 2014, 1:00 AM

There were some women that went topless at the beginning of Occupy Wallstreet. They really need to be applauding because sadly, that was the motivation for many additions to the early participators and what brought it more broad publicity

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:01 AM

Put money in your mattress for your own INTEREST!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

hahaha. lee puts a nice comedic twist on the messiah complex.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:01 AM

Nope. And I'm looking, Eleanor. Too many for-profits swallowing up the search fields.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

It's a proven fact that all societies have had to forgive debt in order to move on

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

or collapse

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

Paul Revere had no badges....badges, we don't need no stinking badges...hahahaha

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Strike Debt doesn't do personal/credit card debt. I was just talking to them like an hour ago about this.

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

The first rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

or is that badgers? lol

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:02 AM

@micheal - thats cos Lee is the messiah...or a very naughty boy!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM

strike debt. jubilee!

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM

what do they do katie?

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I had to walk away from my house of 11 years, meanwhile a bank gets it's loans paid off

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

Does anyone else feel pressure from their career/image on Facebook etc. that prevents them from sharing activist content? I was a Realtor for a couple years, and I felt like a hypocrite posting MOC and Zeitgeist ideas.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

It was a good focus -- the brokers that buy medical debt are easier to work with than the credit assholes who snatch up credit card debt. You can actually work with them.

Tahj ThomasJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't think digital activism has reached its true potential yet.

Jordan BirnbaumJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

His name was Robert Paulson

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM

the second rule of fight club is.......

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I think doing medical makes sense. Very few people feel that you were responsible for "wracking up medical bills" and so that is more able to cross lines than credit card debt.

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:04 AM

Yes, activism should be a blast. For example, I have loads of fun with postcards and utilizing the post.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:04 AM

They aren't an activist group, but it's an old-non profit. If you need to do credit counseling or file bankruptcy to get out of debt, these folks are great: http://www.nfcc.org/index.cfm

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:04 AM

certain fundamentals in our society should not be chargeable or profitable

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:04 AM

ahhh yes. katie, ive heard medical debt is one of the biggest issues out there..

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:04 AM

Peri Lane, as someone who once owed over 30 grand and now owes over 10...it IS a big deal..

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

@Pat F yes!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

@Paul - you really shouldnt have to feel sorry or bad for they way you feel about things. if it matters to you,post it. dont give a shit about anyone else :-)

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

Pat make and alt account for your zombie work friends.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

I feel that way pat...only because I carry a handgun permit in Canada

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah. Career issues are a big problem. I recommend making yourself a couple FB groups; it takes a little bit of time, but is worth it. That way you can share to a subset of your friends.

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

I mean, we all need to play ball in the system for food and shelter, but it twists your soul in a damned knot. Yeah you're making money, but doing what?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

oops meant @Pat lol

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

I feel as if I sneeze the wrong way and all my family heirlooms are poof....gone

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM★ Spotlighted

http://commongroundmovement.com/cgmstarterpacket10-beta You guys should all check out this amazing activism starter kit complete with Ebooks, links to valuable vids, PDFs for organizing locally, tactics for non-violent struggle and a bunch of stuff

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:05 AM

so then it is up to us that don't care or don't have bossess to spread the word

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

I had to take where I work off my FB profile

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

oh I enver meant to say it is not a big deal. I just meant that medical debt is universally understandable. I personally would strike all debt.

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

I suppose, if I'm nervous about what I say on FB for fear of ridicule, I need new friends.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

We should hold Walt Disney's cryogenically frozen head hostage and demand a Year of Jubilee, not returning it till all debt is struck. now, does anybody know any ninjas we can outsource to?

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

Playing ball for shelter, Tell that to the indians.

Brad DavisJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

@Pat F we are all agents and victims of the system.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:06 AM

yes common ground another great group

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM

i meant people do blame you. for "wracking" up the bills. medical or not.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor -- I think you just found the name of your next band: Soul Shrivel

Tahj ThomasJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM

Sounds like people need to look away from the social media that their boss uses.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

Music is great for that as well @pat @eleanorgoldfield....That's how Aaron and I get it out!

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

Another greath Eleanor (Roosevelt) said "do one thing every day that scares you"

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

too many shriveling souls out there for sure.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee, YES PLEASE. We shouldn't be able to fire someone based on the social media posts. But we still live in a society where you can get kicked out of your apt if you landlord finds out you're gay. o.O

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

@philchristophers it is a truly great source of knowledge and togetherness

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

(holy typos thanks to weird auto-correct, batman!)

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

yes I was being active before I retired but then I knew they couldn't get rid of me before I would be gone LOL

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, before you start playing, throw out a Care Bear and only start when it comes back to you decapitated.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

exactly why alot of ppl are fed up

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

I am still applauding iceland!!!

Da JamsterJan 15, 2014, 1:09 AM

Dude, you didn't know that?

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

@michael micklow that's hilarious. DO IT @eleanorgoldfield

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:09 AM

Aww shucks, Ditto Eleanor!

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Too many people are disengaged and they just need to become engaged and start thinking and activism will follow.

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 1:09 AM

i am loosing friends rapidly due them being scared of association laws here in oz. but for everyone gone 2 re repaced c:

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:10 AM

i have 3 letters to give you - TPP. THAT is the next big thing to stop.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:10 AM

i dont know how to tweet, yet.. i am shamed..

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:10 AM

*goes and sits back down in the dark corner with her fluffy bunny*

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

they have changed mine for sure

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

I think it's why alot of us, me included, just wanna pull a unibomber and go hermit like away from everyone, not the anthrax part, lol

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

time for another wave of the physical this spring I think would be good

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

And the beautiful thing is, you can't kill an idea!

Paul FleischerJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM

The KKK....Hehehheheeee

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM

Yeah, keep an eye on Paypal moving forward with Glenn Greenwald.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM

who is kimdotcom connected to?

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

racism serves the powers that be,.. they like us fighting amongst ourselves.

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

but the KKK are not against THEM, mostly, wikileaks exposes them leaving them open...

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

@Stanley - everyone and everything!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

@Helena - "its a thought revolution"....as someone said

Christian GallegoJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

kim dotcom owned megaupload

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

Right, there was an actual file leaked by WL which stated that the FBI was looking to descredit WL by leaking them a faulty story, destroying their cred. HA.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

I thought it was a page on wikipedia?

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

All this digital activism insures when hyperinflation comes, we will have developed a team, with a STRONG playbook.

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

I saw that! Foster Gamble from Thrive is also banned from Wikipedia.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM

Ya Lee, not just once, but twice her page has been denied. hmmmmmmm

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

love Abby Martin too

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes they have and lettuce not forget the dude in London, Manning, Snowden and the the two young men they killed.

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM★ Spotlighted

http://rt.com/news/kim-dotcom-party-political-579/

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

THRIVE is SO GOOD! @aaronsnelsons

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

what Abby can't have a wikileaks page why

Tahj ThomasJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

Abby Martin goes hard in the paint.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

Abby should be in on this conversation ;)

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

Yeah, Abby is killing it. I really like Buzzsaw and Breaking the Set lately.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

ahh, ok, got it

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Well, when Wikipidea has effectively erased people like Abby Martin from the part of the internet that we used to think of as "truth"... the truth becomes more and more abstract.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Hey if anybody gets the chance, I write for Abby Martin at MediaRoots. Here is my most recent article http://www.mediaroots.org/speak-truth-to-fuckery-impeach-obama-for-the-right-reasons/

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

A.M. banned from wiki…look no farther than is real.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

rad is one lucky dude

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

Aarons.. yes Buzzsaw is really super good journalism as well.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

lee, you could so have that. i've heard her giggle with you.

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

love breaking the set

Christian GallegoJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

Right on Michael.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

are comments shut off now?

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

Lee -- HA! Sweeeeeet

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM

Instead of Rainbow Gatherings, we need Brainbow gatherings, to bring together like minded people, to petition and make changes, and discuss in a private forum, kinda like, bohemian grove.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Media Roots is GREAT! That's her and her brother, correct? @michael Micklow

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:16 AM

I feel at this point we can get around whatever they throw at us!

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 1:16 AM

I'll post a link to that article on Awakened Citizen tonight @Michael Micklow

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Ass hats. why do i love that term. the imagery is priceless. i picture like romney or whatever, with a top hat doubled over.

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:16 AM

buycott - love it!

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

boycott monsanto

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

buycott is soooooooooooo important

phil ChristophersJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM

what is important about feb.11

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

also, on a quiet evening, its fun to go through your home with the buycot app.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM

yes, it gives you the parent company.. cuz you know how those conglomerates love to hide themselves behind diversity

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Let us all be very careful to the online..Wolves in sheeps clothing....Their #1 Agenda at this point would be infiltration, disinformation.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:17 AM

Hahahahaha. Let's hear it for autocorrect.

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

buttcott is comfy

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

already signed up for that Eleanor

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

or a big donkey sitting on his head

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

Buycott…cool got it.

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

i like it lee, buttcott MONSTERSANTO LOL

Da JamsterJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

oddsinourfavor.org Young, Nerdy & Pissed Off!!!!

Mitchell HeldtJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Jacob Dean's internet radio show focuses on activism. (he will be off next monday) http://www.filterfreeradio.com/

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

"ahh the prolifers wont buy this macaroni? GOOD, I am buying 495 of them"

Paul FleischerJan 15, 2014, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Digital activism also means not clicking on corporate websites.

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:19 AM

buttcott, Yeah MY ass is on Strike...@LEE

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

grow ya own stuff.kick the fucktards where it hurts.

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/consumer-brands-owned-ten-companies-graphic_n_1458812.html

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM

lucy, you always crack me up girl.

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee We have enough problems with Google and others "tailoring" our searches -- with no net neutrality that shit's gonna get worse.

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM★ Spotlighted

I think what you two are doing is awesome and I look forward to the next tawktopic.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Just posted it on Facebook @eleanor goldfield!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM

@Katie & @Lee - i wonder if thats why Linux didnt get off the ground...

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM

Yes, Katie. Or did you hear how Facebook is creating shadow profiles???? Effing crazy.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM

tawpick? lol

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:20 AM★ Spotlighted

we really need to get Corp's back to not being ppl and if they are, then they need to be completely Liable...no limited liablility anything

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:21 AM★ Spotlighted

One brick per day, per person...

Paul FleischerJan 15, 2014, 1:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee - Fast track to nowhereland...I'll take the slow lane to you're vids if that's what it comes to.

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:21 AM

I imagine there's a pretty interesting web above and between those top 10 parent companies as well.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:21 AM★ Spotlighted

join with the fracking movements, especially idle no more up here in Canada

Michael MicklowJan 15, 2014, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee I think I'll be couchsurfing during those dates. Soooo ya I could prolly def be there!!!

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

just go to a porn site, duck dynasty, etc, and see how fast it loads. They know to push the poison fast.

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

they are protesting everything, they've got nothing else!

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

We all must stick together, or they have won.

Paul FleischerJan 15, 2014, 1:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Could be related, who knows? I like your work Lee..Stick with it bro. We are winning!

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

TRUTH. Worms are great. Not the be all, end all.

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Well that's the name of the game right? The media wants us to put on red and blue shirts and fight about silly things, instead of pointing out everything we actually agree on.

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:24 AM

"can't we all just get along"? no, and the sooner we learn it the sooner we learn to co-exist... imo

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

tatally agree stick together. i am with you, and so are all my resources, however small c: thank you so much for the hope love and care you bring

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

we need to stop, look at them, and then start pointing together, then they'll run hard and fast

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:25 AM

So who is up for some pepper spray and firehoses for freedom???

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:25 AM★ Spotlighted

One last question: what email addresses are people moving to now away from gmail?

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:26 AM★ Spotlighted

united we stand, divided we fall, however, it's our individual greed that gives us bias and pushes us in the wrong direction, alteast most of the sheeple, and you can't control someone's decision, if they are unwilling to learn

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:26 AM

Post the site for info on the wwoa rally.

Aarons NelsonsJan 15, 2014, 1:26 AM★ Spotlighted

Posted a link to that great Media Roots article on our Awakened Citizen FB page. We've all gotta come together and promote each other in 2014. Love it. Can't wait for the SUMMERRR! ;)

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:26 AM

ty ty elanor.

Sophia BelitaJan 15, 2014, 1:27 AM

i am scared of twitter!

Mitchell HeldtJan 15, 2014, 1:27 AM★ Spotlighted

Until the whole citizen body gets out and takes a crap on the governor's lawn like in europe, we may not get much change

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:28 AM★ Spotlighted

I post stuff all day on FB @ world change today feel free to invite yaselves, love to have more people posting there.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:28 AM★ Spotlighted

So is this chat platform going to become something we can do on the regular @leecamp and @eleanorgoldfield?

Mitchell HeldtJan 15, 2014, 1:29 AM

They have been fairly regular

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:29 AM★ Spotlighted

ooo new material! O.O looking forward to that

Katie KlabusichJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks, Lee & Eleanor! Great talk!

Mitchell HeldtJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM★ Spotlighted

But, the comment stream needs a way to incorporate the comment stream of the hosts. Very easy to lose them

Johnathonfall thethirdJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM

Postcards are lovely…they have such a remarkable journey.

Peri LaneJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM★ Spotlighted

I really enjoy the tawks, it helps keep things at the forefront of my mind. Thanks for doing them. :)

Dave AdamsJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM

thanks

Daniel JacksonJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM

Peace...Keep Fighting!!!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 1:30 AM

oh and thank you for another great Tawk you guys. just when i think this cant get any better

Pat FJan 15, 2014, 1:31 AM★ Spotlighted

The more they try to silence the people, and drown us out with inane bullshit, and take away our tools, the more credence it gives to our ideas. Thanks for finding new avenues everyone.

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 1:31 AM

you can all find me on fb and twitter comet on twiiter, de muta on fb. i run a small page on fb where i share Lee's, TZM and ocean/land awareness, currently small but growing everyday c:

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:31 AM

Thanks all :)

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 1:31 AM

my page is The Neptune Project

Stanley UlchJan 15, 2014, 1:31 AM

I love interactive like this :)

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:32 AM★ Spotlighted

I WILL BE HERE EVERY TUESDAY if that's an option :) Love this!

Steven GearyJan 15, 2014, 1:32 AM

Has anyone ever discussed an alternate plan for when THEY decide to shut the internet and phones off for like a week to screw us all?

comet demutaJan 15, 2014, 1:33 AM

k tues will be here

Da JamsterJan 15, 2014, 1:33 AM

Trying to read 2 columns of text, both moving. Just not doable for me, so I've just focused on hosts column.

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:33 AM

Here's a video from the band @aarons nelsons and I are in: George Morris & The Gypsy Chorus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iN5mU4KaaE

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:34 AM

Can't wait for your vid @eleanorgoldfield

Helena KirbyJan 15, 2014, 1:35 AM

@helenakirby faceboook.com/helena.kirby facebook.com/commongroundmovement facebook.com/georgemorrismusic facebook.com/magneticrecording

Coy KoehlerJan 15, 2014, 1:45 AM

Here is a petition started for Net Neutrality: http://act.freepress.net/sign/internet_FCC_court_decision2?source=facebook

Coy KoehlerJan 15, 2014, 1:47 AM

...oops, too late.

peter blockJan 15, 2014, 1:49 AM

Oh, I see. 4:30 eastern time

Ralph JohnsonJan 15, 2014, 2:06 AM

damn it. i'm late

Tanya VetlovJan 15, 2014, 2:35 AM

o.O :D

Steven PalmerJan 15, 2014, 2:33 PM

I'm not sure I agree with the metaphor of slowing down offline traffic, but Republicans would be hypocritical to disagree.

Experimental DecayJan 17, 2014, 12:25 AM

Maybe try to get an interview with Kim Dotcom Lee. He trying to start a new internet and create a new browser. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1bDMfRfsrw