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From Food Truck to Restaurant

May 28, 2014

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May 28, 2014

From Food Truck to Restaurant: Building a Brand. The odds are often stacked against ambitious future-restaurateurs (and other entrepreneurs). With creative ideas and a unique approach, starting small can lead to big things. The founders (and siblings) of Mei Mei Street Kitchen and Restaurant will talk about their experience building a brand and their business from a food truck to a restaurant.

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Margaret Li · 5:00 PM

Hi everyone! Welcome to our live chat, thanks for joining us.
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Irene Li · 5:00 PM

Whoop whoop! Thanks for coming, everybody
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Margaret Li · 5:01 PM

We're psyched to be here doing this, brought to you by Society of Grownups https://twitter.com/societygrownups
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Margaret Li · 5:01 PM

And we've already got some fun questions going, so let's get started!
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Margaret Li · 5:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robby Reider

What first inspired your food truck?

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Irene Li · 5:02 PM

Hey Robby! Thanks for your question. We got really excited about food trucks back in 2012 when we saw the Great Food Truck Race on Food Network and also noticed a few trucks popping up around Boston.
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Irene Li · 5:02 PM

It seemed like a great way to test drive (ha!) dishes and menu ideas without spending too much money. Our big bro had worked in fine dining and wanted a change, and my sister and I just loved food and cooking. Seemed like a great matchup!
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Margaret Li · 5:03 PM

Sadly Andy can't make it today but he says hi everyone!
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Margaret Li · 5:03 PM

Ooh lots of great questions. We'll try to hit as many as we can. I like this one from Trey...
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Irene Li · 5:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Trey Williamson

What's a double awesome I want one!

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Margaret Li · 5:04 PM

The Double Awesome is one of our top-selling items, a scallion pancake sandwich with Vermont cheddar cheese, local greens pesto, and two slow-poached then fried eggs.
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Margaret Li · 5:05 PM

I invented it right at the beginning of our food truck days when we realized that we needed super quick items to make during a lunch rush. And it combines some of the Chinese food we ate as kids with things we love. LIKE CHEESE.
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Irene Li · 5:05 PM

She's basically a culinary genius ^_^
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Margaret Li · 5:05 PM

Hahahaha. Anything with two eggs is two times awesome in my book
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Irene Li · 5:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel Pietrangelo

I have a question! Being siblings, business partners and friends how do you deal with disagreements that pertain to the restaurant? Is there someone in the family that acts as a mediator?

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Irene Li · 5:06 PM

Rachel, what a great question! I think the most valuable part of working together as a family is that we already love and trust each other. And when we argue, we can always call on Mom!
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Irene Li · 5:07 PM

Plus, we each oversee a different part of the business - Mei the biz side, Andy the front of house and truck, me the menu and sourcing - so we're getting used to picking our battles.
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Margaret Li · 5:07 PM

We certainly have our moments of 'disagreement' :) But the best part is we trust each other implicitly and know that each other is always doing their best for the business.
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Margaret Li · 5:07 PM

We try not to pull each other's hair:)
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Irene Li · 5:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from yoni oppenheim

Is the extreme weather in winter time does not affect the company profits?

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Margaret Li · 5:08 PM

Good call, Yoni. The weather in Boston, particularly this winter, does affect profits seasonally. So you have to make adjustments - more hot items, more items that can be served fast so no one waits too long in the cold!
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Margaret Li · 5:08 PM

And that's part of why we opened a brick and mortar restaurant - it's still affected by snow, but not to the same degree.
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Margaret Li · 5:08 PM

We're going to spotlight two questions that kind of fit together.
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Irene Li · 5:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kelly Petersen

What is the process like for getting a food truck licensed? I heard it can take a while in some cities

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Irene Li · 5:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Leibowitz

Hi Margaret and Irene - what are the top couple things that people underestimate when they consider getting a food truck?

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Margaret Li · 5:09 PM

Hi Kelly and HELLOOOOOOOO Steven!
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Margaret Li · 5:09 PM

Long time no see dude:)
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Irene Li · 5:09 PM

The process for licensing a food truck in Boston is a big task. You have to work with the city program, with the fire dept, the health dept, public works, parking and transportation, etc. I think people interested in opening food trucks definitely...
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Irene Li · 5:10 PM

underestimate the sheer amount of administrative work it takes. You can't just buy a truck and pull up to any curb in the city - though that would be nice :)
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Margaret Li · 5:10 PM

People also are often surprised by the number of people working the truck. You need a lot of staff to put out food for a big lunch rush, so running a food truck means managing lots of people and lots of moving parts
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Margaret Li · 5:11 PM

We usually have 6 people on busy days and that involves a lot of coordination!
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Margaret Li · 5:11 PM

Kelly, the other important thing to keep in mind is that every city/town has different rules
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Margaret Li · 5:11 PM

The industry is new, so a lot of city governments are still working out what is best for them. So a lot of times you figure things out with them as you go along!
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Irene Li · 5:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ofer Hameiri

What's the difference between running a successful food truck and running a successful restaurant?

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Irene Li · 5:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ofer Hameiri

Do you guys have plans to expand or moving into a permanent place? In case you do...Where would you get the funds for it? We all know banks are really strict these days…

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Margaret Li · 5:12 PM

Hi Ofer, so we actually opened a restaurant in November in Boston in the Audubon Circle neighborhood. 506 Park Drive for you Boston folks (shameless plug!)
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Margaret Li · 5:13 PM

So another thing that many people don't know, and this gets back to Steven's question, is that most cities require you to sell your food out of a licensed commissary kitchen.
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Margaret Li · 5:13 PM

THat means you need to rent licensed, inspected facilities and can't just cook food in your home kitchen and roll out to sell.
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Margaret Li · 5:14 PM

So people don't realize that you have to pay rent, and this can often be quite expensive in a city such as Boston where there are not too many licensed facilities
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Margaret Li · 5:14 PM

A lot of people expand from food truck to restaurant because having your own restaurant allows you to use the physical spot as your food truck commissary. So you are combining your costs with two sources of revenue.
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Irene Li · 5:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Megan Marrs

Where do you guys come up with some of your menu items? Some are SO creative, I'm really curious where those ideas come from. Genius shower moments?

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Margaret Li · 5:15 PM

Okay, now Irene's turn to answer some menu stuff!
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Irene Li · 5:16 PM

Thanks for your kind words, Megan! We draw on lots of different sources for inspiration, including our Chinese background. We also let seasonal availability of local products dictate a lot of our menu direction. We grew up in a Chinese American house
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Irene Li · 5:16 PM

But we ate all sorts of different foods. Quality and sustainability is so important to us - we try to make sure all our dishes feature ingredients that we're proud to sell. And of course we want everything to be delicious!
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Margaret Li · 5:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Hammond

what role did social media play in the growth of your business. i just saw that movie "chef" and thought of you guys!

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Margaret Li · 5:16 PM

This is a great question, Mike.
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Margaret Li · 5:17 PM

We use social media a TON with our business and I think it has played a huge role in our success.
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Margaret Li · 5:17 PM

Not only is it useful for logisitical details (here is where we are parked today and here is the menu of the day), but it is also amazing for building relationships.
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Margaret Li · 5:17 PM

For example, two of the people on this Tawk thread (hi Megan and Steven!!) are big time Boston food truck industry supporters
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Margaret Li · 5:18 PM

We met them both on social media and have also connected with many other restaurants and food trucks via Twitter and other channels. It's a great way to talk to our guests and other industry folks!
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Irene Li · 5:18 PM

Especially when we were a mobile business with no base of operations, social media was a really nice way to stay connected with people we only saw once/week or less.
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Irene Li · 5:19 PM

Since we're a family business, we want our guests to feel like they're part of our story and part of our community! Sharing photos or tidbits on twitter or facebook has helped us do that well I think.
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Margaret Li · 5:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Courtney McCullough

What's been the biggest challenge in moving into the brick & mortar? Any plans to get a liquor license?

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Margaret Li · 5:19 PM

So Courtney's question is great and reflects what a lot of other people have been asking in terms of challenges on the restaurant side.
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Margaret Li · 5:20 PM

Opening a restaurant is TOUGH. It is awesome, but it is lots of hard work every day.
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Margaret Li · 5:20 PM

The liquor license has ben a particular issue for us. For those of you following our business, you mayknow that we applied for a beer and wine license in January and had TONS of support.
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Margaret Li · 5:21 PM

Over 1000 signatures on a petition, lots of neighborhod people supporting the license, etc.
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Margaret Li · 5:21 PM

Unfortunately, there is a quota on beer & wine and all-alcohol licenses in every city/town in Massachusetts decided on the state level
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Margaret Li · 5:21 PM

(This has been a particular source of difficulty for us so prepare for a bit of a rant:)
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Margaret Li · 5:22 PM

What this means is that when there are no longer license available, as we encountered in January, you can no longer get one from the city at an affordable price.
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Margaret Li · 5:23 PM

Your only option then is to purchase one from another owner at extremely expensive prices. And what this means is that many small entrepreneurs (often minority-owned and independent businesses in less popular areas of town) lack the capital to...
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Irene Li · 5:23 PM

(BYOB is not legal in Boston, unfortunately Rachel!)
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Margaret Li · 5:23 PM

acquire these licenses. So that means the big restaurant groups with lots of investment have the advantage over small shops like ours.
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Margaret Li · 5:24 PM

Unfortunately these laws have been on the books forever and people are trying to change them, such as City Councillor Ayanna Pressley. But that kind of change takes time. So in the meantime, because beer & wine sales are a huge source of revenue in..
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Margaret Li · 5:24 PM

this industry, we have taken the step of purchasing one. It has just gone through the City and next the State and we are hoping it will be up and running in June or July!
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Irene Li · 5:25 PM

TL;DR there will be beer at Mei Mei soon!
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Margaret Li · 5:25 PM

LONG ANSWER RANT OVER:)))
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Margaret Li · 5:25 PM

Yes! We are excited to have craft beer and kickass wine soon. So come in and have a delicious adult beverage with us soon.
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Irene Li · 5:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Julienne Stenberg

Hi Irene and Mei! Miss you guys! I was curious to know if you guys find it challenging to source locally while also keeping costs down?

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Irene Li · 5:25 PM

Hey Julienne! As you guys know I love talking local sourcing and this questions is a good one.
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Irene Li · 5:26 PM

It can definitely be challenging but we've found certain ways to make local sourcing work as well for us as it does for the farmers. A lot of this has to do with being flexible and helping them reduce waste
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Irene Li · 5:26 PM

or move a bumper crop of something in a pinch.
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Irene Li · 5:27 PM

We try to plan ahead with farmers about what we'll buy so they can grow produce or animals just for us. It builds security into the business relationship for both sides.
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Irene Li · 5:27 PM

Since we opened we've sourced over 120,000 pounds of local product to Boston, and we're working to do even more in the next growing season!
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Irene Li · 5:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Adam Densky

any thoughts on expanding in the food truck world?

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Margaret Li · 5:28 PM

So we have a bunch of questions about opening your own food truck, expanding, and saturation in the industry.
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Irene Li · 5:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Rose

This may seem like a weird question, but are there "too many" food trucks these days? Is the market oversaturated?

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Margaret Li · 5:28 PM

I think the answer to Jeff's question depends a certain amount on where you are.
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Irene Li · 5:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Stuart Nadler

Do you think the popularity of food trucks is going to eventually lead to a drop in quality?

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Margaret Li · 5:29 PM

It also is both a logistical question as well as a market question. So for example, the Boston food truck community still could do with a lot more trucks offering different cuisines.
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Margaret Li · 5:29 PM

However, there are only a certain amount of trucks that can fit on the streets of Boston and it's getting harder for new trucks to get into those prime locations.
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Margaret Li · 5:30 PM

However, there are more and more towns outside of Boston that are looking for more food trucks
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Margaret Li · 5:30 PM

And to answer Stuart's question, I think actually the opposite is true.
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Margaret Li · 5:31 PM

More trucks means more dedicated operators, more great cooks, more passionate people will take a chance on a food truck. The bar is raised and new entrants have to hit a higher level of quality to compete.
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Irene Li · 5:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Emily Wilson

Do the food trucks in Boston congregate in one area, or are they all over? How do you map out your route?

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Margaret Li · 5:32 PM

And this kind of touches on Emily's question.
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Margaret Li · 5:32 PM

In Boston, the food truck locations are decided by the City mostly, with some input from the community and trucks.
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Margaret Li · 5:33 PM

So there are only certain locations around Boston that are actually available for food truck parking. This is not the case in all cities, it totally depends.
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Irene Li · 5:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Nathalie Benareau

Can food trucks park anywhere they want? Or do you need a permit to park in a street?

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Margaret Li · 5:33 PM

So on the tough side, you can't just pull up and sell anywhere. But on the bright side, you know that this location is yours on Mondays from 11-3pm and no one else can park there.
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Margaret Li · 5:33 PM

So you can be more reliable for your customers and develop a weekly following.
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Irene Li · 5:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sally Johnston

I love food trucks! What is your favorite part about having one?

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Irene Li · 5:34 PM

Hey Sally, thanks for your question!
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Irene Li · 5:34 PM

My favorite part of the food truck is getting to be involved in both the food and service side of the business. I love that I can make sandwiches and also wave to guests and say hi to regulars at the same time.
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Irene Li · 5:35 PM

When I used to work in a restaurant, I missed having that connection with the people who ate the food I prepared. I would watch salads walk out the kitchen door forlornly and wonder whether the people eating them were happy or excited!
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Margaret Li · 5:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cassie Cook

I bet a ton of people would love to get into this business but don't know how to get started. What advice would you give to people who want to open their own food truck?

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Margaret Li · 5:35 PM

This is a great question Cassie. I think a great first step is to go work at one!
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Irene Li · 5:35 PM

We're hiring :)
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Margaret Li · 5:35 PM

That way you get a sense of the hard work, what service is like, how you prep the food, how to drive it, how to CLEAN IT
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Margaret Li · 5:36 PM

The 3-4 hours of lunch service is only one small part of the whole thing.
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Margaret Li · 5:36 PM

It takes multiple hours to prepare the food and LOTS of time to clean it afterwards:)
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Margaret Li · 5:37 PM

So then you get a sense of what food truck life is like and can use that to develop your concept.
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Margaret Li · 5:37 PM

Having a strong concept and identity is important. And a good crew of people! Definitely don't try to do this on your own. If you can rope in your little sisters, all the better.
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Margaret Li · 5:37 PM

But you have to name the food truck after them! (Mei Mei = little sister in Chinese)
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Margaret Li · 5:37 PM

Actually I want to spotlight my favorite comment so far...
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Irene Li · 5:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robby Reider

Irene, how did you get stuck with being the "babysitter" at Mei Mei restaurant and street kitchen? :)

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Margaret Li · 5:38 PM

Irene calls herself the baby sister of the group sometimes. But other times, TYPOS HAPPEN.
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Margaret Li · 5:38 PM

Also, sometimes she babysits when Andy and I get out of hand:)
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Irene Li · 5:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel Pietrangelo

Can you share an anecdote about opening the restaurant? Maybe something that was terrible at the time, but makes for laughs now?

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Irene Li · 5:39 PM

Love this question. The opening was definitely insane - little sleep, much stress. But the thing that really put a smile on my face through those days was seeing a lot of restaurant and food truck
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Irene Li · 5:39 PM

industry friends come through to support us. It really meant a lot that people came out to say hi - Chris Cronin from the Washington Square Tavern brought us half a pig's head!
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Irene Li · 5:40 PM

Rebecca Roth from the Gallows brought over a care package - bandaids, duct tape, tampons, advil.
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Irene Li · 5:40 PM

It really made us feel like we were part of a community - and that everything we were going through was worth it and we weren't alone!
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Margaret Li · 5:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Erin Kilmartin

What's the best foodie area in Boston? Any suggestion for people looking to visit and focus on a foodie adventure?

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Margaret Li · 5:40 PM

Great question, Erin. So much good stuff around!
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Margaret Li · 5:41 PM

As Megan and Steven have said, the Greenway during the week and SOWA markets on Sundays are amazing.
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Margaret Li · 5:41 PM

SO MUCH GOOD FOOD
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Margaret Li · 5:41 PM

If you're on the Greenway, you could then meander to Fort Point and go to Row 34 or Drink or Sportello or Tavern Road or Flour
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Margaret Li · 5:42 PM

Washington Square in Brookline is another new hotspot!
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Margaret Li · 5:42 PM

We love Washington Square Tavern, Ribelle, Fairsted, the Publick House...so much awesomeness going on there
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Irene Li · 5:42 PM

Plus we grew up right in that neighborhood - it's been awesome to see it develop into a food destination!
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Margaret Li · 5:42 PM

Awesome stuff going on in Somerville too.
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Margaret Li · 5:43 PM

We love Union Sq Donuts, Bronwyn, Journeyman.
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Margaret Li · 5:43 PM

Cleaning!
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Margaret Li · 5:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cassie Cook

Speaking of cleaning it, are there different standards for food trucks than restaurants? I'm sure its hard with limited space and equipment!

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Margaret Li · 5:44 PM

Someone asked a while ago about food trucks being clean because you break them down every day. That is certainly true.
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Margaret Li · 5:44 PM

In addition, what a lot of people who think of food trucks as 'roach coaches' don't realize is that our entire food truck is visible to people coming up and ordering.
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Margaret Li · 5:44 PM

So you have to keep it clean!
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Irene Li · 5:45 PM

We're inspected regularly - more often than many restaurants - and are held to the same standards by the health department. We all have handwashing sinks, refrigeration, heating elements, just like restaurants
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Margaret Li · 5:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Erin Kilmartin

Are you guys doing anything with Top Chef while they are filming in Boston?

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Margaret Li · 5:46 PM

This is a fun question:)
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Margaret Li · 5:46 PM

Not at the moment, but if anyone from Top Chef sees this, we'd love to!
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Margaret Li · 5:46 PM

Kristen Kish and Padma Lakshmi were at SOWA market over the weekend and they did stop by for a Double Awesome and Thai Curry Nachos
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Margaret Li · 5:46 PM

Some of us here are avid Top Chef watchers, so we're excited to see how the Boston episodes go down!
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Margaret Li · 5:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Food Truck Stars

What are pain points in regards to technology that you face constantly? Any thing that particular that you think would be helpful for food trucks?

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Margaret Li · 5:48 PM

Good question. We use a POS (point of sale) system on the truck that runs on wifi. The wifi cuts out all the time in certain locations!!
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Margaret Li · 5:48 PM

Reliable mobile internet would be great.
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Margaret Li · 5:49 PM

Okay, going to take just one or two more questions, we gotta do some prep for dinner tonight!
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Margaret Li · 5:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ofer Hameiri

How difficult is it to build an audience when you moving from place to place? you missing your regular customers that holding the business...

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Margaret Li · 5:50 PM

Ofer, this is a good question. While it can be difficult that we're only in each space once a week, it does mean that we can hit many more areas than a permanent location!
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Margaret Li · 5:50 PM

So we get to see people near Copley Square, South Station, City Hall Plaza, etc. And that gets many more eyes on the truck and therefore many more potential customers.
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Margaret Li · 5:50 PM

Even though we move consistently, we still have regulars at each location. And if they only see us once a week, they may be more likely to make an effort to come eat lunch with us.
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Margaret Li · 5:51 PM

So no one takes us for granted! :)
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Margaret Li · 5:52 PM

So we're going to wrap up now, thank you all so much for hanging out this past hour!
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Irene Li · 5:52 PM

Don't forget you can keep up with us on twitter/instagram @meimeiboston!
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Margaret Li · 5:52 PM

And find our food truck schedule and restaurant details at www.meimeiboston.com
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Margaret Li · 5:52 PM

Or click the banner below!
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Margaret Li · 5:52 PM

And thanks to the Society of Grownups for making this Tawk happen!
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Irene Li · 5:52 PM

Thanks for your enthusiasm, everyone! It's great to know there are lots of folks out there who care about food!
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Margaret Li · 5:53 PM

Come visit our truck or restaurant and say hello....this has been a blast!
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Margaret Li · 5:53 PM

BYE GUYS!!!!! xoxoxoxo