Eleanor Goldfield

Fun with Ebola (or not)

Aug 12, 2014

Lee Camp
Stage· 270 messages
Aug 12, 2014

As Ebola makes headlines from Africa to Atlanta, activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp discuss this new epidemic and the spread of disease in the globalized 21st century.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 8:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Bobby Rodrigo

Hello Eleanor and Lee. Good to catch up with you again. Looking forward to these Tawks. Be well.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us at this week's REVOLTING tawk. Tell all your friends that you're here with ebola
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey everybody! Welcome to REVOLTING!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Do us a favor and take 2 seconds to let people know you're here - just post the link to FB, Twitter, and Uber.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

Hello Lee and Eleanor

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

And make a vine of you going, "I fucking love REVOLTING!"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

evening eleanor and lee!!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

wow - vine. people still use that?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

So we're gonna spend the first half hour on ebola, then we'll probably shift to some new citizen united info and maybe other stuff too.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

It's a mixed bag - but let's start with ebola.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

I hope it's not a mixed bag of ebola.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

hey everyone! glad I made this one, missed it last week! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Don't be so close minded Lee - you may just enjoy it
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Rachel, we all just bowed our heads and mourned for the entire hour. We couldn't proceed without you.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

So - ebola. The Spanish priest just died this morning didn't he?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

yep

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

And I believe several airports in Africa have been shut down because of the epidemic - the worst in Africa's history
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

they finally allowed the medicine to be given. about friggin time,dont ya think?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

So what's the update on this new serum. Is it hard to produce? Expensive?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

apparently it is 'very limited' in amount.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Because it seems to work, right?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Lee - there ya go - http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/12/world-health-organisation-allow-unlicensed-ebola-drugs-west-africa?CMP=twt_gu

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

Is this what they produced with the help of ebola survivors?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

"seems" may be the operative word. heard anything new about the two people in the US?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

apparently the two people in teh US are on the mend
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Yeah, I think two people have survived from it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

so it was a new case of Ebola we needed to create a new serum for?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

well seeing as the people in the us were getting better, i was wondering why they werent giving it out to the people in africa...but now it seems they are

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

giving it out or lending it
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Rachel - we had never cracked the code on ebola. There has never been a vaccine or anything.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Hiya gang!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Hey Mike!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

probably both...gotta make their money some how,right?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

http://www.who.int/features/2014/life-after-ebola/en/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

and this serum isn't a vaccine or a cure but rather a medicine, right? before, nothing helped but this does help but not 100% turnaround right?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

oh ok so we just try and stay extra sanitary to stay away from it, I am thinking raw chicken that might be another thing

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

yep - wash yourself and your chicken and you won't get ebola.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

They will be cranking out the serum like nobody's business if anyone gets sick in the US. Big bucks.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

The other question is how much of this is media hype? Obviously it's horrifying if you catch it but right now the odds of that are infinitesimal.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

just jack up the prices 600% mike, cuz they "care"

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Particularly in the US - the two people that have (had) it are confined
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

i bet clorox is making a shit ton right now tho
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ebola-serum-20140804-story.html

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

how long did they have this "cure"? did they have before the outbreak? they were bloody fast with making it anyways

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

The drug is a cocktail of three "humanized" monoclonal antibodies that are manufactured in a group of fragrant plants or bushes known by the genus name Nicotiana. = ZMapp

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Even when something SHOULD be covered on the news, they still do a ridiculous job of it. I saw reports saying "What if it becomes airborne?" Well, if it's not airborne at all, then all that does is scare the shit out of people.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

hmmmm - maybe if we stopped destroying all the damn natural resources on this planet, we'd find the cure for all sorts of things
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Robin - Even if you made that up, it sounded so good I'll buy it. :)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

well even if it did go airborne, the confinement of these two isn't just a curtain or anything - it's pretty hard core from what I've read
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Ask your doctor if ebolanomo is right for you.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

robin when I read "humanized" I thought gmo :p

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

= D seems to be the straight shyte.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

oh see this is all to deter us dirty hippies trying to living more "naturally" right? haha

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

outside of our own borders however, it seems to be pretty severe in Africa
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

they put a lot of airborne shit into our air and people don't care about that... it is ridiculous, like because the media tells people to freak out most of them do :/

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

It sounds pretty awful.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

the death toll topped 1,000 according to WHO this morning
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

and i think the only reason its become so big here in the uk and the rest of europe...is because of that priest dying. before that? hardly anything

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

pesticides?? let's freak out about that first mm kay? they have more of a chance of harming you than this

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

By the way guys, later in this tawk we might turn it into "remembering Robin Williams" because I think that might be nice for a few minutes.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well in Africa and other poorer countries I can see why it would hit hardest there, the question i have is there a reason it hardest in Africa? we have been going after their resources quite a bit haven't we?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

I mean, it brings up important questions about society breaking down when there's an outbreak like this.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

@Rachel - probably because of the lack of sanitary conditions in many areas
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Sure, maybe the gov't is supposed to clean up the bodies, but I wouldn't be surprised if the workers are like "fuck that. I'm not dying."
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Diseases like close quarters and many villages and areas in Africa don't even have clean drinking water
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

And people probably don't want to have to deal with burying the dead. So it can quickly become a mess.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

Neither does Detroit or Ohio.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

It will be interesting when they industrialize Africa.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

So the next stop for ebola is detroit. maybe then they'll get some federal aid money
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

I read an article that said that many families that have infected family members aren't taking them to isolation areas, preferring to keep them home and pray. Another way religion isn't helping.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

Mike - we probably shouldn't talk about the entire continent as one thing. Some of Africa is quite industrial.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

Great point, Chris. Religion is fucking awful in this circumstance.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

@Chris - that literally almost made me gag. Although I shouldn't be surprised
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

Is it possible they aren't praying hard enough? Have we measured it with some sort of prayer Geiger counter?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

this ebola outbreak everyone was saying there is no cure it usually takes 90 days to create a vaccine for new strains of a virus 2 american doctors were infected and the us had a vaccine for them in less than a week .....suspicious as fuck

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

Clearly that's the problem, Lee. If we just sent more religious zealots over there, we'd probably have the cure by sunrise
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

and did scientists just give up on trying to find a cure? I hope they have at least been actively trying this whole time, although part of me wonders

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

El - It's possible they have to try several different prayers before they find the right one. It's a scientific process that can take awhile.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

And if their family members survive, and I hope they do, it will just bolster their faith in religion.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Jesus puts his money in the 1st national bank, Jesus saves, Jesus saves, Jesus saves. Sorry about that one folks.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

Kinda like finding the right radio frequency of a show - you have to find the right prayer that the Lord is tuned into.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I do think scientists are actively looking for a cure - but there's also a priority misplacement, in our country and probably many others. A few years ago, a scientist actually came out complaining about the amount of money her lab got to test
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

And maybe you find the right prayer but unfortunately at that moment he's busy listening to "The American Life" and he totally misses it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

shampoos while a lab looking for treatments and cures for leukemia got far less
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

El - I've always said that if we spent as much time on world peace and shit as we do on our hair, we could solve every world problem. You just proved me right.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

But on the bright side Lee, I bet your hair is very shiny
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

My hair is quite shiny but the world has gone to hell.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

Fine, be a pessimist like that
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Lee's hair is squeaky clean

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25823/61/ U.S. patents ebola virus.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Let's not go crazy, Lucy.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

well now that it's patented, do we want to go all crazy and V for Vendetta, suggesting that people will be purposefully infected?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Amazon patented clicking once. (not kidding)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

but thats an action not an object lee

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i liked the idea of shopping at amazon using your mind....just one look and its in your basket

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

dude I miss your untamed hairstyle lee! (ok back to important things lol)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

holy shit robin ...they are claiming patents on anything these days

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Yeah, who does your hair, Lee?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Mike - L'oreal, cos he's worth it (flick flick of hair)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

I hire a team of people to run their hands through it in a lusty manner 3 to 4 hours a day.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

who does your beard mike...its amazeballs

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

Amazeballs totally does Mike's beard.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

That sounds really quite nice Lee - can I borrow that team?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

You can have them on my off days.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

So what exactly does it do to patent ebola?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Is someone really gonna sue you for using THEIR ebola?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

off days...hahaha lee doesn't have "off days"

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

the serum, not the virus
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

but i could totally see monsanto getting on that train
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

El - that article was about patenting the virus.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

oh, missed that git
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

bit not git
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Calling me a "git" was a bit much.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

OK - now I am sufficiently creeped out. I just joined this tawk and I am seeing ebola and patent in the same breath. Whaaaa!? I knew the lizard aliens were up to no good. Rumsfeld, u bastard.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

freudian slip but at least you know how i feel now
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

that is messed up, they can play with it in all kinds of ways then can't they?? little creepy..

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

No medical reason to bring Ebola to the United StatesnThis patent may help explain why Ebola victims are being transported to the United States and put under the medical authority of the CDC. These patients are carrying valuable intellectual property

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Michael - You have to warm up to this pool of crazy! You can't just jump in! It's depressurizing for a scuba diver. SLOWLY.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

I want to be surprised by that, but I'm really not
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

Patent the virus so you can make money on the weaponization.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Robin - There's an easier, less nefarious explanation. We probably have the most sophisticated CDC in the world, or close.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee - El wants you to dress up in a leather git suit and run your hands through her hair

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Chris - oh you cynic you!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

Michael - I don't even know what that is.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

yeah true bringing a ebola victim to court to sue him for unlicensed use of ebola

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

damnit michael - you weren't supposed to tell him that
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

http://www.npr.org/2014/08/12/339752974/why-is-there-no-drug-to-treat-ebola

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

Could I mention that Steve Inskeep on NPR this morning got all over the issue of the ebola serum not being profitable, so that's why it isn't mass-produced and widely available yet?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

so speaking of this, don't they have a bunch of viruses and contagions locked away in some vault somewhere? why would we KEEP these things, why not detroy them?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Rebecca - that's great. Sometimes NPR is good. Sometimes it lacks.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I clearly reached way too deep for that pun

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

@Rachel, it's so that they can use them to compare new viruses to old samples to see if the virus has evolved
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Ah, gotcha!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

and also to use in order to make vaccines
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rebecca Westbrook Toker

It's nice to see some emotion about it and see a reporter make sure to nail that point.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

It's all Obama's fault anyway.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

i blame putin

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i blame barney the dinosaur

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

hmm, but that doesn't stop them from potentially using them for harm either does it?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

nope rachel - it doesn't technically
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

they need the fear and the panic first, and they had it

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

so, rebecca...; does that mean they brought those two people back so it could spread and cause an epidemic here and then they can sell the cure for a huge profit?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Anybody wanna shift over to remembering Robin Williams? Or perhaps talking about depression?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i do

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

Yep, let's
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

I was really stunned by that news yesterday. So fucking crappy.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

aww Robin William...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

man he helped me through my childhood in so many ways

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

my fave movie of his was one hour photo

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Robin Williams was one of a kind.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Depression is a bitch!!!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

Even though I completely understand the psyche of a comedian, it's still shocking to think of the guy bringing more laughter into homes than perhaps ANYONE was so deeply depressed.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

You would know more about this than me Lee, but from what I've seen and experienced, often times the people that can make everyone laugh the most is often the one with the darkest side
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

#RobinWilliams is just meh. But Robin Williams? A true comic. @Lee - being a comic, how much influence did he have on you?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well and so often I think people in the "business" don't feel justified in feeling depressed, I think people like that are higher risk than most, alot of people get into it for some sort of attention and validation and you won't it outsideyourself :/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

that quote going around attributed to him is really chilling now. about how being around people who make you feel alone is the worst thing ever.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Michael - I don't think he influenced my style, but I always looked at him as an impressive talent. A one of a kind. In fact probably the reason he didn't have more influence on me is because I knew I could never do what he did.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i heard that the reason he did all those voices? was cos no-one would play with him as a kid

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

He was in a different world of comedy from me, a different genre in a lot of ways, one I had no handle on.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

he was definitely a one of a kind comic, had his own style

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee - Well said.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

we are so good at just tearing down anyone who is different

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

even robin frickin williams

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

he was incredible, most of his stuff was improvised. off the cuff.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

He could go from Ork to Mork, to One Hour Photo to Dead Poets... i mean, his range was fucking crazy. drama and comedy put together so seamlessly.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

And as someone who has dreamed of being a comedian since I was 12, it's still amazing to think of the most accomplished comedian in the world (in many ways) as being so incredibly unhappy.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

He was obviously influenced by Jonathan Winters who also had his demons.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

some of the demons, the dark side as it were, allows comedians, artists, musicians to create what they create
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

but it of course has a price to live much of your life in an abyss
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

sometimes we end up putting on more of a show for others than we ever intended... it is so important to be raw and truthful in this fake world :/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

True, Eleanor.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

artists by definition see the world in deeper shades and emotions than others I think

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

I've always felt that people who are REALLY good actors, who truly lose themselves in their roles, tend to have serious mental difficulty at some point. And that seems to have played out recently with both Robin Williams and Hoffman.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

higher highs make lower lows
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

God isn't that the truth.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@El - YES. It is a weird give and take that nobody is ever in control of. I find humor in some of your lyrics with Rev Rooftops, even though you deliver it in anything that would look like comedy.. the sign of a true artist i think.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Rachel, I don't know if that's true about artists, we just spend more time diving into it.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I always wrote the best stuff in those lows tho lol

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

thanks Michael.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I hate doing this on my iPhone.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

i am still tearing up just talking about him. he was always there, making me giggle. depression/suicide is a bitch,as has been said. something that never leaves you.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

@Rachel - it's a great place of inspiration and a place a lot of artists I know go frequently to find new art, but it's often at the expense of something - health, or indeed so far as life
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

So it's like fast food - magical but then impacts your health greatly.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

I think whisky and delving into your abyss tastes better than a big mac, but that's just me :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

I'm waiting for Alex Jones to say the CIA took him out. How long until that happens?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I have heard that some artistic people use things like marihuana.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Ha! They would never!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

what's marihuana mike?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

It's like against the law... Very rebellious.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

and psychedelics, man what I wouldn't give to see the documents explaining some of the experiments they were doing in the 70's I had a professor who went into the army and did a LSD experiment for weeks in the government, what?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

oh, paying for sex - nah, artists don't need to do that
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

made it. WTF did i miss?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

Phil - we're remembering Robin Williams at the moment, you missed ebola (which is good for you)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

favorite robin williams role?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

Good Morning Vietnam was pretty great. But I loved Doubtfire when I was young.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

I think Birdcage is mine
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I just got chills, the first thing I thought of was "what dreams may come" loved that movie. Jack was another of my favorites

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

Aladdin was pretty brilliant considering how much was ad-libbed.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Mrs. Doubtfire was the best!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

I just read that they refused to allow Aladdin to be nominated for best script because too much was ad-libbed by Robin.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

how old are you lee

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

34
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Aladdin is great too! I think everything he did was great, I can't think of a movie I didn't like him in

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

i didn't know one hour photo wasn't a comedy until i saw it - blew me away
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

so insidiously creepy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Anybody seen "World's Best Dad" - I think that's the title.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

great movie
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Dead Poets Society is my favorite. You get the manic humor, the impressions, but you get large doses of the darkly comical too.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

by Bobcat Goldthwait
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

oh yeah Michael - that's a great film
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

goodwill hunting too
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Robin Williams son accidentally hangs himself in it. Really dark comedy.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

haven't seen world's best dad. i'll have to look that up
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

shit - oddly prophetic and eerie
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Yeah, it's kinda eerie. He dies by autoerotic asphyxiation and then the rest of the movie is Robin Williams trying to figure out how to remember him because the son was an asshole.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Robin Williams was a genius in everything he did.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Yep Goodwill Hunting is another one.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

Unreasonable artistic torment is a helluva drug

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Actually, somebody made the point.. Fisher King, What Dreams May COme, WOrlds Best Dad, Dead Poets Society.. a lot of his films have suicide themes in them.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

death is something humans have yet to come to terms with - suicide is that notion multiplied by a thousand
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I just fucking hate all the hype surrounding this very tragic issue. Lawrence O'Donell did a long monologue on it, then had James effing Lipton on, then he was reading live tweets of a clearly inebriated Chevy Chase who was doing tweets in all caps..

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

Unfortunately this happens whenever a celebrity dies
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

anyone else see that twit pic from CNN of the press relases from the family asking for privacy...while they were flying over the family home?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I just hope his energy is in a good place now, somewhere his soul can be at rest

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Chevy Chase is a pretty awful person - from the personal stories I've heard. I wouldn't take his word on much.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Finally toward the end Lawrence Odonnell starting reporting the fucking news for a change. he touched on ferguson issue.. but of course he framed it as being a problem with rioters instead of discussing the overall context of police brutality.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Yeah, I think it's pretty sick. They all go kinda crazy all at once and there's no way they can fill the time so then they start guessing about everything that happened.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

There are ways to remember someone without it turning into some grim carnival.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

Or a publicity stunt
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Yeah, El, I saw the Laugh Factory owner was on CNN doing a segment called "The Laugh Factory remembers Robin Williams" and it just stank of a publicity stunt.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

I don't think the owner knew him that well and furthermore it kept showing the Laugh Factory logo more than anything else.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

I expect to see many more of those.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

emotions - they are scary as hell to the masses :p

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well we are humans, we are flawed, but everyone acts surprised when that fact is shown again and again, what we need is more compassion, maybe then people in pain would feel comfortable talking and expressing how they feel

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

real emotions are. anything but a vapid smile
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

and I would assume (you two might know this) that hanging around people in the biz, you probably are around more fake people?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

christ yes - it's nauseating.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@Lee - ya that is Masada right? ive seen him do interviews before. he sounded like he had a Laugh Factory logo tramp stamp on his lower back.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

however, it does spur me to be even more outspoken - to try and balance out the vapidity and fake smiles, sentiments and stories
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Yeah, Masada is pretty crazy. He does celebrity comedian helping kids events that also seem to be publicity things.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I imagine the star status he was at, you would just be surrounded by people "wanting something" from you all the time, and not knowing who to trust

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee - i bet 60 percent goes to Laugh Factory for those charity events

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I was thinking about getting a moment of clarity tramp stamp once.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

Mike - you would attract AWESOME ladies with that.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

We're gonna wrap up in a minute - Do you guys have any suggestions for future topics?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

Solutions topic

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

hahaa! yeah you would! hahahaha! :D

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

solutions to what?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee - what makes you think i dont already have it??

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

Michael - Twit pic!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

(Off topic) Read articles on Organic additive free Tobacco being used to combat the plague back in the day and used to make kids smoke it as well as vinegar soaked bandanas over face while holding garlic in ones mouth. In case Ebola ends up being..

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

a eugenics weapon. Non-GMO tobacco =possible pathogen salyer. Oh ya and the herb "Rue"

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

twit pic of that and the git suit please
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Organized labor.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Mike - good one.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

yeah why does the us state dept keep contradicting their own press releases

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

El - Twit pic git?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@El - well played

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

that's the name of my next album
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

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Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

i wonder if depression rates go up as the quality of our society goes down, people say it is like a "nothing" issue but there has to be quite a correlation, makes me wonder if people are just weighted down by all this crap and most try to avoid

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

ahhh git is such an English word/phrase lol

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

You guys can keep talking but if you have any more ideas on future topics, let us know! @rooftopeleanor
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I'd say peace in the middle east, but fuuuuck

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Feel free to keep talking after we leave. Keep fightin, y'all. Thanks for the fun hour!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

i can't wait to see that twit pic haha! thanks lee and eleanor! :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

good tawk ya'all

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

thanks for the tawk Lee and Eleanor.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Mike - no you stupid git! hehe

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Thanks to all!!!