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How Beliefs are Created and Create our Reality

Oct 31, 2013

Blake Ian
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Oct 31, 2013
KJ

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

Hey All!
KJ

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

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hey

KJ

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

The challenge of this Tawk for me and Blake will be to stay on topic!
KJ

Kenna James · 8:21 PM

While I'm waiting for my Co_host, I will post working definitions of what we're going to be tawking about BEFORE he asks me....lol
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:21 PM

Which reminds meeeeeeee
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:22 PM

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got it my challenge is to get you off topic

KJ

Kenna James · 8:22 PM

Belief I'm defining is a long standing agreement that is held in place
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:23 PM

Thats your definition of Belief?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:23 PM

that seems more like the definition of an accepted scientific theory
KJ

Kenna James · 8:23 PM

Create I'm defining as bringing something into existence
KJ

Kenna James · 8:23 PM

interesting...expound please
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

I don't know that belief has anything to do with argument or theories
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

I think it is a personal thing
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

we each have our own beliefs
KJ

Kenna James · 8:24 PM

of course it is...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

they may intersect sometimes but they are ours
KJ

Kenna James · 8:24 PM

how is that different from what I said or defined it as
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:25 PM

May I...
KJ

Kenna James · 8:25 PM

you may
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:25 PM

Belief - An acceptance that something is true
KJ

Kenna James · 8:25 PM

true is another word added but okay
KJ

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

it is true for the individual for sure
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

and for those who may have smaller screens, the title is a bit lengthy, Ill put it down here "How Beliefs are Created and Create Our Reality"
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

Right that individual accepts that it is true
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

i didn't say it IS true
KJ

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

yes
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

i said its an individual acceptance that something is true
KJ

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

agreed...so any problem with my definition so far?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I have a problem with Trey!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

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i agree with Kenna is an acceptance

KJ

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

An agreement that is held in place?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I said acceptance!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

haha
KJ

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

Acceptance is a form of agreement
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

and yet Trey says she agrees with you but then quote me
KJ

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

Agreement means you are in alignment with something
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I disagree
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

lol just kidding
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

Ok so we know what create is, we know what belief is and I feel like the reality part is a bit redundant... because if we accept something we make it our reality
KJ

Kenna James · 8:28 PM

So How Belief is created is through Acceptance?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

its implied
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

definitely agree there!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

belief is created by accepting
KJ

Kenna James · 8:29 PM

ok
KJ

Kenna James · 8:29 PM

So how do we do that?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

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i agree with Blake

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

:)
KJ

Kenna James · 8:29 PM

How do we accept someone else's consideration and why?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

Well I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with someone else's consideration
KJ

Kenna James · 8:30 PM

really?
KJ

Kenna James · 8:30 PM

When you were growing up and your mom said...."Blake fire is dangerous, don't touch it" - you never accepted that consideration?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:30 PM

yes that one is an example of a belief coming from someone else
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:30 PM

I just said not necessarily always from others
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:31 PM

but ok I see what you mean
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:31 PM

so let me respond to that in the interest of progressing
KJ

Kenna James · 8:31 PM

ok
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

As children we are innocent, so we are quick to accept others considerations
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

its basically all we have
KJ

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

I know you've done a lot of work in this area of beliefs...I'm interested in discovering...
KJ

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

true
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

especially parents
KJ

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

agreed
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

and authority figures
KJ

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

do those beliefs stay with us?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

they SURE do Kenna
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

for most people I think they stay with us the rest of our lives
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

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until we decide what we want as beliefs

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

Right on Trey
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

Its a pivotal moment when you start questioning your beliefs
KJ

Kenna James · 8:33 PM

Whoa!!! we already decided
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

Questioning in general is probably one of the most important tools we have
KJ

Kenna James · 8:34 PM

when you accept the consideration, agree with it you already made the decision
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

that innocent child I was just tawking about doesn't question, therefore is so susceptible to others input
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

learning to question is key
KJ

Kenna James · 8:34 PM

A belief isn't decided upon....
KJ

Kenna James · 8:35 PM

it is a natural progression from an agreement that is held in place and you align with in order to survive in life
KJ

Kenna James · 8:36 PM

It is like saying I decided to lose a poker hand....a hand is already won or lost based on the decisions that happen along the way
KJ

Kenna James · 8:37 PM

A belief is the RESULT of ones decision to agree with something is what Im saying
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:37 PM

Im unclear about the point you are making
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:37 PM

ok
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:37 PM

is this in response to something I said ?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

The belief is the decision to agree with something, not the result
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

but I think thats semantical
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

I think we are agreeing
KJ

Kenna James · 8:38 PM

I don't think it is really,
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

Are you disagreeing with my statement about questioning?
KJ

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

But I'll accept it
KJ

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

no
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

ok
KJ

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

about what Trey said "until we decide what we want as beliefs"
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

ahhh
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Helene Paradis

Hi Everyone...

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

Hey Helene!
KJ

Kenna James · 8:40 PM

Hi Helene! Thx for joining us
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

Well I think what Trey is saying is a good point...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

its important
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

I can see how you might disagree with some of the wording
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

but the point, which is the most important part, I agree with
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

it is a decision to start questioning
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

to start taking a look at your beliefs, where they come from and if they are serving you
KJ

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

questioning is not a decision
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

sure it is
KJ

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

I disagree with that statement
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

its a decision to question or not
KJ

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

Decision means to make a choice
KJ

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

someone who is questioning is stuck in not making a choice
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

right, I choose to question my current beliefs
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

No no
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

again semantics are making you miss the point
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

take a step back
KJ

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

That's okay, but when you're questioning it means you are considering or evaluating, not deciding
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

you are mixing statements
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

let me explain here for a second
KJ

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

I'm sorry...I've lost the plot
KJ

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

okay
KJ

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

please explain
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

You can choose to / decide to question your beliefs, meaning not just follow your currently beliefs blindly...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

but put some effort in
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

and go through the discomfort
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

of taking a look at seeing which beliefs are serving you well and which are causing you repeated harm or suffering or confusion
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

that in my opinion is one of the most important things we can do in all areas of life... Question
KJ

Kenna James · 8:44 PM

agreed
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

because if you were right you will find out and thats great, and if you were wrong, then you can change
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

and thats great too
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

not questioning is dangerous
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

and its also from what I have seen, the more common way of life
KJ

Kenna James · 8:45 PM

dangerous for who?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

for the one not questioning and anyone else involved and effected by the actions not being questioned
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

Lets take a real life example
KJ

Kenna James · 8:45 PM

Btw - I was just tawking to your dad - he's viewing this on his IPhone...says he wish he could be here...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

nice!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

its a good Tawk already one of my favorites honestly
KJ

Kenna James · 8:46 PM

And that it was him that gave you the consideration that Fire was dangerous
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

Hi pop!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

OK - lets look at it in a corporate setting for a minute
KJ

Kenna James · 8:46 PM

ok
KJ

Kenna James · 8:47 PM

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we accept their beliefs as ours

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

If you have a team of people sitting at a table and nobody is questioning that the team's current set of beliefs and practices may be wrong that is dangerous
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

you also can't become completely discouraged of course by JUST looking at that
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

but ignorance is bliss, I don't believe in
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

true bliss is taking a hard cold look, going through discomfort and then landing somewhere you can feel very grounded in
KJ

Kenna James · 8:48 PM

sure...but when you are dealing with beliefs you are relating to most people on too high a level....in corporate meetings they don't want to question such things...they want to know what needs to be done...what solution will work, etc.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

because you know you haven't turned a blind eye out of fear of what you might find
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

right the corp thing wasn't so much about beliefs
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

it was an analogy , I agree with what you just said
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

just the analogy to explain the danger
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

of not questioning
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

beliefs are like your own personal board room in your mind and heart
KJ

Kenna James · 8:49 PM

got it.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

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you can acknowledge believe you dont have to accept them

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

absolutely Trey
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

i would say more accurately you acknowledge someone else's right to them
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

which I do, absolutely
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

the only belief I feel another human doesn't have the right to, is one which stops any other person from having their's
KJ

Kenna James · 8:50 PM

questioning is good, but over questioning can be just as dangerous.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

Totally!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

agreed KJ
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

thats why I said, you can't go down the road of discouragement in a company and always sit there playing devils advocate
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

you need celebration of victories and identifying whats working
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

its a balance like everything else
KJ

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

discouragement is deadly
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

agreed
KJ

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

because you validating the wrong behavior
KJ

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

you'll get more of it
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

Critical thinking should not be discouraging
KJ

Kenna James · 8:52 PM

you'll have a lot of dead bodies laying around when you discourage people from taking action
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

and tone is very important
KJ

Kenna James · 8:52 PM

Interesting comment Blake...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

in doing so
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

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It is possible to accept another's beliefs without making them your own.

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

my instinctual answer would be no Helene
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

as we have defined accepting a belief as making it your belief
KJ

Kenna James · 8:53 PM

I researched the word "critical" - this is the definition that I settled on -
KJ

Kenna James · 8:53 PM

Using communication to weaken or harm someone
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

hmmm
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

well many times a word by itself has a different definition from when its part of a phrase
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

Critical thinking a phrase
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

Critical thinking is a way of deciding whether a claim is true, partially true, or false.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

using learned tools and experience
KJ

Kenna James · 8:55 PM

true - In the end it is what the word means to you or what you give it - but in an effort to communicate with others effectively - I try to learn proper definitions
KJ

Kenna James · 8:55 PM

A way of deciding for me is not in thinking at all
KJ

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

it is in action
KJ

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

the process of deciding is in consideration and evaluation
KJ

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

But true decisions come as a result of making a choice
KJ

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

imo
KJ

Kenna James · 8:57 PM

lol
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

of course decisions are making a choice
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

they are synonymous
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

their are steps towards that choice
KJ

Kenna James · 8:57 PM

agreed
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

and a crucial one is questioning, maybe more accurately for your purposes, "taking a look at"
KJ

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

some get lost in the steps and never reach the top!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:58 PM

which in itself is a decision
KJ

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

yes
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:58 PM

the Universe will take you deeper and deeper into infinite layers if you keep digging. There is no getting to the bottom
KJ

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

consideration I call that - it's a step many don't even reach - which is what we're tawking about I think and I agree
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

its simplicity that is divine
KJ

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

which is why we need to go to the top!
KJ

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

so agree
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

Right the top! Simplicity
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

thats why simplicity brings joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

quiet, peace, cleanliness
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

these are joyful things
KJ

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

for some
KJ

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

the people who seek it
KJ

Kenna James · 9:00 PM

there are those who are not content or joyful unless there is discontent
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

hmmm well I don't know if they are joyful
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

they are satiated in some way by it
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

but I wouldn't classify it as joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

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Isn't it about choice... ?

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

isn't what about choice helene?
KJ

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

Mousollini or whatever the guys name was...believe me...was joyful when he destroyed a city!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

YES!!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

Well I don't believe you haha
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

I disagree
KJ

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

Helene...exactly!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

The level of choice is what brings Joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

and I don't know how you would claim to know what was being felt inside a foreign mass murdering ruler's mind
KJ

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

By how they respond
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:02 PM

but I do not believe it was joy
KJ

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

If they respond with cheers and raising fists in the air - they are celebrating, enthusiastic
KJ

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

we call that Joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:02 PM

I dont
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

necessarily
KJ

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

I know
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

lots of insane people do that
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

and they are not joyful per say
KJ

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

You think Joy is a spiritual commodity
KJ

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

it is not
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

Does cocaine bring Joy?
KJ

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

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i would think it is dangerous for the other person who has beliefs bred into him

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

to those who use it
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

on the surface it would certainly appear so
KJ

Kenna James · 9:04 PM

I could be Trey, if those beliefs lead them into danger
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

Often someone who drinks alcohol all day can appear joyful
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

but I would argue they are not
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

its artificial
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

its a mirage
KJ

Kenna James · 9:05 PM

Jovial maybe, not Joyful...lol
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

RIGHT!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

So hitler was not joyful
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

in his murdering success
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

he was perhaps jovial
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

but not JOYful
KJ

Kenna James · 9:05 PM

Agreed...you are tawking about something deeper then an emotion, correct?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

people who do terrible things do not experience joy in my opinion
KJ

Kenna James · 9:06 PM

okay...I like that opinion
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

they experience something that soothes their demons for the moment
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

and it may appear with cheers and waving of fists
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

but I don't think thats joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

In the end its a very diseased mind
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

incapable of joy
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

leading them to those actions
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

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It is a way of supressing

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

CHANGING ROUTE
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Kenna - whats one belief in your life that you have changed
KJ

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

I think you are correct Blake
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Thank you, I am glad that point got across because it meant a lot
KJ

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

Good question...let me consider a moment
KJ

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

Okay, I got it.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Awesome
KJ

Kenna James · 9:08 PM

the belief that I've changed is this....
KJ

Kenna James · 9:08 PM

how do I put it...looking for the right phrasing...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:09 PM

Take your time
KJ

Kenna James · 9:10 PM

You don't have to make others wrong to be right
KJ

Kenna James · 9:10 PM

To the belief....
KJ

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Grant Beingness
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

Ok Im confused a bit
KJ

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Never give up your personal authority
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

lets just take the belief itself
KJ

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

okay
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

You don't have to make others wrong to be right
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

That is the NEW belief I imagine
KJ

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Yeah, I use to believe that for me to be right, someone else had to be wrong
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

so the belief you changed was that you DO
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

got it.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

very good one
KJ

Kenna James · 9:12 PM

So I spend most of my time debating and making others wrong
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

Prob a very common one too. Though not common at all to be able to realize its a false belief
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

Ahhh
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

totally
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

so let me stop there for a second
KJ

Kenna James · 9:12 PM

I would get nowhere
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

accept frustrated
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

this is what I was saying before. negative results
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

you were wasting a lot of time trying to make others wrong
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

yes
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

it left you frustrated
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

Yes
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

these are negative results
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

of course
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

so eventually these results became so apparent to you
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

when you make someone else wrong, you lessen the relationship
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

that you said hey I hate these results, why am I getting them
KJ

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

negative to me means an unwillingness to experience something
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

and then through some great effort and work you identified the belief, prob figured out a bit about why you thought this
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

and then made the change
KJ

Kenna James · 9:14 PM

so my unwillingness to experience their opinion naturally pushed me away
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

Too many words
KJ

Kenna James · 9:14 PM

or them away from me...either way
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

everyone knows what negative means
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

totally
KJ

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

well, I said that because some people think the word negative is something bad
KJ

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

or they make a moral judgement of it
KJ

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

Negative is not necessarily bad - it's just a point of view
KJ

Kenna James · 9:16 PM

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isnt that the same as acknowleging kenna

KJ

Kenna James · 9:17 PM

I can be negative about putting my hand in a fire, because it serves my purpose
KJ

Kenna James · 9:17 PM

of not wanting to get burned
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

We really do have BAD habit of trying to define a single term and getting off track
KJ

Kenna James · 9:18 PM

LOL - yes we do
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

we can agree that your habitual behavior of trying to prove others wrong was a NEGATIVE result
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

without defining negative
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

just in general terms
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

it was a negative result
KJ

Kenna James · 9:18 PM

In dealing with people...Absolutely...it drove them away
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

so you were not willing to accept negative results over and over (as most people are)
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

so you did something about it, and you changed your life
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and Im sure it has brought JOY to you since
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and thats outstanding
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and admirable
KJ

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Yes I did. I feel I connect with people more now on a deeper level then I did before
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

OK my turn
KJ

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Thank you
KJ

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Yes, go ahead
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and you had a part in this one actually
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

blake great discussion

Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

Glad you are enjoying Trey and Helene!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:20 PM

And anyone else who reads this thread later!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

Totally
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:21 PM

So I believed that risk was inherently bad for most of the first half of my life, and that losing what you had was not worth taking a chance at getting something more
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:21 PM

even when I felt so sure that there was something more for me
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

I have completely reversed this belief, most significantly in the last few years
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

and poker lessons were part of it
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

along with many other areas of life
KJ

Kenna James · 9:22 PM

By something more...do you mean "more fulfilling?"
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

yes
KJ

Kenna James · 9:22 PM

Wow. Very cool.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

more chips, a better relationship, better living circumstances
KJ

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

that's great. Good for you.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

I know you've made a lot of efforts to do that...This site being one of them!!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

I am tawking to one of the creators of this site!! That's awesome!!!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:24 PM

I feel humbled and blessed.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:24 PM

:)
KJ

Kenna James · 9:24 PM

So....For those that come for the title of this Tawk, let me get us back on topic and complete something here, okay?
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:25 PM

yup
KJ

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Let me share a view point with you...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:25 PM

then I must go meditate... its getting late
KJ

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Beliefs are created when we agree and align ourselves to a consideration.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Those considerations, work their way into how we feel and act.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:26 PM

They then contribute to creating the reality we experience.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Example....A person afraid of tawking to people...is going to live a life of fear of being with people...etc.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:27 PM

Right they believe that tawking to someone will bring them harm
KJ

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

or tawking to them....rather. So they will sit in a forum perhaps, but not Tawk.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Yes!!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:27 PM

its a false belief based on past experience
KJ

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Or more likely...it did in the past and so made the consideration "If I tawk to people I'll get hurt"
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

one REALLY strong point that I realized too during my work on beliefs is...
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

every situation is unique
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

this person is NOT that person from the past
KJ

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

For some it is...for most it is not
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

this situation is NOT that situation
KJ

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

Yes!!!, but most don't operate like that
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

thats why when we yelling at someone, we are usually yelling at someone in our past not the person in front of us
KJ

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

most operate off of their past considerations as a way to survive
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

Check this out!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

exactly!!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

http://digitalbuddhist.com/page/5
KJ

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

In that we are contributing and creating our reality.
KJ

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

Ok.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

actually that will work for today, but in the future that won't work anymore so use this..
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

.com/post/64952431716/you-are-this-universe-and-youre-creating-it-at
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

Ahh
KJ

Kenna James · 9:30 PM

Yes, I checked this out last night and shared it with my sister. Great link.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

http://digitalbuddhist.com/post/64952431716/you-are-this-universe-and-youre-creating-it-at
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

ok THAT one haha
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

Lets end on that
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

people can go watch that vid
KJ

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

So now we've come full circle. We started with belief and creating them and then went on a journey of discussion and then came back to the beginning. Awesome!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

the ripples the boat makes in the water are there for us to look back and see where we have been... but they are not steering the boat...
KJ

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

That's perfect way to end. With Alan Watts. Someone you and I both align and agree with in his approach to life.
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

Totally. thanks so much KJ great Tawk!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

I agree!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

come back next week and teach us about Poker
KJ

Kenna James · 9:32 PM

You got it!
Blake Ian

Blake Ian · 9:32 PM

Have a good night. Happy Halloween!
KJ

Kenna James · 9:32 PM

Peace my friend.