Kenna James

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How Beliefs are Created and Create our Reality

Oct 31, 2013·37 visitors

Blake Ian

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Oct 31, 2013

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

Hey All!

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“hey”

Kenna James · 8:20 PM

The challenge of this Tawk for me and Blake will be to stay on topic!

Kenna James · 8:21 PM

While I'm waiting for my Co_host, I will post working definitions of what we're going to be tawking about BEFORE he asks me....lol

Blake Ian · 8:21 PM

Which reminds meeeeeeee

Blake Ian · 8:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“got it my challenge is to get you off topic”

Kenna James · 8:22 PM

Belief I'm defining is a long standing agreement that is held in place

Blake Ian · 8:23 PM

Thats your definition of Belief?

Blake Ian · 8:23 PM

that seems more like the definition of an accepted scientific theory

Kenna James · 8:23 PM

Create I'm defining as bringing something into existence

Kenna James · 8:23 PM

interesting...expound please

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

I don't know that belief has anything to do with argument or theories

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

I think it is a personal thing

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

we each have our own beliefs

Kenna James · 8:24 PM

of course it is...

Blake Ian · 8:24 PM

they may intersect sometimes but they are ours

Kenna James · 8:24 PM

how is that different from what I said or defined it as

Blake Ian · 8:25 PM

May I...

Kenna James · 8:25 PM

you may

Blake Ian · 8:25 PM

Belief - An acceptance that something is true

Kenna James · 8:25 PM

true is another word added but okay

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

it is true for the individual for sure

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

and for those who may have smaller screens, the title is a bit lengthy, Ill put it down here "How Beliefs are Created and Create Our Reality"

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

Right that individual accepts that it is true

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

i didn't say it IS true

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

yes

Blake Ian · 8:26 PM

i said its an individual acceptance that something is true

Kenna James · 8:26 PM

agreed...so any problem with my definition so far?

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I have a problem with Trey!

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“i agree with Kenna is an acceptance”

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

An agreement that is held in place?

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I said acceptance!

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

haha

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

Acceptance is a form of agreement

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

and yet Trey says she agrees with you but then quote me

Kenna James · 8:27 PM

Agreement means you are in alignment with something

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

I disagree

Blake Ian · 8:27 PM

lol just kidding

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

Ok so we know what create is, we know what belief is and I feel like the reality part is a bit redundant... because if we accept something we make it our reality

Kenna James · 8:28 PM

So How Belief is created is through Acceptance?

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

its implied

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

definitely agree there!

Blake Ian · 8:28 PM

belief is created by accepting

Kenna James · 8:29 PM

So how do we do that?

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“i agree with Blake”

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

Kenna James · 8:29 PM

How do we accept someone else's consideration and why?

Blake Ian · 8:29 PM

Well I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with someone else's consideration

Kenna James · 8:30 PM

really?

Kenna James · 8:30 PM

When you were growing up and your mom said...."Blake fire is dangerous, don't touch it" - you never accepted that consideration?

Blake Ian · 8:30 PM

yes that one is an example of a belief coming from someone else

Blake Ian · 8:30 PM

I just said not necessarily always from others

Blake Ian · 8:31 PM

but ok I see what you mean

Blake Ian · 8:31 PM

so let me respond to that in the interest of progressing

Kenna James · 8:31 PM

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

As children we are innocent, so we are quick to accept others considerations

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

its basically all we have

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

I know you've done a lot of work in this area of beliefs...I'm interested in discovering...

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

true

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

especially parents

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

agreed

Blake Ian · 8:32 PM

and authority figures

Kenna James · 8:32 PM

do those beliefs stay with us?

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

they SURE do Kenna

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

for most people I think they stay with us the rest of our lives

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“until we decide what we want as beliefs”

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

Right on Trey

Blake Ian · 8:33 PM

Its a pivotal moment when you start questioning your beliefs

Kenna James · 8:33 PM

Whoa!!! we already decided

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

Questioning in general is probably one of the most important tools we have

Kenna James · 8:34 PM

when you accept the consideration, agree with it you already made the decision

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

that innocent child I was just tawking about doesn't question, therefore is so susceptible to others input

Blake Ian · 8:34 PM

learning to question is key

Kenna James · 8:34 PM

A belief isn't decided upon....

Kenna James · 8:35 PM

it is a natural progression from an agreement that is held in place and you align with in order to survive in life

Kenna James · 8:36 PM

It is like saying I decided to lose a poker hand....a hand is already won or lost based on the decisions that happen along the way

Kenna James · 8:37 PM

A belief is the RESULT of ones decision to agree with something is what Im saying

Blake Ian · 8:37 PM

Im unclear about the point you are making

Blake Ian · 8:37 PM

is this in response to something I said ?

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

The belief is the decision to agree with something, not the result

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

but I think thats semantical

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

I think we are agreeing

Kenna James · 8:38 PM

I don't think it is really,

Blake Ian · 8:38 PM

Are you disagreeing with my statement about questioning?

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

But I'll accept it

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

Kenna James · 8:39 PM

about what Trey said "until we decide what we want as beliefs"

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

ahhh

Blake Ian · 8:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Helene Paradis

“Hi Everyone...”

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

Hey Helene!

Kenna James · 8:40 PM

Hi Helene! Thx for joining us

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

Well I think what Trey is saying is a good point...

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

its important

Blake Ian · 8:40 PM

I can see how you might disagree with some of the wording

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

but the point, which is the most important part, I agree with

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

it is a decision to start questioning

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

to start taking a look at your beliefs, where they come from and if they are serving you

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

questioning is not a decision

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

sure it is

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

I disagree with that statement

Blake Ian · 8:41 PM

its a decision to question or not

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

Decision means to make a choice

Kenna James · 8:41 PM

someone who is questioning is stuck in not making a choice

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

right, I choose to question my current beliefs

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

No no

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

again semantics are making you miss the point

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

take a step back

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

That's okay, but when you're questioning it means you are considering or evaluating, not deciding

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

you are mixing statements

Blake Ian · 8:42 PM

let me explain here for a second

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

I'm sorry...I've lost the plot

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

okay

Kenna James · 8:42 PM

please explain

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

You can choose to / decide to question your beliefs, meaning not just follow your currently beliefs blindly...

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

but put some effort in

Blake Ian · 8:43 PM

and go through the discomfort

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

of taking a look at seeing which beliefs are serving you well and which are causing you repeated harm or suffering or confusion

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

that in my opinion is one of the most important things we can do in all areas of life... Question

Kenna James · 8:44 PM

agreed

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

because if you were right you will find out and thats great, and if you were wrong, then you can change

Blake Ian · 8:44 PM

and thats great too

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

not questioning is dangerous

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

and its also from what I have seen, the more common way of life

Kenna James · 8:45 PM

dangerous for who?

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

for the one not questioning and anyone else involved and effected by the actions not being questioned

Blake Ian · 8:45 PM

Lets take a real life example

Kenna James · 8:45 PM

Btw - I was just tawking to your dad - he's viewing this on his IPhone...says he wish he could be here...

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

nice!

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

its a good Tawk already one of my favorites honestly

Kenna James · 8:46 PM

And that it was him that gave you the consideration that Fire was dangerous

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

Hi pop!

Blake Ian · 8:46 PM

OK - lets look at it in a corporate setting for a minute

Kenna James · 8:46 PM

Kenna James · 8:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“we accept their beliefs as ours”

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

If you have a team of people sitting at a table and nobody is questioning that the team's current set of beliefs and practices may be wrong that is dangerous

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

you also can't become completely discouraged of course by JUST looking at that

Blake Ian · 8:47 PM

but ignorance is bliss, I don't believe in

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

true bliss is taking a hard cold look, going through discomfort and then landing somewhere you can feel very grounded in

Kenna James · 8:48 PM

sure...but when you are dealing with beliefs you are relating to most people on too high a level....in corporate meetings they don't want to question such things...they want to know what needs to be done...what solution will work, etc.

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

because you know you haven't turned a blind eye out of fear of what you might find

Blake Ian · 8:48 PM

right the corp thing wasn't so much about beliefs

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

it was an analogy , I agree with what you just said

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

just the analogy to explain the danger

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

of not questioning

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

beliefs are like your own personal board room in your mind and heart

Kenna James · 8:49 PM

got it.

Blake Ian · 8:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“you can acknowledge believe you dont have to accept them”

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

absolutely Trey

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

i would say more accurately you acknowledge someone else's right to them

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

which I do, absolutely

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

the only belief I feel another human doesn't have the right to, is one which stops any other person from having their's

Kenna James · 8:50 PM

questioning is good, but over questioning can be just as dangerous.

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

Totally!

Blake Ian · 8:50 PM

agreed KJ

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

thats why I said, you can't go down the road of discouragement in a company and always sit there playing devils advocate

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

you need celebration of victories and identifying whats working

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

its a balance like everything else

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

discouragement is deadly

Blake Ian · 8:51 PM

agreed

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

because you validating the wrong behavior

Kenna James · 8:51 PM

you'll get more of it

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

Critical thinking should not be discouraging

Kenna James · 8:52 PM

you'll have a lot of dead bodies laying around when you discourage people from taking action

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

and tone is very important

Kenna James · 8:52 PM

Interesting comment Blake...

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

in doing so

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Helene Paradis

“It is possible to accept another's beliefs without making them your own.”

Blake Ian · 8:52 PM

my instinctual answer would be no Helene

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

as we have defined accepting a belief as making it your belief

Kenna James · 8:53 PM

I researched the word "critical" - this is the definition that I settled on -

Kenna James · 8:53 PM

Using communication to weaken or harm someone

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

hmmm

Blake Ian · 8:53 PM

well many times a word by itself has a different definition from when its part of a phrase

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

Critical thinking a phrase

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

Critical thinking is a way of deciding whether a claim is true, partially true, or false.

Blake Ian · 8:54 PM

using learned tools and experience

Kenna James · 8:55 PM

true - In the end it is what the word means to you or what you give it - but in an effort to communicate with others effectively - I try to learn proper definitions

Kenna James · 8:55 PM

A way of deciding for me is not in thinking at all

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

it is in action

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

the process of deciding is in consideration and evaluation

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

But true decisions come as a result of making a choice

Kenna James · 8:56 PM

imo

Kenna James · 8:57 PM

lol

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

of course decisions are making a choice

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

they are synonymous

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

their are steps towards that choice

Kenna James · 8:57 PM

agreed

Blake Ian · 8:57 PM

and a crucial one is questioning, maybe more accurately for your purposes, "taking a look at"

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

some get lost in the steps and never reach the top!

Blake Ian · 8:58 PM

which in itself is a decision

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

yes

Blake Ian · 8:58 PM

the Universe will take you deeper and deeper into infinite layers if you keep digging. There is no getting to the bottom

Kenna James · 8:58 PM

consideration I call that - it's a step many don't even reach - which is what we're tawking about I think and I agree

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

its simplicity that is divine

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

which is why we need to go to the top!

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

so agree

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

Right the top! Simplicity

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

thats why simplicity brings joy

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

quiet, peace, cleanliness

Blake Ian · 8:59 PM

these are joyful things

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

for some

Kenna James · 8:59 PM

the people who seek it

Kenna James · 9:00 PM

there are those who are not content or joyful unless there is discontent

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

hmmm well I don't know if they are joyful

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

they are satiated in some way by it

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

but I wouldn't classify it as joy

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Helene Paradis

“Isn't it about choice... ?”

Blake Ian · 9:00 PM

isn't what about choice helene?

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

Mousollini or whatever the guys name was...believe me...was joyful when he destroyed a city!

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

YES!!

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

Well I don't believe you haha

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

I disagree

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

Helene...exactly!

Kenna James · 9:01 PM

The level of choice is what brings Joy

Blake Ian · 9:01 PM

and I don't know how you would claim to know what was being felt inside a foreign mass murdering ruler's mind

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

By how they respond

Blake Ian · 9:02 PM

but I do not believe it was joy

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

If they respond with cheers and raising fists in the air - they are celebrating, enthusiastic

Kenna James · 9:02 PM

we call that Joy

Blake Ian · 9:02 PM

I dont

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

necessarily

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

I know

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

lots of insane people do that

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

and they are not joyful per say

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

You think Joy is a spiritual commodity

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

it is not

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

Does cocaine bring Joy?

Kenna James · 9:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“i would think it is dangerous for the other person who has beliefs bred into him”

Blake Ian · 9:03 PM

to those who use it

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

on the surface it would certainly appear so

Kenna James · 9:04 PM

I could be Trey, if those beliefs lead them into danger

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

Often someone who drinks alcohol all day can appear joyful

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

but I would argue they are not

Blake Ian · 9:04 PM

its artificial

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

its a mirage

Kenna James · 9:05 PM

Jovial maybe, not Joyful...lol

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

RIGHT!

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

So hitler was not joyful

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

in his murdering success

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

he was perhaps jovial

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

but not JOYful

Kenna James · 9:05 PM

Agreed...you are tawking about something deeper then an emotion, correct?

Blake Ian · 9:05 PM

people who do terrible things do not experience joy in my opinion

Kenna James · 9:06 PM

okay...I like that opinion

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

they experience something that soothes their demons for the moment

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

and it may appear with cheers and waving of fists

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

but I don't think thats joy

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

In the end its a very diseased mind

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

incapable of joy

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

leading them to those actions

Blake Ian · 9:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Helene Paradis

“It is a way of supressing”

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

CHANGING ROUTE

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Kenna - whats one belief in your life that you have changed

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

I think you are correct Blake

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Thank you, I am glad that point got across because it meant a lot

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

Good question...let me consider a moment

Kenna James · 9:07 PM

Okay, I got it.

Blake Ian · 9:07 PM

Awesome

Kenna James · 9:08 PM

the belief that I've changed is this....

Kenna James · 9:08 PM

how do I put it...looking for the right phrasing...

Blake Ian · 9:09 PM

Take your time

Kenna James · 9:10 PM

You don't have to make others wrong to be right

Kenna James · 9:10 PM

To the belief....

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Grant Beingness

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

Ok Im confused a bit

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Never give up your personal authority

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

lets just take the belief itself

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

okay

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

You don't have to make others wrong to be right

Blake Ian · 9:11 PM

That is the NEW belief I imagine

Kenna James · 9:11 PM

Yeah, I use to believe that for me to be right, someone else had to be wrong

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

so the belief you changed was that you DO

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

got it.

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

very good one

Kenna James · 9:12 PM

So I spend most of my time debating and making others wrong

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

Prob a very common one too. Though not common at all to be able to realize its a false belief

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

Ahhh

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

totally

Blake Ian · 9:12 PM

so let me stop there for a second

Kenna James · 9:12 PM

I would get nowhere

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

accept frustrated

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

this is what I was saying before. negative results

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

you were wasting a lot of time trying to make others wrong

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

yes

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

it left you frustrated

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

Yes

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

these are negative results

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

of course

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

so eventually these results became so apparent to you

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

when you make someone else wrong, you lessen the relationship

Blake Ian · 9:13 PM

that you said hey I hate these results, why am I getting them

Kenna James · 9:13 PM

negative to me means an unwillingness to experience something

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

and then through some great effort and work you identified the belief, prob figured out a bit about why you thought this

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

and then made the change

Kenna James · 9:14 PM

so my unwillingness to experience their opinion naturally pushed me away

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

Too many words

Kenna James · 9:14 PM

or them away from me...either way

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

everyone knows what negative means

Blake Ian · 9:14 PM

totally

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

well, I said that because some people think the word negative is something bad

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

or they make a moral judgement of it

Kenna James · 9:15 PM

Negative is not necessarily bad - it's just a point of view

Kenna James · 9:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“isnt that the same as acknowleging kenna”

Kenna James · 9:17 PM

I can be negative about putting my hand in a fire, because it serves my purpose

Kenna James · 9:17 PM

of not wanting to get burned

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

We really do have BAD habit of trying to define a single term and getting off track

Kenna James · 9:18 PM

LOL - yes we do

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

we can agree that your habitual behavior of trying to prove others wrong was a NEGATIVE result

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

without defining negative

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

just in general terms

Blake Ian · 9:18 PM

it was a negative result

Kenna James · 9:18 PM

In dealing with people...Absolutely...it drove them away

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

so you were not willing to accept negative results over and over (as most people are)

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

so you did something about it, and you changed your life

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and Im sure it has brought JOY to you since

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and thats outstanding

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and admirable

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Yes I did. I feel I connect with people more now on a deeper level then I did before

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

OK my turn

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Thank you

Kenna James · 9:19 PM

Yes, go ahead

Blake Ian · 9:19 PM

and you had a part in this one actually

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from trey penna

“blake great discussion”

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

Glad you are enjoying Trey and Helene!

Kenna James · 9:20 PM

And anyone else who reads this thread later!

Blake Ian · 9:20 PM

Totally

Blake Ian · 9:21 PM

So I believed that risk was inherently bad for most of the first half of my life, and that losing what you had was not worth taking a chance at getting something more

Blake Ian · 9:21 PM

even when I felt so sure that there was something more for me

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

I have completely reversed this belief, most significantly in the last few years

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

and poker lessons were part of it

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

along with many other areas of life

Kenna James · 9:22 PM

By something more...do you mean "more fulfilling?"

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

yes

Kenna James · 9:22 PM

Wow. Very cool.

Blake Ian · 9:22 PM

more chips, a better relationship, better living circumstances

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

that's great. Good for you.

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

I know you've made a lot of efforts to do that...This site being one of them!!

Kenna James · 9:23 PM

I am tawking to one of the creators of this site!! That's awesome!!!

Kenna James · 9:24 PM

I feel humbled and blessed.

Blake Ian · 9:24 PM

Kenna James · 9:24 PM

So....For those that come for the title of this Tawk, let me get us back on topic and complete something here, okay?

Blake Ian · 9:25 PM

yup

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Let me share a view point with you...

Blake Ian · 9:25 PM

then I must go meditate... its getting late

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Beliefs are created when we agree and align ourselves to a consideration.

Kenna James · 9:25 PM

Those considerations, work their way into how we feel and act.

Kenna James · 9:26 PM

They then contribute to creating the reality we experience.

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Example....A person afraid of tawking to people...is going to live a life of fear of being with people...etc.

Blake Ian · 9:27 PM

Right they believe that tawking to someone will bring them harm

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

or tawking to them....rather. So they will sit in a forum perhaps, but not Tawk.

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Yes!!

Blake Ian · 9:27 PM

its a false belief based on past experience

Kenna James · 9:27 PM

Or more likely...it did in the past and so made the consideration "If I tawk to people I'll get hurt"

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

one REALLY strong point that I realized too during my work on beliefs is...

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

every situation is unique

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

this person is NOT that person from the past

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

For some it is...for most it is not

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

this situation is NOT that situation

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

Yes!!!, but most don't operate like that

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

thats why when we yelling at someone, we are usually yelling at someone in our past not the person in front of us

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

most operate off of their past considerations as a way to survive

Blake Ian · 9:28 PM

Check this out!

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

exactly!!

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

http://digitalbuddhist.com/page/5

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

In that we are contributing and creating our reality.

Kenna James · 9:29 PM

Ok.

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

actually that will work for today, but in the future that won't work anymore so use this..

Blake Ian · 9:29 PM

.com/post/64952431716/you-are-this-universe-and-youre-creating-it-at

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

Ahh

Kenna James · 9:30 PM

Yes, I checked this out last night and shared it with my sister. Great link.

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

http://digitalbuddhist.com/post/64952431716/you-are-this-universe-and-youre-creating-it-at

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

ok THAT one haha

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

Lets end on that

Blake Ian · 9:30 PM

people can go watch that vid

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

So now we've come full circle. We started with belief and creating them and then went on a journey of discussion and then came back to the beginning. Awesome!

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

the ripples the boat makes in the water are there for us to look back and see where we have been... but they are not steering the boat...

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

That's perfect way to end. With Alan Watts. Someone you and I both align and agree with in his approach to life.

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

Totally. thanks so much KJ great Tawk!

Kenna James · 9:31 PM

I agree!

Blake Ian · 9:31 PM

come back next week and teach us about Poker

Kenna James · 9:32 PM

You got it!

Blake Ian · 9:32 PM

Have a good night. Happy Halloween!

Kenna James · 9:32 PM

Peace my friend.

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trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:20 PM★ Spotlighted

hey

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:21 PM★ Spotlighted

got it my challenge is to get you off topic

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:24 PM

why s spiritualcientific why not

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:24 PM

why scienctific why not spiritual

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:26 PM★ Spotlighted

i agree with Kenna is an acceptance

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:27 PM

i kept out true

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:29 PM

yes

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:29 PM★ Spotlighted

i agree with Blake

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:32 PM★ Spotlighted

we accept their beliefs as ours

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:33 PM★ Spotlighted

until we decide what we want as beliefs

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:33 PM

then it takes a lifetime to break those beliefs

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:34 PM

or break the ones we choose to

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 8:39 PM★ Spotlighted

Hi Everyone...

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:40 PM

it should always be your decision

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:40 PM

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 8:41 PM

Did I miss anything good ? And Thanks so much for the invite !

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:41 PM

it should be your determination

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:42 PM

we grow up with other peoples agreements that turn into beliefs

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:43 PM

it takes effort to break your beliefs

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:44 PM

yes its your determination

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:45 PM

who is it dangerous for

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:46 PM★ Spotlighted

i would think it is dangerous for the other person who has beliefs bred into him

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:47 PM★ Spotlighted

you can acknowledge believe you dont have to accept them

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:48 PM

other peoples believes i mean

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:49 PM

there also role you play in the corporate world

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:50 PM

right kenna

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 8:51 PM★ Spotlighted

It is possible to accept another's beliefs without making them your own.

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:52 PM

ooch

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 8:53 PM

I'm listening...

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 8:55 PM

communication is for the othe person

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:00 PM★ Spotlighted

Isn't it about choice... ?

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:01 PM

Joy

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:01 PM

Exactly

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:02 PM

Perhaps that is what brings them joy...

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:03 PM

its a human beig experience

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:03 PM

Perhaps, that is what goes on in an insane persons mind. Is it not about perspective ?

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:05 PM★ Spotlighted

It is a way of supressing

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:09 PM

im going to call time on you

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:09 PM

clock please

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:09 PM

poker term

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:10 PM

take your time kenna

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:10 PM★ Spotlighted

blake great discussion

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:11 PM★ Spotlighted

isnt that the same as acknowleging kenna

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:16 PM

granting beiness

Helene ParadisOct 31, 2013, 9:24 PM

I Enjoyed it Very Much & will try not to be late next time. Being on Topic usually helps ! Many Thanks for the Invite though & Food for Thought is Good ! Take - Care...

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:28 PM

every situation is a new experience

trey pennaOct 31, 2013, 9:28 PM

restem charge