Eleanor Goldfield

Host

Independence Day from Corporate Rule

Jul 1, 2014·3,542 visitors

Lee Camp

Cohost

Stage· 263 messages

Jul 1, 2014

Join activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp as they discuss the need to actualize a new independence day - from corporate rule, and how to achieve this!

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey Tawkers, Claritians, Redactors, Rooftop Revolutionaries - whoever you may be! Welcome! Let's celebrate INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone!

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Say hi to my amazing co-host, Eleanor.

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Please tell people you're here! Tell them to come! Tell them their input is desperately needed!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Say hi to the RT comedy newshound Lee :)

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Post it on facebook, twitter, and ChristianFinger.com

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“yes yes i've advertised till the cows came home and drank all my beer!”

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Seeing as July 4th is almost here (And in the US that means we celebrate by blowing things up) we decided this was a good time to talk about INDEPENDENCE from corporate rule.

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“bad luck in the soccer game btw...”

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Potts

“"its more like: The top 1% own and control about 43% of the nation's wealth, while the bottom 50% own and control only about 2%."”

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“hello friends”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Sorry - my internet froze for a minute...

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

It also happens that we are only one day removed from the Supreme Court's decision that corporations and companies are YET AGAIN people and therefore apparently have the right to force their religion on people.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

It's yet another example of how all issues tie back into corporate rule.

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Citizens United!!!”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Pitchforksstory: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.U7M-EHbyQZM”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

When everything we do, socially and politically can be traced back to the corrupting influence of money in politics...yeah, time to shift that power

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

Kimba - you nailed it. We're covering this story on this week's Redacted Tonight.

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

The article is a billionaire talking about his prediction that the pitchforks are indeed coming.

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“where do corporations get buried? oh that's right, they dont die”

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Good!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

There's some pitchfork action happening for the Rolling Rebellion - in NYC I believe as well as a few other places

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

rollingrebellion.org

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Eleanor - Money in politics doesn't matter to me because I only care about gay marriage and gun rights. <soft ball pitched>

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

check it out after the tawk - some great events planned

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

softball :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Well, Lee - here's an article for you: http://www.occupy.com/article/time-rebellion-all-issues-lead-corrupting-influence-money-politics

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

No, it was a soft.... ball that I pitched.

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“feel free to collaborate http://bit.ly/powercorp”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

good save

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I was going to email him and ask him if he wanted to hire me as a consultant to tell him exactly when the pitchforks would be showing up! Instead I just followed him on twitter.”

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“soft balls are better than soft bats”

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

Just don't shave your softballs.

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“when do we march to washington with guillotines?”

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

I work 3 blocks from the white house, so that's an easy commute.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@phil - there may be something like that happening for rolling rebellion as well :)

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“..before these fucking psychopaths turn this planet into a desert”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“first thing everyone can do - and Lee has said this before - stop buying so much shit!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

@Lucy - good call.

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Could voting with your wallet ever be an effective control for corporate rule? Or are we past that time? Or is it impossible to get enough people involved?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“i'm not sure there is any way to stop the destruction of the planet at this point.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

There are a lot of ways to curb the destruction

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

One of those ways is voting with your wallet

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“there are too many people who perpetuate the debt lifestyle buying all the crap they dont need with money they dont have”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

So, should we just throw up our hands and say fuck it?

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

El - What are your favorite three?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Music, writing and live events

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Lee?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“to me it is as simple as this; if corruption goes to the very roots of our system, then we need to change things up; regrow, rebuild...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Rachel - rootstrikers

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I decided not to fuck it, and have begun churning out a new crowdfunding startup to fund projects for the new paradigm.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

crowdfunding is a great activist platform.

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“open source everything we can too!”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“If there is to be a forced change of policy it must be peaceful, and the best hope is an organized economic shift.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

It's something Lessig is tapping into and raising money for the "People's PAC" in an effort to get people elected into congress who actually give a shit about their constituents below the top 1%

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“But the mind control is so deeply rooted, not sure if we can wake up enough people for critical mass saturation. Still gotta try though”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Honestly crowdsourcing and crowdfunding are the two things that the corporatocracy have not figured out how to control or what to do with.

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - wish more people knew about that. great idea”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

Man, if there were just lobbyists for the people...

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“we don't need everyone, just 6%. Right Lee?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

@Lee - there are!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

we're just poor

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

Mike - that's true. Studies have shown that effective revolutions and major changes have only taken 6% of the population

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“independence from corporate rule....pffttttt aint no money in that shit”

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Hmm, maybe we should pay people to fight for their independence! (That was sarcasm)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

@Phil - a lot of movements are tapping into what's already there - people pissed off and tired of the status quo. It's all about how you approach it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

Money in politics poisons everything - from fracking to education. Find the issue that speaks to your local community then build from there

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we need more lawyers fighting the good fight too”

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“lee...we know you are serious but waiting to see our reaction”

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@El - Right, I've been thinking about that for years”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris McCamic

“So many of us are working on projects that challenge the status quo; I feel like the next few years will be a period of learning how to resonate with each other; coordinate it without letting it get too bureaucratic.”

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“I think we can't build sustainable movement until we have independent information networks, Facebook has us in it's pocket.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

@Chris - that's a huge point. It's damn difficult to get a national movement to be cohesive and well pointed. It's not like the original American Revolution with only 13 damn colonies

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

Steven - true. You know there are some opensource, non-profit activist versions of facebook but they haven't taken off yet. They seem rather small.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Steven - with technology, people will bitch about the status quo but continue to use it until something better comes along

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“chat window cant really convey to you rachel that i was kidding”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

I see that with the music and film industries. People bitch constantly about Apple and Avid but continue to use their products - why? Because there's nothing else as good.

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Lucy: I want to make that happen for a million little projects.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

@Lucy - i think there are and will be a lot of projects

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I don't think it's possible for one singular project to change the world...well, except for nuclear war

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

There are 23 corporate lobbyists for every congressperson

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

and congress spends about 3/4 of their day fundraising

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

The perfect hypocrisy - this week on Redacted tonight we are doing a fake commercial talking about Facebook's control in our lives, but then at the end of the episode I will of course mention our facebook page - because I don't know where else to

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

send people.

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Tories just raised £11 billion for their next election..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

It's a catch-22. It's that idea that you have to work within the system in order to change it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

I mean, hell - I'm sitting in a cafe with my apple computer

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

but i'd make the establishment much happier if i dropped all this to go live in a tree

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“I would like to see activism merge independent technology, economic solidarity and news. - easier said than done.”

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“the problem with lobby groups running shit is nothing ever really gets done for the good of the people ....solution drown all lobbyists”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Steven - a lot of fundraising campaigns and independent news outlets do that. It's one of the reasons why net neutrality is so damn important

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I used to believe that catch-22, now I am thinking the only true innovators had to work outside out some sort of existing system, basically all good things have come from people choosing to exist outside these systems”

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Yeah net neutrality is crucial - which is part of the reason they're going after it.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris McCamic

“I've given up on our conventional political process. Anything good we get out of it at this point will because we took initiative ourselves and forced them to run to the front of the crowd and yell "follow me" to still look like they're driving.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

yes, and no, Rachel. MLK comes to mind as one who lived within the system but worked hard to change it.

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“do shit that will make the big corps take notice. dont buy the brand products,buy local stuff,plant your own food,make your own clothes etc”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

I think what's important is to use the system to your advantage as much as you can - i.e. the internet while not bowing to the ideologies and crooked laws of the status quo

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i guess you gotta be IN the system to figure out how to get rid of it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yeah that was a different time thouge and bad people deserve to be stood up toh and in the end still had his life end, but I agree he is one of the most courageous people to live and he stood up as should we all”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

I realize we might be hitting this home too much but it's pretty crazy that we sit here and celebrate independence while giving away all our independence to the anonymous inverted totalitarianism of corporate rule.

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“The purpose of activism isnt to dance around the conrol system with as much dignity as possible. It is to destroy those systems.- cool lady forgot her name”

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“independent news seems atomised though, on their network, we need our own framework”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

@Rachel, different time but today we have even more tools "inside" the system with which to wage our revolution, so to speak

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Steve - you should get your news from Redacted Tonight! ((pathetic plug for own show))

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“internet porn just doesnt have the same mystic draw it once had .....i mean can you cocentrate on the job in hand {sorry cheap pun} knowing that the nsa is watching you”

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Wow, Barry, a real stretch on that one. (pun not intended)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i really hope there are more whislteblowers around,to tell us whats going on.”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“As for that didn't protecting whistleblowers from persecution used to be a thing? I thought it did?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

Lee - the irony will be lost on many, I'm afraid. But, on the bright side, many people are rising to the occasion.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Rachel - yes, it did. Obama has used the espionage act to prosecute more than all presidents before him combined.

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“I do Lee, but off Youtube who extract surplus and dictate reach through design”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Yeah, Steven, unfortunately the two places that my "communities" of viewers have developed are Facebook and Youtube

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“sadly,it doesnt matter what the president or prime minister says before they are elected. they all turn out the same way. ruled over by big money and big corps”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

Our current system isn't as obvious as way back in 1776. There aren't a bunch of assholes in red coats walking onto our property and causing trouble. People can still watch Fox news or Nascar and think that we're ok, minus the gays and abortion

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“and now Obama can find money to go and fight a "war" but he cant find the money to help those in Detroit? Or the homeless in new york? fuck him!”

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

@El - Yep, we're enslaved in a much better way now. The best kind of slave is the one that doesn't realize they're enslaved.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

The connection between the rule of the British and the rule of the oligarch is lost in a fray of corporate media and fluff

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“viewing on Youtube and Facebook are fine, but we should be building networks for long term, collaboratively, globally”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Yeah, what is THAT about Lake Michigan being corporatized?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Well, If you assume that everybody tawking now is just as concerned and fucking pissed off as our two lovely co-host, then you can see the power that we all have. How we use that power is significant.”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Our system ALWAYS moves toward profit, never towards a better world. The only time we end up with a better world is as a happy side effect.

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“i see there was a guy who got 90 days for collecting rain water on his own land”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Earth resources belong to all people on the planet, not just those with the land deeds.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Johanthonfall - absolutely.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Potts

“I think we seriously need something to focus, unite and organize on, like a new Bill of Human Rights, which would include guaranteed basic goods and services to everyone, UBI, Free Quality Higher Education, Free Housing, Universal Healthcare, etc.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Kevin - one of the ways towards that concept is a 28th amendment.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

There are initiatives in over 40 states to push for a 28th amendment. That's pretty fucking bad ass

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I think when people start recognizing their sovereignty, ie: wake up, we're going to be in for a heckuva ride.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

And I'm not usually so optimistic

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

By the way, for those of you who think we can't do amendments anymore - the last one was in the 90's and it had to do with congressional pay. So we CAN still amend the constitution.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

We're actually the first generation NOT to pass an amendment

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“rain water comes from the sky...you know were jesus lives...so he owns it and until i get a bill from him the corporations can get stuffed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

so yeah, we need to get on that

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

Fuck Jesus for holding all that water over our heads and forcing us to beg for it!

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jo Shuave

“what is this 28th amendment proposing or has it not been written yet?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

@Jo - there is various verbiage but it hasn't been officially written since it's not up for debate yet

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

however, the basic idea is this:

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Can our amendment be FREE FROZEN YOGURT! (And then we'll work on the money in politics thing)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

corporations are not people and money is not speech

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“eleanor try telling that to a million dollars”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

I'm not trying Barry. I am :)

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“what about free porn, pizza and beer?”

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“yoe wont be saying that when your gardens on fire lee”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

Is "your garden's on fire" a euphemism for an STD?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

that's "bush" Lee

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

Ohhhhh

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Porn is gross. But I'll have beer and pizza please.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I really wish I knew what happens to greedy people when they die, do they live an eternity with a gold coin just barely out of their reach? I mean these people should NOT be running anything, let alone a country!”

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

They turn back into star dust like all the rest of us. So we'll have to make sure to give them hell before they die.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

Good question Rachel. What's funny is that a lot of these people believe in God...yet in the Bible it says that a rich man has about as much chance getting into heaven as a camel does through the eye of a needle

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Just want to mention one more time - can you tell people to join us here? Just post on your bulletin board system.

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Too many people don't speak up and act because they are worried about their stupid reputations...what others think about them.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

And if you don't believe in an after-life then you believe that we're here only for this one and so are your kids and when it's over, it's over. No heaven to save you from the sick, twisted earth you ruined...so you'd be nicer you'd think...but hell,

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

logic left that sociopathic 1% a while ago

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

@Johnathon - Yeah, I love people who tell you to not be political because it could upset people. But - as most of you have heard me say - silence is political. It's defense of the status quo.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@john thats another form of mind control. Self policing prisoners in the cage-less asylum”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

silence is complicity

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“It is a cop out to say "they will get theirs on the other side. We have one chance and one life to change our world, and nobody ever changed anything from "the other side"”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@Lucy that's what I don't get, I just don't understand what they think the end result will be; yay! cancer and a slow death for everyone, even me... but I have these coins... yay!”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

I wish there was a way to measure whether people do more harm because they believe there's an afterlife or would do more harm if they believed there wasn't.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Lee :: That's a job for Survey Monkey!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

Hitchens talks about that

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Ha. people lie.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

That "ha" was not for Hitchens.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“at what point can we move from the brainstorming phase to the action phase?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

Basically if your morals only come from either a promise of damnation and torture or of ever-lasting life, if you can't be a good person just b/c it has its own rewards, then you're not actually a good person

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Alright, Ben, you just volunteered. Let me know where you need a hand.

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“do a side by side comparison. Do atheists commit murder more often then say Christians.”

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Mike - I've only committed two, but I don't know if that's the norm or not.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“In these times, silence and fence sitting ain't cutting it and is shameful, demonic behavior.”

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

El - Which groups would you recommend people join to help make these amendments happen?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

Move to Amend is a good one

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

Money Out/Voters In

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

check out rollingrebellion.org to see what they have going on july 5th-12th across the country

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

they're a faction of backbone campaign

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

rootstrikers

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

check out lessig's May Day PAC

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Common Cause, PIRG, Public Citizen, Popular Resistance

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

that should keep you busy for a bit :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

These organizations are doing a lot of great work - Money Out Voters In is responsible for legislation in CA calling for a constitutional convention AND an overturning of citizens united

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“I have seen ,Move to amend ,online. Is money out voters in a website?”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

By the way, we can now ALL have a plugin on our home computers that shows you where politicians got there money from. it's free. It took me three clicks to install. http://www.dailydot.com/politics/greenhouse-browser-plugin-political-donations/

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

You just put your cursor over a politician's name and it shows where their money comes from

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

@Mike - MOVI has a couple of websites. We're in the process of combining and updating them but for now, here's one: http://www.moneyoutvotersin.org/

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“did you say curser...or dagger”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

Just goes to show you we can create platforms like facebook but geared towards a shifted paradigm. if a 16 year old made that plug-in...

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“http://summonthensa.com/ if you wanna catch you some of them pesky nsa agents”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Another thing people need in order to gain corporate independence (and I don't need to tell this to most of you) is to break the control of advertising in their lives. Take in fewer ads, decrease your screen time, realize store manipulation, etc.

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Potts

“Lucy, I think you're spot on, not enough people even care and I'm afraid it may have to get way worse before enough people wake up and unite.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

And support or create your own alternative ads!

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“TURN OFF THE FRAKKING TV!”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

Did you guys see we made a McDonald's advertisement with the ACTUAL ingredients - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euyjZmrWyWg

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Palmer

“people are distracted more than ever by short term drama and meaningless activity. in slowing down to think and plan long term, we encourage others to do the same.”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

““Watching television is like taking black spray paint to your third eye.””

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

Now that I've trashed TV, don't forget to watch MY TV SHOW!

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Lee :: I did see the beginning - I couldn't bring myself to listen to it.”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Potts

“Yes! lol loved the McDonald's ad Lee, and that guy cracks me up lol”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

Kimba - But it's meant to be funny (even though it's true)

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

I'm fine with being a hypocrite as long as I get to attack all the corporate assholes.

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@Lee- Exactly. Clean up our info stream, start a website to reach masses, steal corpo products on the reg, graffiti (stencils for efficiency), dont buy shit you dont need, research, hijack ads buy modifying them for truth etc.”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

I highly recommend people keep hijacking ads.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

I can't find the site but there was an awesome wave of artists in england that replaced bus stop ads with activist ads

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

fucking brilliant

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Brandalists changed 365 bus stop ads to their own art over the course of two days across all of the UK. Pretty impressive.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“Tuesday and sunday nights at 330AM is primetime for ad modifying when the pigs change shifts”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

Ah, there it is - thank you Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

http://www.brandalism.org.uk/

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

And they give you instructions on how to DIY

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Eleanor, I want to replace all the billboards in California with photos of the landscapes they are obstructing.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

I'm all for it, Kimba

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

http://www.brandalism.org.uk/the-project

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

In LA, there are quite a few street artists that add their own flare to billboards - covering up that drivel with socio-political commentary

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“i would have thought that eleanor and lee would have pr people/minions to do this kinda interaction”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Barry - jesus, wouldn't that be nice

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“or you could do some pranktavism.bit like this - http://youtu.be/DOQtEb5zhxc”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

I have minions but they're currently doing my laundry

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Mine are rubbing my feet.

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

Wait, minions are tiny onions, right?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

Ha. Did foot onions bug you?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ick feet.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“pure randomness never hurts either to fight against the status quo, do things out of the norm”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

It makes me think of bunions which yes, does irk me

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

True rachel

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

That's butt onions, right?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

Lee...I'm trying to eat over here

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Man, normally we get off the rails earlier in the tawk. This time we waited until the end.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“So what are we taking away from this talk? Action items?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

Thank you Kimba - back on track

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Thanks Kimba for trying to get us back

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

Absolutely. As I mentioned above, there are lots of organizations that you can contact or be a part of.

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Kimba - I think we listed a ton of action items, but there are plenty more.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

Backbone Campaign has a great list of toolkits including an activist toolkit on how to start your own actions, events, house parties, marches, etc

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“i get a ton of fresh free organic produce from market of choice veggie "trash" after 12PM”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“talk to people about our need again for independence on independence day? :)”

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

By the way, simply living lives differently does take some power away. Doing things like using zip car instead of owning three cars or having a tool share rather than everyone buying a buzz saw they use once every 5 years.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

@Rachel - yes!

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I know, but you see, I'm very corporate, and need to leave the talk with a bullet list ...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

I will be "that person" this 4th of July

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

Kimba, what are the action items you want people to know about?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

and i can bet it'll just get more intense the more wine i have

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“keep posting about what you believe in. dont matter if you dont get any replys,reposts. its getting it out there into there social network”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I live in my car and use the commons for everything.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

“dont forget what 4th july is all about ...and no it aint just an awesome bbq”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“haha! which is your right as an American right Eleanor? :) p.s. I am the same way... not much fun at bbq's lol!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@El Lets get wined up and graff the town red”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

@Rachel and Phil - we

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

we'll just have to host our own damn BBQ

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

It does feel like the storm clouds are gathering. Keep fighting everyone. Don't get too discouraged.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

revolutionary style :)

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

by the way, my show Redacted Tonight airs on Thursday this week instead of Friday on RT America. You can also watch it on YouTube and at LeeCamp.net. We'll be talking about a lot of important shit.

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

@RedactedTonight on Twitter

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - that cos of 4th july?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

Thanks so much everyone for attending! Let us know how you celebrate your 4th - or don't celebrate :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Watch Lee's show, check me out at artkillingapathy.com and the band at rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

And remember we do this every Tuesday at 7pm ET

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

A new topic every week!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Oh, and let us know what subjects you'd like us to tackle - don't be shy!

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Oh, and you're welcome to keep chatting with each other.

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“shit where has the time gone. great tawk as always guys :-)”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“fucking love the show Lee btw. you is a bona fida star.......couldnt nab ya for $20? :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Great tawk Eleanor and Lee... and audience! :)”

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Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 10:48 PM

Jail the buggers! after all corporations are people,dont ya know.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:53 PM

Hello Eleanor! What's up Lee! Here's my recent related Facebook post, just to throw in my thoughts on the subject here.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:56 PM

Quote: Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them." -Assata Shakur

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:57 PM

Exactly, because if your oppressors gave a shit about your freedom, then they wouldn't be oppressing you in the first place.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:57 PM

It takes an inhumane "I don't give a fuck about you" type of person to oppress people, and I don't think we should even waste our time anymore trying to beg or demand that they stop, because it's obvious that shit ain't happening.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:58 PM

We Must Unite Together To Shut Them Down And Make Them Stop. When it comes to the Freedom and Basic Human Rights of ALL PEOPLE, our oppressors must no longer be given a choice in the matter, what "they want" must become irrelevant.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 10:58 PM

Did everyone read the "Pitchforks"article on Politico a few days ago?

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:58 PM

And there is no legitimate reason for such grand scale oppression and depravity to continue to be tolerated by us any longer.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:58 PM

When enough of us unite together in our common interests we can accomplish anything. The prize is always there just waiting on us to organize and make it happen.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 10:59 PM

Fuck NIKE, but seriously, ALL we have to do is "Just Do It!". nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOcOBjB3uU

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 10:59 PM

Hey there awesome hosts Lee and Eleanor!!

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:00 PM

First!

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:00 PM★ Spotlighted

hello friends

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:00 PM

Hi Kimba, yes I did, it's a great article. however the Wealth Gap "income shared" percentage comparison deceptively skews how bad it really is.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:00 PM

@Lee - thought that said charlatans....

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

yes yes i've advertised till the cows came home and drank all my beer!

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

"its more like: The top 1% own and control about 43% of the nation's wealth, while the bottom 50% own and control only about 2%."

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

bad luck in the soccer game btw...

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:02 PM

well,why dont you do what you did to get independence from us brits? that worked for ya

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

Pitchforksstory: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.U7M-EHbyQZM

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

Citizens United!!!

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:03 PM

If copse-orations are people then they can die!

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

where do corporations get buried? oh that's right, they dont die

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Good!

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:04 PM

about fucking time!! (scuse language!)

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:04 PM

Another corporate ruling by the supreme corporate court. I am really tired of those corporate fuckers in their stupid robes.

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM

some say the ruling is in favor of liberty

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM

did you see the people in hong kong protesting today? damn awesome!

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

feel free to collaborate http://bit.ly/powercorp

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM

@Lee - water gun?

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

I was going to email him and ask him if he wanted to hire me as a consultant to tell him exactly when the pitchforks would be showing up! Instead I just followed him on twitter.

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

soft balls are better than soft bats

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

when do we march to washington with guillotines?

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:06 PM

men and soft balls...yup. this is why i s love tawks with these two

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:06 PM

phil: we can march with those little cigar snipper thingies ...

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

..before these fucking psychopaths turn this planet into a desert

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:06 PM

LOL kimba

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

first thing everyone can do - and Lee has said this before - stop buying so much shit!

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM

@kimba haha perfect

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM

guillotines...not very american...in fact thats darn french talk

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM

I bet a lot of them snipping at the same time would make an awesome sound.

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

i'm not sure there is any way to stop the destruction of the planet at this point.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:07 PM

hit the fu**ers where it hurts. it'll make em poop their pants...

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:08 PM

in the pocket lucy

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:08 PM

the corporate elite are already voting with their wallet,so yes

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

there are too many people who perpetuate the debt lifestyle buying all the crap they dont need with money they dont have

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:08 PM

i noticed the other day, there are no old cars on the road anymore. every car is less than 5 years old

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

money that doesnt REALLY exist.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

lucy..is that a cat beside you

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

no, we need bigger ammo

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

bigger ideas

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

@Eleanor - fuck no!! damn those that do too

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

to me it is as simple as this; if corruption goes to the very roots of our system, then we need to change things up; regrow, rebuild...

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

Should we keep trying to appeal to the "moral sense" of our oppressors? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=303014816525255&set=a.220606854766052.1073741828.100004502171907&type=1&theater

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

some older cars are of better making than some crap new cars

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM

Cant afford to buy anything, barely buy food jesusfuck. Age of demons rolls on. All out overthrow is our last bet

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

I decided not to fuck it, and have begun churning out a new crowdfunding startup to fund projects for the new paradigm.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM

nice Kimba

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM

thanks Eleanor! :)

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM

It's kinda like, the only way we are going to fix things is to bypass the structure that is in place.

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

If there is to be a forced change of policy it must be peaceful, and the best hope is an organized economic shift.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM

oldschool is better

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

open source everything we can too!

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

But the mind control is so deeply rooted, not sure if we can wake up enough people for critical mass saturation. Still gotta try though

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:11 PM

document your work, research etc if you are an "important" person and share this with others this is how we advance and progress

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - wish more people knew about that. great idea

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:11 PM

I think government needs to be bypassed - let them all sit there making policies while we go out and create something awesome.

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM

Wolf-PAC is coming too!

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

we don't need everyone, just 6%. Right Lee?

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM

for free Kimba ;)

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM

thats what we the 99% are there for

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM

Rachel: What is for free? Awesomeness?

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM

we are all lobbyists

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

independence from corporate rule....pffttttt aint no money in that shit

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:13 PM

I want humanity to get to a point where money is not a thing, or at least not an issue.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:13 PM

does money really bring you happiness? sure for a while,but in the long term?

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:13 PM

i think we should free ourselves from the idea of money and currency all together, it just perpetuates this idea that the American people are children and must be rewarded as such, are we really saying we need shiny objects to advance in society?

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:13 PM

in order to understand where we are, you need to learn how we got here. corporations have been gaining power for hundreds of years

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

lee...we know you are serious but waiting to see our reaction

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

we need more lawyers fighting the good fight too

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

@El - Right, I've been thinking about that for years

Chris McCamicJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

So many of us are working on projects that challenge the status quo; I feel like the next few years will be a period of learning how to resonate with each other; coordinate it without letting it get too bureaucratic.

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

I think we can't build sustainable movement until we have independent information networks, Facebook has us in it's pocket.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:14 PM

people need to realise that money is just bits of paper IOU's and are worthless. the banks/FED make money from thin air pass it around like its the next best thing since sliced bread.

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:15 PM

We name the major corporate offenders. Pick one. Say , as for me I will not do business with them , but I am not advocating that you do the same (wink wink) to avoid lawsuits

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:15 PM

lawyer fighting for whats right ..rachel have you been smoking drain cleaner

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:16 PM

Eleanor - what are you talking about - there was a whole ocean to contend with as well.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:16 PM

will there ever be a day when there will be one crowd source for one project that will change the world? you think that could happen?

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

chat window cant really convey to you rachel that i was kidding

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:16 PM

@Barry I know ;) I just didn't have a good response it it sad how many corrupt people are within our government and system

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

Lucy: I want to make that happen for a million little projects.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:17 PM

we may have to take it into our hands to get a legal degree, but then you are indebted to the system anyway... :p

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:17 PM

nobody ever boycotts cool shit

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:17 PM

a million revolutions can change the world. it don't take much.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:18 PM

I think we need to stop focusing on government ...

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

Tories just raised £11 billion for their next election..

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:18 PM

3/4 of their day fundraising and 2/3 of their time on vacation. they work hard

Chris McCamicJul 1, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

I've given up on our conventional political process. Anything good we get out of it at this point will because we took initiative ourselves and forced them to run to the front of the crowd and yell "follow me" to still look like they're driving.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:19 PM

and yet they cant find the money to feed the poor or help the kids that are homeless. bastards

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

I would like to see activism merge independent technology, economic solidarity and news. - easier said than done.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

the problem with lobby groups running shit is nothing ever really gets done for the good of the people ....solution drown all lobbyists

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:20 PM

that would be a good idea Steven

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

I used to believe that catch-22, now I am thinking the only true innovators had to work outside out some sort of existing system, basically all good things have come from people choosing to exist outside these systems

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

do shit that will make the big corps take notice. dont buy the brand products,buy local stuff,plant your own food,make your own clothes etc

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

i guess you gotta be IN the system to figure out how to get rid of it

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

yeah that was a different time thouge and bad people deserve to be stood up toh and in the end still had his life end, but I agree he is one of the most courageous people to live and he stood up as should we all

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

The purpose of activism isnt to dance around the conrol system with as much dignity as possible. It is to destroy those systems.- cool lady forgot her name

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM

anything and everything we do for good is important, no matter how big or small.. it is still worth doing :)

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

independent news seems atomised though, on their network, we need our own framework

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM

or build a better one to make the old one obsolete like bucky Fuller said

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

internet porn just doesnt have the same mystic draw it once had .....i mean can you cocentrate on the job in hand {sorry cheap pun} knowing that the nsa is watching you

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:24 PM

well I'm all for any good change! :)

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

i really hope there are more whislteblowers around,to tell us whats going on.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

As for that didn't protecting whistleblowers from persecution used to be a thing? I thought it did?

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:25 PM

yes lucy...more whistleblowers to brand traitors

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

I do Lee, but off Youtube who extract surplus and dictate reach through design

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:26 PM

For sure there are sleeper cells on the inside waiting to go POP

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

sadly,it doesnt matter what the president or prime minister says before they are elected. they all turn out the same way. ruled over by big money and big corps

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:27 PM

sorry lee i'm an oldschool typist one finger at a time ..i must let you know to which comment i am responding

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:27 PM

A tea party leader committed suicide. Accused of conspiring to take someone's pic without permission. There is Irony. The NSA never asks. And I am sure they have a handful of all of us.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

and now Obama can find money to go and fight a "war" but he cant find the money to help those in Detroit? Or the homeless in new york? fuck him!

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

viewing on Youtube and Facebook are fine, but we should be building networks for long term, collaboratively, globally

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:28 PM

em thanks for branding me stupid eleanor

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:28 PM

and then there is Kerry and his Pimp My Middle East tour that he is on. yeah like thats gonna work

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Yeah, what is THAT about Lake Michigan being corporatized?

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Earth resources belong to all people on the planet, not just those with the land deeds.

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

Well, If you assume that everybody tawking now is just as concerned and fucking pissed off as our two lovely co-host, then you can see the power that we all have. How we use that power is significant.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

i see there was a guy who got 90 days for collecting rain water on his own land

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:29 PM

I agree with steve. And we may have to pick something fairly specific to begin with. To see if we can make a shift in this corporate paradigm

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:30 PM

getting the message out there is a way to make it grow. even if some people dont want to listen, doesnt matter,there will be some who do.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

I think we seriously need something to focus, unite and organize on, like a new Bill of Human Rights, which would include guaranteed basic goods and services to everyone, UBI, Free Quality Higher Education, Free Housing, Universal Healthcare, etc.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

I think when people start recognizing their sovereignty, ie: wake up, we're going to be in for a heckuva ride.

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:31 PM

Lets start a 'quit funding psychopaths' campaign or 'quit paying federal taxes permanently' day Murder money project shake and wake

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:31 PM

Kevin: also good food, good water and a living wage.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

rain water comes from the sky...you know were jesus lives...so he owns it and until i get a bill from him the corporations can get stuffed

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:31 PM

I agree Kevin, Bill of Human Rights! I think it is ridiculous human rights mean next to null in our world...

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:32 PM

prisoned for collecting rain water? what the hell did the cave men do for drinking water? buy 6 bottles own the local shop?

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:32 PM

I am sure I am not the only one with stupid, selfish, toxic & greedy family members.

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:32 PM

Educate everyone on Natural Law Principles would be ideal

Jo ShuaveJul 1, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

what is this 28th amendment proposing or has it not been written yet?

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:33 PM

lol, around here we've been begging for the rain to stop :)

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

yoe wont be saying that when your gardens on fire lee

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:33 PM

you

Jo ShuaveJul 1, 2014, 11:33 PM

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:34 PM

Yes! Free Frozen Yogurt For All Peoples!

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

eleanor try telling that to a million dollars

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

what about free porn, pizza and beer?

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

Porn is gross. But I'll have beer and pizza please.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM

he dont care ...he is a million dollars muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM

BURNING BUSH!!!

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

I really wish I knew what happens to greedy people when they die, do they live an eternity with a gold coin just barely out of their reach? I mean these people should NOT be running anything, let alone a country!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM

Wow, that gives a whole new meaning to that Moses story ...

Jo ShuaveJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM

What about policy barring people who held high ranking positions in multinational corporations from being elected to office?

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:35 PM

im not judging lee what you put your winkie into is you're own business

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:36 PM

they are religious,greedy people Rachel. even more frightening

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

Too many people don't speak up and act because they are worried about their stupid reputations...what others think about them.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:36 PM

Yeah, we all get the same treatment when we drop body ... they get kudos for playing their part ...

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:37 PM

being rich does not mean your have enough money tho.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:37 PM

so rich guys are going to hell eleanor ...so the motto is get money get to hell

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

@john thats another form of mind control. Self policing prisoners in the cage-less asylum

Jo ShuaveJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM

Also what about a pay cap for elected officials/not making it so we the people end up paying for their personal welfare the rest of their life

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

It is a cop out to say "they will get theirs on the other side. We have one chance and one life to change our world, and nobody ever changed anything from "the other side"

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM

the religious powerful with their finger on the trigger,just waiting for GOD to tell them when and where to strike. now thats frightening

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lucy that's what I don't get, I just don't understand what they think the end result will be; yay! cancer and a slow death for everyone, even me... but I have these coins... yay!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM

Yes, one has got to scrunch the nose up at least and say, "Hunh?"

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

at what point can we move from the brainstorming phase to the action phase?

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:39 PM

@Rachel - ah but rachel,they gotta have something to fiddle with. i mean,their winkle must be so small.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee :: That's a job for Survey Monkey!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:39 PM

I never lie.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:40 PM

I think it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you are a moral person; you don't harm others or do things intended to harm others.. if love and compassion are a part of you I don't think it matters if you are "religious" or spiritual

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

do a side by side comparison. Do atheists commit murder more often then say Christians.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:40 PM

and that will serve what purpose,Mike?

Ben HertzJul 1, 2014, 11:40 PM

we need liberty martyrs

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:40 PM

curious

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

In these times, silence and fence sitting ain't cutting it and is shameful, demonic behavior.

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:41 PM

lol @ lee

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:41 PM

@Lee - but they were teddy bears and an action man. they dont count

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:41 PM

ben there are liberty martyrs ...but they are all in prison for being hippies ....sad times

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:42 PM

Demon coin money worship is my religion. Happy Domestic Terrorist Day folks!

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:42 PM

there are more people bothered about a football game or what the latest thing kim fucking kardashian is doing than what is going on their own country.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:42 PM

sad but true lucy...just look at ukraine

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:43 PM

those are the people who will probably never want any kind of change. too set in their ways

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:43 PM

we should all brush up on our constitutional rights over the weekend ;)

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

I have seen ,Move to amend ,online. Is money out voters in a website?

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

did you say curser...or dagger

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:44 PM

i didnt know even the UK has a constitution.

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:44 PM

thank you

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

http://summonthensa.com/ if you wanna catch you some of them pesky nsa agents

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:45 PM

wish there was one for our politicians Lee

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Lucy, I think you're spot on, not enough people even care and I'm afraid it may have to get way worse before enough people wake up and unite.

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

TURN OFF THE FRAKKING TV!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:46 PM

I called my Mom last week and CNN was blaring in the background. She wasn't even watching it.

Steven PalmerJul 1, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

people are distracted more than ever by short term drama and meaningless activity. in slowing down to think and plan long term, we encourage others to do the same.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

“Watching television is like taking black spray paint to your third eye.”

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:47 PM

lee am i the only one who gets ubber pissed when twitter jam up your news feed ...when we thought we had blocked all ads

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee :: I did see the beginning - I couldn't bring myself to listen to it.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

Yes! lol loved the McDonald's ad Lee, and that guy cracks me up lol

Mike LockerJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM

I really don't watch tv at all, but the radio!!! sheeesh , a lot of ads . Sending ccr a nasty letter for letting walgreens go on with "down o the corner for so long! :)

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM

It is an AWESOME show Lee! Everyone should check it out! :D

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM

kimba you said frakking...wash your mouth out with soap :) :)

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM

can i gush about how good that ad is? How much do you pay John for those ads? And when can he came round to clean my gaff?

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM

TURN OFF THE FRAKKING RADIO!

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee- Exactly. Clean up our info stream, start a website to reach masses, steal corpo products on the reg, graffiti (stencils for efficiency), dont buy shit you dont need, research, hijack ads buy modifying them for truth etc.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:49 PM

talk about and practice self-sustainability whenever possible! :)

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:49 PM

Barry :: I thought that was the acceptable censored version of the the other word :)

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:49 PM

kimba #lolz

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

Tuesday and sunday nights at 330AM is primetime for ad modifying when the pigs change shifts

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, I want to replace all the billboards in California with photos of the landscapes they are obstructing.

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:50 PM

@kimba- or hit em with molitovs

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:50 PM

This is what took me down the road of starting my own crowdfunding site ...

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

i would have thought that eleanor and lee would have pr people/minions to do this kinda interaction

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:51 PM

phil: I'm a lover not a fighter.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

or you could do some pranktavism.bit like this - http://youtu.be/DOQtEb5zhxc

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:51 PM

@Eleanor - you too?

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

pure randomness never hurts either to fight against the status quo, do things out of the norm

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

ick feet.

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:52 PM

el #lolz the strange thing is i know the 2 of you are serious

Chris McCamicJul 1, 2014, 11:52 PM

Kimba, it's awesome that you had that idea about replacing billboards with the landscapes- I've idly dreamed about that while driving. If you could get crowdfunding to start doing it, that would be awesome.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

bet you paint your toe nails too,right Lee?

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

bunions are awesome

Chris McCamicJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

Of course, you're still paying rent to some corporation to do it, but the statement you make would carry.

Thomas LycettJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

what are bunions?

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

So what are we taking away from this talk? Action items?

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

thats what Boehner has. its why he looks like he is always crying

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM

thats my job as a internet troll

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM

Onions and feet, ick yes let's get back on track.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

talk to people about our need again for independence on independence day? :)

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

i get a ton of fresh free organic produce from market of choice veggie "trash" after 12PM

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

I know, but you see, I'm very corporate, and need to leave the talk with a bullet list ...

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

keep posting about what you believe in. dont matter if you dont get any replys,reposts. its getting it out there into there social network

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:55 PM

me too Eleanor!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

I live in my car and use the commons for everything.

Kevin PottsJul 1, 2014, 11:56 PM

So, I guess I'll just keep ranting my frustrations on Facebook against the system until enough people are ready for the Revolution, call me! lol j/jk I gotta shut down its storming

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

dont forget what 4th july is all about ...and no it aint just an awesome bbq

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:56 PM

wish i could be there with you guys "celebrating" the 4th july. fuck it,i just wanna get pissed Ha!

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

haha! which is your right as an American right Eleanor? :) p.s. I am the same way... not much fun at bbq's lol!

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

@El Lets get wined up and graff the town red

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

you are NOT alone. Right?

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

I'm in!

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

Yes, it does feel like it's finally coming down.

phil chipperJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

name it, where and when im there

Barry HamillJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

em rachel dont know if that was meant for me but im not american

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:57 PM

Astrologically the 4th is supposed to be intense.

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - that cos of 4th july?

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:58 PM

yay! a day early! :)

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 1, 2014, 11:58 PM

I have the power. I have been all around the ME (even Golan heights), a few stans and around India. I have the power to face off to any of these psychopath monsters.

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:58 PM

don't let them get in your mind... you are who you are, they cannot change you. :)

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

fucking love the show Lee btw. you is a bona fida star.......couldnt nab ya for $20? :-)

kimba kradelJul 1, 2014, 11:59 PM

Ciao!

Lucy DyerJul 1, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

shit where has the time gone. great tawk as always guys :-)

Rachel McDonnellJul 1, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Great tawk Eleanor and Lee... and audience! :)

Barry HamillJul 2, 2014, 12:00 AM

noooo dont leave us ...then we will have to go back to facebook and laugh at pictures of cats

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 2, 2014, 12:01 AM

It is because of the thinking and actions of these pyscho monsters why the planet is in the shape it is in currently.

Steven PalmerJul 2, 2014, 12:02 AM

News comes and goes with a pace that creates a conservative narrative, regardless of content. I would like to see independent news outlets work together to log depth, connect dots and reveal patterns. /ibelieve

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 2, 2014, 12:12 AM

Lee and Eleanor you do such tremendous work. Thank you for all you do.

ben shipleyJul 2, 2014, 12:20 AM

noo! I missed it!

Johnathonfall thethirdJul 2, 2014, 12:37 AM

Blackwater...X...ACADEMI...Eric Prince...wow...what man!

kals hsAug 1, 2014, 9:48 PM

Ben HertzAug 5, 2014, 11:07 PM

I have no pants on!