Eleanor Goldfield

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Is corporatism crushing women?

Apr 8, 2014·271 visitors

Lee Camp

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Apr 8, 2014

Activists Lee Camp and Eleanor Goldfield discuss how women use and are used in the corporate framework. From the effects of women in the corporate boardroom to women in factories.

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

Welcome fighters!

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

How y'all doin? (I grew up in Richmond, VA, so I can say that.)

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Say hi to resident rock star Eleanor Goldfield.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hello!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Thanks everyone for joining us

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

And hello to you my male, but equally awesome co-host, Lee

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

We have a crazy hot topic tonight and cold beer in the fridge.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Well, I feel a little jipped. I didn't get any cold beer

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

I can't help but think "male" was said with some disgust there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Ha - your words, Lee ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“can Lee be an honorary female for this tawk?”

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

FIRST - PLEASE everybody tell people you're here!! Tweet the URL and FB it and instagram it and put it on OK Cupid!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

As always, make sure you tweet and post to let everyone know you're here!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Yeah, what he said

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Read my mind.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Or did the NSA tell you?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Little column A, little column B

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Today we're talking about whether corporate pillaging is crushing women and also how women do in the corporate culture

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

So - women in the corporate world. I saw someone had posted something about women in boardrooms so we can start there

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

According to a few studies I read up on, women in the boardroom (as in higher management positions) do better for a corporation's bottom line

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

Should women aspire to the boardroom? It's kinda like saying mass murderers are ONLY men, why not more ladies??

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

"companies where women make up a third of board members made on average 42% more profit, and shareholders received 53% higher returns."

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey you lovely audience!! :-)”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“apparently, it's a goldfield in here. Awesome sauce!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

Women can be sociopaths too!

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Equality in sociopathy!!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“ya, just look at Ayn Rand.”

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

So El, why so few women? Is it because it's an old boys club or because women by nature are not as ruthless?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

@Michael - I don't think either Lee or I have had a corporate job so sort of hard to say

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Did the companies in both Lee and Eleanor's professional past have women boards?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Well, the study suggests that one of the main reasons is simply that women either don't get hired or don't try

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Both suggest a paradigm of job inequality

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Which fits in nicely with the discussion today in DC about wage inequality

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

hahaha @Michael. I think I have too many tattoos

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“I think measuring anything based on how much profit it yields compared to another is not a very good way of measuring.”

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Yes, there is a wage inequality fight going on

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Also, #Eleanor4President.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@That Guy - agreed with your comment. However, since the sole purpose of corporations is to make money, that's how they measure success

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

But listen, women should NOT earn as much because, um, well, ummmmm, I'll get back to you.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“years of being told women cant do this job or that job. gotta change that”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Tattoos ar enot a 21st century way of providing what you are passionate about.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

That comment might be why your online dating profile isn't doing too well, Lee ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

@Michael. I couldn't agree more. You're awesome

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“whew made it.”

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Yeah, refresh your page! Sometimes that needs to be done to start the tawk.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

In terms of women in the boardroom, the glass ceiling is a large factor.

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I just refreshed my page. Hello Lee and Eleanor!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

However, there's no evidence, from what I can see, that suggests women would be more "benevolent" in the boardroom

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“of course women shouldnt earn as much s men. we should get more. look at the crap we get you the male of the species sometimes”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

But don't you feel (like with Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher and Sarah Palin) that the most warmongering, male-behaving women are the ones who are promoted to the top positions?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“they would not hire benevolent women.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Agreed @Robin. Although it seems to be an argument I hear that women should be in places of power b/c we're "nicer"

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

There are not a lot of Jill Steins getting to power positions.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

very true. just like there aren't a lot of MLK's making it to power

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

But of course the same could be said of men - The men running around demanding peace don't get as far.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

I think it's more of a factor of inequality in general as opposed to nice vs. mean

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“In my experience women in middle management positions act about the same as the males.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Qualkinbush

“The corporate focus on the short term bottom line often ends up costing much more in the long run. Underpaying and limiting advancement of female employees in favor of their male colleagues, regardless of ability, can be a very costly mistake.”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

Very true Jane - that was completely misogynist.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..look how Michael Hayden is ripping apart Dianne Feinstein by calling her "emotional" on the torture side of things”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Jane - another good point. Women, when they do speak out against injustices, get labeled as overly "emotional" or "hysterical"

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“totally, i saw a documentary showing most of those women to have high testosterone levels. higher then some men.”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

But Feinstein is also a war hawk and totally down with almost all NSA spying, which is why she got to where she is.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

True, both @Lee and @That Guy

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

However, when it comes to the same job, they should be paid equally

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Michael - ALL THE TIME

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

But most of the time I just put out, easier that way.

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“But men and women are not equal in many ways.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

I won't complain if a guy built like Stallone wants to help me carry an amp but if we both get hired to do an office job, god damnit I want equal pay

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Raise your hand, men, if you have been leered at , at your job or harrassed or demoted due to not "putting-out."”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

Yes, and when we say there isn't equal pay, we're not talking about lifting boxes. We're talking about jobs that can be done equally.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Live form the Interwebs; it's Tuesday Night!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Exactly. Which brings us to a broader spectrum of corporatism. Boardrooms are one thing but how about factory jobs, field hands

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Women make up a large part of the exploited work force in many developing countries - i.e. where western corporations build their factories

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

We act like brute force is such a benefit in the workplace but we don't act like sympathy and empathy are. They should be as valued as anything else.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“So, Eleanor...working with tech equipment; where there pauses in the room because of your gender. Or was it just, "Get the job done?" type of thing?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Michael - I got a LOT of stares, inappropriate comments and I had to work harder to get people to take me seriously

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

I was once asked the greatest flaw someone could have, and I decided it was lack of empathy. But no one ever measures that or says people should earn less because of it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Lee - how would you measure that?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I worked in a steel mill and there were very few jobs that the average woman couldn't do.”

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I rarely see wmen in the tech side of things in the nmusic industry. There needs to be more of that.”

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..is there anyone here that does not and never will work in a boardroom and have "blue Collar" jobs and probably always will? Just wondering...I see a divide here already. Of skirts and suits vs "work clothes" that are boots and jeans”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

@Jane - I've never worked in a boardroom, or really anywhere near one in my life.

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“right you are mike, i know 3 women welders that are awesome welders.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

However, again, I think the divide between men and women is felt in many different arenas

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

As Michael pointed out, in the music industry for example

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

Or in welding

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@That Guy - to start with, yes.

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Eleanor - What do you deal with as a female lead singer?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

If the man shows to be better at the job, he should get a raise

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“What if a woman and a man have the same desk job, the man happens to be better at it (in this scenario) and gets more donw. Should they get equal pay?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

But starting pay should be equal

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

@Lee - oh where would I even begin?

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

I think you told me once that people always want to give advice on your look but they would never give male lead singers "look" advice.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I've been asked to wait outside during soundcheck b/c "girlfriends and groupies" aren't allowed in yet

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

Ha.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

And the never ending drivel about wearing corsets and makeup and short skirts.

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

Mike - You're right. we should do a whole hour on unions.

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I will always support women in music, even at the expense of my own gender because, well...just lookm at the music industry from 1984 to 2014.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

Which is not unusual for other jobs as well

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

@Robin - ha!

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Usually it takes a union to get equal pay.”

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“kelly, i looked at the job description for "philosopher" and it looks like way too much work.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@Michael - as long as they're funny :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Also, support women comedians as much as you would the menfolk , too!”

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

Although right as I was saying that people give you more comments on your look, someone just tweeted that I should never tilt my head.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

hahaha

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

well, maybe they're a chiropractor

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

just trying to help

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Could you imagine if I never titled my head because some asshole told me not to on twitter. Jesus, what a hard life that would be.

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

So we're also talking about whether corporate pillaging is affecting women especially.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

And I don't just mean in boardrooms, I mean throughout the world.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

Yay - back on track!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

There is, however, a gendered issue in corporatism

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“corporate pillagind is affecting us all”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

And as Lee mentioned it's not just with the glass ceiling issue

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

The fact that many countries are sexist and even promote gender inequality translates into the labor market

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

For example, in Juarez, Mexico - it is not unusual for girls the age of 10 to begin working in textile factories, while their male counterparts are at school

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

Or in gangs due to the broken economy

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“So E & L, how does support your professions to help women achieve better access and opportunity in tody's world?”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

Also because women are generally taking care of the children in poor countries, they're the ones who might get crushed most easily.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

And in many industries, such as the garment industry, women and girls are prized not only for their "small, nimble fingers" but for their gender. Many are sexually abused and even sold into the sex trade

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

@ThatGuy - We don't have frontlines much anymore. It's drone bombing.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

@ThatGuy - also, since we don't have a draft, soldiers are sent to the frontlines b/c they enlisted.

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“What about the fact that men are sent to the front lines and women are not”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

That's not a fair comparison to a 10 year old girl who was thrown into a windowless factory to work 15 hour days

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“i have heard strait from the mouth of a somalian, women there are second class.”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

In the Mariana Islands - which allow for "made in america" labeling even though it's the Mariana Fucking Islands - there are horrible conditions and often forced abortions so that women can keep working.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

And many US companies do or have supported factories in the Mariana islands.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

@Jane - another good point.

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure it was Tom Delay who gave a speech there saying it was a shining star of what capitalism could be.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“the frontlines in the miliatry now for 33% of the women is trying to avoid getting raped by one of your "Hometeam " members”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

@ThatGuy, bc it's american corporations who pillage that city

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

as with many other cities

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“Why should Americans have a say in what Juarez Mexico does. It sucks but I have no right to tell Mexico what to do”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

@ThatGuy - No one here said America should go in there with guns, but it's FINE to have a moral point of view on issues outside of your country.

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

AND what Eleanor said - it's american corps

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

I seriously doubt the people of Juarez want to see the bodies of raped and mutilated 13 year old girls on the side of the road

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

@ThatGuy - I think you're missing the point here.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

I'm not advocating militarized action on behalf of the people of Juarez or any other city an American corporation has shat upon

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

What I am advocating is that our American corporations get the fuck out of there

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

@ThatGuy - They're OUR corporations!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

By your logic, we should have the ability to go into a city, rape it's people and resources and then it's up to them to figure it out

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

We're buying the shit!!

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

We're SUPPORTING it.

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

We're PAYING for it.

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“Then the people of Juarez should deal with it....We are not the policemen of the world”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

This is different than bombing Syria to stop their civil war.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

Vote with your money. Exactly.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“That is the answer too, stop buying the garbage we do not need.”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Michael - We can do both. We don't need to WAIT until your city is perfect to care about outside your city.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Michael, I don't think it's a one or the other scenario. By curbing corporate power here at home, the situation for women everywhere will change

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“We first need to focus on our women here at home.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

If you, for example, forced American corporations to have fair working conditions in whatever country they wanted to go to, a lot of them would not only come home, thereby putting more money into our economy, but the women and children crushed by

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

But Jane - That's NOT because we aren't focusing on it. It's because the system is designed that way.

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“what? stop buying the shiny,things that break after only a few tries? no more pretty sweat shop made t shirts? :-O”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

@Jane - the two are not mutually exclusive

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

They are tightly tied

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

NOT caring about the rest of the world would not help us fix our own country.

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..ehhh, there is some part of me that is saying get your own hosue in oder before ya go snooping around other houses tell 'em what to do...for God's sake we got 45 Million people HERE who do not have enough to eat”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

Furthermore, many of those people starving around the world are BECAUSE of us.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

A corporation's presence in a developing country does not help their economy and social structure, it hurts it

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

The UN estimates it would cost $30 Billion to solve the world food crisis per year. We spend that much money on NOTHING. We could solve it in the flip of a switch and make the whole world love us in the process. But we don't.

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

The reason we don't is because poor people is good for the US, it keeps us in control.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Hand Tomouth

“If we don't focus on compassion we are a lost society, if we contribute to corporate greed then we have stopped being compassionate. Women suffer at the hands of corps”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“These assholes are like locusts. They shift production to largely rural areas, then they ship them to Mexico, then on to Asia, then soon Africa.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

@Lee - very true. The Pentagon pushed a bill through for engines on F35 (I believe that was the plane) fighter jets when the military didn't even want them and didn't end up using them

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

That cost us oh about $75 million

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I'm curious. If there is majority rule in the world; why are women not running it? I'm for the majority.”

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Eleanor - And we built those planes and then sent them straight to a plane graveyard.

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

To sit there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

Yep

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

We have 900 military bases around the world and yet we claim we're out of money?? Bullshit.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...yeah yeah yeah, but Ian remember the teahesrs at school always saying eat your veggies coause there's poor starving kids in India or Africa or whereever. My point is there are kids starving right here in Pennsyltuckey and anywhere else America.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

@Jane - the point is they don't have to be. Our kids or their kids. And that starvation circles back to corporatism - on both counts

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

And by the way, that argument is bullshit. If you're not hungry, don't fucking gorge yourself.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

That won't make that starving kid feel any better

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“but like Lee has already said. the US,and others.NEED poor,hungry people. its what keeps the big fucked-up fat shitheads in power”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“3.6 million kids under the age of 5 starve and die every year.”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I am admiring the inspiration from this tawk.”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Yes, the idea of feed our country first before we help others is wrong on several levels. The US people starving are NOT starving because of the money or food going overseas. They're starving because of our own policies, not resources.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

So, the answer to whether corporatism is crushing women seems to be an obvious yes, on both sides of the spectrum, from the highest board room to the lowest factory floor

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Secondly, many of the people starving around the world are ALSO starving because of our policies. Change the policies and you save the people. It's not about resources.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Say "feed them here first" implies that we are grabbing food out of US kids' mouths and sending it overseas.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

Corporatism is politics - the two can not be taken separately as it stands today

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

They are one and the same

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Here's a question - Are Democratic politicians better for women? Or is it just a bullshit debate to distract us?

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“But is politics also crushing women. The Religious Right and Conservative policies around the world?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

Ugh

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

Bullshit

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“its the whole social way women have been treated for thousands of years.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

Left and right are bought and sold

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

If anti-abortion lobbyists began flooding left instead of right, the democrats would dance like willing puppets

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

El - What do you say to all the women who tell me they will always vote for Dems because they can't bare to see what the Right is doing to women?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

@Lucy - right

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Is focusing on corporate greed missing a larger issue. That most politicians are male and are not aware of issues women actually go through.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“*sigh* I want you have E.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“money out,voters in...right,Eleanor?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

Ask them what ground breaking legislation the Dems have offered up to women

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Emma Cowan

“There is plenty of wealth throughout the world, problem is it is unequally distributed. The US has more than enough resources to fed the starving children in their own back yard”

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

They might say Lilly Ledbetter (sp)

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Absolutely, Eleanor!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

The left may be seen as pro choice but that's only b/c the money dictates that stance

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

And it's not like all the Dems are pro choice either, or pro-equal pay

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

The Republicans are known as a more extremist, conservative, anti-woman party but in the end, our corporate status quo is fed into by both left and right, and as we've discussed that status quo is crushing women

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

and men, of course

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

Agreed, they'll sell out their own children if the money is there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

In fact, they are

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Emma Cowan

“Starving children in the developing world can be as a direct or indirect result of imposed corporatisation”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

I mean what kind of world will their children have?

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“How many democrats have spoke up about the eradication of our Constitutional rights and abortion rights?”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

And this is why MSNBC drives me insane. They will take an issue like this and run it into the ground - meanwhile they'll ignore all the ways corporate pillaging is destroying lives across the country and the world.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

No food, no water, no jobs - air filled with smog and the smell of printed dollars. Ugh

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Dems, Republicans... makes no difference when you're bought and paid for.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

Alternate media is key

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“@Michal...I saw that video of the whistleblowers aka McDonald's managers...sickening what they did to MAC workers.”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

But women are hot, right? Can we agree on that?? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I watch RT, TRNN, TDPS, LipTV, TYT, AAl-J America, BBC, and Seculr Talk.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

“The pro choice and equal pay lobbyists aren't as well funded as pro fracking and pro GMO lobbyists. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

@Chris - the good ideas are never as well funded. Only the ideas that will make the rich richer go through, and they're never good for us "Plebs"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

@Lee. Well, some of them :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

Let's not get too crazy on this equality train ;)

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Well the abortion debate is kept afloat indefinitely because it's an easy way for the two sides to keep people angry at the other side and never considering whether they're the SAME side.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

Yep, Folk Devils

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

Hey hey, shiny shiny - abortion debate

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

Drone strike - don't pay attention!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

@Daniel - and people keep falling for it

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Women are hot when what they speak or sing about inspires me to change the world (If only in imagination.)”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

Wow, a shiny abortion sounds kinda interesting.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Qualkinbush

“Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

Ha, scared??

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

@Michael - thank you, I think :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

You should hear Lee on BTS - he'll scare, inspire AND make you laugh

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

Eleanor - You do look scary. I have to say. Perhaps paint some smileys on your finger nails.

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Whe I heard Eleanor on BTS, I was scared and inspired.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

I tried that, but I'm not a very good artist so they ended up looking a little twisted and grotesque

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

Thanks Michael!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

@Michael - agreed. He should have his own show on there

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

That probably suited you.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Emma Cowan

“resource based economy - live within our means - right - easy for people like us to support, asking the rich to meet us in the middle and to stop living to excess - unlikely”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Laugh the Stage?

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Lee is a regular on BTS. He needs to have his onwn show there.”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Gross. Scary world.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Unibrow used to be in too.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“WTF are doing here Lee? Get Abby to tell you to Laugh The Stage!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

Breaking The Set. Abby Martin's show on RT

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

I saw the movie "300" (Don't ask) and all the tough Greek men had shaved their chests. Hmmmm, something wrong here.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Fat was beautiful and the elderly were prized for their knowledge and life experience.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

gross. I hate that

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“What's BTS?”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

BTS = Breaking The Set (it's a tv show)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

But hell, let's not get into men's chest hair - I might completely go off on a tangent

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

For one last attempt at getting back to the topic - Anybody have specific examples of how corporate pillaging is harming women specifically?

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“#BikiniKill !”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

http://truth-out.org/news/item/22896-thin-line-between-garment-sex-work

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

There's an interesting article to read after the tawk

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Michael - Can that all be by myself?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

It discusses how women in the garment industry are often times also sold into the sex trade

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Don't shave if you don't want to. Don't wear make-up if you don't want to. Have sex if you want to. Smoke weed if you want to. Just do it if YOU want too.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

@Lucy - I don't think it's that they don't stand up - they're just pushed down as soon as they do

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“why has there never been a female president? or even one that has come even close to getting there? why do they not stand up?”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

El - Thanks for that article. It also talks about how they go to the garment trade to "escape" but it's another form of slavery.

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“stop watching tv and taking the stereotype and biases on as our own, think about it, Blonds, skinny, tight pants, it never used to be this way.”

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Reduce ones own addiction to make-up, raxzors, shampoo, ungoldy chemicals on your body...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

@Lucy - true.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

I will say something that bothers me is how some women say they will vote for Hilary just b/c she is a woman

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - thats whats happen with Hilary. love her or hate her”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

That irks the hell out of me

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

As if voting for someone based on the presence of a vagina is a good idea

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Yes, I think we desperately need a women president and yet Hillary is just the same old shit as the men.

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from sherry cabral

“historically, men hunt gather and play at teams, women learn to compete with each other for the best hunter gather and player. is it possible it's more difficult to get women on the same side? work or stay at home? or anything?...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

Women should be judged on their merits, not on their body parts, same as any man

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

The problem is of course, that fewer women make it to the point of being chosen to run for office

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

Or work in high power positions

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“Lucy, Why does it have to be a women...whjy not the best candidate?”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“I used to think that, but I will vote for most issues I find relevent; which, btw, are geared toward giving women more choices.”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

@That Guy - I finally agree with you.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

Ha - well, you can't fix the system if you just throw your hands up and walk away

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

Women should want to hold office, and be viable options, just as much as men

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“OR maybe they are smart enough NOT to run for office”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

@Michael - since the news focused more on Paris Hilton than drone strikes

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“Since when did a woman's body or her sexual partners or her sexual politics become fodder for things that don't even apply to the issues?”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Qualkinbush

“As long as the MSM in our country is controlled by male centric corporations, women will face an uphill battle for equality. Perhaps this is a good place to focus efforts for change?”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Chris - Warren will never get far because she doesn't have the backing of Wall Street.

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Not until we take campaign donations out of the equation.”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

“There should be more people like Elizabeth Warren in DC, regardless of gender. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Red Snapper

“If voting in and of itself changed anything...it would be illegal.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

However, to leave on a more positive note - people like Warren could get far and voting could matter again if and when the system changes. Which, again, is up to us

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

@Chris - please and thank you

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

El - True.

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

And just supporting Warren now can make a difference.

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

“Can we get rid of lobbying too?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

@Lee - very true

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Elizabeth Warren would be fine if we had a congress and got rid of at least half of the supreme court.”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

@That Guy - Because it puts a price on everything - human life included.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Putting her name out there, bringing up discussions such as this one goes back to what one of the founders of Occupy said to me - "I wanted to change the conversation."

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

All movements start with an idea

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“Corporatism does NOT discriminate. It fucks everyone.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

@Emma - very good point.

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

We're wrapping up the "official" tawk here any second. But you can keep tawking even after 8pm.

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Emma Cowan

“Women are already second class citizens in many developing countries as a result, they are much easier to exploit. Also they play a duel role has home keepers and 'paid' workers so they are under pressure to perform in a rapidly developing world”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

There is a secular party - or there was. I did some writing for them a while back

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Crump

“The Secular Party; is that something I can be a part of?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Like Lee said - please do feel free to continue the conversation!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

Thanks so much for joining us!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

You guys all rock!!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Please keep in touch at LeeCamp.net

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

AND facebook.com/LeeCampComedian

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

Come back next Tuesday and please let us know what topics you'd like for us to cover in the future: eleanor-swede.com

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

@rooftopeleanor

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

AND Eleanor and I are BOTH performing May 10th in Los Angeles at the United We Stand Fest (for free and equal politics)

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

www.UnitedWeStandFest.com

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

Yep! You can click on the link below as well, the banner with our mugs on it :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

Tkts are on sale now

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Also there - Abby Martin, Wu Tang, Public Enemy, Immortal Technique, Jill Stein and others

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Thanks again!!

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kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 6:03 PM

We need equality. Simone de beauvoir has some very interesting philosophies about women. We need more women philosophizers.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 6:28 PM

Ironic that the tawk given is on a platform (Tawker / Apple-based) that historically pay women low wages and treats foreign women poorly. P.S. Girls To The Front. #RiotGrrrls

Trey WilliamsonApr 8, 2014, 6:54 PM

@Michael - Not sure how Tawkers an Apple Based platform? It is a web app accessible on any computer or browser... Also, curious about Apple being known for unequal pay, can you post some links to read more on that? thanks!

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:04 PM

@Trey: http://www.alternet.org/labor/apple-walmart-mcdonalds-whos-biggest-wage-stiffer (Apple: Making a Half-Million per Employee)

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:07 PM

@Trey: Tawkers is co-founded by former Apple employees and only available for the iPhone as an app.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:08 PM

@Trey: But on the plus side: http://www.ionwomen.org/apple-diversity (Apple Takes First Bite Out of Board Gender Diversity)

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:10 PM

I'm critical about most technology but specifically Silicon Valley and Apple. I would love to see more women in STEM-fields, developing apps for the iPhone, and "tawking" about corporate boardroom diversity. But I don't.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:12 PM

Oh, a big shout-out to Abby Martin in helping me "discover" Rooftop Revolutionaries and Lee Camp. Alternative media helps when women run it.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 9:35 PM

Society, being codified by man, decrees that woman is inferior; she can do away with this inferiority only by destroying the male's superiority.nSimone de Beauvoir - Sounds harsh, but makes perfect sense when ya think about it.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:44 PM

We'll never solve the feminization of power until we solve the masculinity of wealth.nGloria Steinem

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 9:52 PM

a little something from Lee - https://www.facebook.com/ArtofDB/photos/pb.196512327199137.-2207520000.1396993915./241406699376366/?type=3&theater

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 9:55 PM

thats a good one lucy. but i really don't feel at liberty to AGREE with it. = D

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 9:58 PM

I think we need to resurrect the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman's_Party - as the Equal Rights Act has yet to be ratified by the majority of states.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:02 PM

really? i am shocked! does that signify we (women) are on shaky ground?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:04 PM

It signifies that we are putting a band-aid on a unhealed 35+ year-old gash through irrelevant legislation and hit-or-miss acts.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:04 PM

really,Robin? you do surprise me

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:11 PM

haha lucy! ya, it had to be revealed sometime.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:11 PM

Michael, you paint a vivid picture.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:12 PM

we women have never really had the chance to stand up for ourselves - till now. things are a changing making more & more of us kick up a stink and take back power from the male folk.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:12 PM

@Robin. Your Avatar is more vivid. Where did you get it?

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:13 PM

i got it from google images... guy fawkes mask. ihope no one minds. = D

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:14 PM

*translation... i hope no one sues me.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:14 PM

@robin - whos gives a crap? as long as you like it :-)

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:14 PM

+1 for the usage. Anon approves.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:15 PM

kewl! and i absolutely LOVE it... and anon. = D

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:16 PM

the skeleton in my kitchen has her own mask. ; ]

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

thats just freaky now robin! lol

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

Skeletons, technically are gender neural. ^.^

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

oh, well, yes, michael. i suppose they are.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

pardon me

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:18 PM

freaky? yes, thank you. lucy

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:21 PM

this is interesting - "In the Boardroom with Lucy Marcus: Women Directors, mission accomplished?" http://youtu.be/BMoRKuzrT-k

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:25 PM

oh and for more reading... "Woman On Boards" https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/182602/bis-13-p135-women-on-boards-2013.pdf

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:35 PM

ok, so the lucy marcus one just made me mad.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:36 PM

how so?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:37 PM

On a lighter note: Iliza Shlesinger: Gleaming the Cubicle - http://youtu.be/54oINCTz8z0?t=40s

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:37 PM

seemed like merwyn, (?) didn't really say anything. and cut her off a lot.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:38 PM

true,i found that too. was rather short for my liking.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:39 PM

yep

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:40 PM

just put it out there cos it has some talking points...possibly

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:41 PM

yes, it does. which were mostly either inadequately or not addressed at all in the video, i thought.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:42 PM

and why i posted the pdf link about women on boards. which goes into far more detail

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:44 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chicceo/2014/03/11/the-case-for-women-on-boards-sxsw-2014/

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:44 PM

“Nearly 1/2 of the Silicon valley 150 companies have no female executives at all, while 84% of the S&P 500 manage to have at least one.” – Fenwick: Gender Diversity Survey 2013

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:44 PM

i'm afraid its too much detail for me. i have a built-in avoidance system for references to corporate details. = D

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:45 PM

you have certainly done your homework, Michael!

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:45 PM

ok going on the "jobs" that the hosts have,are we surprised that there arent more women comics? or even women in rock?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:46 PM

Women in rock is sorely lacking. So I try to at least listen to women-only, women-oriented, or woman-only groups.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:46 PM

"surprised"? not really. i have come to expect that in nearly all walks of life. except, ya know, the traditionally female roles. = [

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:46 PM

do things like tv program The Voice or Americas Got Talent make things harder for girls/woman to go far?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM

And I try to see programs that at least try to pass the Bedel test, although the test itself is flawed.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM

dunno, i don't watch tv

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM

I watch the Internet. For cats, you know.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM

"Bedel"? gonna have to look that up

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM

lol @michael

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:48 PM

Not sure how it is spelled.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:48 PM

well, i am not further enlightened

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:49 PM

@michael - is this what you are on about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:49 PM

Yes. Sorry.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:49 PM

theres a similar thing for coloured people too.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 10:49 PM

I was unawar eof that.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:50 PM

= D yeah! thank you Michael for the link

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:50 PM

name one "career" that women excel at? and i am not counting motherhood (even if some consider it a career)

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:51 PM

veterinarian?

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:51 PM

good one

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:52 PM

head of the EPA? no wait. nope.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:52 PM

over here,theres a women owner of a football club. and shes done well. worked her way up

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:52 PM

interesting.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:57 PM

would love to know if Lee has noticed if the owmen he's come into contact with,have become more confident over the years.you know,from a male point of view...

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:58 PM

altho i guess the same could be asked of Eleanor too

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:59 PM

wat are owmen?

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 10:59 PM

robin,my spellign is crap. you know what i meant

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 10:59 PM

oh just figured it out! sorry

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

hey Eleanor and Lee!

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

<- slow on the uptake

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

I had to restart me computer. I am back.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

welcome back michael

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

Hiya Gang!

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

howdy mike!

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

Hello Eleanor and Lee!

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM

I try to watch women-only, women-oriented, or women-led media outlets. Youtube to the rescue!

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:00 PM★ Spotlighted

can Lee be an honorary female for this tawk?

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:01 PM

And hello to all the Tawkers :)

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:01 PM

hello Daniel

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:01 PM

Hiya Daniel

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

apparently, it's a goldfield in here. Awesome sauce!

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

hey you lovely audience!! :-)

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:02 PM

Hello Lucy!

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:03 PM

hey there mike

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:03 PM

well women in the board room is pretty shite. both here in the UK and the US.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

ya, just look at Ayn Rand.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Did the companies in both Lee and Eleanor's professional past have women boards?

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

I think measuring anything based on how much profit it yields compared to another is not a very good way of measuring.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:04 PM

yeah but we women can hide being sociopaths better. we can blame it on the time of the month

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Also, #Eleanor4President.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:05 PM

or suggests that women are smarter and not assholes so they dont go for the ceo jobs

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:05 PM

Women need to be encouraged more to join the professional ranks, by men.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:05 PM

But it's all about the profits oops people.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

years of being told women cant do this job or that job. gotta change that

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM

why would how many ceos are women vs men mean anything. who wants to be a ceo anyway? Not me.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

Tattoos ar enot a 21st century way of providing what you are passionate about.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

whew made it.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM

hiya kelly = D

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM

hey kelly

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

I just refreshed my page. Hello Lee and Eleanor!

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:07 PM

hello everyone. LOL eleanor

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

of course women shouldnt earn as much s men. we should get more. look at the crap we get you the male of the species sometimes

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:07 PM

I think money is not at the heart of the issue. It's the stigma and the discrimination of the "potential" of women getting pregnant or needing family time off. It's knne-deep it Corporate America

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:07 PM

equality, in all forms, is what needs to happen. wtf glass ceiling?

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:07 PM

Ahhhh I feel refreshed.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

they would not hire benevolent women.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:08 PM

I am pretty sure, mind has no gender, its the environment that creates the difference.

James HowardApr 8, 2014, 11:08 PM

Corporatism and benevolence.... rare

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM

i love the fact that i have come across some awesome,powerful women. and have seen the power that other women can do. we ARE out there. and ARE fighting back.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

In my experience women in middle management positions act about the same as the males.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

The corporate focus on the short term bottom line often ends up costing much more in the long run. Underpaying and limiting advancement of female employees in favor of their male colleagues, regardless of ability, can be a very costly mistake.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

totally, i saw a documentary showing most of those women to have high testosterone levels. higher then some men.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM

exactly eleanor.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

..look how Michael Hayden is ripping apart Dianne Feinstein by calling her "emotional" on the torture side of things

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:10 PM

I make sure I point out the ups in a woman's life. They sure have more flaws pointed out to them then men do.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

But men and women are not equal in many ways.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

A lot of males have testosterone but they still don't have balls.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

Raise your hand, men, if you have been leered at , at your job or harrassed or demoted due to not "putting-out."

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

kids from a young age are told,thru media e.g tv,mags etc,that males are strong,females weak. until you change that,i dont think you'll get far.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

Thanks for having us E And L.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

Jane, that is the point, they want us to be emotionless, its to break us apart and make us uncaring individuals willing to kill each other. just another competitive game.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

Men have more muscle mass and would be able to do more laborius tasks better

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM

which makes the "emotional" comment by Hayden all the more warlike Manly) vs non warlike(womanly

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

Live form the Interwebs; it's Tuesday Night!

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:12 PM

The only thing, I think, is maybe a fireman, unless the woman can carry 100 lbs AND pick up another person, I have seen women who can.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:12 PM

hey men have sensitive sides too.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:13 PM

exactly lee.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:13 PM

but should we ask mommy govt to make everyone equal? If a woman can get higher pay at a different company, that dumb company that doesnt pay her enough will lose her

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

So, Eleanor...working with tech equipment; where there pauses in the room because of your gender. Or was it just, "Get the job done?" type of thing?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:13 PM

right again eleanor.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

I rarely see wmen in the tech side of things in the nmusic industry. There needs to be more of that.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM

world war 2 - women built all the ammo for the soldiers,did the farming,everything....so it CAN be done.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM

Thats sucks.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM

Brute force is a benefit in SOME workplaces..construction, luberjack etc

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM

Man is said to be human and woman as female ( simone de beouvoir.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

I worked in a steel mill and there were very few jobs that the average woman couldn't do.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

..is there anyone here that does not and never will work in a boardroom and have "blue Collar" jobs and probably always will? Just wondering...I see a divide here already. Of skirts and suits vs "work clothes" that are boots and jeans

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

One of my favorite performers had to become a producer because of her name and she having an infant in the music industry.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

right you are mike, i know 3 women welders that are awesome welders.

Emma CowanApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

Just stoked the fire and ready to see whats gonna be said on this topic, intrigued, plus never used tawkers before so dont really no what to do here....

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

how can we measure empathy?

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

welcome emma!

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

What if a woman and a man have the same desk job, the man happens to be better at it (in this scenario) and gets more donw. Should they get equal pay?

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

Hey Emma, Welcome

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:15 PM

I know a test we could do.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:16 PM

@Emma. Start talking like it's a Yahoo chatroom from 2003!

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:16 PM

what is it kelly?

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:16 PM

..ok, so my point is Eleanor, why all this talk about something nobody can relate to?

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM

Physical strength has nothing to do with being in the boardroom.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM

I really believe we need more women to stand up, don't fall for the brainwashing of the weaker sex cuz that is BS. we need more then 5 out of 115 philosophers to be women.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

I will always support women in music, even at the expense of my own gender because, well...just lookm at the music industry from 1984 to 2014.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM

Women are the future to my future-self.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

Usually it takes a union to get equal pay.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM

right but then the PC police come in and survey the business and say that the 2 doing the same job are paid differently.. after guy got raise

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

kelly, i looked at the job description for "philosopher" and it looks like way too much work.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:18 PM

Anytime!

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:18 PM

Women have creative energy, men are more destructive. Its not a 100% thing but just look for it.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:18 PM

Brb

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Also, support women comedians as much as you would the menfolk , too!

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:19 PM

brb burger is done.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:19 PM

kelly, i wonder if destruction is kind of rewarded?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:19 PM

Being a chtroom moderator sounds like a lot of work.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:19 PM

I'm sure Lee is in the same Camp as thy are. ^.^

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:20 PM

well, that was mean, Lee. i like those tilted pics. = D

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:20 PM

#tilthead. #IguessItookagoodselfie.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

corporate pillagind is affecting us all

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:22 PM

corporatism is crushing everyone.

Brian YorukApr 8, 2014, 11:22 PM

hello mr. lee camp

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

So E & L, how does support your professions to help women achieve better access and opportunity in tody's world?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:22 PM

See Corporate Cannibal by Grace Jones.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

What about the fact that men are sent to the front lines and women are not

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:23 PM

Isn't there a documentary about the borders of the U.S. and Mexico?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

i have heard strait from the mouth of a somalian, women there are second class.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:24 PM

@Eleanore This I one of the key problems as lake of equal access to education is a determining factor in economic health in later life

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:24 PM

*lack

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:24 PM

When women are allowed full access to all ranks and positions to all branches of the military; then it doesn't matter who is sent to the front lines.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:24 PM

Goverment contractors gotta have their cake.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

it IS "THE" grace jones! i will savor that later. thank you Michael.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

I think its fair to say that men get the short end of teh stick in some places

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

Your welcome Robin.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

I need smaller fingers or a bigger keyboard...

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

the frontlines in the miliatry now for 33% of the women is trying to avoid getting raped by one of your "Hometeam " members

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

let me ask, who cares more for people, women or men?

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Why should Americans have a say in what Juarez Mexico does. It sucks but I have no right to tell Mexico what to do

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

Smartphones are not an ideal platform for this medium. #tawkerfail

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:27 PM

I didnt create or own that corp..The state of Deleware created most corps and allows them to continue.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:27 PM

i think socially conscious people have an OBLIGATION to tell other countries what to do, in ths regard.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:27 PM

Why should Americans have a right to say what women can't do in other countries but advise what women can do in this country; as long as the woman is not making the final decision.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

Then the people of Juarez should deal with it....We are not the policemen of the world

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:27 PM

I don't have a problem with capitalism. It's the uncontrolled greed that is allowed in our system.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

Most times, if someone sees a man cry, they say, hes a wimp. When a woman cries, its cuz she is trying to get her way. WTF kind of BS is that? Where do these ideas come from? tv?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

We point the finger abroad; only to have a mirror point back at us with the same issue.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

..does anybody really think Americans in this day and age of what we know about how we are should be telling anybody anything? Morally, Phislosphical or otherwise, I think not

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

i go away for a few mins and all hell breaks loose.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

LOL so true both of you.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

No, they are the banks corporations......

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

Bravo Eleanor

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

jane... certainly some of us have an idea of healthy coexistence.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

fuck Lee,stop being so god damn right! :-)

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

That is the answer too, stop buying the garbage we do not need.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

we should stop the corps anyway

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

We first need to focus on our women here at home.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

But that opposite is true.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:30 PM

stop sitting there while you see something you know is wrong and do something about it.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:30 PM

Correct Kelly

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:30 PM

Also, vote with your buying choices. Buy used. Lear technology. Grow organic. Recycle. Use feminine qualities to help the world.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:30 PM

Yes, it has to be a concsious shift, across the world.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:30 PM

And your pocket book.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

what? stop buying the shiny,things that break after only a few tries? no more pretty sweat shop made t shirts? :-O

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM

fuck i'm up for that

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM

we need to stop thinking about this country and that country, it keeps us divided, we need to think worldly.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

..ehhh, there is some part of me that is saying get your own hosue in oder before ya go snooping around other houses tell 'em what to do...for God's sake we got 45 Million people HERE who do not have enough to eat

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM

ya lucy, planned obsolesence sucks donkey balls.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:31 PM

I want to play devils advocate but then again, I have no belief in a devil.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:32 PM

amen to that kelly

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:32 PM

..true dat Lee

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:32 PM

They would just incorporate in some otehr country

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM

stop thinking selfishly, we are people in a world, if you look at a picture of the world, do you see the lines of borders? no? cuz they are imaginary. people made BS.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM

we are MADE to think of whats going on in other places because its so shit where we are.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

These assholes are like locusts. They shift production to largely rural areas, then they ship them to Mexico, then on to Asia, then soon Africa.

Hand TomouthApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

If we don't focus on compassion we are a lost society, if we contribute to corporate greed then we have stopped being compassionate. Women suffer at the hands of corps

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM

out of sight,out of mind. and fuck everyone else...

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:33 PM

well said hand to mouth.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm curious. If there is majority rule in the world; why are women not running it? I'm for the majority.

Hand TomouthApr 8, 2014, 11:34 PM

Stop funding Wars! We can house and feed all in need

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:34 PM

considering just the states spent 498 billion on military in 2011, i think 30 should be a breeze.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:34 PM

food miles. instead of dropping bombs,drop food parcels.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM

We need to bring their standard of living up to ours... not lower ours to match theirs.

Chris OwensApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM

And aren't those planes a failure so far?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM

Canada spend 250 mil on the PLANS, that were already drawn, for war ships.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

...yeah yeah yeah, but Ian remember the teahesrs at school always saying eat your veggies coause there's poor starving kids in India or Africa or whereever. My point is there are kids starving right here in Pennsyltuckey and anywhere else America.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM

We need to think globally to act locally.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:35 PM

Debt, just another method of controlling the population...

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:36 PM

Not majority, money rules the world.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:36 PM

Also, focusing on our veterans and reducing sexual assult in the Military might breed a smarter defense of out diplomacy.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

but like Lee has already said. the US,and others.NEED poor,hungry people. its what keeps the big fucked-up fat shitheads in power

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:36 PM

The states is outta money, but the taxes still roll in. Where that money goes is the problem, the people who deside where to spend it.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:37 PM

Yes Jane, they were still starving and I got fat!

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

3.6 million kids under the age of 5 starve and die every year.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

I am admiring the inspiration from this tawk.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

Join the movements happening.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

There is enough to feed the world. It's just missdirected.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

stop working jobs that are screwing us over.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

you know how much food is wasted each year? this is just for the UK,hate to think what it is in the US - http://england.lovefoodhatewaste.com/node/2472

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

exactly lee.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

its beyond that eleanor.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:39 PM

Yes Women are good men are bad

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

But is politics also crushing women. The Religious Right and Conservative policies around the world?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

its the whole social way women have been treated for thousands of years.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:39 PM

america wants world domination,and wo-betide anyone who crosses their path. Example - russia,syria,ukraine - need i go on?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM

simone de bueovoir, Look her up and see what she saw. it IS true.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

Is focusing on corporate greed missing a larger issue. That most politicians are male and are not aware of issues women actually go through.

Robin MaynardApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM

yes, lucy, that sharks at the top do think like that. not all of us.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM

The 2 party system is designed to distract us

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM

..we spend 2 billion on our pets alone

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM

then look up helen crouix, mind has no gender, as long as the environment is equal.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

money out,voters in...right,Eleanor?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

*sigh* I want you have E.

Emma CowanApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

There is plenty of wealth throughout the world, problem is it is unequally distributed. The US has more than enough resources to fed the starving children in their own back yard

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

Absolutely, Eleanor!

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:41 PM

Err....that came out incorrectl. Carry on.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:41 PM

WTF really?

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM

How much is money and power is enough?

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM

There is only one solution, women and men must stand together for equality.

Emma CowanApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

Starving children in the developing world can be as a direct or indirect result of imposed corporatisation

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

How many democrats have spoke up about the eradication of our Constitutional rights and abortion rights?

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM

Feeding the poor would not be as profitable.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:42 PM

money can say what you want to hear.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:43 PM

#Vote3rdParty.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:43 PM

Jesse ventura for president, why are only few people talking about him.

Jane SmithApr 8, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

@Michal...I saw that video of the whistleblowers aka McDonald's managers...sickening what they did to MAC workers.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:44 PM

Each person is unique and has different qualities. Why we should pay be the same. No two people are going to have the same benefit.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

Dems, Republicans... makes no difference when you're bought and paid for.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:44 PM

The children will have no world left, nor any other life form, if we continue to let the rape of the planet continue.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

I watch RT, TRNN, TDPS, LipTV, TYT, AAl-J America, BBC, and Seculr Talk.

Chris OwensApr 8, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

The pro choice and equal pay lobbyists aren't as well funded as pro fracking and pro GMO lobbyists.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:45 PM

Oh, and anything with Ana K.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:45 PM

Vote jesse ventura, push for resource based economy.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:45 PM

i'm surprised it took you this long to say that,Lee :-)

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM

stop working for the pipeline, goverment military and police.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Women are hot when what they speak or sing about inspires me to change the world (If only in imagination.)

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM

If we talk Repubs and Dems we are asting time

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM

These poor people need to go out and get a job. Yup, that and another tax cut for the rich should do it!

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM

This is what attracted to me to Rooftop Revolutionaries.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Whe I heard Eleanor on BTS, I was scared and inspired.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:46 PM

We need to get past this looks thing. look at the renisanse age, fat was buetifull back then.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:47 PM

its environment people.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:47 PM

Drones are now called unmanned arieal vehicles. Be careful when you buy a quadcopter.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:47 PM

iWhat is hot now might not be hot tommorow. beuty is in the eye of the beholder. ever hear of a chubby chaser?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:47 PM

I thank you forthiking. ^.^

Emma CowanApr 8, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

resource based economy - live within our means - right - easy for people like us to support, asking the rich to meet us in the middle and to stop living to excess - unlikely

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee is a regular on BTS. He needs to have his onwn show there.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:48 PM

giving fashion tips now,Lee

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

WTF are doing here Lee? Get Abby to tell you to Laugh The Stage!

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

Fat was beautiful and the elderly were prized for their knowledge and life experience.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:49 PM

nvm. lol

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:49 PM

We need to get over the idea that our body is for looks and realize it helps our spirit and mind do things.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

What's BTS?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:50 PM

So do the non-standard bikini line.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

#BikiniKill !

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:50 PM

bts is awesome.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:50 PM

this corporatism debate is deep

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:50 PM

back,sack and crack....

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

Don't shave if you don't want to. Don't wear make-up if you don't want to. Have sex if you want to. Smoke weed if you want to. Just do it if YOU want too.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

why has there never been a female president? or even one that has come even close to getting there? why do they not stand up?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

Reduce ones own addiction to make-up, raxzors, shampoo, ungoldy chemicals on your body...

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM

stop watching tv and taking the stereotype and biases on as our own, think about it, Blonds, skinny, tight pants, it never used to be this way.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM

Many males in upper management don't shave their balls, as they don't have any.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - thats whats happen with Hilary. love her or hate her

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

They would have to kill me to push me down, it might happen too, they WILL go that far.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

If we are equal, why do we care if the rpesident is man or woman? I prefer whoever is better for the job.

sherry cabralApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

historically, men hunt gather and play at teams, women learn to compete with each other for the best hunter gather and player. is it possible it's more difficult to get women on the same side? work or stay at home? or anything?...

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

And make sure that people in the corporate world know the difference between sexual exlplotation and sexuality.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

at least the uk had a ballsy women PM. even if she was a bitch from hell...

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

Lucy, it's coming soon... I hope.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

Lucy, Why does it have to be a women...whjy not the best candidate?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

I used to think that, but I will vote for most issues I find relevent; which, btw, are geared toward giving women more choices.

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

@ThatGuy - to me,i dont care if you are male,female,whatever. if you are true to your word,i'll vote for you

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

i disagree, its ALL competitive, markets, game, even an augument, people cannot admit they are wrong. its sad really, it should be a joyous to learn something new not bashed.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

OR maybe they are smart enough NOT to run for office

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

Since when does the best candidate get to be president?

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

trouble is,most politicians arent that true

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

mind has no gender.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

OR they DONT want to be CEOs because there are fewer asshoel women

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM

to say one sex is smarter then the other is complete bs.

Daniel QualkinbushApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

As long as the MSM in our country is controlled by male centric corporations, women will face an uphill battle for equality. Perhaps this is a good place to focus efforts for change?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

Since when did a woman's body or her sexual partners or her sexual politics become fodder for things that don't even apply to the issues?

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:56 PM

If anyone here thinks we are going to fix this shit by voting, they are sadly mistaken....the game is rigged

Lucy DyerApr 8, 2014, 11:56 PM

@Micheal - one word PORN

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

Not until we take campaign donations out of the equation.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:56 PM

since they knew that if we are fighting eachother, its easier to control us from attacking the rich in control.

Chris OwensApr 8, 2014, 11:56 PM

There should be more people like Elizabeth Warren in DC, regardless of gender.

Red SnapperApr 8, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

If voting in and of itself changed anything...it would be illegal.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:57 PM

LOL exactly red.

Chris OwensApr 8, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Can we get rid of lobbying too?

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:57 PM

Be way of those that graduated from institutions are elite and receive corporate endowments.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM

BAH, i have many university friends, I have complete grade 9, they always seem to be impressed with what i can do.

Chris OwensApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM

@Lee She definitely has an endless uphill battle ahead.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM

I rather get rid of political ads funded y entities that are not even in my own state.

Mike DwornikApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

Elizabeth Warren would be fine if we had a congress and got rid of at least half of the supreme court.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

Corporatism does NOT discriminate. It fucks everyone.

Michael CrumpApr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM

They follow-me around on Youtube and Gmail.

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM

education is not a process of telling and being told, but an active and contructive process. schooling is training for slavery.

Emma CowanApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Women are already second class citizens in many developing countries as a result, they are much easier to exploit. Also they play a duel role has home keepers and 'paid' workers so they are under pressure to perform in a rapidly developing world

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM

Supporting a repub or dem will NOT fix anything

Red SnapperApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM

The Democrats are not the left, they are the other Rich Man's wing....what about genuine lefts like Kshama Sawant

kelly mackinApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM

did tesla, jaque, leedskalin and many other great minds go to university? NO.

That GuyApr 8, 2014, 11:59 PM

Parties are just anotehr divide and conquer

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

The Secular Party; is that something I can be a part of?

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:00 AM

I read everyone's profie. I got bored. lol

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:00 AM

so true emma and it is messing us up, we need equality.

Lucy DyerApr 9, 2014, 12:00 AM

thanks for a great Tawk,you two. there wasnt much i didnt agree with. :-)

Mike DwornikApr 9, 2014, 12:00 AM

Dealing with congress is like dancing with two right feet.

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

Thank you to the both of you!

Mike DwornikApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

Thanks everyone!!!

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

#VirtualHuggies

Daniel QualkinbushApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

Thank you yet again for hosting these sessions!

Lucy DyerApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

*pounces huggles everyone*.....

Emma CowanApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

@That Guy - very true!! but I would argue that there definitely is a gendered dimension to expolitation

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

This discussion seems to be missing points by making generalisations. We are living in the worst economic crisis in living memory, across the world rights hard fought for are being lost. old norms are being razed to the ground

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:01 AM

And any women inspired by this tawk, plz PLZ wirte some ideas down. we need philosophies from female perspective to bring balance.

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:02 AM

Ah, Free and Equal?

Lucy DyerApr 9, 2014, 12:02 AM

see? thats wasnt that revolting. :)

Daniel QualkinbushApr 9, 2014, 12:02 AM

Rockin!

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:02 AM

Venus project.

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:02 AM

Christina Tobin!

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:03 AM

And will someone smash patent laws so I can create and not get killed for sometging good.

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:03 AM

Whilst some norms are destroyed (like the necessity of a women workforce post WWI) others are strengthened/maintained like that of women expected to carry out domestic (unpaid) labour and now expected to work as well...But what is exploitation? Who

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:04 AM

does it serve? Is it purely gendered, racial of sexual? Or is it orientated towards Class division and control?

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:04 AM

I wonder if getting paid for housework is something one could economically validate?

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:04 AM

here is a good one, why do women not get a pension even though, they did a huge part in taking care of people while men worked?

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:05 AM

Should women, who do a family's housework file a 1099 and become self-employed entrepreneurs?

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:05 AM

because women are EXPECTED to care for others, it is a bodily function.

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:05 AM

interesting idea.

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:06 AM

Now we are entering 'Recovery' (so we're told by economists...sure them boys never feck up!) and we're still being shafted, yes it's gendered in that women are disproportionately affected, but it is ultimately a class oppression, an exploitation of

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:06 AM

More to the point; can the umployed, who are searching for a job; list "finding a job" ; as a business expense?

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:06 AM

one class by another for its own economic interests

kelly mackinApr 9, 2014, 12:07 AM

micheal, I have some stuff for that, I just have to go now. I will see you all again another day, love you all, have a good life.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:07 AM

you've hit it square on the head, red.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:07 AM

see ya kelly

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

Next Tuesday is "Pay our Government Day."

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

ugh

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

Women should be no more expected to care for others/carry out domestic labour as man is expected to be masculine, love sport and not be Gay.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

yer so right, red.

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

April 15th should be national holiday since it is technical, federally subsidized.

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:08 AM

And I'm saying that in a manner as such states that No one is expected to do anything based solely on their gender.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:09 AM

we should get SOMETHING out of it!

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:09 AM

that would be nice, red.

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:10 AM

Gonna put this straight, the problem isn't gendered exploitation...it's exploitation full stop, stopping corporations doesn't stop it...stopping Capitalism does

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:10 AM

any ideas how to do that?

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:12 AM

I'm all tawked out.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:12 AM

have a good evening, Michael

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:13 AM

I'm a Marxist, I believe in the power of ordinary people, people who work hard, who have to sell their skills and labour to survive this world, to stop thinking of themselves and start thinking for themselves. To replace this system, usher in true

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:13 AM

democracy where people actually manage and have a say in the economy...not a bunch of sociopaths in suits

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:14 AM

those darn sociopaths have an awful lot of power

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:14 AM

84% Green; 83% Democrat; 78% Libertarian; 44% Socialist; 25% Republican.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:14 AM

yer percentages don't add up. what you talking about?

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:15 AM

I took a pew poll and in-depth questionnaire to find out wat party platforms I gravitate too the most.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:15 AM

i don't know much about marxism, but i like what i have seen

Michael CrumpApr 9, 2014, 12:16 AM

I'm more of a technoprogressive / Transhumanist.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:16 AM

hey now, that sounds great!

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:17 AM

But not to detract, this discussion is about women, Capitalism is a system that lives through the making of profit! How do you maintain good profits? You divide people, you pay women less...you market them as sexual objects, you invest in Porn

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:18 AM

icky! but,ya, sounds like the M.O.

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:18 AM

You take over half the worlds population and turn them into domestic slaves, and pieces of sexual meat. You bleed them dry. This system continues to profit to the tune of millions by making young women develop insecurities around self image, beauty,

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:18 AM

yep, it is abhorent

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:20 AM

fashion etc SO THEY CAN SELL PRODUCTS. This isn't about treating women as lessers because of some age old ideals...it's maintaining repeat custom and protecting a commodity. Only a break in the system allows for real liberation for women.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:20 AM

here's an ebook i am liking. called. "how to save the world" i hope it gives that info at the end. http://cdn2.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2014/01/How-To-Change-The-World.pdf

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:20 AM

a break... like stop buying their crap?

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:22 AM

You can stop feeding water to the weeds, but others will find them water. Individuals boycotting doesn't work...there must be a real decision to fight for system change, this doesn't happen through a ballot box. We must organise

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:23 AM

ok. i'm no leader.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:23 AM

but i like ideas that WORK. that can show results.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:24 AM

what do you propose?

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:25 AM

no one person can sit there and have a plan. A global problem requires a global solution, and it's through the participation in grassroots action at a local level by ordinary people that gets the ball rolling. Rome wasn't built in a day but it had to

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:25 AM

start somewhere

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:26 AM

= D ok. you are right, of course.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:27 AM

its going to take a while to effect the big changes. i hope we have time.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:27 AM

gonna take a while, i hope we have time.

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:28 AM

haha lagging. maybe its time to quit

Red SnapperApr 9, 2014, 12:28 AM

Two life lessons: 1. If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything, 2. Don't write a cheque with your mouth that you can't cash with yer ass!

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:29 AM

= D

Robin MaynardApr 9, 2014, 12:29 AM

there are many roads to the same destination