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Jun 17, 2014

Jordan Birnbaum
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Jun 17, 2014

Life has happened, and we've been out of our loop for a few weeks. Let's Tawk about everything and nothing with our ether-friends. <3

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:00 PM

Hi! Hello! How is everyone???
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:00 PM

hello hello!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:00 PM

OhmygoshI'vemissedyouguys!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:00 PM

are we forgoing the space bar for this tawk?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:01 PM

Just for that breathless comment. :)
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:01 PM

so catch us up - what;'s been going on?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:01 PM

Grammar and punctuation are, after all, only designed to reflect the pattern of speech.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:01 PM

Fuuuuck, Dude!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:01 PM

lots?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:01 PM

You would not even believe!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:02 PM

you moved, right?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:02 PM

I sure did!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:02 PM

I am a proud Chattanoogan, right this very moment!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:02 PM

I love the song Tennessee by Arrested Development
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:02 PM

Hahaha!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

Chattanooga isn't Tennessee.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

I mean, it IS, but it isn't.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:03 PM

it's like Austin is to Texas?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

'Nooga is...'Nooga.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

Yeah!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:03 PM

A hippie commune in the middle of white supremacy?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

And further, I live in St. Elmo, which is like my dream of a neighborhood come true!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:03 PM

Yeah, man.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:03 PM

nice
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:03 PM

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hello!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:04 PM

hey bud!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:04 PM

I mean, yesterday morning, someone came by my house to GET MY RECYCLING!!!!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:04 PM

is that a rarity around the country?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:04 PM

I'm so NY-LA centric, that's just normal
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:04 PM

But, hey, JB - my in-laws are on to the emotional affair that we've apparently been having via this forum.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

So, I guess it's over?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:05 PM

lol
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

:p
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

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im totally cool with this, by the way

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:05 PM

with our Tawks?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

The over part, or the affair part?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

Yeah, I guess so.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:05 PM

THIS is what happens when old people try to understand the internet.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:05 PM

oh that's cute
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:06 PM

Hahahahaha. Right?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:06 PM

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its sadly true.

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:06 PM

we're like a bunch of radio DJs on here. so was it a strange experience living with the in-laws?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:06 PM

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so tell everyone about the move and how massive it was

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:06 PM

moving is not fun
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:06 PM

Just...don't.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:07 PM

actually, packing is not fun
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:07 PM

Unless someone is dying already, don't live with the in-laws.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:07 PM

unpacking isn't so bad
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:07 PM

And...moving is...well, around the Westbrook Toker household, we go big or go home.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:07 PM

that's a double meaning
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:07 PM

And I guess I did both.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:07 PM

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hi hello everyone! :)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:07 PM

Oh man, you beat me to it!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:07 PM

wassup Rach!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

Hey, Rach!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

How are you, Girl???
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:08 PM

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Welcome Rachel and everyone else

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

Hey, Seth!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:08 PM

seth - your FB posts are hilarious, btw
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

HI! :D and hi Seth! :)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

Indeed!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I'm alright working like a dog for half the pay :p

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

they are?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:08 PM

I liked "how to turn #1 into #2!"
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:08 PM

Hahaha! Hochmann, not Toker
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:08 PM

lol - double set6h
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:09 PM

or is it seth squared
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

Oh, it's Seth squared.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

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Seth ^2

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

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...doesn't happen to often

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:09 PM

so...how about Iraq?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

What about it?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

I heard news yesterday.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

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its sad

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:09 PM

I'm horrified on so many levels
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:09 PM

WTF?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:10 PM

What is going on?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:10 PM

I just got internet THIS MORNING!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

everyone knew it was bound to happen

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

so what did we expect

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:10 PM

Basically, the sectarian violence between Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds that has been going on for 2,000 years has resumed
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:10 PM

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right

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

only sadams iron fist of shittyness kept them apart

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:11 PM

It turns out that an oppressive dictator like Hussein was keeping things somewhat in check - even tho he was committing atrocities himself
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:11 PM

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I heard we were even entertaining the idea of fighting with Iran

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:11 PM

it's crazy
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:12 PM

but the REAL culprit here?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:12 PM

the redrawing of borders in the middle east following WWI
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

some party will have some majority somewhere and use the leverage to gain some goal of theirs to the detriment of the other group. it was the goal from the start

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:12 PM

tru dat
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

True as awful as Saddam was...he was just one devil...now there are 100's

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:13 PM

Yeah - I mean,that's been the biggest critique of the war this whole time...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:13 PM

exactly
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

they NEVER fought over the lines in the sand

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:13 PM

I feel sick.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:13 PM

Because we all know it doesn't have to be this way.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:13 PM

in so many ways, the Middle East and Africa are still suffering the lingering effects of colonization and external dogma
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:14 PM

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before ww1

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:14 PM

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The upside is television and the internet is westernizing the entire world

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:14 PM

The whole damned world is still suffering the effects of colonization and external dogma!!!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:14 PM

because we go into a country and make decisions without understanding the ramifications - so much of the bloodshed in Africa is the result of Westerners having no understanding of tribal conflicts
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:14 PM

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it's like an arsonist telling you how to put out the fire!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

the amazing part about this is the people who created this whole mess--Cheney, Woflowitz, and most of Fox News--are the very ones 'advising' us on what to do now and what a lousy idea it was to vacate

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:14 PM

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power corrupts :/

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

and that leads to inprovements for women and children

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:15 PM

yes Seth - that's the other part of this that is making me so crazy - the media coverage and the talking heads
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:15 PM

You know, in most dysfunctional families, there is one parent is crazy, and another parent who doesn't do anyting about it
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:16 PM

in this case, the architects of the Iraq War are the crazy parent, and the news media is the enabling parent
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:16 PM

Well, further, Jordan, it's the sanctimony and the opinions that we go in with - the lense that we see the whole thing through.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:16 PM

I think that's an apt assessment.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:16 PM

The dysfunctional simile.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Exactly JB...

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:16 PM

I keep seeing the same men who were so wrong having their opinions solicited as though they have expertise, when they proved they know nothing
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:17 PM

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It would be like asking Anthony Weiner advise on sexual harrasment

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:17 PM

That's because we're short-sighted.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

exactly creating a pre-existing bias in people before going in has caused all sorts of problems and horrific acts!

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:17 PM

Hahahaha. Seth H said Weiner!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:17 PM

lol
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:17 PM

so I'm sad about what is revealed about the human condition from all angles on this situation
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:18 PM

the hatred, the violence, and the designed stupidity
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:18 PM

I received a lot of training on how to slow down and ask people what they actually want and need in a format and forum where I could get real answers in Peace Corps.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:18 PM

but I also got a heavy dose or agenda brainwashing.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:18 PM

that's what happens when intentions are pure
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:18 PM

So really, i don't think we even know how to see conflict without bias.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:19 PM

so what else is happening?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:19 PM

lol
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:19 PM

Well, what about you?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

ugh the whole thing gives me a headache sometimes, we need to start acting more morally and compassionate on a WORLDWIDE scale... this petty fighting does no one any good, except those in power

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:19 PM

I know you're back to the grad school mill.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:19 PM

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OUR INTERNET IS 1GB/SEC...

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

BAM!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

THAT!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:20 PM

yeah - working on school work and my own project.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Well we didn't really have any designed strategy for Iraq: it was basically to get some oil and give free businesses to the previous admin's supporters

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

Yep.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

But at least we found the links to Al-Qaeda and the WMD ;-)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

true seth H

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:20 PM

yes - it's that kind of short term thinking that characterizes our reality
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:20 PM

But wait - our internet is now one gig/second.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:21 PM

Are you jealous. :P
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

it's like you guys just shot forward 15 years in a time machine
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

well some of us are working on phages and micro miniturization that might save us all...

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:21 PM

Fuck yes, we did!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

I saw that Rebecca, regarding Chattanooga's Internet

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:21 PM

I have a meeting with a lady to work on community garden planning tomorrow!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

cool
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

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whoot

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:21 PM

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i quit one job

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:22 PM

which one?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:22 PM

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got another and the first called and offered a better deal

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:22 PM

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But that's socialism Rebecca, we don't like that in 'murica

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:22 PM

Hahaha!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:22 PM

only in America can the concept of "sharing" be labelled as evil
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:22 PM

Well, Ron Finley is my hero...and we do still sing This land is Your Land, so i think we DO like that in 'Murica!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:22 PM

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I like socializm

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:22 PM

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Can't we just have a 'free market' of say one company, Comcast, controlling everything and gauging you for it

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:23 PM

what's the latest with net neutrality
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:23 PM

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holy shit that is awful, seth H

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:23 PM

Blegh.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:23 PM

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we are all doomed

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:23 PM

It's still on the chopping block.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:23 PM

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Disappointed in Obama regarding that one

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

Disappointed in Obama on everything
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

basically the internet is going to be designed to be like cable tv

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

thats the big idea

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Tom Wheeler who he appointed has been a lifelong hor, eh I mean lobbyist for cable, not cool

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:24 PM

Hahahaha! Except...that's not funny 'cause it's true!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

yes, but individuals can't afford to broadcast like media companies can
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:24 PM

Exactly. :(
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

True JB but a lot better than the alternative

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

and who loves their cable? the service? the choices? the prices?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

imagine the entire internet like a big cable stream

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

Nooooooooo!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Not to mention Brian Roberts, Comcast's owner, was one of Obama's biggest fundraisers

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:25 PM

Back to the Obama question - I don't know, Seth - when I look at the policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama...
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

Incestuous bunch, aren't they???
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:25 PM

if I didn't know they were democrats
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

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i can picture them sixty-nining right now

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

something doesn't smell kosher in the kitchen

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:25 PM

(it's the 69ing)
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:26 PM

I just think that if Bush did any of the things that Clinton did / Obama does, people would be screaming mad
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:26 PM

too big to jail?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:26 PM

record deportations
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:26 PM

*sigh.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:26 PM

Honestly, though...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:26 PM

the TPP
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

He did a lot more JB, but everyone has blood on their hands

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:27 PM

we know it's not "Obama" or "Bush" - it's the Corporatocracy.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:27 PM

and Clinton - NAFTA, Glass Steagall, Media Telecommunications Act
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

True Rebecca...the Pres has a lot less power than people give him credit for

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:27 PM

I jsut think we evaluate dems and repubs on their talking points and NOT their actions at all
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:28 PM

You're entirely right on that, Jordan.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:28 PM

That's what we do for everything.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:28 PM

Isn't it funny how the democratic presidents have limited power but Bush got to do whatever he wanted?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

but he could have done more with the power he had/has

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:28 PM

That's why things like Truthout, etc. are pretty damned important...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:28 PM

Bush did WHATEVER HE WANTED
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:28 PM

but not used often enough!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:28 PM

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Well there are definitely differences...if Romney got in office, we never would've left Iraq and you could forget about any programs benefitting the middle class

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:28 PM

he ignored the law with no repurcussions
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

so much more, especially for climate change instead of trying to shove the tpp and the keystone pipeline down our throats.. and Monsanto

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

You mean Cheney did whatever he wanted JB

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:29 PM

Bush+Corporatocracy
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:29 PM

true, but the point remains the same
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:29 PM

He's their crowned prince.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:29 PM

I mean =
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:29 PM

as for Romney, how do we know?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:29 PM

Bush = Corporatocracy.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Bush played in his sandbox while Cheney pulled the strings ;-)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:29 PM

Romney = Corpporatocracy.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I don't think Bush was allowed to have an original thought of his own lol

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:30 PM

I'm questioning everything - we only think Cheney was [pulling the strings - how the hell do we know what was happening
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:30 PM

I don't think most presidents are, these days, Rachel.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

now that is a family you are screwed if you are unlucky enough to be born into...

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:30 PM

Or maybe for over a century.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:30 PM

and here's the thing - I WANT a woman president very badly...Elizabeth Warren is my hero
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:30 PM

Carter was "ineffective" as a President, but he's a sterling individual. Hmmmmmm...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:30 PM

but hillary Clinton is just more of the same machine
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

YES ELIZABETH WARREN! :)

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

He told us, in fact he wanted to double the military budget, which is already more than the next twenty-five countries combined

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah you are correct on that one

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:31 PM

Oh, Gid! Hillary!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

JB have you heard the guy speak. I was surprised he could even dress himself

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I can't even talk to people when they say Hilary is "the answer" we said that 6 years ago with Obama

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:31 PM

Honestly, Rachel, I think that you can't fix a broken system.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:31 PM

We have to scrap it and start over.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

when I see how the "liberal" media is allowing these proven idiots back on the airwaves...well, I don't know what oto trust
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

member when that dude threw a shoe at him Seth?? lol

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Well Rachel the truth is no "one" is the answer. We've a pretty lousy political system which needs to be changed and one person can't do it alone

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

I feel as though during the introduction of the New Deal we came closest to our potential as a country and society
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

It's rigged for billionaires and big businesses, more so than in just about any other country

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah, I know Rebecca... it sucks, like once a system has reached a certain level of corruption IS THERE a way to come back from it? That is a BIG question we need to answer I guess

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:32 PM

The school system, the economic system...all of these thigs are ineffective. But we won't just DO BETTER!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:33 PM

We can't keep patching it.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

We did JB, the whole point of the Reagan Revolution was to undue the New Deal

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

I know Hoch
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah we need MAJOR changes

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

well, we shop at the farmers market. thats meaningful, right?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

Yes Toker
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

but above all we need people WILLING to make major changes

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:33 PM

yes Hochman
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

a lot of smart seths around here
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

And strip power and money from the middle class and make the rich obscenely rich and powerful

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:34 PM

But why isn't the middle class angrier???
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

we are people willing, arnt we?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

one of the first things to go would HAVE to be our money.. scrap it get rid of it all

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

I think people aren't angrier because they are desperate
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

a thousand cuts is why

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

desperation is fear
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

I think the big problem is that people hope for the 'messiah' when in fact one person is very limited in DC

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

which would get rid of the rich vultures, but I don't know if people would let go of it

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:35 PM

Wow, all good points!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

war is peace!

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:35 PM

And people are afraid, yes.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

because they still believe one day THEY will have the money and the power... it has been SO embedded that that is our only worth

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

freedom is oppression!

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:35 PM

Afraid of what things would look like WITHOUT money. Or our hierarchy/class system.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:35 PM

I have friends who I know have a moral compass. They also have families and mortgages, and they work in the financial sector
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

people would have to forego materialism at least for a while until new systems were developed

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

I think Obama came in with great intentions and got frustrated by getting most of his agenda blocked and also he caved in to a lot of his backers

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:36 PM

and somehow that moral compass is suspended to allow them to make a living
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

On a more uplifting note, we still have Honey Boo Boo and the Kardashians :-)

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

that is so sad JB

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:36 PM

It's true.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:36 PM

and they don't even realize what they are doing, because they can't afford to
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:36 PM

I mean, to stay in public education, I would have to do that.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

Wade through the bullshit and cling to the notion that at least I was doing some tiny bit of good somehow.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

seth H, dont you know she is taking all that money and putting it in a college fund for her children?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

Or, at least, that I was doing what I had to to take care of my family.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Lol, I think she's stashing it away for her next four weddings Seth

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

i wonder, is it enough to vote with their dollars?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

stay where they are and let their wallets navigate this mess?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:37 PM

No, it's not enough.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

"Voting" and "voting with your dollars"
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

is a poor facsimile of action.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

Of change.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

It's like Recycling:
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:38 PM

I just feel that morality is completely logical, because it allows us to create a stable environment in which we can flourish
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

It's the least.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:38 PM

Of the 3 rs.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

but that's the thing there is more than ONE way to take care of someone, money isn't the only way and that is what we have been taught. I think those growing up with very little and learn compassion and empathy are far greater human beings and people

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

is that enough of an impact?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

i feel im sitting in an echo chamber.

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

lol
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

anyone?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

YES we need a moral/ethics counsel to take over for our government

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

lol...lol...lol
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

that was an echo...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

I wish voting was required, even if you could simply vote none of the above, since Democracy only works when people get involved. A big reason we've the people we do in DC is because of less than 10% voter turnouts

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

yes Hochman! compulsory voting is a WONDERFUL solution
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:39 PM

Morality is also a lense, Jordan. it's cultural. We have to do MORE than think morally.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:39 PM

shit, if jury duty is compulsory...
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

i laugh

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

that is a good idea, i must admit

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

In other countries, yes free ones, voting is required. How can you have Democracy with less than 10% of the people voting

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:40 PM

Actually, thta's an interesting topic - how do we define morality?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:40 PM

But, Hochman, convince me that it matters.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I get a headache over the voting debate, I see why we should and also why it does make little difference, especially realizing how much they suppress voters of color and the poor

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

but voting wouldn't be pointless if EVERYONE voted.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:41 PM

I vote for Romney or...someone else who is owned.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

The big reason Cantor lost, aside from being a d-bag, is that less than 5% of eligible voters turned out

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:41 PM

Bullshit!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

if everyone COULD vote no

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:41 PM

Voting wouldn't be bullshit if we had authentic choices!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

that too Rebecca!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

yeah good point
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Certainly don't miss him but it just goes to show a dysfunctional system

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

like let more than 2 candidates enter debates!

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:41 PM

To go back to the dysfunctional family metaphor, if your choice is an ass-whooping or no dinner...you still lose!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:42 PM

well, how about public financing and negative intentionally misleading commercials being illegal?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:42 PM

OMG!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:42 PM

We are not fucking children!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:42 PM

Politics is NOT fiction!@
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:42 PM

maybe that would start to change the independence of the candidates
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

preaching to the choir JB

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yep. and all those who are GENUINELY TRYING to help the people are suppressed and outnumbered

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

a constitutional amendment can't come soon enough to take away Citizens United and McCutcheon

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:43 PM

Sometimes, I want to expatriate to that world in "The Invention of Lying" where there was no untruth.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Westbrook Toker

hear hear, Seth H!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

and money out of politics all together!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

yeah that was a funny movie
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

But if everyone voted a lot of these corp. sellout, ass clowns would've never got in office in the first place

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:43 PM

I'm not convinced of that, H.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

the truth has become such a foreign concept to people they no longer believe in it. HOW FUCKING SCARY IS THAT

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:44 PM

I'm still struggling with the enthusiastic rejection of science
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Definitely true Rebecca...I'm not saying they would be angels

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:44 PM

Oh, crap!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:44 PM

I've been reading an old issue (2005) of Seed Magazine...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:44 PM

I just think that if you are going to reject science you should not be allowed to use any technology whatsoever.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I like the idea of democratizing the workplace, it might help, but there are always adminstrative things that can get in the way of TRUE non-biased voting in orgs

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

but in general elections there is much greater turnout and look how much better 2012 worked out vs. 2010

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

once we start accepting science, logic and ethics again, then we will be able to make things better

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:45 PM

And they were covering the 2005 rejection of evolution by the Dover, TN school board...
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:45 PM

2005!!!!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

if you're going to reject govt. you shouldn't be eligible to be a politician...

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

I don't see any Atheists running a Church

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:45 PM

lol Hoch
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:45 PM

Hahahahaha!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:46 PM

so - what is good in the world? the World Cup?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I mean science is the closest thing to FACT you can find... I don't understand how people don't understand this?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

USA beat Ghana yesterday

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:46 PM

Rick Rosner says Hi!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:46 PM

That's good!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:46 PM

wheres he at?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:46 PM

I do not care about soccer/ Except for the block party on Sunday. :)
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Hi back to Rick! :)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

I'm in just in time for this to end.

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:47 PM

woop - there he is
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I don't know those people in Brazil I feel for them...

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:47 PM

yeah Rach - they spend billions on stadiums that will be used four times only
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:47 PM

Brazil...has an even more distinct social schism.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:47 PM

and leave people imn unimaginable poverty
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

the world is a mess we need to scrap the borders and deal with everyone's shit like the one big dysfunctional family we are! lol

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:47 PM

Yes.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

So...the answer is either aliens...or a robot takeover.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

Thet's pretty much the only thing that
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:48 PM

plus, FIFA, a "non-profit" (with over a billion in the bank), gets ALL the money - Brazil doesn't get squat
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

is going to unite humanity.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

Oh, no way!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

FUCK FIFA!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

What's the bonus for Brazil, then????
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:48 PM

They go into huge debt...for what???
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:48 PM

I mean, you would think that climate change would get aded to the aliens / robot list, but NOOOOOOOO
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

and FIFA was found guilty of taking bribes

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I'm not sayin it's going to be aliens, but... aliens

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

lol

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

guess that's how Putin got the next World Cup

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:49 PM

We cannot agree on climate change.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:49 PM

We are doomed.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:49 PM

(and probably deservedly so)
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

no bonus for the people of Brazil, the government wanted it for a spike in tourism of something?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

Brazil the country takes on debt while a handful of individuals gain unimaginable wealth
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:49 PM

(payoffs)
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:50 PM

Yay, capitalism!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

corruption

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

and yet - walking around the city - there is a wonderful sense of community asround it
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

As long as big business can freely give money to politicians there aren't going to be any major global warming initiatives started

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:50 PM

Capitalism = Corruption = Corporatocracy
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

yeah
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well I hope their big offices get swept away in the typhoons first, day after tomorrow style!

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

lol
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:50 PM

anyone watching Jon Oliver's show on HBO?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:51 PM

Oooh, that's snarky, Rach! I like it!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:51 PM

It's AMAZING, and he did a great piece on FIFA's corruption
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

Same as show biz: pay them enough that they don't ask questions.

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Although remember Rachel if the same thing happened in this country protestors would be thrown in jail on some trumped-up disturbing the peace charge

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

us little people will be on the mountains of tibet or something high above that water! lol :)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:51 PM

No, I just caught one snippet of him being awesome a few weeks ago.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

@Rick which is why it is so nice to see people in show biz that actually care about people

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

John Oliver can get away with a little more because he's British.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:52 PM

he did this great thing to protest how climate change is presented as a debate between ONE scientist and ONE denier, as though they are equal in representation
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

People who watch FOx news can't understand his accent,
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

so they don't get too worked up.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:52 PM

so he brought out 3 climate change deniers and 97 climate scientists
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

hahahaha!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I love John Oliver! so sad Community got cancelled right after he re-joined the show! :(

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Don't you remember Occupy Wall Street over here Rachel where protestors were getting hauled away and being sprayed with pepper spray for exercising their supposed constitutional rights of free assembly

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:53 PM

and he yelled at the deniers, "I'm sorry! I can't hear you over the weight of scientific evidence!"
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:53 PM

Ha!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:53 PM

And, franly, the deniers look like they're from South of the Mason-Dixon.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:53 PM

Doesn't help their case.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:53 PM

You can see the souls of climate deniers shriveling into nothingness
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:53 PM

More teeth = stronger argument.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Did Fox ever get into the news business?

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

nope
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

maybe they would get it if that weight actually fell on them... all the papers... a ton of evidence lol

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:54 PM

LOL
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

thats a nice image
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

so...
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

seriously why would you be for more pollution and more fracking of drinking water if you're not an exec of an energy comp. what is good for the consumer about that?

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:54 PM

Oh, hey!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

like that nickelodean show with the slime, except with peer reviewed scientific journal articles! :)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:55 PM

This is funny! And cutting.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAqVmUciDSc&index=6&list=PLblxhEQYeadFpbYhpeSWgk1zS2dK7YqOk
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:55 PM

what is it?
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:55 PM

Jeremy Naranjo sent it to me.
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:55 PM

It's a self-derisive (and sapiens-derisive) music video.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Even if all the scientists were wrong, but I think they're very right, what would be the harm in having clean air and water and lowering the chances of toxic diseases

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:56 PM

About how when the world ends, we'll light it up with our tiny little screens.
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:56 PM

madness
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:56 PM

No kidding, H!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:56 PM

Or fairness? gender equality?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:56 PM

all right my amigos - I gotta hit the books
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:56 PM

A less-violent world?
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Not to mention our stupid oil kick is the very reason the terrorists we fight have money. Take that away and they would starve to death

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

our ironic existence

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:56 PM

yep
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:57 PM

Indeed!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

...this was an uplifting chat ;-)

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:57 PM

Hahahaha!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:57 PM

Y'all come visit me in Chattanooga!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:57 PM

I heard a quote that I'm paraphrasing, "Maybe human beings ARE the missing link."
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:57 PM

in other words, we're watijng to evolve into something else
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Next time a more positive subject...mustard

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:57 PM

I'll take you out to Taconooga - we will eat poblano-cheese tamales and you will think you've visited me in Heaven!
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

hey but at the end of the day at least we speak the TRUTH ;)

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Congrats on the new place Rebecca and Seth! :)

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:58 PM

grea to see everyone
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

And good luck on school work Jordan! Great tawk! :)

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

mustard lol

Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:58 PM

lol
Jordan Birnbaum

Jordan Birnbaum · 11:58 PM

have a good night everyone!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:58 PM

:)
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:58 PM

I think you're onto something JB!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:59 PM

Good night, Friends! I've missed you all!
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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

Good Tawking with everyone again

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Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

great talking to everyone night! :)