Lee Camp

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Keystone XL & Environmental Damage

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Eleanor Goldfield

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Feb 6, 2014

Comedian Lee Camp and rocker Eleanor Goldfield tackle the Keystone XL Pipeline and other environmental damage across the country...

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Welcome!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us - hi Lee!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Please say hi to the always-amazing Eleanor Goldfield.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

you always do such better intros than me

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Let's talk Keystone XL and environmental destruction, shall we??

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

So, starting off with Keystone...

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

By the way - one quick thing. Please copy and paste this URL to your FB or Twitter and let people know to join us.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

From Tuesday: Speakers at a Capitol news conference Tuesday urged President Obama to approve the pipeline following a State Department report last week that raised no major environmental objections.

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Sarah is right, the southern half of the KXL is operational.

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

The President seems to be just killing time before they slowly and painfully approve everything. Most people don't know the southern half is already operating.

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

They rebranded it the "gulf coast pipeline project" so that people wouldn't associate it with KXL.

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Allan

“tweeted via 2 accounts total 80,000 followers”

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Thanks Kevin!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

As they want it. Like with most earth shattering decisions, they want to wait and make it an insidious and quiet move

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Barbara Adams

“Hello from St. Louis, Missouri”

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“I know its running already I pay attention to Lee's Posts on FB”

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Josh - You are a man who knows how to remain informed!

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

So Eleanor - I'll play dumb. Why is the KXL a bad thing?????

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“Greets from oz”

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Steve Horn

“Via Ed Schultz: https://twitter.com/SteveAHorn/status/431209654723432448”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

ha! so now i have to do all the heavy lifting

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

Everyone also say hi to Steve Horn - one of the best environmental bloggers I know. He's brilliant on this stuff.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

well, first off that whole "no environmental objections" just screams of corporate cronies

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

no environmental objections - from who? the koch brothers.

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

If you have nitty-gritty questions about the KXL, Steve probably knows the answer better than I do.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

no shit.

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Allan

“i noticed the pipeline hugs the land to the west of new madrid zone. my thought is they know whats coming and this supply will be justified after a catastrophy”

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

By the way, for the northern half - they are not clear as to where it's located. They've even denied freedom of information requests

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

Here's the article about them refusing to give the FOIA information - http://keystone.steamingmules.com/foia-response-dos-no-digital-data/

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

there have been some great protests at several locations along the pipeline

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Mudloff

“http://www.popularresistance.org/renewable-energy-barn-built-in-path-of-keystone-xl-pipeline/”

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

Sara - try hitting "refresh"

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

thanks dennis - case in point :)

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

But of course you can't see me say that

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“They say its going to lessen our dependence on foreign oil but all the oil that will be piped down is going to be exported.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

here's another one: http://tarsandsaction.org/

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Parry Nattkemper

“In the northern half the pipeline is supposed to go through Lakota lands and the natives are ready for stepped up resistance if its approved”

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

People say it creates jobs - just like there are jobs when you murder someone. You have to hire someone to clean the carpets and dispose of the body.

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

Jobs does not equal good.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

there are so many potential jobs to be had in green energy

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

We could create jobs building wind turbines too!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

but the gov't has to invest in that as opposed to oil sludge

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kellie Franklin

“I heard estimates of only creating like 500 jobs”

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“They were talking about to build the pipeline I believe Lee and those are temporary jobs.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

and imagine the horror when there's a solar panel toxic leak, or a wind spill...

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“<<<<New Orleans knows about BP.”

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

The money the Pipeline will make will almost entirely go to a very few billionaires.

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“In case you miss what I typed in early today. I want to know what they will do with the massive amount of nuclear waste that the tar sands contain when it is processed in the US. Specifically the uranium and thorium”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

mithcell, they'll most likely bury it

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kellie Franklin

“lol...wind or solar spill”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

like they do with everything else

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

and then if it leaks, ooops

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

I do fear the wind spill that could take out everyone.

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

I did a video about how we just want our energy to be more dangerous - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxhnIMynvQ4

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Danny Belcher

“I am looking at a globe right now....and why the need for a pipeline....can't they just open the slickest and let the oil just run downhill from Alaska to Kochville?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gav Leng

“The whole idea of using tar sand is rediculous, its so toxic and hard to process they've got to sell it at knock down prices anyway”

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Does the toxic sludge they will bury have ELECTROLYTES? It is what plants crave.”

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

Gav - You're right. It's incredibly toxic

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Geary

“Tell me again why we don't get to vote this thing down?”

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

And tar sands sinks to the bottom of water, as opposed to floating. Look at Mayflower, Arkansas

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

Same reason we don't get to vote fracking down

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

The spill there is still at the bottom of the water.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

BC it's corporately sponsored.

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Bill Deagle was/is talking a lot about fukishima and how eventually if they don't clean up the mess, Tokyo will have to evacuate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gjyvz41cPk

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

Fukushima is another cluster fuck. They were trying to fix holes in the reactor with duct tape

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

duct tape

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

The real reason there's no input from the people on this is because both the GOP and Dems essentially agree on it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“I believe they got us by the balls on this one, because of the corporate model, nothing happens local anymore so you have to drive, and they don't give a crap about sustainable cars enough to make them mandatory.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

well Daniel, car companies would'nt make money off of that

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Just as they agree on 90% of the structural issues of this country.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

it's the same reason why LA literally buried their trolley system

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Mudloff

“KXL sponsored the Nebraska state fair last year. People are drawn to baubles and shiny things.”

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Dennis - There were shiny things?? How do I get there??

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“Greets Eleanor & Lee ty for all your amazing efforts”

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Tokyo should have been evacuated after 80 days. In my opinion the people in the northern 2/3 of main island are dying a slow death and the rest of the main island needs to be evacuated.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

much like the mercury poisoning at minimata

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

slow, insidious

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:14 AM

there's still a gulf dead zone, and will be the foreseeable future.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:14 AM

corporations have no backlash for causing environmental damage

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Nope... People in Louisiana still want to fight for oil jobs.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“what about the 1000 dollar ticket and 1 yr probation for the gulf cover up, hell i paid more than that for a broke tailight in town here last year, what a buch of crooks.”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

And marine life in the gulf is washing up with tumors

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

It's pretty crazy

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“you would almost think they who destroy would realize they are destroying their own environment, too.”

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Sioux City Iowa had an elevated streetcar system before New York and Chicago. They used it to take people to work from town to the stock yards as well. Elevated rail did not block cattle and pig herds”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

it's an international issue as well. take a look at the nigerian oil pipeline

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

7,000 oil spills between 1970-2000. over 13 million barrles of oil a year. Equivalent of one exxon valdez every year for 40 years

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

barrels, not barrles

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

shell blames it on militants and exxon just shrugs and keeps pumping.

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Danny Belcher

“This reminds me of our congress a little bit.....elite conversation for a few on one side and every one else shaking their cages and lost in irrelevance”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Not only do they have no backlash, they get tax deductions for both the fines AND the clean up costs. (When they pay them.)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“they dont give a crap about this enviroment, virgin mobile prolly already has them shuttling to the next earth, like the movie elysium.”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“The clean-up of the oil spills is very toxic to the workers that clean it up. You could have asked the clean-up crew for the exxon valdez if any were still alive”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

aren't they actually building an elysium? lee, didn't you mention that on abby martin's show last week?

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

Oh yeah, that crazy island paradise for the rich

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

It's being built outside Nigeria

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

ha - how apt. right outside the never ending oil spill

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

Basically they're building a place for the ultra wealthy to avoid climate change disaster

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“Here is what needs to be done - if a corporation pollutes, especially if its repeatedly, they need to have their corporate charter revoked, their assets sold, and the proceeds used to clean up the nightmare they created and compensate the victims.”

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

And they're doing it a mile from flooded slums in Nigeria. ANd they're naming the first tower after an oil trading company

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

wow.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

almost speechless on that one

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

Absolutely, I've mentioned the corporate charter idea several times

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

The other thing that needs to be done is what Richard Wolff promotes - democratizing the workplace.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“Corporations might be a bit more careful if they knew they would lose everything for polluting.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“Hi Eleanor. Glad your here.”

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

Corporations need to be democracies because workers would not vote to pollute their own communities.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

thanks. me too :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“I'll believe corporations are people when texas executes one, until then they are nothing.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gav Leng

“If they removed their charters then the politicians wouldn't be able to get their wallets lined”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“How is the workplace even close to a democracy? The boss says to do shady shit and if you want your $8 an hour you do it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

that's the current situation, Joshua. Lee had a great interview with Wolff about the alternative

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

Josh - Did someone say they were? I missed that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

namely democratizing the workplace

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“I've personally been there. Engineers can't use the cost of fines as a financial incentive for environmentally clean project justification. EPA rules had their teeth pulled. Basically if it decreases a company's profit, the fine can be waived”

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

And we saw how the EPA works when they said the 9/11 rubble was safe.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

The EPA is about as good at protecting the environment as the Koch brothers

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“If they revoke their charters they will buy the office of charters and issue themselves a new one.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

Not if regulations are in place

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

It used to work this way

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

It can again

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

Daniel - Ha. That's why money needs to be out of politics. Many of these solutions have to come as a package.

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

Democratizing the workplace gives workers the power rather than mega-wealthy CEO's.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

speaking of solution, did you hear about freedom industries shipping that chemical solution to PA?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

to "clean up" coal?

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

They also tell us West VA is safe now, but I wouldn't want to drink water with a mysterious chemical in it. - Although I guess I do everyday.

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Money in my opinion needs to be removed from life, imagine getting up and going to work doing something because you are proud to do it and happy with it....for everthing no one wants to do make a machine to do it.”

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

And speaking of spills, did you see the 50,000 gallons of coal ash spilt in NC today?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

oh yeah

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Has the same feel of the West VA spill.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

an old pipe broke under a coal ash pond

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Does anyone know where to find schematics, contractors, technical specs on this "Elysium"?”

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Taylor - Not sure. But you can find lots of articles about it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

releasing ash and contaminated water into the dan river

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Apparently people in Danville, VA should keep an eye on their water.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

oh, and Duke Power had just last year been sued by the N.C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources for their handling of ash.

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Surprising that we haven't heard about more salt domes like the one with all the natural gas by Algona Iowa under the Ogallala aquafer”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

wonder if there were ever any regulations in place that could have prompted more action on that...

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gav Leng

“But in a press release they stated the water downstream not polluted......yeah right”

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

Eleanor - and I wonder if the mainstream media will cover it. They certainly forgot about WV pretty quick

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

yep, Gav - and that they have the whole situation under control and there's nothing to worry about...deja vu

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“They get bored with disasters. The sinkhole in Louisiana is still there they just don't talk about it anymore.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

i'm not sure. i saw an article in the charlotte observer

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

but my guess is if they do cover it, it'll be short and sweet and then on to who paris hilton is fucking or why our government is so great

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

It's really frustrating when they get bored with disasters - oil trains blowing up around the country, BP spill still festering, Arkansas, WV, and more. And the media only cares about Bieber and ridiculous shit.

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Ugh. and we just found out WV was another 50% worst than initially reported. "Oh, did we say this many millions of gallons?? Our bad." -- Freedom Industries.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“@Joshua - some do, I think it's being kept out of the mainstream news for a reason - they don't want people to know what is really going on down there and how bad it could actually be.”

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

And you know what's even more infuriating is that when people stand up to these environmental attacks in non-violent ways, they're trying to charge them with terrorism.

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/21626-is-freeing-a-duck-terrorism

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

A little reading for after the Tawk.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

and make it outright illegal to protest, as they did with fracking

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Because cheating on us with another article online is NOT ALLOWED.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

make protesting illegal, that is

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

The more they make simple protest illegal, the more we need to do it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

Exactly.

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Or they put up free speech zones.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

and not in their confined, approved spaces either.

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

Josh- Yeah, the free speech zones fenced in with metal barricades are my favorite!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

don't preach to the choir, call out to the crowd

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

I want to give them "police brutality zones" - fenced-in areas where they're allowed to beat protesters but nowhere else.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

ha! they'd fill up too quickly

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

I noticed some people talking about Fukushima earlier - anybody got updates?

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Greenpeace put out a pretty thorough article saying it's not the apocalypse but it's certainly not good for Japan.

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Yes, they've made it much more difficult to protest on site than it was when I was younger and trespassing at Diablo Canyon ...”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Pearce

“So what makes people think that the pipeline isn't getting finished as you type now ?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

I've heard that there isn't an immediate threat to the west coast of the US, but someone did mention that if left as is, it could precipitate on helluva big problem for Japan

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Robin - It is. That's why we're not happy.

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“I know somebody from Japan and she says its beyond any clean up.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

I've heard that as well, Joshua

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

That so much has leached that anything they clean up will really only be scratching the surface, literally

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

I did come up with a positive though - some people in India worship certain animals with mutations. So perhaps the marine life off the coast of Japan is divinely blessed.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Yep. Contaminated water under ground and is only gonna get washed out to sea. At least from articles I've read.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

Way to look on the bright, disfigured side, Lee!

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gav Leng

“On the plus side the Japanese have found a way to cure the homeless problem, send them to work at Fukushima!”

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

Gav - That's true. Apparently they're sending homeless in.

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Thanks Dennis for the positivity.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

Well, he is right. Eventually

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

Unless they find the fountain of youth in that god damn Elysium

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Mmmmm, sweet sweet Elysium.

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

If I get rich enough from the lucrative activist comedy biz, I'm gonna move to Elysium.

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“The thing about WV that really highlights how much our media doesn't care is that you can't even BATHE in the water. You can't touch it. Or go near it. It's not even like "Oh, it's a little not great for you."”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

to be used for flushing the toilet and putting out fires

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Eleanor -- they can find the fountain of youth and live forever for all I care -- as long as they stay on the island and never come back.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

I like george carlin's idea about putting violent criminals on an island, giving them guns and pcp

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

although, i'd like to augment that idea and make it corporatists instead

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“They also said it is OK when the data on toxicology for the cocktail of chemicals in the WV release is partially unknown”

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Best reality show ever”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

well mitchell, that brings up another point - in terms of cleanup or pre-emptively determining the environmental risk

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

I know, I've said we should send the ultra rich to an island - maybe they'll do it for themselves.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

all those scientists are on corporate pay rolls

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Well I still think Iceland is the best answer to all our troubles, kick em out, clear the books, and start over, new constitution, everything.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

just like the ones who say GMO corn is good for you

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

People love to point out that Iceland is no paradise - but it's much better than giving a fucking bananza to bankers.

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I'll pay for the fuel to get their planes of the ground if they'll just go the fuck away.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“The only ones we can trust are those who won't profit by lying.”

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

Guys, feel free to throw out other environmental topics.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

Fracking is another elephant in the room

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Technology is quickly solving our energy issues - but we need to have the tech be free, rather than corporate ruled.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

So nicely summarized by Obama as "safely and effectively using our own natural gas to fuel our country"

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

And the reason Fracking is pushed and oil and tar sands is because those are the energy sources that the corps can keep control of. And charge for.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Solar power is too much out of their control. Anyone can get it off their own roof.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Global Warming because of Cows Farting... I am about sick of it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

Exactly. Even though alternative energy can be taxed and made into a lucrative and more importantly, sustainable part of the economy

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Josh - Yeah but the reason is because we have factory farming and fill those millions of cows with corn, which they can't digest.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Food is a big one for me. Sustainability in our agriculture is an environmental issue. We're losing farm land to fracking, Monsanto's crack -- i mean corn for corn syrup -- and dumping on the herbicides.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“For financial reasons I've thought about moving back to my homeland in West PA, but fracking scares the crap out of me ...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“I worked on a roof of a Condo building here in New Orleans. We were refinishing the roof to make it the biggest solar building in the city. Being paid for by the Federal Government. ALL the solar panels came from Canada.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

Kimba - Yeah, fracking is pretty fucking terrifying. And it's pushed as much by the Dem politicians as the GOP.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

Joshua, that's awesome and awful at the same time.

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“We are sitting on the sidelines and being passed up by the rest of the civilized world.”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“I love the idea of democratizing the work place, Lee. I just learned of another company that is expanding and has been at it for over 40 years. Winco I believe was their name. People are saying they may well be able to give Wal Mart a run for it's”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

We so have the ability, and fuck knows we have the people to manufacture those ourselves

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“My favorite grocery stores are all employee owned”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

Everybody should indeed try to support the local, worker-owned businesses.

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

I wish it was easier for me to do that. But then again I should just try harder.

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“That's the next big thing for the Koch brothers - ruin the entire water supply and build a filtration industry to sell it back to us - when it is ours by right.”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Same here. I am on a gag on WV and can't say much”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Mitchell - You live there?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

well kimba, nestle is already selling us dirty water and calling it pure life.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

so hey, the future is here!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“We can all pressure local governments where votes mean more to divest from oil and do simple things like use solar panels.”

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

Something we haven't mentioned is the BILLIONS of gallons of fresh water that fracking requires! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/05-9

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Not only are they giving us earthquakes but they're doing it with all of our clean water.

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“I'm currently taking an online class on "How to Change the World" on Coursera. Climate change and Sustainability are the subjects this week.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

and the billions of gallons of contaminated water it leaves in its wake

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Wendell Peirce the actor from Treme built a co-op here in NOLA http://wwno.org/post/bringing-fresh-food-everyone-new-orleans”

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Nice.

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Something not talked about much - half the reason NOLA was flooded in Katrina was because oil companies had gutted the natural defenses - the mangrove forests in the delta.

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Greg Palast covers it in one of his books.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

that's right. erosion is a huge problem in several disasters

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

a lot of mudslides in california are caused by too much logging

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

Eleanor - and erosion of ideas and passion is the other half of the problem.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

well said, Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

erosion of engagement, growth of apathy

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Yeah. fracking is really energy reliant to accomplish. It's so weird. We just covered it at Best of the Left (including one of Lee's rants) & it's mind blowing. ( http://www.bestoftheleft.com/_795_it_s_hot_it_s_cold_it_polluted_climate_energy )”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

By the way everybody, Katie is another great Tawkers host. Hope you'll attend her Tawks!

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“once you get ppl to care about themselves then we will start to be able to engage them in other areas”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Every storm washes more and more away. And some politicians want to make Oil companies pay just because they use our state to make millions.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I just don't understand why it works to use SO MUCH energy to produce energy. What kind of bizarro circular logic is that?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

the kind that makes a few people a lot of money, katie

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Katie - yeah, it totally depends on what's being subsidized by the govt.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

which is really the keystone of this tawk and many others.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“So what to do? I've heard plenty of angry sentiments but nobody has really set down any plans for action. I understand that we can all do our own things as far as rejecting the system day to day, but what about beyond that?”

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

We subsidize factory farming while cutting food stamps. So hamburgers can be a dollar, when they should be 60.

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

We also subsidize the big banks. Without subsidies they would barely break even.

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Well only two currencies left to crash, ours and china's.....won't be long now till the fighting over food begins.”

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“For sure. If the oil required to do the tracking wasn't subsidized it would lose money.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

Taylor - activism.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

In short. Protesting, working with organizations to push initiatives through

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

Taylor - We've done many Tawkers exclusively on solutions, we also cover it at the end of almost every one.

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

PLUS, the first step is awareness. You can't stop what you don't understand or know about.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

“How about ending government subsidies? Imagine how little HFCS we would have if the corn subsidy never started.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Yeah, wasn't the amount of the big bank subsidies/bailout the exact same as their profits the last couple years? smh”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Or we could call subsidies what they are WELFARE!”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

There are many ways to protest - it's not only marching in the streets.

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

In fact there are more ways to protest now than ever before.

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“we need to win some local elections. Lee, do you have a location list so we can hook up with local fighters?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Question Everything

“Yes, if we ended subsidies for the oil companies it would actually be cheaper to use solar and wind than coal or oil.”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

Eric - I don't unfortunately. But I do agree that caring about local issues is important.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“Money talks - don't buy stuff that damages the planet! For example, I have a pod ( a 1971 VW microbus that I live in) but I don't drive it unless I absolutely have to.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“You protest with your money everyday. When you purchase something you are voting in the way the world should be.”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

Live simply. Avoid waste. That's another step.

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Owens

“Government subsidy reform could be a twak unto itself.”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“arg so sorry I missed this! helping my sister out with student loan trouble. :( and yes information is power! informing people is one of the easiest and best things we can all individually do to help”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

5 minutes left! Any other environmental calamities people want to discuss?

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

Rachel - I've never heard of someone having student loan trouble. How could that happen?!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Deforestation?”

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Manufacturing some shit in the US again would do wonders. We wouldn't have Lee's table being shipped back and forth across the ocean.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

That could be another tawk unto itself! A global issue indeed, Joshua

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

If you want to know what table Katie is talking about - It's here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-NgCQPN5ws

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

“It took me thirty years to pay back my student loans - and that ended up being mostly interest.”

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“haha! good one lee, we just sent a validation request to them though apparently a lot of times they can't validate the debt they want you to pay... i was shocked .. not lol”

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Maybe we'll do a tawk on student loans, even though I'm no expert.

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Pearce

“ending the unending consumerism is what is so unsustainable.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“one of the best things people can do is teach themselves to be as self-sustaining as possible. grow your own food if you can, reuse everything you can, and only by what you need”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

Absolutely Rachel - that goes back to the "what can I do" question

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

Robin - You're right and that's why I try to tear down the endless advertising and consumerism we're told to buy into. People don't seem interested in hearing that though.

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Steven Geary

“ihave about 50000 in expertise.”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Yeah all young people could use help from that. I am not in as much trouble as some people but it is still a overwhelming task of trying to repay this ridiculous amount back.”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Tennessee introduced legislation today to make college education free for all students who graduate high school...maybe it'll catch on nationally.”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

You guys are actually bringing something up that Eleanor and I wanted to talk about - Maybe we'll do a Tawk where you guys pick the topics, such as student loans.

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

“Sen. Elizabeth Warren is leading that fight as well I believe.”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Maybe we'll do that next week.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

ah yes - way to remember that lee!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

next week - we'll do a tawk based on your suggestsions, so let us know what you'd like to tawk about!

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

By the way, our time is almost up. Please feel free to keep chatting and coming up with answers! And please join me at Facebook.com/LeeCampComedian as well as LeeCamp.net

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Also go to Eleanor's website

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

And in the same vein of doing something - at 6pm tonight, there will be a twitter storm to get money out of politics!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

https://www.facebook.com/events/275761765959148/

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

We try to do these tawks every Tuesday (but it was wednesday tonight)

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“thanks Lee and Eleanor I am going to read through what I missed right now! :)”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Thanks everybody! Keep fighting, my friends!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:01 AM

Find me and the band: @rooftoprev @rooftopeleanor rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Love ya both from afar....Keep Fighting!!”

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Tawkers AdminFeb 4, 2014, 11:45 PM

Welcome to the comment section of the Tawk, where audience members can share their thoughts about the main conversation happening on the left. Don't by shy! Entering questions and comments is the only way to get the attention of the two Hosts on stage!

Sam WagnerFeb 5, 2014, 1:10 AM

Thanks for the invite, hopefully I remember this one this time!

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:40 PM

Thanks for not putting this one up against Kenny Pick's show on Tues nights

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:42 PM

I would like to bring up a major problem with the XL pipeline that I am hearing no mention of and perhaps you would like to bring it up tonight. That is that the material that the XLP will be transporting is also going to be somewhat radioactive

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:51 PM

Quoting Dan Syth, CEO of Geiger counter maker Medcom: " levels on beach are 5 to 10 times what you would normally expect to find on a beach... There are reports that a pipeline was once at this location and oil pipelines can collect heavy radioactiv

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:52 PM

Minerals.... Make sure that they don't inhale or eat the sand"

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:53 PM

My next comments should look to you like they are in reverse order

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:55 PM

As bad as the XLP is for carbon dioxide in the air, there is another problem. It will be carrying heavy radionuclides like uranium and thorium as well. So, by processing the tar sands in the US, Canada gets rid of having to dispose of the uranium,

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 2:57 PM

We should not be allowing Canada to use the XLP to transport the radioactive waste (actually called NORM) into the US to avoid exposing their population to it. How about 3 strikes you are out. Global warming, radioactive waste, always leaks.

Dennis MudloffFeb 5, 2014, 11:37 PM

While we are waiting here is a link to a Neil Young You Tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7hTATM4i_8

Dennis MudloffFeb 5, 2014, 11:38 PM

He is in Canada now fighting for the First Nations.

Kevin AllanFeb 5, 2014, 11:44 PM

thanx for the heads up denny i will be listening

Mitchell HeldtFeb 5, 2014, 11:45 PM

He was from a group that seems to have been outspoken my whole life

Dennis MudloffFeb 5, 2014, 11:46 PM

Kevin Allan #Masterofmanythings good to see you here. It is all chat there is no audio. .

Dennis MudloffFeb 5, 2014, 11:48 PM

Here is another one Neil's address to Calgary from a few days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVoR5HhL6WI

sarah elliottFeb 5, 2014, 11:59 PM

okay, here's the scoop lee...the pipeline's up and ready to go. my brother's been working on it as a heavy equipment operator since it's inception. not proud of it. his is the only kind of job that's being offered on the KXL...DIRT WORK.

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:00 AM

Sarah....what state?

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:00 AM

Sup, Eleanor. ;)

sarah elliottFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

the dirt workers can tell you exactly what kind of lame welders they employed...my brother just shakes his head.

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

Hello Lee and Eleanor, all.

sarah elliottFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

texas right now, just south and west of Rosenberg.

Carl DodgeFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

Hi Eleanor!

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

Glad to be here...interested to hear what you both have to say!

sarah elliottFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

he was in red wing mn, he was in Wyoming and Idaho, he is in Abilene right now.

Steve HornFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

So did you guys see this PR spin on The Ed Schultz Show today?

Cheryl RossiFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM

Hello Eleanor and Lee.

Kevin AllanFeb 6, 2014, 12:01 AM★ Spotlighted

tweeted via 2 accounts total 80,000 followers

Barbara AdamsFeb 6, 2014, 12:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Hello from St. Louis, Missouri

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:02 AM

OK Thanks.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:02 AM★ Spotlighted

I know its running already I pay attention to Lee's Posts on FB

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:03 AM

Well it's like a 7 billion dollar project. The question is how do we stop using the oil?

Steve HornFeb 6, 2014, 12:03 AM★ Spotlighted

Via Ed Schultz: https://twitter.com/SteveAHorn/status/431209654723432448

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:03 AM★ Spotlighted

Greets from oz

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:03 AM

Learning from the best.

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

hey from UK

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

I can tell you why its bad

Kevin AllanFeb 6, 2014, 12:04 AM★ Spotlighted

i noticed the pipeline hugs the land to the west of new madrid zone. my thought is they know whats coming and this supply will be justified after a catastrophy

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

i'd like to give you my perspective of the cull situation here oz

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

Hello Steve!

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:05 AM

to me it is a mass distraction technique

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:05 AM

sarah elliottFeb 6, 2014, 12:05 AM

i'm not seeing anything in the lee camp/Eleanor section.

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:05 AM★ Spotlighted

http://www.popularresistance.org/renewable-energy-barn-built-in-path-of-keystone-xl-pipeline/

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:06 AM★ Spotlighted

They say its going to lessen our dependence on foreign oil but all the oil that will be piped down is going to be exported.

Parry NattkemperFeb 6, 2014, 12:06 AM★ Spotlighted

In the northern half the pipeline is supposed to go through Lakota lands and the natives are ready for stepped up resistance if its approved

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:06 AM

Sarah try hitting refresh

Barbara AdamsFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM

Justified in case of catastrophe - what sort of catastrophe are you talking about. New Madrid faults line makes me think earthquake?

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM

while everyone was stirred up by their reaction to a very primal fear which is a misrepresentation of the true nature of sharks

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

I heard estimates of only creating like 500 jobs

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM

the gov here passed the dumping on the reef

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

They were talking about to build the pipeline I believe Lee and those are temporary jobs.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

<<<<New Orleans knows about BP.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:08 AM★ Spotlighted

In case you miss what I typed in early today. I want to know what they will do with the massive amount of nuclear waste that the tar sands contain when it is processed in the US. Specifically the uranium and thorium

William SuphanFeb 6, 2014, 12:08 AM

sunburns everywhere...

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:08 AM★ Spotlighted

lol...wind or solar spill

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:09 AM

Wind spill out of corporates ass.

Danny BelcherFeb 6, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

I am looking at a globe right now....and why the need for a pipeline....can't they just open the slickest and let the oil just run downhill from Alaska to Kochville?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Does the toxic sludge they will bury have ELECTROLYTES? It is what plants crave.

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

The whole idea of using tar sand is rediculous, its so toxic and hard to process they've got to sell it at knock down prices anyway

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Tell me again why we don't get to vote this thing down?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:10 AM

You don't have a million dollars Steven.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:11 AM

An oil pipeline spill near a California beach had 5 to 10 times radiation dose allowed for a nuclear worker

Barbara AdamsFeb 6, 2014, 12:11 AM

We do get to "vote it down" if we elect representatives that really represent us

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:11 AM★ Spotlighted

I believe they got us by the balls on this one, because of the corporate model, nothing happens local anymore so you have to drive, and they don't give a crap about sustainable cars enough to make them mandatory.

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

KXL sponsored the Nebraska state fair last year. People are drawn to baubles and shiny things.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Tokyo should have been evacuated after 80 days. In my opinion the people in the northern 2/3 of main island are dying a slow death and the rest of the main island needs to be evacuated.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Greets Eleanor & Lee ty for all your amazing efforts

Danny BelcherFeb 6, 2014, 12:12 AM

My last post was auto corrected from spicket to slickest

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

The first 80 days, they should have sheltered in place

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

Interstate 80

Barbara AdamsFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

all major us cities buried their street car lines and abandoned rail transport in the 50s and even as late the 60s

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

shared

Henok DanielFeb 6, 2014, 12:13 AM

Hello Lee and Eleanor!! Thanks for your great work.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:14 AM

I remember Waterloo Iowa's last streetcar. They made it into a park.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Nope... People in Louisiana still want to fight for oil jobs.

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:14 AM

Yeah I'd say the US is hella broken. The only way to stop this is to stop consuming it--I think it'll take 100-200 years.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:14 AM

They are brain dead.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

what about the 1000 dollar ticket and 1 yr probation for the gulf cover up, hell i paid more than that for a broke tailight in town here last year, what a buch of crooks.

Robin MaynardFeb 6, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

you would almost think they who destroy would realize they are destroying their own environment, too.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Sioux City Iowa had an elevated streetcar system before New York and Chicago. They used it to take people to work from town to the stock yards as well. Elevated rail did not block cattle and pig herds

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:16 AM

oh sry im off topic apologies, i thought when it was said environmental it was a broad term, sey i am very tired

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:16 AM

People here in Fl, upset by the BP oil splii, have now stood peacefully aside as we set up Fracking posts in the everglades. How could this end badly I wonder?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:16 AM

I went to Destin Florida in December and there was orange film on the water.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Not only do they have no backlash, they get tax deductions for both the fines AND the clean up costs. (When they pay them.)

Danny BelcherFeb 6, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

This reminds me of our congress a little bit.....elite conversation for a few on one side and every one else shaking their cages and lost in irrelevance

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

they dont give a crap about this enviroment, virgin mobile prolly already has them shuttling to the next earth, like the movie elysium.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

The clean-up of the oil spills is very toxic to the workers that clean it up. You could have asked the clean-up crew for the exxon valdez if any were still alive

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:17 AM

With all the environmental damage the corps are doing, it makes you wonder if they realize that their children are gonna have to deal with the mess they've made. Or maybe they have a moonbase or something we don't know about.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

They want volunteers to go to Mars forever.

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

It would be an awesome protest if everyone just got out of their cars in the middle of the road and walked away.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

won't find GMO"S in the seedbank they are keeping.

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

Comments are double posting or is that human impatience? lol

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:18 AM

In other words is you leave for Mars you can't come back.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:19 AM

When I used to design factories, I took all kinds of crap for doing things that were environmental even when doing it in an environmental manner was cheaper than polluting

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:19 AM

Is this place on top of a mountain?

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Here is what needs to be done - if a corporation pollutes, especially if its repeatedly, they need to have their corporate charter revoked, their assets sold, and the proceeds used to clean up the nightmare they created and compensate the victims.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:19 AM

@Kellie -- highlighted comments get reposted up top so host see them.

Robin MaynardFeb 6, 2014, 12:19 AM

is their escape plan going to work?

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Corporations might be a bit more careful if they knew they would lose everything for polluting.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Hi Eleanor. Glad your here.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM

I know this never ends well, but I seriously can't think of anything else to say ... Has anyone thought about going out and blowing the thing up? Not that I would, or anything like that ...

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

I'll believe corporations are people when texas executes one, until then they are nothing.

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

If they removed their charters then the politicians wouldn't be able to get their wallets lined

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

How is the workplace even close to a democracy? The boss says to do shady shit and if you want your $8 an hour you do it.

Henok DanielFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM

Arent corporations basically nations due to the TPP?

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

I've personally been there. Engineers can't use the cost of fines as a financial incentive for environmentally clean project justification. EPA rules had their teeth pulled. Basically if it decreases a company's profit, the fine can be waived

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

If they revoke their charters they will buy the office of charters and issue themselves a new one.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:23 AM

I know the epa has had it's teeth pulled but that can be changed - its a matter of getting people inot office who actually give a damn about the people of this country and the environment.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:23 AM

Well the thing with the 9/11 site was the dust I thought. That is how all the people had breathing issues.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:23 AM

Also the molten steel melting boots

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:24 AM

Hi Steve!

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:24 AM

You can't expect someone who smokes the stinkiest cigars possible to OK environmentally responsible projects. These people view projects that don't pollute as offensive. I've been pulled aside and reprimanded for decreasing employee injuries

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Money in my opinion needs to be removed from life, imagine getting up and going to work doing something because you are proud to do it and happy with it....for everthing no one wants to do make a machine to do it.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Does anyone know where to find schematics, contractors, technical specs on this "Elysium"?

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:25 AM

Are we too far gone and the game is so rigged there is really no getting it back again? That is what I fear. It is nice to chat about these issues, but it feels so helpless without power behind us!

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:25 AM

We don't have goats and farms to barter or trade anything with. They have made us dependent on the monetary system.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:25 AM

I'd say those plans are classified, taylor, they don't want us hacking it out of orbit.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:25 AM

Their were many things suppressed about 9/11. The wallboard gypsum degenerated to sulfer and turned into sulfer dioxide in the lungs. Very toxic to lung tissue

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:25 AM

@Kevin That may well be true, especially when you consider the salt dome collapse going on in Bayou Corn, LA. That is a nightmare waiting to trigger an apocalypse.

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:26 AM

Spilled coal ash was in North Carolina

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

Surprising that we haven't heard about more salt domes like the one with all the natural gas by Algona Iowa under the Ogallala aquafer

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:27 AM

i do im absolutely broke and every day i get and work for free to help save the innocent creatures in the ocean. im starving and im close to loosing everything, but you know what, my heart is big as a whales c:

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

But in a press release they stated the water downstream not polluted......yeah right

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:27 AM

Sorry, I just restated the obvious

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

They get bored with disasters. The sinkhole in Louisiana is still there they just don't talk about it anymore.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:27 AM

Perosnally to me it feels like they are exposing the corporations so the whole world can blame america for this corruption, capitalism, then they will bomb the shit out of us and control the new socialist world order, to the cheers of the nations.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:28 AM

Didn't most of the corporations come from America?

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:28 AM

getting us all broke in with walking dead.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:28 AM★ Spotlighted

@Joshua - some do, I think it's being kept out of the mainstream news for a reason - they don't want people to know what is really going on down there and how bad it could actually be.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:28 AM★ Spotlighted

Ugh. and we just found out WV was another 50% worst than initially reported. "Oh, did we say this many millions of gallons?? Our bad." -- Freedom Industries.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:28 AM

Most corporations are from UK

Kellie FranklinFeb 6, 2014, 12:29 AM

The media is useless, hopefully Comedy Central will tackle the issue...go, Jon Stewart

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:30 AM

so the EU corruption now equals the the total eu budget....great model for the system.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:30 AM

Country were company says that it is from is not as important as where the investors that hold the puppet strings are. Only the majority stock holder's opinions matter

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

Or they put up free speech zones.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:31 AM

People will have to be willing to die for what they believe in in order to win the protest.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:31 AM

Jon Stewart goes after Obama on a regular basis. Try actually watching it.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:32 AM

Like Saturday Night Live, I only watch the Daily Show's highlights after the show airs

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:32 AM

Haha, we could set up midget tosses for the cops at protests maybe they enjoy that...hahahaha

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes, they've made it much more difficult to protest on site than it was when I was younger and trespassing at Diablo Canyon ...

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

So what makes people think that the pipeline isn't getting finished as you type now ?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

I know somebody from Japan and she says its beyond any clean up.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:33 AM

fukashima @lee there is a new live radiation monitoring station up live on the internet for the west coast, you can see the dmg live.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:34 AM

That sucks too. Radiation gear isn't cheap you know...

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

Yep. Contaminated water under ground and is only gonna get washed out to sea. At least from articles I've read.

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

On the plus side the Japanese have found a way to cure the homeless problem, send them to work at Fukushima!

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

My complaint with most radiation detection for food is that they ignore alpha emmiters. Also, you always see the japanese with plastic bags around their detectors. Alpha is only not dangerous if you don't breath it in or ingest it and if there is a

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

bag or fish cale, you can't detect it

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

A good idea for those who wanna up their nascent iodine to help you family cope with the increased radiation is pink himalayan salt, get this and raise your iodine 300% over normal salt.

Dennis OwenFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

Were all going to fucken die!!!

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM

Sometimes the only thing I think that is in my power to do is to visualize a clean and beautiful planet. Where we are right now is so overwhelming it just makes me want to cry ...

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:36 AM

Eventually Dennis yes.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

The thing about WV that really highlights how much our media doesn't care is that you can't even BATHE in the water. You can't touch it. Or go near it. It's not even like "Oh, it's a little not great for you."

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:36 AM

@ Dennis. Some of us are prepping up. You have to go on a few watch lists to do it properly but...

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor -- they can find the fountain of youth and live forever for all I care -- as long as they stay on the island and never come back.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:37 AM

But with my income level and advances in modern science I can probably be looking at like 150 180 years.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

They also said it is OK when the data on toxicology for the cocktail of chemicals in the WV release is partially unknown

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

Best reality show ever

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:38 AM

With the formaldahyde in WV, there will be many getting cancer years from now. In organic Chem labs, you are not allowed to handle it without gloves, glasses and under a hood to take away the fumes. I feel bad for these people.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:38 AM

Richest 1% enter..... 0% leave.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

Well I still think Iceland is the best answer to all our troubles, kick em out, clear the books, and start over, new constitution, everything.

Dennis OwenFeb 6, 2014, 12:38 AM

Bankers on the island

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

I'll pay for the fuel to get their planes of the ground if they'll just go the fuck away.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:39 AM

Also, the decay products for several of the WV chemicals require your own oxygen supply and a backup team

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:39 AM★ Spotlighted

The only ones we can trust are those who won't profit by lying.

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 12:40 AM

And who would that be Taylor?

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:40 AM

The first act of the new president of america should be to apologize to the rest of the world for letting assholes take over here.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:40 AM

Iceland also successfully stopped a volcano from destroying a city. I would so move there if I could get a job there

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

Global Warming because of Cows Farting... I am about sick of it.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:41 AM

Killing the whale (human's fault as well) contributes more to global warming than cow farts

Dennis MudloffFeb 6, 2014, 12:41 AM

Nearly 1 in 10 Americans live within 10 miles of a contaminated military site.

Dennis OwenFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

How long before the planet cooks?

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

Good question Robin. That's really beyond my determination. It's illegal last time I checked to steal pay records, but for general rule of thumb? Anyone you see on TV is probably lying, with the exception of Bill Nye the Science guy.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

@Elanor we also need to make patents illegal if the subject of the patent benefits all of mankind.

Robin MaynardFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

I hear a lot about HAARP causing crazy weather recently, but i don't know whether or not to believe it.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

For financial reasons I've thought about moving back to my homeland in West PA, but fracking scares the crap out of me ...

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Food is a big one for me. Sustainability in our agriculture is an environmental issue. We're losing farm land to fracking, Monsanto's crack -- i mean corn for corn syrup -- and dumping on the herbicides.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

The whales dying from Fukushima will cause more of a rise in global CO2 than all the cows in North America

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

@Lee. but there ARE more efficient panel designs that are being underfunded purposefully.

Gav LengFeb 6, 2014, 12:42 AM

Fracking the next thing to threaten the UK, except with the free market we'll get all the pollution but no lower gas prices

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

I worked on a roof of a Condo building here in New Orleans. We were refinishing the roof to make it the biggest solar building in the city. Being paid for by the Federal Government. ALL the solar panels came from Canada.

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM

So how often do you check the sites that reveal all that information Taylor, it is out on the web

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

We are sitting on the sidelines and being passed up by the rest of the civilized world.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

I love the idea of democratizing the work place, Lee. I just learned of another company that is expanding and has been at it for over 40 years. Winco I believe was their name. People are saying they may well be able to give Wal Mart a run for it's

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM

We could lose all the trees in the world and all have our own cows if we had the whales back to 1422 levels

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM

money.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:43 AM

My family land had such beautiful water ...

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

we are working on a public release that will change a lot of pp way they eat. the situation is very bad and highlighting a the out of control specism in our species will engage self preservation instincts, thus changing for the better core intents

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

My favorite grocery stores are all employee owned

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

sey i cant say to much ive been ordered not to

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

I have pictures on my FB profile of the roof as well. I even took a picture of the Construction sign saying which Federal Bill made the construction possible.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

Why are they not pushing substaties for scooters, that would cut the need for fossil fuels, or a covered three wheeler scooter, that get 1000 miles to a gallon.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

@Robin. Stuff leaks occasionally, but it doesn't stay up long. I try to talk in person to the educated folks at universities. less likely to be corrupted by outside influence I find.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

That's the next big thing for the Koch brothers - ruin the entire water supply and build a filtration industry to sell it back to us - when it is ours by right.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Same here. I am on a gag on WV and can't say much

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:45 AM

gag order there is some new info not yet realeased.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

We can all pressure local governments where votes mean more to divest from oil and do simple things like use solar panels.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:46 AM

Water filteration has a major portion controlled by the family of secretary of commerce

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

Wendell Peirce the actor from Treme built a co-op here in NOLA http://wwno.org/post/bringing-fresh-food-everyone-new-orleans

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm currently taking an online class on "How to Change the World" on Coursera. Climate change and Sustainability are the subjects this week.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:47 AM

There goes my Everglades. They'll turn it into a sand dune...

Dennis OwenFeb 6, 2014, 12:47 AM

We need to end all fossil fuels now

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:47 AM

Bottom Line no one is out of their comfort zone....just yet....when the irs fines on obamacare kick in, they will go to filling the fema camps, calling poor americans terrorists.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:47 AM

You have some people with money and power doing good things they just don't talk about em. He is from the city as well.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:48 AM

Solar panels do not have to be photelectric. I have given several presentations at the Illinois Renewable Energy Fair of thermoelectric collectors that can generate electricity from the heat of the sunlight as well as heat of compost pile at night

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:48 AM

a vegan world wide collective of chain stores, non profit, run by local communities,engaging core survival traits to help change people from their center. help them care about themselves first?

Robin MaynardFeb 6, 2014, 12:49 AM

http://www.infowars.com/obama-allows-great-lakes-water-to-be-sold-to-china-as-half-the-u-s-faces-extreme-water-crisis/

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:49 AM

They have damned the river and make it flow through New Orleans. The way the river built the state is flowing back and forth like a water hose depositing sediment. So they damned it and the land that was there is just sediment and getting washed away

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:49 AM

We all need to write washington with and invoice, charging them for the destruction of earth at a rate to feed and house all of humanity.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:49 AM

start at the true nature of the problem

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah. fracking is really energy reliant to accomplish. It's so weird. We just covered it at Best of the Left (including one of Lee's rants) & it's mind blowing. ( http://www.bestoftheleft.com/_795_it_s_hot_it_s_cold_it_polluted_climate_energy )

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:50 AM

I will try to demonstrate ThermoElectric generators at this summer's IREA fair in Oregon, IL as well

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

once you get ppl to care about themselves then we will start to be able to engage them in other areas

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

Every storm washes more and more away. And some politicians want to make Oil companies pay just because they use our state to make millions.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

I just don't understand why it works to use SO MUCH energy to produce energy. What kind of bizarro circular logic is that?

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM

Aw, thanks. ;) I'm actually having Steve Horn on in a couple weeks b/c he's amazing on this stuff.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

So what to do? I've heard plenty of angry sentiments but nobody has really set down any plans for action. I understand that we can all do our own things as far as rejecting the system day to day, but what about beyond that?

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM

@Katie - because the government subsidizes it - that's the only reason it works.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

For sure. If the oil required to do the tracking wasn't subsidized it would lose money.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

Well only two currencies left to crash, ours and china's.....won't be long now till the fighting over food begins.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:51 AM

**fracking (thanks, autocorrect)

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

Sewage is my favorite energy source. Does not take from food supply. Can generate electricity from composting it. Then can make clean fuel by microbes, then make diesel from leftovers then extra the water and use it in california instead of colo r

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

Wow the comments are sharp and flying around. It's too bad we can't get the profiteers on this Tawk.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

it is pointless changing the tyre on your car if it wont start because the battery is dead. thus we need to begin at the very core, gently work our way outwards?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

Well the banks CEO bonuses kinda equaled out to the subsidies.

Parry NattkemperFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

60 bucks for a burger that's 12% beef?

Chris OwensFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

How about ending government subsidies? Imagine how little HFCS we would have if the corn subsidy never started.

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah, wasn't the amount of the big bank subsidies/bailout the exact same as their profits the last couple years? smh

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Or we could call subsidies what they are WELFARE!

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:53 AM

Tom Philpott at Mother Jones has some great thoughts on changing, but not ending the Farm Bill subsidies. They could be used to incentivize diversity rather than CORN SOY CORN SOY if the money in politics wasn't corrupting the make up of the bill.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes, if we ended subsidies for the oil companies it would actually be cheaper to use solar and wind than coal or oil.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 6, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

we need to win some local elections. Lee, do you have a location list so we can hook up with local fighters?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

You protest with your money everyday. When you purchase something you are voting in the way the world should be.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Money talks - don't buy stuff that damages the planet! For example, I have a pod ( a 1971 VW microbus that I live in) but I don't drive it unless I absolutely have to.

Chris OwensFeb 6, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Government subsidy reform could be a twak unto itself.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

We as a species must learn to give up our comforts, our toys, and gadgets, stop using their energy, and be self sustainable, wash your clothes by hand, walk to work, and keep all the currency you can away from the Masters of the universe.

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

arg so sorry I missed this! helping my sister out with student loan trouble. :( and yes information is power! informing people is one of the easiest and best things we can all individually do to help

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

also by the way you eat

Chris OwensFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

tawk*

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

But also, support the things that are good for the planet with your cash - like organic food.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

A 1071 VW microbus may be worth much more than you expect

Dennis OwenFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM

We need to change the whole system only thing that will work

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Deforestation?

Katie KlabusichFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

Manufacturing some shit in the US again would do wonders. We wouldn't have Lee's table being shipped back and forth across the ocean.

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

haha! good one lee, we just sent a validation request to them though apparently a lot of times they can't validate the debt they want you to pay... i was shocked .. not lol

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

It took me thirty years to pay back my student loans - and that ended up being mostly interest.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM

i am focusing on the oceans, as it is truly is the most pressing and urgent problem

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

ending the unending consumerism is what is so unsustainable.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:56 AM

if the oceans die we die

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

one of the best things people can do is teach themselves to be as self-sustaining as possible. grow your own food if you can, reuse everything you can, and only by what you need

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM

and thing are pretty bad

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM

yes! you should lee! I would love that tawk! student loan debt is awful

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Tennessee introduced legislation today to make college education free for all students who graduate high school...maybe it'll catch on nationally.

Steven GearyFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

ihave about 50000 in expertise.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah all young people could use help from that. I am not in as much trouble as some people but it is still a overwhelming task of trying to repay this ridiculous amount back.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:58 AM

Maybe my browser is messing up. Are you seeing stuff from Lee and Eleanor. I have seen anything at all from them yet.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Sen. Elizabeth Warren is leading that fight as well I believe.

kimba kradelFeb 6, 2014, 12:58 AM

@Daniel it used to be that way in California.

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 12:59 AM

@josh and it is not uncommon for collectors to tack on added interest and fees which are illegal, but people don't know that so they just continue to pay. creditors get away with so much because they can, people their rights when it comes to debt

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 12:59 AM

Now I can see the left side

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 12:59 AM

How is she doing that Josh ?

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 1:00 AM

sounds like elmer fudd, let's twak about wabbit's hahaha.

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 1:00 AM

can find me here

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

thanks Lee and Eleanor I am going to read through what I missed right now! :)

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 1:00 AM

https://www.facebook.com/TheNeptuneProjectComet?ref=hl

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 1:00 AM

She spoke saying that Banks getting .75% interest rates should be good for college students as well.

Daniel JacksonFeb 6, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Love ya both from afar....Keep Fighting!!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 1:01 AM

I am tawking with Lucy Friday night about Comedy & Politics if anyone is interested should be a fun one http://tawkers.com/tawk/ff808081-43fda710-0143-feb84c9b-633c.html :)

comet demutaFeb 6, 2014, 1:01 AM

thank you for greet work much appreciate till next time peace love and respect comet

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 1:01 AM

And to stop treating students as Profits.

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 1:01 AM

Thanks Lee! Following in your footsteps can only hope to be as good as you gusy

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 1:02 AM

students should get paid the lost opportunity cost plus the interest rate that banks get instead of paying for college

Rachel McDonnellFeb 6, 2014, 1:02 AM

@Joshua I saw that. Warren is awesome. I wish she was running for president.

Question EverythingFeb 6, 2014, 1:02 AM

Frankly, I don't know that college is any good for getting a job. I wouldn't trade my education for anything but a bachelors in psychology and biology and I still can't find a job. So I blog and talk to you great people.

Robin PearceFeb 6, 2014, 1:02 AM

Anyone can say anything but doing something is a whole different thing Josh

Mitchell HeldtFeb 6, 2014, 1:05 AM

Did the tawk stop?

Joshua RichouxFeb 6, 2014, 1:14 AM

Well name another congress person who has even came close to saying anything like that?

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