Jordan Birnbaum

Host

Let's Join The Felbercratic Party!

Dec 10, 2013·39 visitors

Adam Felber

Cohost

Stage· 235 messages

Dec 10, 2013

You know, this whole two-party political system is really bringing me down. I'm a Democrat, but mainly due to a lack of choice. I want a new option, and I want to start with one of my favorite people in the world. So tonight, we found the Felbercratic Party! And find out what that will mean…

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Mr. Felber, I presume?

Adam Felber · 2:00 AM

Indeed!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Great news! W welcome Back! We're thrilled to have you!

Adam Felber · 2:00 AM

A pleasure. I love what you've done with the place.

Adam Felber · 2:01 AM

Are those rugs new?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

Thank you - we've watched a lot of design reality competition shows

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

you pick up quite a lot

Adam Felber · 2:01 AM

They really tie the room together

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

dude….

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

OK - so there is a very definite plan for our Tawk this evening…

Adam Felber · 2:02 AM

So I've heard

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:02 AM

But I feel it is proper manners to ask if you care to opine on any issues of the day or recent life epiphanies before we begin.

Adam Felber · 2:03 AM

Well, I've been doing a lot of cooking lately. So that's a big issue for me. [Hiatus rocks!]

Adam Felber · 2:03 AM

Otherwise, I'm good.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:03 AM

I saw of FB post saying you just realized the food you order in restaurants can also be made at home. A revelation!

Adam Felber · 2:03 AM

Unbelievable. Guy food. Wedge salads, chicken park... easy

Adam Felber · 2:04 AM

"parm"

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

All righty -let's get to it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

So, where are you with the Democratic party these days? How happy are you with them on a scale of 1-10?

Adam Felber · 2:05 AM

MAybe 6

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

OK - I'm at like a 1/2.

Adam Felber · 2:05 AM

But that is vs. the zero score I would give the opposition.

Adam Felber · 2:05 AM

Ha! You're that disillusioned?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

yes -the Republiucans are so reprehensible that we accept by default Wall St flunkies.

Adam Felber · 2:06 AM

I yearn for the Wall Street flunkies of yesteryear.

Adam Felber · 2:06 AM

Where have all the flunkies gone?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

I mean, the TPP news this morning was really the last straw…

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

So I want a third political party, and yo seem like a very smart centerpiece

Adam Felber · 2:07 AM

happy to do it. I'll pull out any good democrats.

Adam Felber · 2:07 AM

And that one good Republican.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

perfect.So, I tried to figure out how to make the presentation of a political platform as entertaining as possible.

Adam Felber · 2:07 AM

Good idea. Especially since the platformer hasn't actually constructed a platform as of yet!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

And I came up with a strange combination of the actual issues, Jeopardy, and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

Adam Felber · 2:08 AM

Go for it

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

There are 5 categories: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic and International.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

Like Jeopardy, you’ll select a category and dollar amount, and I’ll provide the political issue. (More expensive issues are more complicated.)

Adam Felber · 2:08 AM

Add a sex advice plank and we might actually have a website.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

Your job will be to explain The Felbercratic Party position on the issue. And like Millionaire, you can either a) answer, b) ask the audience or c) type a friend (which in this case would be me).

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Golly, Jordan, are we going to have to think?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

hell yes

Adam Felber · 2:09 AM

Okay... I'll take social for $50

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

That's a softball. What's your position on Gay Rights?

Adam Felber · 2:10 AM

Yipes. That's almost too soft (TMSS!)

Adam Felber · 2:10 AM

er "TWSS"

Adam Felber · 2:10 AM

Anyway, I'm favor, obviously. Marriage, kids, divorce, the whole thing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

next issue. Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic and International.

Adam Felber · 2:11 AM

In a felbocracy, celibacy would be the only stigma.

Adam Felber · 2:11 AM

cuz that's weird.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

There's no room for MOrrisey in your world?

Adam Felber · 2:11 AM

International for ... 200

Adam Felber · 2:11 AM

Nope. Much a I love him. But there's room for him in the 80's.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

Good Morrisey Answer! Next question: What is your strategy for Afghanistan?

Adam Felber · 2:12 AM

I once dated a girl like afghanistan.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

how so?

Adam Felber · 2:13 AM

I knew I had to get out... she was nuts... but I'd made promises just to get in there in the first place.

Adam Felber · 2:13 AM

And I am an honorable man

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

on behalf of every guy who has ever had a psychotic girlfriend, LMFAO

Adam Felber · 2:14 AM

At this point, we have to get out, or we'll never meet a war we truly love

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

full immediate withdrawal?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“The real trouble is, if you pull out, what guy is going in there next.”

Adam Felber · 2:14 AM

well, we need to reserve the right to send in some drones for the occasional booty call

Adam Felber · 2:15 AM

That can't be our problem anymore, Jeff. Let go!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

I can see that you have begun to sexualize military operations. That must be the sign of a new era…

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Jeff, you look so respectable . . . .”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

I know, right

Adam Felber · 2:15 AM

Yes, "More Bang for the Buck, and 101 Other Military Sex Puns"

Adam Felber · 2:16 AM

Jeff is. I know him from NYC comedy in the 90's. Respect, Jeff!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:16 AM

excellent. OK -next issue: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic or International?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“Peace!”

Adam Felber · 2:17 AM

Let's go governance for 100

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:17 AM

What is your position on gerrymandering?

Adam Felber · 2:17 AM

That shit has to stop. IT's a bug in the constitution at this point.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

We squash that shit to bits, right?

Adam Felber · 2:18 AM

Like remember how MySpace used to work great?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

perfect analogy. Gerry is like Tom.

Adam Felber · 2:18 AM

And then a more modern web came along and people started pimping out their profiles and it got all crashy?

Adam Felber · 2:19 AM

Exactly! Lol.

Adam Felber · 2:19 AM

We need to pass some strong laws that divide up districts by municipalities, not back-room bargains

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

OK -next issue: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic or International?

Adam Felber · 2:20 AM

Well, I haven't hit one of 'em yet, and paul Krugman's here playing Madden, so... economics for 500

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:20 AM

very ambitious!

Adam Felber · 2:20 AM

Ask a friend!

Adam Felber · 2:21 AM

Wait, I'll wait for the question

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

what is your position on welfare?

Adam Felber · 2:21 AM

You answer that. Ask a friend!

Adam Felber · 2:21 AM

Meanwhile, I'll tell everyone about the bolognese I've perfected...

Adam Felber · 2:21 AM

For one, you need to use white wine, not red.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“We all need someone to lean on”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“Obviously some form of welfare is always needed.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

welfare - extreme circumstance mischaracterize the program

Adam Felber · 2:22 AM

I agree with Rick and Jeff.

Adam Felber · 2:22 AM

But also:

Adam Felber · 2:22 AM

The Republicans are not wrong when they say that programs, poorly designed, can be counterproductive

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

effective planning with sufficient resources (employment training, housing, healthcare, etc.) can easily work into productive citizens

Adam Felber · 2:23 AM

They're not wrong... but they're also not kind. So they have no idea how to put their ideas into action

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

OK - How'd I do in the role of friend?

Adam Felber · 2:23 AM

Yes. Training. Quid pro quo. Welfare to work was a dirty word for Democrats in the 90's... until it wasn't

Adam Felber · 2:24 AM

Totally nailed it. But you have the benefit of being the judge as well. :)

Adam Felber · 2:24 AM

domestic for 300

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:24 AM

At some point we're going to have to come to terms with Clinton, too (Glass Steagall, NAFTA, Welfare, Media Telecommunications Act…but that's another Tawk.

Adam Felber · 2:25 AM

That would be a great Tawk.

Adam Felber · 2:25 AM

My first real political involvement was working for Jerry Brown's campaign in 92.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:26 AM

Jerry Brown, Bernie Saunders, Elizabeth Warren - reasons to maintain hope in humanity

Adam Felber · 2:26 AM

Totally. Jerry is the most jaw-droopingly effective of the bunch, though.

Adam Felber · 2:26 AM

"droppingly"

Adam Felber · 2:27 AM

Bernie is looking a little jaw-drooping, though

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

I know - CA has been miraculous! Enough digression! Domestic $300: Articulate your immigration policy

Adam Felber · 2:27 AM

To quote Baron Munchausen...

Adam Felber · 2:27 AM

Open the gates!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

excellent answer.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“No aliens allowed! Especially Artcurians.”

Adam Felber · 2:28 AM

It's only rational. Our welfare state is not good

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

OK -next issue: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic or International?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

oops - not yet

Adam Felber · 2:28 AM

Nobody wants to come here for our amazing benefits.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

I know - that perspective is so vain and delusional

Adam Felber · 2:28 AM

We only just got healthcare, ferchrissakes, and it's not free or simple.

Adam Felber · 2:29 AM

Open the gates.

Adam Felber · 2:29 AM

okay... next. Back to social, but a toughie. Like 1000

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:29 AM

plus, immigrants tend to be courageous and extraordinary people, btw.

Adam Felber · 2:29 AM

or criminals on the lam. But they're extraordinary in their own way

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:30 AM

What is the appropriate role for the government to play in addressing income inequality

Adam Felber · 2:30 AM

it has to be minimum wage or wage subsidy. I don't see any other realistic solution.

Adam Felber · 2:30 AM

Though I do like the Buffett Rule

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:31 AM

please articulate it

Adam Felber · 2:31 AM

Maybe I've named it wrong, but the idea that nobody in a corporation can earn more than 5 times the salary of the lowest paid worker.

Adam Felber · 2:31 AM

The math is negotiable.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“Could we set rules about the highest paid employees versus the lowest paid?”

Adam Felber · 2:32 AM

But the idea...

Adam Felber · 2:32 AM

If corporations really do have speech rights, then their needs to be some regulation of the living, breathing entities within them

Adam Felber · 2:32 AM

That

Adam Felber · 2:32 AM

That's what I'm talking' bout, Jeff!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“Me and buffet I guess.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

So that would constitute a very aggressive and regulatory position four the government to take. I'm not against it. I'm acknowledging it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

for

Adam Felber · 2:33 AM

Uh, "there," above, obviously

Adam Felber · 2:33 AM

Yes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

Agreed - if the gov't. doesn't check and balance corporations, who will?

Adam Felber · 2:33 AM

There is another option

Adam Felber · 2:34 AM

But I don't know if America is capable of it

Adam Felber · 2:34 AM

There are more decent, respectful, and collective-minded societies than our own.

Adam Felber · 2:35 AM

In such places, where people feel a sense of common purpose, there's less need to take a heavy hand to the greedy, the selfish, and the angry... because the boundary lines are different.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:36 AM

yes - these are cultural shifts we're tawking about

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“They got the guns but we got the numbers . . . didn't work.”

Adam Felber · 2:36 AM

Way back in the 80's George HW Bush gave a speech asking for the same thing. HE wasn't wrong.

Adam Felber · 2:36 AM

Yes. Cultural shifts. I worry that the WAY in which we combat evil causes more of the same, both internationally and domestically.

Adam Felber · 2:37 AM

Also, we all need to cook more.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:37 AM

you can see why this issue was worth $1,000?

Adam Felber · 2:37 AM

just for deliciousness's sake

Adam Felber · 2:37 AM

oh yeh

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:37 AM

OK -next issue: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic or International?

Adam Felber · 2:37 AM

Let's get out of the bubble. International for 1000

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

Israel / Palestine

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

fix it

Adam Felber · 2:39 AM

As a son of a man who was born in Germany and lost his parents and extended family to the Holocaust, this is hard....

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

that's why it's worth $1000

Adam Felber · 2:39 AM

But Israel is killing itself right now. Both morally and politically.

Adam Felber · 2:40 AM

The problem is easy to see: It's the terrorist wings of Palestinian organizations...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:40 AM

I support Israel. For the majority of history Israel has been in the overwhelming right place. I love Israel. They need to stop it now.

Adam Felber · 2:40 AM

... and the settler's movement.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

The moral high ground is worth it

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Sometimes you have to choose a side.”

Adam Felber · 2:41 AM

Until Israel can speak out loud about what the settlement movement IS, they won't find a solution.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

not going to define my thinking that way

Adam Felber · 2:41 AM

I agree with Jordan.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

nuance exists in the world, even if other people don't see it, I do.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

and so does Adam Felber

Adam Felber · 2:42 AM

I'm on Israel's "side" if it comes down to it...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

so I'm feeling pretty good right now

Adam Felber · 2:42 AM

... but I don't think that Likud, in a practical sense, really is.

Adam Felber · 2:42 AM

awwww

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

OK -next issue: Governance, Social, Domestic, Economic or International? care to ale it easy, or you like the challenges?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

wait

Adam Felber · 2:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“As a country people who've been repressed and attacked throughout history, you'd think they would have a touch more compassion.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

have to engage the audience

Adam Felber · 2:43 AM

Right.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“There certainly are nuances, but 'moral equivalence' is a joke.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

moral equivalence is not the point. Doing the right thing is the point.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

there's a difference between defending yourself and attacking.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“Having a bunch of crazy neighbors can make you a little too touchy.”

Adam Felber · 2:44 AM

Israel, recently, hasn't even given Palestinians a chance to fail.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

fair point

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

We're coming to a close - I say we get one or two more in.

Adam Felber · 2:45 AM

Okay... governance again. 3000

Adam Felber · 2:45 AM

(I have unlimited cash here!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

oooo - double jeopardy!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

how do you deal with former government officials taking jobs in the corporations they just governed?

Adam Felber · 2:46 AM

I think you can't

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

the conflict of interest is crazy

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

its killing us

Adam Felber · 2:46 AM

If there's real evidence of wrongdoing... well, I think that should be investigated and prosecuted

Adam Felber · 2:46 AM

I don't agree it's killing us.

Adam Felber · 2:47 AM

We will always live in a country where it is possible to make a lot of money.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

wrongdoing is common practice. people vote on banking regulations, then leave and work for the bank affected by that vote. It happens everywhere, all the time.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

OK - it's your party - all I can do is advocate

Adam Felber · 2:47 AM

And we will always live in a country where some of the people most qualified to regulate the financial sector have experience in it

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:48 AM

could we get 5 years away? Can you go teach at some college? can you work at a non-profit?

Adam Felber · 2:48 AM

Not to side with Republicans, but what's your metric their, Jordan?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:48 AM

out of my ass

Adam Felber · 2:49 AM

"We asked you to fix things, now you have to not earn money for 5 years?"

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:49 AM

I don't think anyone supports this

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:49 AM

they're all so rich to begin with

Adam Felber · 2:49 AM

Dodd-Frank was compromised, but it has many good parts.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“It is not ideal, but I agree with Adam, too hard to stop.”

Adam Felber · 2:49 AM

Written by rich Wall Street fat cats trying to do America a solid.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

OK - I respect your conviction. I'm letting it go!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“And we've got much worse corruption going on.”

Adam Felber · 2:50 AM

No, no, Felbocracy has a big tent!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

I Love it!

Adam Felber · 2:50 AM

Rant away.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

OMG - I forgot to ask you!

Adam Felber · 2:50 AM

[However, donors should know that Jordan will be kept far away from you!! I promise!]

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

Dems are donkeys. Repubs are elephants. What are Felbercrats?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

we need a mascot for political cartoons!

Adam Felber · 2:51 AM

Kate Upton.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

i mean, i didn't know it could be that good

Adam Felber · 2:51 AM

If I'm going to have to stare at something for my entire political life...

Adam Felber · 2:52 AM

Go, enjoy your elephant. I got Kate.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

you're way smarter than them!

Adam Felber · 2:52 AM

something something...."big tent"

Adam Felber · 2:52 AM

that's a do it yourself joke!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:53 AM

So Adam - I think we covered about 7% of what I have prepared. (There's a lot involved in a political platform!)

Adam Felber · 2:53 AM

Yeah, the rest will haft wait for the convention

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:53 AM

Well I hope you dug it! I am a proud Felbercrat.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I'm in.”

Adam Felber · 2:54 AM

Thanks. It was completely fun. And thanks for preparing the game show!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

we're growing exponentially

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

you're the best - tawk soon!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Miller

“So could we actually start a new "reasonable" Democrat party?”

Adam Felber · 2:54 AM

Thanks everyone! /tawk

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

I'm down.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

"The Mississippi's mighty, but it starts in Minnesota, at a place that you could walk across with 5 steps down." -The Indigo Girls

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“As Groucho said: I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member.”

Adam Felber · 2:56 AM

Send me a note, Jeff. great to see you!

Forum · 47

Forum· 47 comments

39 visitors

Tawkers AdminDec 9, 2013, 2:12 AM

Welcome to the Forum! To get involved, click "Who's Here" and then FOLLOW people.

Tawkers AdminDec 9, 2013, 2:12 AM

Once 25 people gather in the audience, a comment needs at least one LIKE to become visible to the two Hosts and anyone not following them. So LIKE the comments you want everyone to see!

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 1:59 AM

An intro! Good.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:01 AM

Where's the feature wall.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:06 AM

Gone to flowers every one

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:08 AM★ Spotlighted

Golly, Jordan, are we going to have to think?

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:09 AM

I'm in trouble.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:10 AM

Do your own thang.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:11 AM

Better question: where do you stand on inter-species sex?

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:13 AM

Wait for it.....

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:13 AM

Weak, man.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:14 AM★ Spotlighted

The real trouble is, if you pull out, what guy is going in there next.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Jeff, you look so respectable . . . .

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

I am

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

Thanks Rick.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

Still waters run deep . . .

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Peace!

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:17 AM

I really loved Ferry Cross the Mersey

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

We all need someone to lean on

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Obviously some form of welfare is always needed.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:22 AM

The question is: Is it out of control?

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:23 AM

The problem, as usual, is finding teh rational center.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

No aliens allowed! Especially Artcurians.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:31 AM

Don't talk dirty, J

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Could we set rules about the highest paid employees versus the lowest paid?

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:32 AM★ Spotlighted

Me and buffet I guess.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:34 AM

Problem is, you're asking for a counter-revolution.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:35 AM★ Spotlighted

They got the guns but we got the numbers . . . didn't work.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:37 AM

There used to be a bond between workers and a company. You worked for the same company for 25 years and they took care of you. That bond is shattered now.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:37 AM

That's for damn sure.

Steve BumgarnerDec 10, 2013, 2:37 AM

I was gonna say, Adam

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:39 AM

Then be careful

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

Whoops.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM★ Spotlighted

Sometimes you have to choose a side.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

There certainly are nuances, but 'moral equivalence' is a joke.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

As a country people who've been repressed and attacked throughout history, you'd think they would have a touch more compassion.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

Having a bunch of crazy neighbors can make you a little too touchy.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:46 AM

Pay them minimum wage.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:47 AM

What's killing us is corporations buying politicians

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:49 AM

I'd like to make the ELF a legit party.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:49 AM★ Spotlighted

It is not ideal, but I agree with Adam, too hard to stop.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:49 AM★ Spotlighted

And we've got much worse corruption going on.

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm in.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

So could we actually start a new "reasonable" Democrat party?

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

As Groucho said: I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member.

Jeff MillerDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM

G'nite!

Rick RosnerDec 10, 2013, 2:56 AM

Thanks, guys.