Eleanor Goldfield

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Opening Eyes with Activist Art

Apr 22, 2014·267 visitors

Lee Camp

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Apr 22, 2014

Creative activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp talk activist art and it's role in raising socio-political awareness.

Lee Camp · 6:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“My choice of activist art would of course, be postcards due primarily to their exposure while traveling along their wonderful journey.”

Lee Camp · 10:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“so freakin' excited for this tawk! :-)”

Lee Camp · 10:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“dont worry Luke,Eleanor and Lee are both gentle....at first! hehe”

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

Hey everyone, welcome to Tawkers! Say hi to my amazing co-host, Eleanor Goldfield from the band Rooftop Revolutionaries.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:59 PM

Hey everyone! Welcome to our weekly Revolting tawk :) And hello to my talented and handsome co-host Lee :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:59 PM

Hey everyone! Welcome to our weekly Revolting tawk :) And hello to my talented and handsome co-host Lee :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:59 PM

Sorry - gremlins in my keyboard

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

Today we're talking about the world of activist art or art with any kinda point/message/agenda

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

We're going to split it up into a few sections so we can keep the conversation moving

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

First off - PLEASE tell people to come here now. Just take 2 seconds and post this URL on your FB and Twitter and Christian Mingle accounts.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

For the UK people here, I love that "ChristianMingle.com" is only one letter off from "ChristianMinge.com" which is very different.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“hello eleanor and lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

So...art. Is it activism or escapism?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Lee, already off on a comedic tangent ;)

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

That's what I do.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

What was your question, El?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

It's gonna be one of those herding cats days, isn't it? ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

I'm curious as to whether people feel that art is a form of escapism or is a form of activism

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

for example, rothko can't really be considered activist

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Or both?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

but i adore getting lost in his art

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

Throw out some examples.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

For the record guys, I totally agree :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“well, eleanor is can be both of course”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

El, do you think more people listen to your music because of the sound or because of the point? And obviously there are those coming for both, but which side draws more?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think the best is a combination of both”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

On a random night, I'd say it's more the music.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

Which is sort of the point, in my mind

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

@Robin - are you familiar with Backbone Campaign

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

They do projections and light shows on buildings too - really cool

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Yeah, so using the art as a trick to teach 'em something?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

you should check them out

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

@Lee - yes.

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Freda did the cover to my new comedy special!

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

It kicks ass.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am a fan of Roger Waters who has over the years mixed his artistic vision with his political views.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i like the huge street art projects on buildings. they can be both. banksy and such.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Art, well in my case music, is a medium that brings people together across all sorts of social lines

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Lucy, your stuff kicks ass as well.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

Feed someone a chocolate covered pill, they're more likely to swallow as opposed to covering it with the simple bitter facts.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

Yes - Lucy's stuff is bad ass

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“and then there's the awesome Anthony Freda”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@Wes - can it reflect a thriving society?

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

I enjoy playing to the choir, but I have to admit, it's more fun when you have a mixed audience who are experiencing what I do for the first time. Whenever I have full agreement from the audience, it's not as fun.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@Lee - I agree with that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

I kind of enjoy being heckled - sometimes

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

for me, art is one more way to get the message out there. Hi to all :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

@Wes - I agree with you on the point of art mirroring life

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Art should reflect a decaying society... well thats the art I like.. honest art”

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Ha. Dealing with hecklers during music is probably quite different.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“if it was thriving.. yes”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Yeah, Markus, it's a completely different vibe. It's no fun when I call out religion or go after something that is "touchy" to most people but because I have a group of awesome people in the audience, no one is shocked. Ha.

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

why's that Lee? Different kind of energy in the room?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

@Robin - that's an interesting point too - to focus not just on the true ills of humanity but to focus on the beauty that surrounds us, and getting people to see that

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Robin - What kind of art do you do?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“@Lee. Do you ever get nervous when going ballsout on the powers that be?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“in my work, i try to depict a reverence and awe of nature, mostly. to draw attention to how important it is to respect and take care of the planet.”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Wes - I don't really get nervous about that. When I'm making the strongest points is when it's perhaps the easiest for me. I get more nervous when I'm just trying to be straight funny and it feels like people aren't coming along.

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

(which is NEVER because I'm so awesome)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

@Robin - do you consider your art activist or escapist?

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

(kidding)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Tim - could you give an example

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“painting things i love like extremem close up of flowers, water, people, mountain scenery, etc.”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

Tim - That's interesting. So do you feel you've failed if you evoke fear?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I try to show people things they might not get the opportunity to see otherwise. And hopefully show them a different way to view things in the process. Preferably with respect instead of fear”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

It's interesting also to think that some artists, such as yourself Robin, create because they have a vision outside of a characterization. For myself, having been in political and non-political bands, having done political and non-political creative

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

work, I always think of that distinction

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“neither, eleanor. hadn't thought about that. it is definitely a message i want to get out though.”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“right on tim.”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Good activist art should be exhilarating & fun.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

Yeah Lee - get on that. Get Lucy some more pictures to deface with her art!

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

El - How different is it for you to be in a political band now? Do you feel it constantly or is not always at the front of your mind?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

It's always something I'm conscious of

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

I work it into how I present myself on stage, in between songs.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i have to say that i love doing the quote images i do. i am trying to broaden what i do and not do so much people i know so much. there';s only so many Lee pics about to deface!”

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Tim - That's awesome. And it brings up the genre of activist art that is simply activist by the fact that it informs people about a thing they may have been ignorant about.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

It's the message that is key, the music is the medium. Luckily, I am surrounded by phenomenal musicians

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

It might not actively say "save these bears" but by getting people to appreciate them, it is fostering that feeling.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

@Markus - I mean some artists create without thinking about where it will land in terms of activism or escapism

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“One should have fun when exposing crooks & liars.”

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am a wildlife photographer and my main interest is in the Black Bear population of Northwestern Washington. Alot of people have a built in fear of bears that is unwarranted in my experiance,”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

I was saying I always consider it for my own projects.

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

[Quite note: I have to dip out for 10 mins. I will be back quite soon. Have no fear!!]

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Eleneanor what do you mean by 'outside of characterization'?

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

[But you should probably decide who will eat who first in the case all hell breaks loose.]

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“to me activism art is something that touches someone deep enough to make them express it the way they know how.”

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Psychopaths in suits. How can we incorporate making fun of them in Pop Art?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Wes - good question. I'd have the visual gurus in the audience take that one :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

@Lucy - I feel that way often as well.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

But the general goal of your art - what you want it to convey - does that remain?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

@Johnathonfall - I'm just getting into painting again, but I'm a HELLUVA lot better of a writer

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i never know how the art i make is gonna turn out. i start with an idea but it rarely finishes out that way”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

that's a good point too - writing as a form of art. how far does that stretch tho?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

would we consider a blog post art, or an article on say truthdig art?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Many of us can't draw or paint, but we can write.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Lucy - absolutely - that'd be awesome :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think that is part of the fun of creating. Just being on the ride and seeing how it comes out.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“writing is wonderful”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Michael - the same could be said for painting or music

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

I mean hell - I've got 7 notes!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

and somehow have to make them sound different and interesting

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey Eleanor,maybe i can turn some of your words into images later? been awesome doing so so far”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

It's a testament to human ingenuity i'd say - that we can continue to come up with new art, new writings, new songs

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Writing is the hardest thing in the world to do. So much has already been done. But it is a worthwhile endeavor. Finding that perfect wording -- nothing beats it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

We may be headed down the rabbits hole of "what is art"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

Here's a question for you:

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think it could be, if it creates something as you read it. A good mental image of what the writer is trying to convey, a mood, or emotion.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i cant write for toffee. my mind works faster than my fingers do,so i miss SO many words out,or the spelling goes to pot lol”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

is art lacking in the mainstream or is there more in the underground? if so, how do we get to it?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

hunter s thompson often compared his writing process to music

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@lucy - that's a good point too.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Certainly. I am neither musically nor painting inclined, but I can begin to see that as being the same case. It is a process that can't be forced. You sorta have to listen to what the piece is saying and go with it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

I often get a lot of inspiration from images, but not typically the ones I creat :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Wes - ha, very true :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“dont words create pictures in your mind? sometimes everone needs words to get their creative juices flowing”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

but with digital platforms, it seems easier than ever before to get underground

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i do lots of different kinds of things for creativity. it has been interesting to see the process is the same for all, the flow of it, too.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“The NSA doesn't know how to spy on your writing.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

like two of my favorite sites are pretty small when compared to say the kind of traffic the smithsonian might get, but there fucking fantastic

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Underground is much better. and you have to search hard.. thats when we stumble upon people like you and Lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

when we're done, check these out: http://www.creativeresistance.org/

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

https://www.facebook.com/artwithteeth

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

@Michael - I completely agree.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Definitely agree, we start to see a shift. People rather alternative news these days. its great”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

My generation (Gen Y) seems obsessed with this idea of escapism - mainstream music is about as vapid as you can get

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“I think art has been co-opted in the mainstream, where you have tepid forms of entertainment which serve the status quo. Citcoms co-opt stand-up, Hollywood co-opts independent artistic films. But with increase in tech those gatekeepers r crumbling.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

@Robin - that sounds a lot like Hunter S Thompson (he's getting a lot of play here) suggesting that you create whilst hungover

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

Thank you, Michael!

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

And you're absolutely right that even standup is far less free than it once was.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i blame Lee for getting me to look at "underground" news places. its a big friggin world out there. love finding shit that no-one has.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i read that being kind of tired and distracted lends itself to getting "in the zone" for creativity”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

I attribute that to a) people wanting to get rich from stand up rather than just wanting to do it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

@Michael - very true. Just watch a morning show

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

that'll make you doubt both intelligent design and evolution

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

and b) the big tv networks making sure most of what is said keeps within a small box of acceptable thought

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Addendum: even stand-up has been co-opted some, except for Lee's stuff, which is hard-hitting and carries on the legacy of Hicks and Carlin.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ya Lucy -- news outside the usual corporate feed is totally different. They actually dig and muckrake real fucking news rather than looking at what is trending on YT.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“= D good ol' Hunter S.”

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

a lot of people think stand up is completely allowed on TV now because you can curse and tell rape jokes. But that's not what is forbidden. What's forbidden is standup that questions the corporatocracy

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

questions the advertisers and the marketing and the system of consumerism

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“I'm ready for Lee's new comedy! HELL YEAH”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

@Lee - it's the same with music, photography, visual art and film

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

@Lee are you familiar with Stewart Lee?

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

I know Zach and he's a good guy but he is very much a mainstream democrat, I think.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

There's a reason documentaries like Dirty Wars have to do online releases and Thor fucking gets blockbuster status

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

He actually did something bold with his "campaign" movie which went after the "Moch Bros"

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

which was an analogy for the "koch bros"

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ Lee, ya man. It has become a sort of careerism for them. Plus they can venture out. I mean you have the likes of Zach Galafanakis who has done his Hangover movies now. And doing propaganda for Obama with his Between Two Ferns.”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

and at the end of the movie they buy the election, which was trying to teach americans something important.

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Yes, I know Stuart Lee. I'm actually friendly with him. One of the greatest stand ups working today. Being on a few shows with him are some of the highlights of my career.

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

EVERYBODY needs to check out Stuart Lee if you haven't.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

So - I'm curious then as well. Do you feel it's the "job" of politically conscious artists to create activist art?

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“@ Lee, ya maybe that is an exaggeration to say it was propaganda, but it just seemed like a shameless plug. I love his early stuff, like at the Onion. O my fuck that shit is funny.”

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Hmmm. There are a lot of comedians I love who are not political - like Hedberg or Stephen Wright or others.

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

So I don't feel everybody with a voice has an obligation, but I do feel our world desperately needs it.

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ya I heard that movie was good. It was a Koch-block, which is always good, considering they are straight effing us in the ass.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

True - and I'll be the first to admit that I love some good british comedy or a fitness blog to escape the world with

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

For some, it's a job and a passion :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@Tim - I agree with that

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

You should never try to force your art or someone elses' for that matter to be something it isn't

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

but i do believe artists are the voice of a generation

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Politically conscience. Art is not a job:p”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

I consider it both my job and my passion but I wouldn't demand that every artist has to be political.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

and right now our generation isn't saying much of substance

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

@Lee that's awesome to know! and, yes, he is well worth a loof for thos who aren't familiar

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, yes! Art and politics are one and the same. We need more jesters looking the king in the face and saying the brutal truth. I think humor is inherently involved with transformation, poking and prodding status quo.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

Thanks Michael! :)

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Not so much a job. I think that it has to be something that the artists loves to do. It has to come from a place of passion, otherwise it comes across as empty and just trying to pander to a certain group.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Wes - well, unfortunately you have to make money

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

By the way guys, if you want to see some artist worlds colliding, here's the intro to my new comedy special - done to the tune of "Folk Devils" by Eleanor's band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGAg8e_Z2E

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

and what better way to make money than doing something you love

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

the first time i got paid to sing, i was fucking ecstatic

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, yes. "Folk Devils" is def. in that same vein. True art.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

i don't think that's a bad thing

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@all what gave you folks your passion for art and politics?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“sorry Eleanor.. I'm just not liking the words job and art in the same sentence.. Job makes me think of "money"”

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

Yeah, depends on the definition of job. I don't like when non-artistic people doubt that being a comedian can be a job. Most artists have dealt with the "when ya gonna get a real job" question.

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

And of course it's bullshit.

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“markus,,, observation, indignation, love, hate, wanting a change.”

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I don't think of what I do as a job because I never looked forward to any job I have had as much as I look forward to what I do now. I suppose it is all in perception”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

And yes - check out Lee's teaser for his new special! You can see the Folk Devils video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C85R0q3ysMQ

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

Wes - Yes, I was in Peter Joseph's Culture In Decline

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

And have performed at TZM festivals

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Idk if you guys are TZM appreciaters”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee, yes true. But look at the legendary comics. I mean stand-up got its start with Lenny Bruce saying shit that wasn't allowed or was taboo, shaking up biz as usual.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“I saw that bro. You did an interview as well. great stuff man”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“I guess its who you make your money from and what you do with it.”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Michael - You're right. And most of the guys who truly spoke out slowly got sidelined by the mainstream networks. Bruce was arrested time and again for his speech.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

@Markus - that's great company to have

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Dick Gregory was pushed out of the clubs he used to play. Hicks was censored by Letterman. Carlin's language went to the supreme court.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“That is a very impressive moment in you career if you ask me @ Lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

for me my political awareness was woken by being in a riot at the age of 14. Suddenly the only person who seemed to have my worldview was Bill Hicks

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Yeah, the right kind of thought is very scary to the ruling elite.

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Bill Hicks,to me,taught me SO much. and now we have these guys - the hosts - to take over. and a damn fine job they are doing too.”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

I got to open for Dick Gregory once. What a legend.

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Damn.. they sure get their panties in a bunch”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Carlin was legendary”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

Not sure if HBO censored him. But the radio waves certainly did.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

@Lucy - there are ways of getting the message out due to digital platforms we never had access to before

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Dick Gregory is on tour with Paul Mooney I believe

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

It of course makes it more difficult to be "mainstream acceptable"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee, well said. Ya, long history of comic dissent. Didn't Carlin get censored from swearing for a time? On HBO??”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

@Keef - I've seen some in LA galleries

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“but getting a message across about something you are passionate about can be hard. what if the general public dont see what you do? altho,that can be great too. give you a different point of view”

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Hey everybody - Keef Ward runs an AMAZING FB page called "Art with Teeth" - I fucking love it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

not as much as i would like but there seem to be collectives and galleries, particularly around DTLA that embrace highly politicized works

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“True, and we are brewing up a whole new level of thought. Global awakening perhaps”

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

What's your guys's feelings on activist art being in galleries? I'd really hoped to see more of that here in NYC. Sadly, largely vague and vapid work. Spine-free!

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

markus - not all art can be painting on a building.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

And while I love artists who risk arrest, they shouldn't HAVE to risk arrest to show their art.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Sure would be nice to see more comedy done on the supreme court...the fucking supremes and their black robes.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

@Zolan - very true.

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Last time I was down South I walked into this restaurant, and this white waitress came up to me and said: 'We don't serve colored people here.' I said: 'that's all right, I don't eat colored people. Bring me a whole fried chicken.' Dick Gregory”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - very true. and one reason why people are getting off their fat asses and doing something about. its great to see”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

i don't see the need for art to hang in galleries when Banksy is spraying public walls

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Zolan Machado

“We have the ability to get messages out more easily, it's just difficult getting them recognized over all of the cat photos sometimes..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

@Keef - I don't think that's necessarily true.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

Like I said, there are some galleries in LA that show activist art

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Keef - i would love to see that kind of art in galleries more but i dont think it will be for a while. it goes against what the fat cats who pay for the galleries want”

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

I hate to beat a dead horse because we mention this every tawk - but this is why the internet MUST remain free. You would never find out about all this great art, music, comedy, etc. without a free and open internet.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

So, activism and art/commerce can only exist outside the white walls? (until you're as big as Banksy? Unacceptable!)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

I don't know about the "big" ones but DTLA is becoming known for having some great artists and none of these works are tremendously expensive so they're not Banksy status

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Does rubbing poop on walmart walls count as art?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“walmart has so much wall space... with no art”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

The big gallerists just need to be shown that there is a market and DEMAND for it, no?

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Who are your favorite bands with political songs?? Go!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“think outside the box. do whatEVER it takes to get what you want to do to the world. even if it takes a while and it may feel like you aint getting anywhere,keep at it. someone,somewhere wil love it and spread the word about you”

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“@Lee thats why we gotta protect the fuck outta this internet while we still have it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

I just did a radio show about this

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

Skunkansie are awesome

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

You're right that certain aspects of net neutrality have been shut down but the fight is ongoing. It won't happen in one day. Don't give up.

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Grinslade

“I agree with Lee..art isn't either or..it's more encompassing and and subjective to the observer...”

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Yes Lee and lettuce remember that Net Neutrality is currently no more in America...sadly.”

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“if we are to protect the internet,we need to stop TPP”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Skunkansie still get played on my phone "yes, it's fucking POLITICAL!"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Rage AGainst the Machine, The Native Alien Tribe, Tom Morello, Hierosonic, Muse, Springsteen, System of a Down, Serj Tankian

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

I'd say Rooftop, Immortal Technique, Tom Morello, Brother Ali, Hierosonic, ...I could go forever.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Oh, and Motorhead :)

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Rebel Music,Heistclick....um.......oh yeah Rooftop Revolutionaries!!! :-)”

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Grinslade

“Communication through art is like sex.”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee, only if it is diarrhea consistency, so you can get a Jackson Pollick-like drip painting of feces.”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Rage Against the Machine, Roger Waters, Rooftop Revolutionaries”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

@Keef - west coast seems more interested in the underground

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

El - Question, I've never seen an interview with Muse. Do they actually care about things or did they just know "uprising" anthem songs were the way to get people excited?

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

more recently, there's The King Blues...

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

@Lee - I don't actually know the answer to that

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

I wonder why the discrepancy between East coast and West coast gallerists. Seems there's a TON more spicy work being shown out West. The opposite of what I expected out here.

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

Cire is great too. The Darlings have an awesome song with "Let's Roll" but they don't know their own song is political.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

But that's the case with Green Day

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Toxicity is a bad ass song by System.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Grinslade

“West Coast is much more independent..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

which is sad

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Hicks toured a lot with Tool. Apparently it never went very well though.

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Tool- aenima”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Zolan Machado

“Man, I pretty much hated rap before Rage Against the Machine.”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Tool being massivley inspired by HIcks

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

El - Yeah, I heard an interview with Green Day when they basically seemed to just think, "Hm, time to put out a political album" as if it was just on their bucket list. Weird.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

@Markus - yeah. I don't think Tool's crowd was ready for what Hicks had to say

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Yes, you won't find many who have what Technique has.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“And then of course there is Immortal Tech. Not a lot of rappers touch Tech. He is like a journo-rapper, talking about regime changes, neoliberal fascism, CIA drug connections, et cet.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think that there is great stuff being done everywhere. I have seen great work in Kansas city, Seattle, San Antonio, LA. Its just finding it.”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Although I might put "Uncle Sam Goddamn" near the top of my list of political songs.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

Oh yeah, that's another great one Lee

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Lucy - We just talked about Muse.

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Yes, Net Neutrality in the States has already taken a hit and the fight for its survival is ongoing.”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

comedy and experimental metal - that would take some rare alchemy

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

There are probably more but I just don't know about them

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

If we get into political comedians, I would put Stuart Lee up there. Stanhope at times.

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Jay Z draws Loony Toons cartoons; Tech is drawing Picasso Guernica type shit with his lyrics.”

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“no british artists being mentioned here? why is that?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

@Michael, he was. But it's also interesting to note that we could name a SHIT TON of bands from the 60s and 70s that were political

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

b/c it was "cool" back then

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

pop culture accepted it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Roger Waters was mentioned too! Wasn't he a brit?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“still waiting for that supermassive blackhole to finally end the misery on this rock of ours”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Lee I haven't gotten into Stuart Lee. What would be a good start?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

@Tim - I think your'e right

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“what changed that? oh yeah,shit reality TV shows and the buy up of our media MIGHT have had something to do with it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

I sure as shit hope you're right :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

@Wes - you tell me :)

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Stewart Lee's latest rants against or Uk-lite version of Sarah Palin have been funny

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

Stewart Lees' Comedy Vehicle is th most recent TV stuff

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

I think political art might get more popular simply because we're headed towards a time when it will be impossible to ignore all the stuff Eleanor and I talk about in our art. Once it's impossible to ignore, there will be more of it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

Revealing in what way? Hard hitting emotionally or politically??

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Grinslade

“I think it has something to do with the individuals who choose to start running as far from convention and the east coast as they can and when they get to the Pacific they run outta room...lol.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think right now we are somewhat experiencing a revival of that "coolness" as it concerns discussing political ideas through art.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Eleanor, true. Bob dylan, like old dylan when it was just him and his harmonica was in the tradition of Guthrie, and Guthrie was mega political. Bob seger..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

@Keef and @Lee, absolutely!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“@Eleanor, what is your most revealing, hardhitting song?”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Keef - I take full credit for your blow up! :D

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

@Lucy - I do mourn the loss of both Eddie's lipstick and his political prowess

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

http://stewartlee.co.uk (not on commission i promise)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

@Tim - aint that the truth!! My FB activist art page is blowing the hell up. That's why I believe there's hope to crack the four walls.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“eddie izzard used to be funny and political.he's gone all hollywood now.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

@Kathy - she beast - that is a great visual right there!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

Lucy, Tim, Robin, anyone wanna jump on that one?

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

@Keef u aint the only one either, I have a friend doing a pixeks for the people page on there

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Kathy - I've avoided talking about Hillary because I believe we should have TEN FUCKING MINUTES BETWEEN ELECTIONS WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT AN ELECTION!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kathy Grinslade

“When are we going to start seeing art about the she beast Hillary? Where is that protest art?”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

But soon I'll have no choice but to start going after the next war hawk looking ot have their finger on the button.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

@Wes - I'll give you a list of a few: Complicity, Folk Devils, Chains and Run Away

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

If anyone wants to give shout outs to their friends or others who do great activist art, now is the time. We got a few minutes left.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

Thanks Lucy - sadly, it's not mine :)

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Lucy Dyer (who's here) does cool stuff. Check her out on Facebook. Anthony Freda (also on facebook) kicks ass.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

But I'd be lying if I said I didn't like our version better :)

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Even Eleanor Goldfield occasionally paints.

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Yes, Abby Martin makes great art!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

@Wes - thanks! Connect with us online too, let us know what you liked :)

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Keef Ward's art page is "Art With Teeth"

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Have we talked about combat dolphins yet? because errr that exists. yes, that is a thing. flipper has gone rogue and shit. that happened. im conflicted. whats next? will army ants no longer be just a fun metaphor??! sigh”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - fortunate son is good one”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

I dabble :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

When champagne is involved

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Thanks, I will def be studying and enjoying your work”

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Yes, I love Banksy.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

Cider works too!

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Abby Martin's art page is bad ass. she does psychedelic art sorta like Alex Gray.”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

Thanks Lee and Eleanor for getting this crew together! Look forward t doing this again.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“https://www.facebook.com/ArtofDB?ref=hl - my FB page for anyone whos interested :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

All of the above work :)

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

we've got 5 MINUTES LEFT! STOP THE GOODBYES!

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

I'll try to drag Abby on one day.

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from That Guy

“Im late to the convo but Banksy's art is awesome”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

@Michael - I saw a shirt of that one day, but that's not as permanent as a tatt of course

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“champagne? blimey,i have cider!”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

Abby has already been on the MOC Show.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Thank you Lee and Eleanor for another engaging tawk.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

ALE

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

@Markus - every Tuesday at 4pm PST, 7pm EST

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“i wanna get the balloon girl tat, the one where he tagged the Gaza wall.”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

Here's my interview with Abby - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM80bqm7gqM

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“can we get abbey to do a tawk???”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ooo yes Lee,get Abby on you podcast!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

LOVE that one

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i know but do another one”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

By the way, my new comedy special comes out in a few days! Hope you'll check it out. A little band called Rooftop Revolutionaries did the music.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

when does this happen again?

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Michael - Yes, it's a podcast.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

@Michael - fuck yeah! Check it out on his site!

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

You can search it on iTunes - hold on I'll get you the link

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

@Tim - amen to that

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Ya I work with a dude at my restaurant that has a shirt of banskeys stuff, the one where the guy is throwing a boquet of flowers instead of a molotov cocktail”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

And thank you Wes!

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

http://j.mp/MOCrev

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

That's the link to the podcast

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Wait, lee you have a podcast too? So MOC and a pcast???”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Here is to hoping that the trend continues to gain momentum and we see more activism and ideas come out through artistic outlets and through social media.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Thank you Lee and Eleanor, your work is very needed. and very respected!”

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Both Eleanor and I are performing May 10th at the United We Stand festival in LA

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

If you're bringing cider Lucy - give me a few days and a row boat. I'll be right there!

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Immortal Technique and Abby Martin also on the bill

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Plus Amber Lyon, Wu-Tang, Public Enemy and more

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Yeah - if you click on the banner at the bottom of this page, it'll take you to the festival page

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Snap. Ill check it out. Thanks!!”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Looking forward to it!”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Thanks Lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“well shit,i have so enjoyed this tawk. i wanna take you all home and party! failing that,see you oh about 7pm next week? :-)”

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Anyone can feel free to keep talking after the "tawk" is over. No need to leave at 8pm (EST)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Oh I love No'Leans :)

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Zolan Machado

“This was my first tawk, can't wait for the next one! Thanks guys!”

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Michael - I have no idea

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I am tempted to take the train down to LA for that one.”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

damn sometimes I wish I was in the US

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“new orleans, yall need to come!”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Goodbye all. I laughed. I cried. I peed myself. Thank you!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

mine too, you popped my tawking cherry

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Here's my new MOC video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cipYc-oJ83I

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“Markus, the event is going to be streamed live. Right guys? The United Fest??”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“(:sweet El, Im front row”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i am still waiting for the day when Eleanor and Lee gig over here in the UK.....one day....”

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wes Lee

“Let's start a FUCKING REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!”

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Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 1:21 AM★ Spotlighted

My choice of activist art would of course, be postcards due primarily to their exposure while traveling along their wonderful journey.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:31 PM★ Spotlighted

so freakin' excited for this tawk! :-)

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 10:54 PM

Hello fellow activists!

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:54 PM

greetings Wes :-)

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:55 PM

hiowdy Wes and Lucy

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:55 PM

hey Robin.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:55 PM

awesome topic for tonights tawk,no? :-)

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:55 PM

yes it is!

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 10:55 PM

Disobey.. if only everyone would agree to do that at the same time.

Luke IngersollApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

Hello all.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

for sure, wes

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

@Wes - slowly we are

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

hiya luke

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

hey Luke

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

hey there Tim

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

hey tim

Luke IngersollApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

This is my first Tawk.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:56 PM

cool. you're gonna like it

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:57 PM★ Spotlighted

dont worry Luke,Eleanor and Lee are both gentle....at first! hehe

Blake IanApr 22, 2014, 10:58 PM

Hey iPhone users... New update has larger font sizes! ?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:58 PM

hey Blake,great app btw :-)

Blake IanApr 22, 2014, 10:59 PM

Thanks Lucy ?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:59 PM

Hey to the awesome Eleanor!!

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 10:59 PM

and hey there Lee :-)

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 10:59 PM

Hey Eleanor! and yo yo yooo @ lee

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 10:59 PM★ Spotlighted

hello eleanor and lee

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:00 PM

already done so Lee....

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:00 PM

loll

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:01 PM

do you get free coupons from Christian Mingle when we do,Lee?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:01 PM

SAVE THE MINGE!!

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:02 PM

lol i knew i loved you guys for a reason.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:02 PM★ Spotlighted

well, eleanor is can be both of course

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:02 PM★ Spotlighted

I think the best is a combination of both

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:03 PM

oh man there are so many....especially on facefuck...sorry,facebook.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

i like the huge street art projects on buildings. they can be both. banksy and such.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

I am a fan of Roger Waters who has over the years mixed his artistic vision with his political views.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:04 PM

I can enjoy his music as escapism and as commentary on things going on

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:04 PM

Ron English is someone i have gotten into recently

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:04 PM

nope.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:05 PM

i will. thank you

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

and then there's the awesome Anthony Freda

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:06 PM

*blushes* aww shucks Lee

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

Art should reflect a decaying society... well thats the art I like.. honest art

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:06 PM

hello markus

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:06 PM

so cant wait to see that art

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

if it was thriving.. yes

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:07 PM

the word "art" can cover a whole wide range of things not just what i or Banksy does. for example, look at what Lee and Eleanor do

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee. Do you ever get nervous when going ballsout on the powers that be?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:07 PM

@Wes - from i have seen,he loves doing that

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

in my work, i try to depict a reverence and awe of nature, mostly. to draw attention to how important it is to respect and take care of the planet.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

painting things i love like extremem close up of flowers, water, people, mountain scenery, etc.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

I try to show people things they might not get the opportunity to see otherwise. And hopefully show them a different way to view things in the process. Preferably with respect instead of fear

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

neither, eleanor. hadn't thought about that. it is definitely a message i want to get out though.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

right on tim.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

Good activist art should be exhilarating & fun.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

i have to say that i love doing the quote images i do. i am trying to broaden what i do and not do so much people i know so much. there';s only so many Lee pics about to deface!

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:12 PM

if i did this right, it should show you my facebook page for my paintings

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

One should have fun when exposing crooks & liars.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

I am a wildlife photographer and my main interest is in the Black Bear population of Northwestern Washington. Alot of people have a built in fear of bears that is unwarranted in my experiance,

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:12 PM

https://www.facebook.com/RobinMaynardFineArt?fref=ts forgot to put this in

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

to me activism art is something that touches someone deep enough to make them express it the way they know how.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

Psychopaths in suits. How can we incorporate making fun of them in Pop Art?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

i never know how the art i make is gonna turn out. i start with an idea but it rarely finishes out that way

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:14 PM

me too lucy

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

Many of us can't draw or paint, but we can write.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

I think that is part of the fun of creating. Just being on the ride and seeing how it comes out.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

writing is wonderful

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:15 PM

definitely, tim

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

hey Eleanor,maybe i can turn some of your words into images later? been awesome doing so so far

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:16 PM

And writing postcards is so easy and fun.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

Writing is the hardest thing in the world to do. So much has already been done. But it is a worthwhile endeavor. Finding that perfect wording -- nothing beats it.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

I think it could be, if it creates something as you read it. A good mental image of what the writer is trying to convey, a mood, or emotion.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

i cant write for toffee. my mind works faster than my fingers do,so i miss SO many words out,or the spelling goes to pot lol

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

Certainly. I am neither musically nor painting inclined, but I can begin to see that as being the same case. It is a process that can't be forced. You sorta have to listen to what the piece is saying and go with it.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

dont words create pictures in your mind? sometimes everone needs words to get their creative juices flowing

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

The NSA doesn't know how to spy on your writing.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:18 PM

Hunter S. Thompson used lots of graphics too. Didn't he use Crumb's cartoons???

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

i do lots of different kinds of things for creativity. it has been interesting to see the process is the same for all, the flow of it, too.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Underground is much better. and you have to search hard.. thats when we stumble upon people like you and Lee

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:20 PM

i have to have music playing while i do what i do. i can be dancing around like a crazy woman and still come up with something great. i guess it takes alsorts

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

Definitely agree, we start to see a shift. People rather alternative news these days. its great

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

I think art has been co-opted in the mainstream, where you have tepid forms of entertainment which serve the status quo. Citcoms co-opt stand-up, Hollywood co-opts independent artistic films. But with increase in tech those gatekeepers r crumbling.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

i read that being kind of tired and distracted lends itself to getting "in the zone" for creativity

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

Addendum: even stand-up has been co-opted some, except for Lee's stuff, which is hard-hitting and carries on the legacy of Hicks and Carlin.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

i blame Lee for getting me to look at "underground" news places. its a big friggin world out there. love finding shit that no-one has.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:22 PM

@Robin - true that. :-)

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

= D good ol' Hunter S.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

Ya Lucy -- news outside the usual corporate feed is totally different. They actually dig and muckrake real fucking news rather than looking at what is trending on YT.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm ready for Lee's new comedy! HELL YEAH

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:24 PM

@Wes - who isnt ready for THAT?

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

@ Lee, ya man. It has become a sort of careerism for them. Plus they can venture out. I mean you have the likes of Zach Galafanakis who has done his Hangover movies now. And doing propaganda for Obama with his Between Two Ferns.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:24 PM

"acceptable thought". how totally boring!

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:24 PM

the anticipation is painful hahaha

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:25 PM

Lee, yep. They are the financial oligarchs. Same with media. Abby Martin was just censored from BBC because she called out the UK on its aiding the US in empire-building.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:25 PM

It is always good to keep focused of the implications of one's choice of art.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:25 PM

Alright, let us all get together, and burn down the Federal Reserve Bank. Thats real art.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:26 PM

i cant remember the last time i went to the cinema. been years.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

@ Lee, ya maybe that is an exaggeration to say it was propaganda, but it just seemed like a shameless plug. I love his early stuff, like at the Onion. O my fuck that shit is funny.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

Ya I heard that movie was good. It was a Koch-block, which is always good, considering they are straight effing us in the ass.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:27 PM

Lee< i used to listen to Lee And Herring Show when i was younger. funny as fuck!

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:28 PM

You ever notice how increasingly slime ball corporations do not list a physical address...well, there are reasons for this cowardly action.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Politically conscience. Art is not a job:p

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Not so much a job. I think that it has to be something that the artists loves to do. It has to come from a place of passion, otherwise it comes across as empty and just trying to pander to a certain group.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, yes! Art and politics are one and the same. We need more jesters looking the king in the face and saying the brutal truth. I think humor is inherently involved with transformation, poking and prodding status quo.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:29 PM

Aside from people showing up, just think of the mail they would get delivered too their physical address.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, yes. "Folk Devils" is def. in that same vein. True art.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:29 PM

No thank you!

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

sorry Eleanor.. I'm just not liking the words job and art in the same sentence.. Job makes me think of "money"

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

markus,,, observation, indignation, love, hate, wanting a change.

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

I don't think of what I do as a job because I never looked forward to any job I have had as much as I look forward to what I do now. I suppose it is all in perception

Rachel McDonnellApr 22, 2014, 11:30 PM

I thought that was the dream? Find a "job" you don't mind doing the rest of your life. Artists have the best "job

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:30 PM

It is unfortunate. and hopefully temporary.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

Idk if you guys are TZM appreciaters

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, yes true. But look at the legendary comics. I mean stand-up got its start with Lenny Bruce saying shit that wasn't allowed or was taboo, shaking up biz as usual.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

I guess its who you make your money from and what you do with it.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

I saw that bro. You did an interview as well. great stuff man

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

That is a very impressive moment in you career if you ask me @ Lee

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

Bill Hicks,to me,taught me SO much. and now we have these guys - the hosts - to take over. and a damn fine job they are doing too.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

Damn.. they sure get their panties in a bunch

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

Carlin was legendary

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, well said. Ya, long history of comic dissent. Didn't Carlin get censored from swearing for a time? On HBO??

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

True, and we are brewing up a whole new level of thought. Global awakening perhaps

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

but getting a message across about something you are passionate about can be hard. what if the general public dont see what you do? altho,that can be great too. give you a different point of view

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:36 PM

The truth is viral(:

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

Sure would be nice to see more comedy done on the supreme court...the fucking supremes and their black robes.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

Last time I was down South I walked into this restaurant, and this white waitress came up to me and said: 'We don't serve colored people here.' I said: 'that's all right, I don't eat colored people. Bring me a whole fried chicken.' Dick Gregory

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - very true. and one reason why people are getting off their fat asses and doing something about. its great to see

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:37 PM

Keef your shit is awesome. Huge fan. Keep up the good work man.

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:37 PM

"ask your doctor if getting off your ass is right for you."

Zolan MachadoApr 22, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

We have the ability to get messages out more easily, it's just difficult getting them recognized over all of the cat photos sometimes..

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:37 PM

What is the proper mailing address for the supreme court anyway?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

@Keef - i would love to see that kind of art in galleries more but i dont think it will be for a while. it goes against what the fat cats who pay for the galleries want

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:38 PM

That's a good point. You can get art with a message out easier because of social networking, but you still have to get through the barrage of bs that seems to keep people asleep, or not caring.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

walmart has so much wall space... with no art

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:38 PM

Plus I hear Banksy has an agent and his tags are walled off and accounted for. Is that true??

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee thats why we gotta protect the fuck outta this internet while we still have it

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

think outside the box. do whatEVER it takes to get what you want to do to the world. even if it takes a while and it may feel like you aint getting anywhere,keep at it. someone,somewhere wil love it and spread the word about you

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:39 PM

well i hope so anyways lol

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:40 PM

poop is good.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

Yes Lee and lettuce remember that Net Neutrality is currently no more in America...sadly.

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

I agree with Lee..art isn't either or..it's more encompassing and and subjective to the observer...

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

if we are to protect the internet,we need to stop TPP

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM

A lot of things are no more in America.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, only if it is diarrhea consistency, so you can get a Jackson Pollick-like drip painting of feces.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM

TPP is going to be harder than putting poo on walmart walls unfortunately

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

Rebel Music,Heistclick....um.......oh yeah Rooftop Revolutionaries!!! :-)

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

Communication through art is like sex.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM

dman that should be rebel inc. lol told ya my spelling was naff

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

Rage Against the Machine, Roger Waters, Rooftop Revolutionaries

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:42 PM

Linkin Park can be political too .their song was used for the World Wide Wave Of Action

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

Toxicity is a bad ass song by System.

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

West Coast is much more independent..

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:43 PM

How do you own disorder? You don't bitches!!!!!

Zolan MachadoApr 22, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

Man, I pretty much hated rap before Rage Against the Machine.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

Tool- aenima

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:44 PM

@markus - Hicks introduced Tool once at their gig

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

I think that there is great stuff being done everywhere. I have seen great work in Kansas city, Seattle, San Antonio, LA. Its just finding it.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

And then of course there is Immortal Tech. Not a lot of rappers touch Tech. He is like a journo-rapper, talking about regime changes, neoliberal fascism, CIA drug connections, et cet.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:45 PM

man,i have so much listening to do. Thanks you guys. always looking for new music to listen to

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

Yes, Net Neutrality in the States has already taken a hit and the fight for its survival is ongoing.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

Jay Z draws Loony Toons cartoons; Tech is drawing Picasso Guernica type shit with his lyrics.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

no british artists being mentioned here? why is that?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:46 PM

cant think of nay btw...

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:46 PM

mmmm muse are ok

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:46 PM

but only one band? wtf?

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Roger Waters was mentioned too! Wasn't he a brit?

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

I think it has something to do with the individuals who choose to start running as far from convention and the east coast as they can and when they get to the Pacific they run outta room...lol.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

still waiting for that supermassive blackhole to finally end the misery on this rock of ours

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee I haven't gotten into Stuart Lee. What would be a good start?

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:48 PM

I know this thought is pretty prevalent in WA state, lol. We went as far from the norm as we could go..

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

what changed that? oh yeah,shit reality TV shows and the buy up of our media MIGHT have had something to do with it

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

I think right now we are somewhat experiencing a revival of that "coolness" as it concerns discussing political ideas through art.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, true. Bob dylan, like old dylan when it was just him and his harmonica was in the tradition of Guthrie, and Guthrie was mega political. Bob seger..

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor, what is your most revealing, hardhitting song?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

eddie izzard used to be funny and political.he's gone all hollywood now.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsqgBnYu9Q

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:50 PM

politically, or just honest truth.. anything you think you struck home with my mind lol

Kathy GrinsladeApr 22, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

When are we going to start seeing art about the she beast Hillary? Where is that protest art?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:51 PM

i am sure someone will come up with something lol

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:51 PM

does not feel good to me to do negative subjects. =D sorry.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:52 PM

Oh yeah, you are a fucking beast @ Eleanor. where have you been all my life??

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

Have we talked about combat dolphins yet? because errr that exists. yes, that is a thing. flipper has gone rogue and shit. that happened. im conflicted. whats next? will army ants no longer be just a fun metaphor??! sigh

Robin MaynardApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM

see ya later, keef

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - fortunate son is good one

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM

Ain't nothing quiet like sending postcards to evil entities. It is sit-down art.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

Thanks, I will def be studying and enjoying your work

That GuyApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM

We can't keep looking for the state to solve the problems of the state.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

Abby Martin's art page is bad ass. she does psychedelic art sorta like Alex Gray.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

https://www.facebook.com/ArtofDB?ref=hl - my FB page for anyone whos interested :-)

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM

Lee, yes and El is a good painter no less! I've seen

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM

@Lee. I think Abbey really likes you man, I've never seen a girl so giggly

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM

Beautiful Bodies, especially after they guitar player got the rubber bullet treatment last weekend

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM

:) hahahahahahhahaha truth

That GuyApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

Im late to the convo but Banksy's art is awesome

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

champagne? blimey,i have cider!

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 22, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

Thank you Lee and Eleanor for another engaging tawk.

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

i wanna get the balloon girl tat, the one where he tagged the Gaza wall.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

can we get abbey to do a tawk???

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

ooo yes Lee,get Abby on you podcast!

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:55 PM

WHOO! Thanks Lee

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

i know but do another one

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:56 PM

wish it was that early here lol

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

Ya I work with a dude at my restaurant that has a shirt of banskeys stuff, the one where the guy is throwing a boquet of flowers instead of a molotov cocktail

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Wait, lee you have a podcast too? So MOC and a pcast???

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Thank you Lee and Eleanor, your work is very needed. and very respected!

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Here is to hoping that the trend continues to gain momentum and we see more activism and ideas come out through artistic outlets and through social media.

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM

yes micheal,he does both. the podcast has added "texture" built in

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Looking forward to it!

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Snap. Ill check it out. Thanks!!

Michael MicklowApr 22, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

Thanks Lee

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:58 PM

@Lee you might be setting a record for most vids on youtube huh?

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

well shit,i have so enjoyed this tawk. i wanna take you all home and party! failing that,see you oh about 7pm next week? :-)

Zolan MachadoApr 22, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

This was my first tawk, can't wait for the next one! Thanks guys!

Lucy DyerApr 22, 2014, 11:59 PM

woohoo!! there will be a bucket load of cider waiting,Eleanor!

Tim HayesApr 22, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

I am tempted to take the train down to LA for that one.

Wes LeeApr 22, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

new orleans, yall need to come!

Michael MicklowApr 23, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Markus, the event is going to be streamed live. Right guys? The United Fest??

Chris OwensApr 23, 2014, 12:00 AM

Brother Ali too!

Lucy DyerApr 23, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

i am still waiting for the day when Eleanor and Lee gig over here in the UK.....one day....

Wes LeeApr 23, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

(:sweet El, Im front row

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

Now it is time for token talk about Oligarchy.

Michael MicklowApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

Ya I believe it is. I was talking to Alex Fidel today and I swore he said it was.

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

toker talk

Wes LeeApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Let's start a FUCKING REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

Tim HayesApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

Thank you for the Tawk

Lucy DyerApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

and thats the trickle down effect from, Lee Camp!

Michael MicklowApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

Peace Lee. Keeping fighting brother man

Johnathonfall thethirdApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

Start...the revolution is underway and will continue!

Lucy DyerApr 23, 2014, 12:01 AM

peace y'all!! :-)

Wes LeeApr 23, 2014, 12:02 AM

@Lucy Dyer, you have a FB?

Wes LeeApr 23, 2014, 12:03 AM

let's finish then

Wes LeeApr 23, 2014, 12:04 AM

because we have a LOOOONG way to go