Jordan Birnbaum

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Lee Camp

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Mar 20, 2013

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:00 AM

Mr. Lee Camp?

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Yep

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:00 AM

Welcome!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Let's rock this thing

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:01 AM

All right - For the audience, I have a couple of things to share

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:01 AM

if you want to participate, you have to sign-in

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:01 AM

otherwise you can just watch

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:01 AM

if you sign in, go to the audience section below

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:01 AM

"listen" to the audience membrs you want to hear

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:02 AM

and vote on any comments you want to move up

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:02 AM

and that is that

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:02 AM

So Lee, I thought of a great question to start

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

I doubt that!

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:02 AM

if you had the power to change or write 5 laws, off the top of your head, what are they?

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

oh christ. let's see...

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

1) money out of politics

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:03 AM

did you expect softballs?

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

2) Citizens United (kinda same as one)

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:03 AM

yeah that counts as one

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

3) Get rid of drug laws that unfairly lock people away (ie pot)

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:03 AM

3 to go

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

4) Something to make sure that corporate coup trade deals like Trans-Pacific Partnership cannot be passed

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

Perhaps that would take the form of some kind of rights for the planet - tough to say.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:04 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:05 AM

that it'll count

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:05 AM

last one

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

5) Breast feeding in public is not just legal everywhere but encouraged.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:05 AM

audience, I'm looking for some help here as well

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:06 AM

but having had time to prepare, I thought of a good one - de-privitize the public infrastructure

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

Come on people, chime in. Give your own laws.

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

I like that, Jordan.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:06 AM

they might be signing in, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

Is it possible to pass de-privatization laws?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:06 AM

Yeah, so I have a pretty ambitious list of topics I want to cover

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:07 AM

yes in our imaginary universe everything is possible

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

Awesome.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:07 AM

So I want to start with MOC - for people who don't know, that is "Moment Of Clarity" Lee's ongoing Web series

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:08 AM

You are now the primary source of really interesting and disturbing news that I don't hear anywhere else

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

That's an honor

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

Always good to be disturbing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:08 AM

but what makes it even scarier is that you always provide the articles from which you cull your information

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:08 AM

and they're credible

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Thanks man. Yeah, I've started providing my sources more and more

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Hey Dickies - thanks for makin it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:09 AM

so my question is how frustrating is it for you to compete with pundits who make stuff up?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“*waves* hey you two!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“This should be pretty awesome...”

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

It can be frustrating - a good example

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

is when someone agrees with me on most of my stuff but then is completely different on one topic - like climate change.

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

But yes, I've started providing my sources more and more because I want people to know I'm not making this shit up.

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

There's so much information, blogarrhea out there nowadays that people are demanding sources more and more

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:11 AM

How much time do you have to spend researching? And what impact does that have on your psyche?

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Ha.

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Yeah, I don't mind the time spent on research. But yes, the time spent hearing/reading how fucked up things are can be exhausting.

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

There are some great writers that I have to put down because I get too depressed.

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

I guess that's why I'm a comedian and I try to add humor to it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:13 AM

Just to give a few examples, your latest episodes exposed that the fluoride in the water supply is clinically proven to lower our IQ, and this is just out in the open

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Sudy

“Money out of politics was the one of the first move in Plato's Republic-- for all you very ancient philosophy fans out there”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“I'm always amazed that "money out of politics" is still something we dream of, as opposed to just a no brainer immediate move....”

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

Funny you pick that one - that was the one I got the most crap for. And it's because the studies (27 of them) were actually done on children.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:14 AM

Why did you get crap?

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

So fluoride DOES affect IQ significantly but it's in higher levels than we receive in the US usually and it was on children.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:14 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:15 AM

so the money out of politics has struck a chord

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

People got very angry because I didn't mention the details of the study. So I put a clarifying annotation on the video

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:15 AM

cool.

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

Yes, back to money and politics

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:16 AM

so I guess the biggest thing about money in politics is that we all want it, and yet it is imposible for us to achieve. so does this mean that we don't actually live in a democracy?

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

Wow. I mean we are in a Republic and unfortunately the power elite have figured out how to rig 90% of the game. So they are never going to vote themselves out of a job.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:17 AM

what is the way out?

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

Well Move To Amend is a big one. I just helped make some videos for them.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:18 AM

So, you're tag line is Keep Fighting. How long have you felt like that?

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

Hmmm, I don't know. I feel like the real change in me happened after the Iraq War began. But I've been saying Keep Fighting for probably two years now.

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

It probably became more prevalent in my stuff during Occupy. You know, watching your friends get pepper sprayed and arrested, you kinda have to remind yourself to keep at it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:20 AM

So about Occupy, what do you say to the people who think that the movement lacked a clear sense of purpose or agenda

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

I never agreed with the "You need a demand" idea. But the "headless" aspect of Occupy made it both effective and ineffective.

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

There was no way for the powerful to cut the head off (as they did with Wikileaks) but also there was some aimlessness.

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

But that being said, I never thought Occupy should come up with a "law" they wanted or a politician they backed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:22 AM

Can you describe Occupy's relationship with the Democratic Party

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

Because once you come up with one demand, it's easy for the naysayers to say "that's impossible" or "we tried" and then dismiss you

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

I'd say most Occupiers feel the Democratic party has been largely bought by corporate money but that on social issues, it's better than the GOP. I think a great deal of Occupy people are sick of the two party system.

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

I mean, you see that with Obama in office Wall Street is still making Girls Gone Wild look like an Amish community. So not much has changed on wall street.

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

@Peter - thanks

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:24 AM

One of the trickiest things to do is be a progressive and criticize Obama, because it's as though you are indirectly supporting the Republican credibility

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Peter Crysdale

“@Dickies - Cool. Just signing it now... http://movetoamend.nationbuilder.com/petition”

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Yeah, but I also think it furthers the whole corporate agenda to just have people sheepishly support Obama. I mean, nothing will ever change if we do that. I'm not talking about voting, but I'm talking about how we speak to our friends.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:26 AM

So you are a political comedian, a stand-up, a Webcaster - do you think the ay you cover politics creates any special barriers for you?

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

Oh definitely. I think I would've had many more opportunities on TV if I weren't covering these issues.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:27 AM

what about at the clubs?

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

But at the same time, the type of people who are attracted to my stuff are the greatest people in the world. I wouldn't give this up for anything.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:27 AM

And do you think that liberals don't want to hear the bad stuff about Obama?

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

Well, it's weird about clubs -

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“How do you identify the line between being disarming and being vindictive? I find a guy like Maher so great because while he rips the shit out of people, he does so in a way that somehow brilliantly manages to be above vindictiveness.”

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

At clubs I generally do very well. People laugh. The crowd enjoys themselves. But it's often the owners of the clubs or bookers who get creeped out by politics. So they stop booking me sometimes because they're afraid.

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

But in fact the audience enjoys the show.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

That's pretty Lenny Bruce, dude. be proud.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:29 AM

Good point, Andrei - it's an art

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

I don't mind being vindictive, ha. I don't know. I only truly go after people who are ultra wealthy asshole jizz waffles. You know, those guys.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:30 AM

do you ever get scared?

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Of?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:30 AM

repercussions in your life?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:30 AM

I mean, I thinki you're petty brave

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Not really. Not from the powerful people. Of course sometimes asshole trolls will come after me and that's not fun.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:31 AM

We gotte get you security

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

You know this guy who filmed the 47% video and just did all those interviews. - I mean, people showed up to his house to threaten him.

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

That shit is pretty scary. People are nuts.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:31 AM

ll right - so in a perfect world, how would you define the left wing vs. right wing ideology?

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

If you mean left/right in government, I think that 95% of them are the same on 85% of the issues. Wall street - same. War - same. Prison industrial complex - same. Drone attacks - same. Indefinite detention - same.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:33 AM

When did that come about?

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

You mean when in history? I think it's probably been pretty downhill since Reagan. Corporate money realized it could purchase both sides of the fight.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Although I don't know my history. Maybe it's much older than that.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:35 AM

Well, it seems like there was a period like this right before the Great Depression (think Boardwalk Empire). Then everything went to hell. Then FDR introduced New Deal and everything was great. Then Reagen undid everything. The end.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:36 AM

Also think Gangs of New York

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Yeah, it seems like it should get bad enough that people would come running back to the other side. But I think that back in the 1930's the propaganda arm wasn't as well set up. So the social idea of common good was able to get an upper hand.

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

But the truth is getting out there now. I think we're near a tipping point.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Sudy

“shameless plug: http://instagram.com/p/W12DMhiaOw/”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

It could take ten years or twenty years, but the planet can't sustain this ridiculous ride simplistic materialistic desires. I think we'll see a turn around.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

It is so good to hear a sense of optimism from you

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

Sorry. It was an accident.

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

I'll reign that in.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:38 AM

OK - so let's talk about solutions

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

I think we have to go back to the beginning and realize that it all begins with a simple compromise

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

society or anarchy

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

Yeah, I think people have forgotten why we created this whole "society" thing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachael Workman

“guys, don't forget to "like" the comments that you want the hosts to address/answer. they can't see it unless it gets a lot of votes and becomes "overheard"”

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

We did it to survive together. Not to stomp on people's heads to get rich.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:41 AM

I sometimes believe that capitalism is misunderstood as the goal unto itself. It's supposed to be the path to the maximization of public good, which is the actual goal.

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

I mean, the problem is that money is power - so the more money, the more power. So the people saying "it's not about money" are never the people with the power. It's the people without the power/money.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

However, hopefully, we have the numbers.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

I have to say that it is very rewarding to watch the right-wing hate squad collapse upon itself. I think the Tea Party is like Frankenstein, coming back to kill the GOP that created it.

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

Isn't it amazing that they've convinced so many americans that "common good" is a dirty word?! It's fucking insane.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“andrei,thats fine but trouble is you are shooting everyone else done who has an opinion. fine that it aint the same as yours,but dont shoot them down like you do”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

Yeah, that Tea Party was created by the Koch Bros and Fox News largely. And they have pulled the GOP to the right. But it's eating them inside out.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:44 AM

ohh, a fight in the audience

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

So there's a fight in the forum that I can't see?? Crazy.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:44 AM

settle people. we're not going to improve the state if things if we can't stand each other

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“@dickies, i'm just tired of trite ideology masquerading as legitimate discourse. everyone thinks they're an expert on everything but our perceptions are shaped by our experiences”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

It's like performing at a comedy club where you can only hear an occasional line from someone in the dark. You don't always know when there's a fight going on.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:45 AM

I think we have our first heckler

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

So what exactly qualifies as legitimate discourse?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

All right Lee, so tell me what you think are some of the most blatant examples of corruption in the US?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“andrei,may i ask,what is your problem? cos you seem to have a large chip on your shoulder”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“@charles i couldnt agree more.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:48 AM

Whose side is the audience on?

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

I mean, the most obvious examples are the revolving door between government and wall street. Obama is largely surrounded by economic advisors who worked for goldman sachs and the such.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

You know, I feel like the defining characteristic of the US when I was growing up was equal treatment under the law. That was literally the thing that made us better than everyone else. And now we have too big to jail.

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

Just so you guys know, I can't see what the "audience" is talking about. It's not that I'm ignoring you.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“for example, dickies, saying "the media" is simple and lazy. The media is massive and can't be classifided as some monolithic entity”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

@andrei - I assume she means the mainstream media. And she's right in terms of laziness.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

I'm not going to lie, Andrei - that sounds a little intolerant of an opinion

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

They have a 24 hour news cycle, so they largely stick with the easiest stories that don't require research.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:50 AM

I think I'm on Dickies side

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Even the shows I've been on (some of which I'm friends with) tend to go with stories that are "trending" rather than spending the time to uncover something more significant or more difficult.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

speaking of the media - I love the 10-year anniversary coverage of Iraq. I love how they're questioning how all this information went unreported.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

For profit news is an underrated HUGE problem.

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

@Andrei - did you describe the entire american press as a monolithic entity??

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“what i tend to disliek about large swaths of the american press is its tendency to make a lot out of the horse race of day ti day politics and in so doing overlook the real issues of the day”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

All right, Andrei - that's a statement I can get behind. You're on the road to redemption.

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

@Jordan - I agree. It's all pretty much for profic, and therefore they can't insult their advertisers

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:53 AM

I actually think that a creative solution to the for profit news problem can be countered with the inclusion of academia

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

@Andrei - I think that's a stretch. I think when someone says "the mainstream media" they mean "large swaths." They don't have to mean every reporter.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“@Andrei - Confucius says, typing with anger... lead to many typo.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Shapiro

“It's worse that that, Lee. In a consolidated and restricted media environment, there are fewer actual reporters employed by news agencies, and those that are out there are often too cozy with their sources, leading to the kind of echo chamber we saw”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

@Michael - I totally agree. You are correct.

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

There's a lot of fear of offending the key sources.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

All right, guys - we have to wrap this up in a minute. I want to thank everyone for coming, particpating, and being cool in general.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

Let's go out with one last question, Lee

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

Hey everybody, follow me @LeeCamp on Twitter and Facebook.com/LeeCampComedian

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

I put out videos like 3 days per week on youtube, if you haven't already subscribed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:56 AM

Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future of the human race?

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Hmmmmm

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“@lee, no. I said "large swaths" specifically to avoid doing just that...”

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

I think we have a good chance of fixing things if we act soon enough. I think that more people are getting informed than ever before. And it's changing the world before our eyes. That gives us a shot. But we could still fuck it up - very easily.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:58 AM

well said my friend.

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

Thanks man.

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:58 AM

Remember everyone, if you can't laugh at yourself, you'll never be in on the joke.

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Make 'em laugh or else they'll kill ya. --- who said that again?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

Keep fighting - who said that again?

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“mainstream media sucks donkey-doo big time. and its people like Lee,and others, who get the "real" news out there.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Andrei Berman

“Hope I didn't offend folks. I don't mean for strong statements to get construed as vitriolic. Just think it's important to wrestle with this stuff in a deeper way”

Jordan Birnbaum · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i laugh at myself everytime i look in the mirror”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Ha. I think it was General Lee.

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Thanks for hanging out with us, folks. Keep in touch.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:00 AM

watch every Moment of Clarity Video - it will make you much more interesting!!!

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Adios.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

what - you have to get the last word?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:01 AM

no you hang up

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

I can't figure out how!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

no you hang up

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Forum· 334 comments

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Blake IanMar 19, 2013, 10:53 PM★ Spotlighted

This should be pretty awesome...

Lucy DyerMar 19, 2013, 11:40 PM

hello!

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:00 AM

stoked!

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

*waves* hey you two!

bianca chenMar 20, 2013, 12:02 AM

this might be too complicated for me! ha

Annie LindstromMar 20, 2013, 12:03 AM

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:03 AM

christ cant help ya

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:05 AM

lee camp?

Blake IanMar 20, 2013, 12:05 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm always amazed that "money out of politics" is still something we dream of, as opposed to just a no brainer immediate move....

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:05 AM

Lee, what do you see as the primary purpose of government. I think we are in agreement that it should not be purely in service to the status quo or the economic engines. What do you feel it's real mission ought to be.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

I would say no religion in politics as well but I think there is something like that stated somewhere

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

@Blake - I don't think we'll ever get money out of politics!

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

new laws? i think we should ban advertising. art is too powerful to be used to sell things. imo.

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

Corporations are NOT people.

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

de-emphasize the need to have permits for everything

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

I had this nutty thought that perhaps promoting the general welfare should be in there somewhere. Oh. Wait.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

it took me a while to sign in. i still don't know if you can hear me.

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

Those who can garden, must.

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

buddy's were gonna have a party w/ a band thursday night at the Art Walk but we're told if they didn't get a permit the cops would confiscate all the band's instruments

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

i'd love to see more librays and youth clubs about. give something back to the kids of this world

Taunia RobertsMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

Hi Guys :)

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

(Interview by telegraph. Surely this is the way of the future)

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

way too much red tape/paperwork in this country

Jordan SudyMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

Money out of politics was the one of the first move in Plato's Republic-- for all you very ancient philosophy fans out there

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

Mandatory solar and water catchment.

Jordan SudyMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

those guarding the republic shouldn't be concerned with figuring out how to do anything but guard it

Jordan SudyMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

so im for #1

Taunia RobertsMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

Love MOC. Never miss it

Jordan SudyMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

obviously

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

oh make it law that anyone who wants to be a politician doesnt become one

Brian YorukMar 20, 2013, 12:08 AM

lee camp

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

i see dickies, i see dylan... lee i heard you speaking with george carlin's daughter??? wha whaaa? where is SHE on fb? i also still do not understand the topic, personally.

Brian YorukMar 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

i just want to say your MOC video series is so enlightening

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

oh hai

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

lee speaks the truth.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

no problem Lee

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:10 AM

lol come to me! i fight that fire with other random bullshit fire. i will so counter with some crazier more untrue but also in line with MY way of thinking propaganda. shut the fox up. fuck freedom.

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:10 AM

Sup? (:;)

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:11 AM★ Spotlighted

How do you identify the line between being disarming and being vindictive? I find a guy like Maher so great because while he rips the shit out of people, he does so in a way that somehow brilliantly manages to be above vindictiveness.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:11 AM

Lee? make stuff up? as if

Annie LindstromMar 20, 2013, 12:11 AM

how do I give a thumbs up or down, didn't do my tutorial. bad me

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:12 AM

he's not hating his targets overtly, per se, he's just shitting on them so badly that the audience hates them anyway

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:12 AM

Is it possible to be this invested in the horrors of modern society without succumbing to depression?

Annie LindstromMar 20, 2013, 12:12 AM

Oh I get that part now

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:13 AM

i just found listen buttons?

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

Lee, one of my issues with left leaning comics is that, as much as they profess to be "of the people," they often live lives far removed from the everyman. Do you style yourself a champion of the people or a critic

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

@Alia - click the audience tab at the bottom you'll find who wants to listen to you - click the listen button

Blake IanMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

27 is a very important number in the Universe Lee.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

just think, even with the fluoride in the water, we are this awesome. imagine how fast we will solve these problems once we take the first major steps in cleaning up the planet :D

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

because if you're the latter, i can fuck with that, but it's the former that irks me due to the sanctimony of it

Sam WeinschenkMar 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

One of the reasons I like Lee is becaus other activism often seems to be too politically correct. I was wondering if Lee thinks its important to be politically incorrect in order to reach the people who are turned off by politically correct activism?

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

Humor makes terrible things easier to come to terms with

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

i don't think you will ever get money totally out of politics.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

i always intuitively say money out of politics and yet...i'm a hypocrite because sometimes the "popular" view that would come to the fore in the absence of money fucking sucks

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

I don't think we've ever lived in a democracy, Jordan

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

Yes, that's my understanding of the whole fluoride issue--that in the sorts of concentrations in which you find elsewhere (China, if I recall), fluoride is shown to be toxic, but in the concentrations like those in the US water supply, it is harmless

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

@Peter - thats very true. i makes it easier to swallow,as it were

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

Jordan, for about forty years now we have been moving away from Democratic-Republic to Republican-Democracy.

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

one could point to the bar amendment in 1998 preventing the counting of the vote in Washington DC. after exit polls showed the medical marijuana law was passing 69 to 31%

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

like if rich gay people and their supporters hadn't poured dough into gay rights, we wouldnt be nearly as far along

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

Yes, That is what it means Jordan

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

Am I the only person who thinks that getting rid of Citizens United runs the serious risk of destroying free speech?

Brian YorukMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

just fucking genius

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

so money out of politics can also lead to shortsighted populism that hurts people

Jacob GriesmerMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

What about joining the 177 nations for a Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space?

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

and i'm not trying to be a contrarian. i just think it's more difficult in practice and that once it gets messy people would be frustrated

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

What is Move To Amend?

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

It means, I think, that the two systems are so large, that we are being force into socio-evolutionary change.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

first and foremost i think we need transparency in giving

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

total fucking transparency

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

jordan,you should always fight for what you believe in,no matter how big or small

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

I mean, if you really limit free speech to individuals, you've eliminated the notion of individuals banding together to collectively make a point heard.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

in my opinion, we need to take the best minds in our nation, the ones now busy making the best weapons of all time, and put them on solving these problems. trying to solve them ourselves is foolish. swords to plowshares

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

@peter,easiest things to say is google it

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

#keepfighting. #goodadvice.

Blake IanMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

@dickie - As a very small person... I appreciate that.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

minimum wages for congress anyone?

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

lol

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

@blake - shit what did i say? hehe

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

There is no one to fight. Those people are brainwashed robots. I say we get the Hell out of there

Vadini MahabirMar 20, 2013, 12:20 AM

what are your ideas on how we can begin fixing this mess that we're in?

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:20 AM

I don't think there is a way out. The entrenched corporate plutocracy has gamed the system to the point where voting is mostly a coopted freedom. I think major environmental correction is the only thing that'll push this juggernaut off the rails.

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

@Dickies - Cool. Just signing it now... http://movetoamend.nationbuilder.com/petition

Rick RosnerMar 20, 2013, 12:20 AM

Finally in!

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:20 AM

ugh i hate that question by jordan. occupy, much like the tea party, aren't about one clear purpose

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

THat they don't get it....

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

they're just a reflection of deep seated frustration about the collusion of big biz and big gov

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

well said lee

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

and Occupy aint an over night thing. it will probably take years for anything to really change for the better. like many things in life

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

ban advertising

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

health matters

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

save the planet

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

occupy was missing me.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

imo.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

and yes, i do think occupy and the tea party are two peas in the same pod

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

aloha, i just got here. i have been dying to get you to discuss article V conventions.

Jacob GriesmerMar 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

The Air Force's capstone military templates state we will weaponize space, this will cement US hegemony and/or start WWIII.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

lee is missing the point. those movements are reactions to the system so picking some agenda and workign within the system to accomplish it is anathema to the very essence of the movement

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

Good question Jordan

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

Andrei, Occupy was grass roots. Tea Party was manufactured by the Koch brothers to fight single-payer health care.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

DYlan is right on this point, they are very much different

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

If it bleeds, u can kill it. U can't kill the idea....

Mr. ChowMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

techinal difficulty anyone?

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

So it makes more sense to just "protest," because you're against, I don't know, something or other? I realize that you can be dismissed for failure, but you can also be dismissed for not accomplishing anything also.

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

I agree with Charles about me being right.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

I agree with that Lee

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:23 AM

talking about a path to victory, how to take the next step, going on offence, that is a constitutional convention. they won't laugh at our bongos when we demand that.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

i agree...

Jesus SilvaMar 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

We live in a Duopoly party system, how can we change that?

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

Lol Lee!

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

that fact begs the question, how do we tame the corporate monster? i say ban advertising.

Matthew PizanaMar 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

what is the fastest way to reset the system and start back at one? i say alien invasion so if you are down for wearing a green alien suit, i'm ready to roll. also, it's time for Camp vs Rogan on his podcast.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

Cap CEO pay, increase worker pay to start

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

only because the repugnantcunts taunt it as such

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

@Lee - wall street as girls gone wild lol just spat my coffee out!! lol

Rachael WorkmanMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

guys, don't forget to "like" the comments that you want the hosts to address/answer. they can't see it unless it gets a lot of votes and becomes "overheard"

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

Even if the Tea Party was financed by the Koch brothers, it still took advantage of a major groundwell of emotion

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

wall street will always be the wild west as long as there is congress etc.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

Good Point Alia. That will def make a a huge impact

Jordan SudyMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

shameless plug: http://instagram.com/p/W12DMhiaOw/

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

@Jordan, what you describe there is the very thing that makes the two party system problematic. We cannot have a full throated discussion of our differences without seeming to support one side or the other.

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

too hard too make any real change there

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

anyone who has ever made a buck off stocks supports wall street

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

You are hitting on something here -- when the media report polls of "approval/disapproval," the implication is always that if you don't approve of, say a Democrat President, that you want something more conservative. What if you're disapproving

Taunia RobertsMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

I was under the impression that I would be able to actually hear people talking. Am I missing something?

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same,when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.nn~John Adams

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

because you want somebody MORE liberal...

Jesus SilvaMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

I don't see much difference between Democrat and republicans so it's actually ease to criticize them. Are you an Obama-pologist?

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

no tauna you aint

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

@Peter both were definitely reactionary, but the motives are what are suspect

Jamie McGurkMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

Agree completely. Obama needs pressure from the left.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

imo, criticizing obama would be different if we were empowered to criticize #ripdickcheney. we had to pretend it was ok that he bombed us by accident on purpose. play along while they raped and pillaged our entire nation. so yeah, people are

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

touchy about obama being naysayed

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

Politics is fair game for anyone

Taunia RobertsMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

darn

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

Well, I would think it would a good marketing point for you Lee, that you are contraversial

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

don't sell ya self out to TV Lee!! :-O thats blasphemy!!! hehe

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

we <3 lee

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:28 AM

How can you not love Lee?

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:28 AM

stop with the hard question Dylan

Taunia RobertsMar 20, 2013, 12:28 AM

if the tv shows think they can make money from his spat on FOX, they'll ask

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:28 AM

Only Republicans like to hear bad things about Obama

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

be proud.

Rick RosnerMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

For the Occupy movement to create some kind of change it must inspire or threaten the middle class. The movement also needs a PR firm in the worst way; consider how its been painted.

shaz bennettMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

I think liberals are willing to hear the bad stuff about Obama but I envy at times the way the republicans get behind their party - i would say blindly but they get stuff done because they are a united front - whereas the liberals are disjointed

Marc ComstockMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

@jordan "Pretty Lenny Bruce" - spot on!

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

i have always wondered how the hell Lee calms down after a show/MOC? he gets so irate - or seems so - it looks like his head might explode sometimes!

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

Hey! I like waffles.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

jizz waffles. those are the worst.

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

I'm a little concerned that I have been called a jizz waffle in the past, now...

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

yay JIZZWAFFLES!!! love that word

Patrick LusbyMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

worked OK for Bill Hicks and George Carlin

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

being the next john lennon?

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

@Shaz . . . it's easier to create a united front when you lack independent thought.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

i think jordan has plans for you for after the show... watch ur back.......

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

Although I think I'm going to try and work that phrase into a conversation at least once a week, now.

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:31 AM

old vs young

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:31 AM

imo

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:31 AM

Thats what the Scientologists do. Wanna talk about scary?

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:32 AM

hey i have been called worse but nuts is fine

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:32 AM

What do you mean, "perfect world?"

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:32 AM

Dont tell the Scientologists I said that

Dylan BrodyMar 20, 2013, 12:32 AM

Dammit! I have to go away. Someone please tell Lee I love him.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:33 AM

will do Dylan :-)

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:33 AM

definitely the same people donating money to their campaigns

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:34 AM

I hate all this "Wing" crap. We have to act like we are all poor and do whats best for us as poor people, even if we are not poor

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:34 AM

and heres me thinking left/right were meant to think differently,have different agendas - not think the sodding same!!

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:34 AM

@Jessica - true, but I don't see it ever happening

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

Maybe when everyone is poor?

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

"THE CONGRESS … ON THE APPLICATION OF THE LEGISLATURES OF TWO THIRDS OF THE SEVERAL STATES, nSHALL CALL A CONVENTION FOR PROPOSING AMENDMENTS …

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

@Lee - it is much older than that. and it DOES go WAY back

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

Of COURSE it's much older than that. You ever hear of Robber Barons? There has never been a coercive monopoly in history without government assistance/

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

@Peter

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

post-World War II reorganization

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

come on we can do it.

Peter CrysdaleMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

@Jessica - In America we have a philiosophy of "I earned this for myself. If people are poor it's because they made the wrong decisions" Misguided.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

Left = more gov't regulations, Right = less gov't regulations ... but what do we agree on regulating?

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

the documentary – why we fight – gives an excellent description of how the people making the ammunition took over the government

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

The line between "purchase" vs. "constituent service" isn't exactly as straight forward as you'd like.

Marc ComstockMar 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

@Lee, what do you think will happen if the Koch brothers purchase the LA Times and other Tribune papers?

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

And don't champion the New Deal so much, either. There's a great deal of cynicism inherent in the New Deal, also.

Jennifer SloanMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

naming the political parties was done to create the illusion that we have a choice in our leadership when really we dont

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

We haven't begun to ask the questions yet. We still think inside boxes of what we can pass through congress. start thinking about what is possible with a blank sheet of paper.

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

TVA funds went to politically connected people.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

@marc - the media will be dumbed down even more. and it'll be SO much more one sided

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:36 AM

@peter Sad, being that you just never know and so many people that used to have everything, now have nothing

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

neither right nor left really fits the contemporary way of doing politics

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

its more than that lee

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

this is a culture of self hatred

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

because both right and left are about ideology

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

thats the central illness

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

and contemporary politics is about money

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

I have nothing, thats why Im a liberal :)

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

money>ideology

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

we are past the tipping point :D

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

this is the dawn.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

I have empathy bc ive been there

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

ideology is only used as a convenient proxy when politicians want to galvanize idiots who don't pay attention

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

jessica, you have a computer and a roof over your head

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

i think society and culture are slowly changing,thats why things in politics are changing too....slowly but they are changing

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

Yes, class warfare is relatively ancient. I'd say it goes back to the dawn of agriculture, when classed societies co-evolved with centralized power, expansionist ambitions and military economies.

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

Comments like that make it sound like returning to subsistence farming is somehow an appealing notion. I don't get that.

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

self-hatred?

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

hi i would like to chat too.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

Americans are consumers first, thinkers second.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

I would love to make a shameless plug. I just have to find something to plug first. My complaining?

Declan HodgeMar 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

G’day Lee, I just want to hear your opinion on this matter. Due to the fact that we all live in this plutocracy, how does one manage to change the system? I mean, the ones that do indeed see the world for the state it’s in (part 1 of the question)

Declan HodgeMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

(part 2) With all the activism that people do, how do we end this perpetual nightmare of lethargy and the choice of inertia by the masses? Do you really think it’s possible to change a system that has entrenched it’s self so well in our culture and m

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

thanks rachael

Rick RosnerMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

Saint Reagan. The man who suggested putting down the People's Park movement - and student protest in general - "by any means necessary." Kent State/Ohio goverment mentality. Oh how history has been re-made.

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

Something new....

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

Good Point @Andrei. But the days are numbered on those too

Alia MichelleMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

i wont compromise with people who want to eat my brain. sometimes the key is identifying the bad program

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

When do we get a moment of clarity about the Article V convention?

Declan HodgeMar 20, 2013, 12:40 AM

mindset I finished with

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:40 AM

@jessica, what do you do for a living? You ar eclearly articulate enough to use your talents in some capacity

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:40 AM

Clunk. Voluntary cooperation rather than weaponized "cooperation" via socialism isn't anarchy.

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:40 AM

You're drawing a false dichotomy.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

andrei,may i ask,what is your problem? cos you seem to have a large chip on your shoulder

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

I wonder if Lee will be tooting this same horn when he's got a talk show and is clearing high six figures

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

Im a full time slave to my toddlers

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

Solutions will follow when there is a universal recognition that our primary responsibility--our only one, really, is to care for the planet on which we depend. Failing that, we'll invite disaster inevitably. Unfortunately, we are far, far from that.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

@jessica, does that mean your a mom or a babysitter?

Jennifer SloanMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

who is jessica?

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

The mother of all mothers

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

@michael - unfortuantly,you are right

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:42 AM

And I disagree with that as well. I think the notion of capitalism is inherent in the fact that people own themselves, and capitalism (true capitalism, not crony capitalism) involves voluntary trade.

Rick RosnerMar 20, 2013, 12:42 AM

Yes - but they have the guns.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

@dickies, i'm just tired of trite ideology masquerading as legitimate discourse. everyone thinks they're an expert on everything but our perceptions are shaped by our experiences

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:42 AM

It's not "public good," it's personal good. As defined by each individual.

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:42 AM

Man, nobody likes my comments, huh...

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:43 AM

That's why I don't really see any significant improvement coming from humanity, Dickies. We can't pull it together and act in our common, human interest.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

andrei,thats fine but trouble is you are shooting everyone else done who has an opinion. fine that it aint the same as yours,but dont shoot them down like you do

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:43 AM

and somehow people fail to acknowledge that and profess to be speaking "objectively" when really we are all the products of our environment

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:43 AM

@andrei there is something called objective truth

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:43 AM

@dickies i don't mean to shoot them down. I just liek to challenge folks and not let people get by with simple thining. No personal animus whatsoever

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

"With well over a century of experience in proposing an Article V Convention, the states have arrived at certain precedents for the consideration of these applications." History is about to unfold. Are you going to help?

Oliver AmorowsonMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

Hi Lee. I just watched Elon Musk's TED interview. Do you think he's in danger of becoming the capitalist that saves the world?

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

@charles Henry, sure, but not in politics there isn't.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

@Andrei, you have a good point but then we CAN be experts on things if we have survived them and lived them

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

@andrei - well it just seems like it ,is all. :-)

Marc ComstockMar 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

@Jordan, true dat.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

Jordan, we are getting heated up and you guys are missing out. Its a class war

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

Lee, the Koch Bros have co-opted the tea party name but that's a lazy trope thrown around far too simplitically. I largely detest the tea party btu the true tea partiers were sending emails about ron paul in 2006

Jennifer SloanMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

agreed Jordan

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

sorry jordan sir *slaps own wrist*

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

I just believe that pessimism in this setting leads to a lack of action when what we need is positive change

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

i can't see it either, this thing is not entertaining.

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

Funny that that's what makes it topside.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

somehow, strong words are interpreted as harshness. I'm just trying to have a rigorous discussion devoid of simplistic labeling.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

@charles i couldnt agree more.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

@charles, lots of people yap about the problems but don't do much to fix them.

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

You can't have a rigorous discussion when you're limited to two lines of text or fewer.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

much like the Occupy movement lol

Sam WeinschenkMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

its weird that only the posts that are liked by other people can be seen. seems like the epitome of the negative aspects of democracy.

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:46 AM

Good convo = good result

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:47 AM

@andrei -please dont stop what you are doing,in fact i love it. but try and understand it a bit more from the other side

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:47 AM

Lol! @Michael

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:47 AM

Lee, "legitimate discourse: is stuff that goes beynd the he said she said of the 24 hour news cycle and really tries to wrestle with what sort of policies work

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:47 AM

THE MEDIA!!!! most corrupt thing EVER!

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

The thing is that Lee IS the ONE we all came to "listen" so take it easy. Lee, don't fall in ideological questions: "How do you dare to ask me that, Sr?" B. Dylan

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

Deepwater Horizon. Blatant corruption.

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

corruption would be rampant parking tickets ... oh and taxes

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

excessive taxes on the little guy

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

for example, dickies, saying "the media" is simple and lazy. The media is massive and can't be classifided as some monolithic entity

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

Although whenever people use the word "Yapping", i sense a little bite

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

@jessica, lol. fair. I will watch my word choice

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:48 AM

the media as a collective is owned by three specific companies

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:49 AM

ok andrei,what would YOU say in the media is the most corrupt then? narrow it down for me

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:49 AM

:) @Andrrei

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:49 AM

nothing new there,Lee...carry on

Mr. ChowMar 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

too rigged to fail

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

Lee, Everyone worked for Goldman Sachs

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

what i tend to disliek about large swaths of the american press is its tendency to make a lot out of the horse race of day ti day politics and in so doing overlook the real issues of the day

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

Don't accept the terms of the question. That could be aplied to every single concept.

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

we will ever see a moment of clarity about the Article V convention method to propose amendments?

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:51 AM

Yeah, this is a pretty corruptible media. If someone wants to fuq it up, It's just not that hard: Exhibit A: V^V^V^

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:51 AM

i agree with you on that point Andrei. newspapers/tv news are shite at reporting "important" news stories

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:51 AM

I'm not trying to take sides. just trying to add some nuance to our discourse. All too often we characterize but fail to analyze and that's problematic

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:51 AM

Nobody likes my comments. Im a comedic genius. "I wont be ignored Dan!"

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

It's worse that that, Lee. In a consolidated and restricted media environment, there are fewer actual reporters employed by news agencies, and those that are out there are often too cozy with their sources, leading to the kind of echo chamber we saw

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:52 AM

with Iraq reporting.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

@lee, no. I said "large swaths" specifically to avoid doing just that...

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM

why didnt they question all this information back when the Iraq war was on? was it cos they didnt want people to know the truth? mmmm

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM

As if non-profit, government media is gonna be better?

Blake IanMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

@Andrei - Confucius says, typing with anger... lead to many typo.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM

Thats true, I cant stand the "trending" thing. "Kim Kardashians A** is trending on Twitter" lol

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 12:53 AM

Difficult as in Difference. American press greatest problem is it's insideness and patriotic ideology at his best.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:54 AM

@jordan ehh maybe, but academia is all too removed from the day to day of the world and they aren't trained as reporters.

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 12:54 AM

Talking many languages also does.

Jason AndrewsMar 20, 2013, 12:54 AM

It's a grab-line thing - like what Chomsky said. They're more interested in putting up soundbites but in order to expose 'truths' you need the detail and that detail isnt something that MSM wants to entertain. It's an attention span thing ...

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:55 AM

but the line between "mainstream" and not has changed drastically in recent years.

Todd McCormickMar 20, 2013, 12:55 AM

I think the noise of lame stream media is always going to be present, but we have to learn how to tune into much better sources.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:55 AM

Is buzzfeed the mainstream media? Most would say no but they get orders of magnitude more traffic than, say, the Washington Post

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:55 AM

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmipTHpnkUegW5u-Rb6bLSPVKGfi6lQlMpR9c7wnfhvUcdrQm-ww

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM★ Spotlighted

mainstream media sucks donkey-doo big time. and its people like Lee,and others, who get the "real" news out there.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

Agree with Lee about offending sources. Access to power unfortunately means that many journos fail to do their job because they want to maintains aid access

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

really, that stinks

Rick RosnerMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

Stay cool, Jordan!

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

Really not sold on this platform. Seems kinda slow and disjointed.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

Im insulted.

Dan MarksMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

i thought we get to tawk

Lolly GagginsMar 20, 2013, 12:56 AM

Thanks Lee, this didn't suck donkey balls :)

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Hope I didn't offend folks. I don't mean for strong statements to get construed as vitriolic. Just think it's important to wrestle with this stuff in a deeper way

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

I'm a pessimopt.

Jessica SmithMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

Thank you Jordan and Lee and @andrei of course

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

Key take away from this congo: I have a massive crush on @jessica

Michael ShapiroMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

Optimistic that we're fucked.

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

@Andrei English major?

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

is this the glass half full/half empty question? cos i'd drink it that dam drink!

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM

X-D~~~

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM

@Michael Well Said!!!!

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM

Her candor and self depricating humor are highly entertaining

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM

Sry....

Jason AndrewsMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM

What do you think it will take to get 'the man on the street' to act? To wake up as it were?

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

i laugh at myself everytime i look in the mirror

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

Fuck that quiestion! What's this? I'm pesimistic about any optimistic vs pesimistic question. (bad english included)

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

X-)

David KaufmanMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

@Lee -- Every Jewish comedian ever.

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

@andrei - great chatting/debating with ya :-)

Charles HenryMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

lol

Cas DavisMar 20, 2013, 12:59 AM

LEE DID!!! :D

Blake IanMar 20, 2013, 1:00 AM

Andrei Berman is a brilliant man by the way... I can attest!

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 1:00 AM

keep fighting? never heard that one before

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 1:00 AM

@dickies, i appreciate the kind words.

Pete KoufoudakisMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

zeitgeist it all. just say'n

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

ok who just waved at the screen

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

Where'd the love of my life go?

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

JESSICA COME BACK!!!!!!!!

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

WHAT JUST HAPPENED

Griff KohoutMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

WAIT>> HOW ARE WE GONNA SAVE THE WORLD????

Lucy DyerMar 20, 2013, 1:01 AM

YOU HANG UP DAM IT!!!! you know how much this is costing me.....and the string is getting wet!

La LenguaMar 20, 2013, 1:03 AM

Espero que esto haya sido un placebo para mí tanto como lo fue para ustedes. LEE!! We follow you since long ago from Mexico wheere there are only dumb poor people... like you all.

Andrei BermanMar 20, 2013, 1:06 AM

well now that jessica left i am leaving