Lee Camp

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Prepping For Oncoming Climate Chaos?

Feb 19, 2014·216 visitors

Eleanor Goldfield

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Stage· 366 messages

Feb 19, 2014

Are you prepping for the upcoming climate change chaos? How? We'd love to know.

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Welcome all! Say hi to the talented Eleanor Goldfield, my cohost. TONIGHT we're covering climate chaos!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

And hello Lee - I hope the snow is treating you well :)

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

We're gonna talk about how we're prepping, whether we're prepping and what THE FUCK we can do about it. ...And we're gonna make that funny... sometimes.

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

First off, PLEASE tell people that you're here on FB and Twitter and shit. Just paste the link and tell them to come over.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“Do everything you can to build and enhance local systems, sorry no real solutions people will actually do til its too late, climate change we are experiencing now was from human actions 40 years ago, all we can do is adapt”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey eleanor and lee!! hope all is good with you guys :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

Humans are incredibly adaptable, @Global Risk (apt name, by the way)

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Adapting is not all we can do - it's one of the things we can do.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

Growing and building local systems, shifting our energy paradigm as well - these are huge points. But I do'nt agree in saying we can only adapt.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“revolution revolution!....oooops sorry,that should be evolution, evolution!!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

both, lucy ;)

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Are people doing things to prep? Is anybody changing their behavior?

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

This article in the guardian is about people prepping - - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/17/time-to-join-preppers-survive-climate-change-apocalypse

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“I favor prevention than preparation for failure”

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

They're dealing with crazy flooding in the UK.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

I also found this: http://www.icleiusa.org/action-center/planning/adaptation-guidebook

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

It's rather wordy and long-winded but there are some strong bullet points in there

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

And we keep talking about various ways to block the worst pain - such as levees around NYC - but can't we do better than that? Better than just trying to block out the natural destruction we're creating?

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“you know some of the island that i live on is gonna fall into the sea”

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Hey Lee, any new news on that "ark" thing those rich folks were building?”

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

You mean the island?

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

There's no new news, but yeah, it's crazy. It will be located off Nigeria.

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Yes, that one.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

I think for the most part, the band-aids on cancer that our gov't slap on major issues is certainly not the best we can do, just the best a corporate gov't will do

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

And we'll see more and more of that - rich people finding ways to "buy" their way around climate change

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Maybe we should just let humanity undo itself... ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

apparently, obama is pushing to set aside $1bn for climate change initiatives.

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

EG - Would things be different if we had a non-corporate gov't?

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“why would we do that reginald? we have the capacity to do so much better.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

I think they absolutely would, Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

for example, a president pushing for $1bn in support of climate change prep and prevention would actually be that

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

(I agree. I was just playin' devil's advocate)

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“I know, Sophia.... pardon my misanthropy.”

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“of which all will go to natural gas TV ads”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

it wouldn't be lip service to the people while scratching the backs of corporate america

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

I figured as much - I think it's good to throw it out there tho. I like my soap box :)

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

If we honestly cared about the future, we would be getting all our energy from sun, wind, geothermal

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“We need the elected officials who believe that "only god can destroy this earth" out of office and put some real scientists in their place”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

the fact that every damn house and structure in CA doesn't have solar panels is a disgrace

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

it rains about one day a year out here

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

That is ridiculous. You guys have more sun than vapidness out there!

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

Is that a word?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

oooo, that's a close race.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

It is now a word.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

vapidness and sunshine

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

that's the name of my next album

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

That's the name of the hotel I stayed in last time I was there.

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Is it that belief, or is it simply the ignorance that Money can do no wrong. The defense seems to be that Capitalism is so great, that when it comes time to clean the environment, it'll just create more jobs...”

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

I think it's largely that most of the change needed is not "politically feasible" because corporations are funding everyone.

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

Any large change MUST largely benefit corporations or else it's cut down quickly.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

I agree. There are so many creative and scientifically mind-blowing forms of alternative energy out there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

But they get squashed

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

A lot like there's an underground wonderland of LA's old trolley system - literally buried by car companies

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

What kind of climate change are people noticing in their areas? Lucy mentioned that her island is falling apart. Anybody else?

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Eleanor - Any fun with forest fires this year in LA?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

CA is experiencing the biggest drought in recorded history.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

So far, I am not on fire.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

But the day is young

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

Meanwhile, people are watering their sidewalks in Beverly Hills.

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

We're trying to get you on fire with this tawk!

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Or at least trending on twitter.

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Longer summers and colder winters here in FL. also, Hurricanes seem to be shifting their path away from us and towards the Eastern Seaboard.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

hahaha - oh that was a bad one.

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“Government is not going to solve this problem, spending money that does not exist is not the answer, look up the power of doing stuff by the Transition Town movement, grassroots change and power down, will happen anyway, matter of react or proact”

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Well, even though money is imaginary wealth, it can still get things done. If we put billions into alternative energy, we could turn things around.

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“It's 75 degrees in Vegas right now and we had winter weather for 1 week this season.”

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“btw,heres a story about the island falling apart - http://onthewight.com/2014/02/18/headon-warren-crack-landslip-developing/”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

yeah, the entire east coast has experienced a tremendous winter. the southeast was quite sure it was the apocalypse

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Where my Midwestern's at? MN/WI border!!”

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“It seems that the weather swings are more extreme in NW IN.”

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

I was caught in tornadoes a few hours outside Chicago this year

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

Apparently it was the most tornadoes in one weekend they'd ever seen - at least that time of year.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:14 AM

According to people who used to live in LA 20-25 years ago, seasons were more prominent and it never got above 90 degrees or so. Now it's consistently above that in the summer and I can't remember a season in the time that I've been here

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“What is prepping for the climate change? Should I have stock piles of food? :)”

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“O, and it snowed in Egypt. can't forget that”

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Weather swings severe enough to kill the tomatoes inside my house from frost damage 3 inches from window near chicago last month”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

I just don't want to end up like "day after tomorrow" because I don't want to be sitting in a cave going "Damn, should've listened to Jake Gyllenhaal!"

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

hahaha - you're missing out Lee.

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“there are some houses that were evacuate cos of landslides. some were damaged some werent. those that werent were told by the insures that if they left their policy would be null and void”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@ reginald. Stockpiling isn't particularly necessary yet, but knowing how to rig up a greenhouse and find food naturally around you is a good way to start.”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“Anyone here get a chance to check this out?? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2012/dec/12/chasing-ice-iceberg-greenland-video ”

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“probably the biggest threat is severe weather affecting nuclear power plants, not considered typically when discussing climate change, we have precidents”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

@Blake - I did see that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

Terrifying

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

How should we be prepping? I haven't done shit.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

Beautiful but frightening

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

except wear two pairs of underwear.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

Nor have I, to be honest.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Is it legal to forage for your own food? What about the Montana guy that got arrested for it?”

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Prepping for climate change depends on where you are from. As the avg global temp goes up the avg rel humidity goes down but the avg absolute humidity goes up. So, there is more water in the atmosphere than ever yet, it is harder to pull out of air”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

In LA it's not even legal to give homeless people food.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“Weapons, knowledge, supplies, involvement in community.”

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

Article today said it's also now illegal in SC to feed the homeless - you have to get a permit.

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@ reginald, It's not illegal if you don't get caught”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

There seems to be a camp of people that are prepping for the end of days. Is that in the same vein as this?

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

So we need to get really good and stealthy at feeding the homeless!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

Bc I don't think I'll be investing in an arsenal anytime soon

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Later this week and next week, the melting snow will absorb water like a sponge. When it finally lets loose there will be many floods in places that people do not expect floods”

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Those laws are hysterical...but real.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“Lee, can we prep? Other than watching the aforementioned "Day After Tomorrow" we really don't know what is coming...so how can we prep? We are all just screwed!”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

But apparently people are stocking up on guns because they keep killing each other for loud music and shit.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

I'd kill for my music ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@ elanor, I don't think an arsenal is necessary. Just something to help you forage if need be.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

Absolutely Taylor.

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

Guardian seems to think you can prep. I made a few mix tapes, so at least I'll have those with me.

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“#priorities”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

I mean that there seem to be factions of people that go to that extreme. I'm wondering if anyone is prepping middle ground

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Not to be a quitter... but if it comes down to people's stockpiles of food and arsenals... I'm just fine untethering from the earthly realm....”

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Lucy -- I'll get the whiskey.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

I know some people have giant barrels of fresh water in their basements. Big first aid kits, etc. etc.

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

Yeah, reading that guardian article I kinda thought "If we get to the point that you're running into the woods, then your real problem will be the crazy wars breaking out, not the weather."

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

Or both, Lee

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“best summary of climate change, Lee invite guy on your podcast http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/”

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Last week I tweeted about constructing a pipeline to send all of our flood water to California.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

Sort of like The Road meets Zombieland

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

Yeah Mike - I liked that tweet.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

@Mike - brilliant!

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

How can pay to get tar sands oil thousands of miles but NOT WATER?

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“No amount of prepping can save us from everything. We have to eat, drink and breathe. You can't hoard air like the SpaceBalls air-in-a-can gag. <sigh>”

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

We're almost to the air in a can scenario - I mean if some cities have crazy polluted air and the rich and afford to move but the poor can't, then we'll be at spaceballs level.

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“nestle :-(”

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

Did everyone catch that the head of Nestle said water is not a right.

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Why can't Canada refine all that oil themselves?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Agreed. It is absolutely insane that we can't move water around. The fucking Romans could move water around.”

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

Apparently either the shipping or the refining capabilities are not enough.

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“If we had a national sewage system for growing algae in the sunshine states there would be more freshwater than california could handle as a by product.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

I think in many ways the Roman empire was far more advanced

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Both -- they don't have the refining capacity.”

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Again, I think this all stems back to our root of the love of money. Wetiko. Instead of prepping individual to survive the fallout, we need to address the policies that bring it about.”

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

I agree, Reginald, we should be changing our mindset completely.

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

we need a thought revolution.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

@Mitchell - absolutely. There are SO many phenomenal, low cost, low impact ideas out there

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

EG - How do you figure?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

how do I figure - the Romans?

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

Because they wore little cloths?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

well, for one, they had bath houses and wine was mandatory at every meal.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“If the people up there get sick, at least they have better healthcare.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Growing algae in the desert states would absorb more CO2 than we produce and eliminate the need to dig coal, drill oil, or use nukes within 10 years”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Sewage to fuel starves no one, would put 12 million americans to work, and end fossil fuel corruption of governements”

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“I know the solution, have more debates with idiots and Bill Nye”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“as long of pollution is cheaper than clean air, and cheap is a priority... we really have no way out.”

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

Bill Nye should not have dignified that by showing up!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Solar and wind can really provide energy that's cheaper in the long run, etc etc. The people with the power just don't care. They've never had to worry about their needs, so it doesn't occur to worry about anyone else's.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

@Katie - the part that gets me is that many of these people have children...who will breathe that air. But I suppose it's hard to think like a full blown sociopath

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Edison and JP Morgan made sure Tesla's dream of free energy stayed out of reach.”

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Omar Hashemyan

“Solar and wind energy can't be regulated too because it's always present and we breathe and feel it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

And it would be incredibly cheap

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Yes, that's why corps don't want solar and wind - it takes energy out of their hands.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

goodbye overpriced electric bills

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“I say, right before we go to the Next War... we decide at the last second to spend ALL THAT MONEY that went unquestioned to putting solar panels on everyone's house.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Omar Hashemyan

“That's the thing though, get rid of the corps that are polluting the air somehow”

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

Through ALEC and Koch Bros - they are currently putting forward PR language claiming that people using solar panels are not paying their fair share and are "free loaders" in the community.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

as with many other issues Omar, you're right. it all sources back to that

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

It leaked that ALEC's big push this year is to combat sustainable energy.

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“True campaign finance reform would eventually solve a lot of this... and I wouldn't have to constantly watch the same campaign adds.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“We only have 1 solar thermal fluid plant taht opened this week. We have no solar thermoelectric plants that can use sun during day, compost at night to generate power”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“So here is question...what can we do in our homes to become independant? Can we all install Windmills and Solar Panels? How do we get "off the grid"?”

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael White

“Evening folks, Lee, always a pleasure. I still actually know people who swear global warming is a fiction created for christ knows what reason.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I say we've misjudged Chevron, at least: n"The Chevron Guarantee: Our well won't explode...or your pizza is free!"nhttp://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Chevron-Endure-our-fracking-fire-and-the-pizzas-on-us.html”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

wow katie - that's pretty fucking priceless

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

@Michael - I think a lot of that insanity comes from Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

corporate poisoning via fracking and GMOs. what more could you ask for?

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

@Katie - I was writing about that on FB today. It's awesome.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@carl - here we tried with solar panels on the roof but its not cost effect...yet.”

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

For those who don't know Chevron literally gave free pizza coupons to people near a massive fracking explosion in PA.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

@lucy - it seems to me wind energy would be most effective in GB

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

Bobtown, PA.

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

The coupons expire May 1st, so get your pizza soon.

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael White

“I just don't get how something as simple as carbon sequestration is eluding these people who claim to be rational, thinking adults.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“We have over 20,000 unemployed manufacturing engineers that are available now to build plants for making supplies for thermo and solar generation. Right now, the us lost all of its thermoelectronic factories to china. Thermoelectronics are not eve”

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Still hoping a Fracking Well explodes in my neighborhood. I like pizza.”

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

Reg - Good plan. If they change it to flan, I'm in.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

@Mitchell - the outsourcing to China is an ever worsening catalyst to our economy and infrastructure

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - yeah me too. but no-one wants windmills in their backgardens. or as they are called NIMBY's - not in my back yard”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

@Lucy WTF?! How awesome would it be to have a wind turbine in your backyard?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

You'd be like a 21st century don quixote

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

If we put the money behind it, we could clean the carbon from our air. It's not impossible.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“everyone wants to go green in the UK,but no-one is willing to even try the windmill energy. its bloody annoying at times”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Thermoelectronic solar power is not even discussed in news articles on solar power and thermoelectric can use alternate heat source at night in lieu of sun.”

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“free pizza for all affected by climate change”

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

Maybe we should put out ads that say "If climate change gets worse, there will be no pizza."

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

@Lee - that's brilliant

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“This solar plant outside of Vegas is pretty incredible it creates enough power to supply 140,000 homes”

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Lee.. THAT might work!”

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Thank you. I'm very smart.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

People won't care unless you attack their wallets, families or pizza

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“how about new currency backed by organic farms and renewable energy?”

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“@Lee, there would be riots”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Scientist came out with a report saying we could shade the planet from some of the sun by pumping particles into the air and it would be cheap -- However, they don't say in the report whether IT'S A GOOD IDEA. They just say it's cheap.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael White

“I fear that until someone figures out a way to charge monthly for solar or wind power, no money will ever be spent on infrastructure until it's far too late.”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Here's the article - http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/climate-sunshade-idINDEE87T0K420120830

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“So about prepping. Anyone in here besides me do it?”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“We spend too much money telling people to go to the emergency room when their viagra causes a four hour boner...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:33 AM

@Michael - there are ways to charge for solar and wind energy. It's just that it's so cheap, corps do'nt want to take the hit - particularly with installation costs

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Mike, in their defense, it doesn't sound fun.

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Lee... Cheaper is all that matters. Why bother to analyze it beyond that?”

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“@Lee wasn't that the plot to Highlander 2?”

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Didn't see it, Carl, but I'm glad someone here has.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Without the sage advice of Highlander 2, we can't really progress as a society.

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“geoengineering is happening, but completely under control, yeah right”

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“I have an indoor farm with 18 times the density of an outside garden”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rob Ellison

“Mike, I am from the UK and I have been considering it, Prepping isnt anywhere near as big here as it is in the US.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“It comes down to the privatized, capitalist system. If no one can make money from it, it will not happen. It is up to our government to make the moves, which circles back around to campaign finance.”

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

Here's something we haven't yet discussed - a new study shows that biodiversity in farms with GMO plants is VERY low. They kill off most everything.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

Exactly, Becca. And since they won't make a move with their bank accounts tied to corporations, we have to.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“Has anyone read about the off shore wind farms that could slow Hurricanes down? http://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/12/12/daily-circuit-climate-cast”

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

So how can we have dense forests, etc. when we don't have the bugs and shit to pollinate them?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

That's awesome, Nicholas - thanks for sharing that

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

GMO bugs

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

not bugs - the plants kill the bugs.

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Here's the article on sunshade - http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/climate-sunshade-idINDEE87T0K420120830

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael White

“@Carl Dodge, I know a woman who uses solar for heat and electric, she also grows most of her own foods, and has a wood burning hot water heater. She's about as off the grid as you can get, excepting phone and gasoline for her car.”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“Yet, if you don't want to live within the "system" life becomes a bit more difficult...”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Story City Iowa has not had a near hit with a tornado since they got the largest windfarm in Iowa. In a location that is center of Iowa's tornado alley”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Less Diversity, Lee? Just sounds like "efficiency" to the people in that mindset.”

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

Hitler was a fan too.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

@Becca - pushing for change inside the "system" isn't easy, but as you say, it'd be more difficult outside the system. If you want to change the monopoly, you have to be in the game, so to speak

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“"If the situation is as catastrophic as many of us agree it is, we are in one of those moments where we need to stop dreaming endlessly of these utopian plans of these great ideas we have and actually move towards implementing them."”

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

@Eric - agreed. Activists often make the great the enemy of the good.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

@Eric - very true

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“he revolutionary moment is so ripe, but only if we move from protest to implementation. The only way to move to implementation is to be the legitimate power and the only way to have legitimate power is to win an election.”

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

But at the same time, we do need severe change - not meaningless half measures

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

like the democrats always put forward.

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“And the only election we can win, is a local one.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

Those are just as soaked in corporate sludge as the rest

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

Quick note - Please post on FB and Twitter that you are here. Tell people to join in!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

@Eric - absolutely agree on that as well

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

Local initiatives, resolutions, voter instructions

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

Those are powerful tools - particularly when they start clmbing the rungs - like some have here in LA, with Prop C (against citizens united)

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

Speaking of local - keep in mind outside money spent a few million on a small union vote in TN this week. I was only about a thousand worker voting, but the corps wanted to make sure the workers rejected the UAW.

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

They fear the "good example" - which is also why they feared Occupy so much.

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“All of these Tawks perhaps need to come down to the HOW we are going to make the Revolution happen. How can we wake up enough people to have a peaceful revolution that changes America and the world?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“When people stand up, those firmly planted in their seats get squirmy.”

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Reg - They usually all end up there, but waking people up is the first step and talking to people is waking them up.

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“I dont know how to reach people that live thinking a totally different truth than I do.”

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Becca - That is hard but it's not impossible, people talk to people who talk to people.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

And that's why pot has completely reversed path in this country over just a few years.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Same with gay marriage.

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

People are talking to the non-choir.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

Minds can change. Truth doesn't. Education and outreach are how you shift paradigms of entire groups, nations

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Good call, Lee. We have to create a climate where NOT engaging becomes the uncomfortable choice.”

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Once my patents are in place, I will start a kickstarter to get my energy producing farms going”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

Making activism a part of popular culture

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“My biggest concern: the "wake-up" process will be too slow and too late”

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

Becca - that's my fear too. But in the meantime it will be ONE HELL OF A SHOW!

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

That's a huge concern, Becca. And that's why we have to keep working

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

But honestly, I just want to say I went down swinging (if we do go down).

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Gay Marriage and Pot are great for the economy, those should be no brainers for the money lovers.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“I think the problem is we don't know what to do, The choir is in here, we are awake.”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

Reg - I think you're right, but it's more likely that the plutocrats don't give a fuck about pot and gay marriage. It means nothing to them. So they don't fight it as hard as, say, taxing wall street.

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Why is "Love Each Other" such a hard sell to people?”

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

@Reg - Because religion is NOT about love! How dare you say that!

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I am working on it. We need a new social contract. The behavior of free people will solve so many of the other problems. The wake up call needs to come from inside.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

@Eric - there are more and more groups and organizations that have plans and outlines, just as Lee says, evil people do.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

With that, the choir can move forward and make some sorely needed noise

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Do you think climate chaos will cause people to be more local? Care for their neighbor stuff? Worry about the people around them?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I know it's slow, but sometimes you have to wake em up one at a time.”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“reg, its because people are taught they are separate from each other since birth..”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“we just need to act locally, I will be on a call in one hour helping to form a local food coop, everyone should do the same, just do something”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

@Global Risk, yep - everyone can do something.

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“read the philosophy book and we all can write one :). new ideas for a new world.”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“where are you all from? anyone else from the SF bay area?”

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“I'm disappointed that Las Vegas still has not legalized gay marriage and pot... As the marriage and party capital of the world the tax revenue could seriously improve our failing education system”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

I always push people to follow their passion and find the political link, because there always is one

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“real community is built in person”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

Do what you love and apply it to progress

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

That's true, Eric. And as someone else kinda said, we're taught to be atomized very early. It's the american way now.

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

"Keep your problems and depression at home. Let everyone think you're fun and happy."

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i think people ARE starting to care/worry about their neighbours more nowadays”

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i agree, eleanor! i want to open a virtual zoo because i love animals and i love teaching kids and it will do good for the animals in their environment,”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

@Sophia - exactly. Outreach and education.

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“One university in texas demonstrated a viable sewage to fuel system to repolace jet fuel in five years on public land. Bush cronies made it illegal to use public land to grow algal based jet fuel. DOD says algal jet fuel is superior to fossil deriv”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

I hadn't heard that Mitchell, but unfortunately it doesn't surprise me.

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Some girls in Nigeria invented a motor that runs on urine. I think we have plenty of that resource.

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“and i think things like occupy sandy helped change that”

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“We have tons of technology... that's not our shortcoming...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

There's another company in Africa (sorry can't remember where) that created self composting plastic bags for human waste, to cut down on illnesses and give them opportunity to compost.

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Part of the problem is that tech is always held down by corporate profit - only the profitable tech gets put forward.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead”

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“Haven't we been productive enough? Time to put our technology to work.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

Exactly Sophia - hence the need for these issues to infilitrate pop culture

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

infiltrate

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

Plastic bags are insane - and the people at stores always hate me when I turn them down.

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

It's very unamerican to turn down a plastic bag.

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“My wife wonders why I always throw vegetable scraps into the woods around our place. Would you rather I put it in a plastic bag in a landfill?”

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Only half the algae grown to make diesel and Jet fuel actually becomes fuel. So, net CO2 reduction is 50% of fuel burned in jet using algal fuel is reducing CO2 in atmosphere”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

You should give them a quick lecture as to why their evil glance is un-American

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from monica G

“Browsing corps fb sites, it's noticeable there's a stronger voice against issues such as GMO.s Just came from quaker advertising a giveaway. At least 40% of the comments were against this company talking of how disgusting their ingredients are.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

you'd have more people behind you pissed for holding up the line, but well worth it :)

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Monica - They pay people to put pro-GMO comments on my page. I've seen people admit to it.

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

That's how ridiculous it is.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

LA doesn't allow plastic bags anymore. Paper isn't great either, from a production standpoint but it is prompting more people to invest in reusable bags

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

And how much money they have to throw around.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“In a country where fewer people believe in evolution than they did ten years ago, we need more than facts. We need PR or hot spokespeople or something....”

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

DC charges 5 cents per bag - which is a great idea.

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“Its tiring when everyone around you is a climate change skeptic”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

yep. I've long had an idea for corporate-style advertising campaigns that push for these issues, the people's issues.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

just have to find some financing for it, ironically :)

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Becca - Even republicans are coming around.

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

It's only a matter of time.

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

NASA put out a video saying we're fucked by 2100. I did an MOC on it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZQFbSDjHcs

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i think sweden is out of garbage. they can have ours.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

haha - sophia, as a swede, they pretty much are.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“But as far as building steam locally...feeling very alone!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

@Becca - where are you located?

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

I know lots of organizations that have chapters in hundreds of cities.

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

I saw some article about a hedge fund manager who is investing 100 million in alerting people to climate change.

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“NE Ohio”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“In 30 years, we will be mining our garbage dumps for the resources lol.”

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

Kelly - I think we're already there. I think some of them actually collect the methane from the garbage.

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - i saw that too. sounds interesting”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

Hmmmm - check out Move to Amend, Common Cause, Rootstrikers - a lot of these are good hubs to find like-minded activists.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

Also, we did a tawk on digital activism not too long ago that touched on this - giving a list of digital activism sites. I'll copy the link

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

http://inside-the-revolution.blogspot.com/2014/01/digital-activism-links.html

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

“I feel ya Becca. I'm surrounded by old folks and republicans here in FL”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Costello

“That's a good point about climate change. At one point corporations got tired of the Vietnam war and that's pretty much why that ended.”

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

yeah, some corps are hurting from climate change.

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

Not enough though.

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“thanks eleanor!!!!!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“Ya our economy is becoming more reliant on Fracking”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“For people who need local reinforcement, The Solutions Project is pretty great. They have plans backed by biz & research) to make every state renewable reliant. https://www.facebook.com/TheSolutionsProject”

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

Becca - It wouldln't have to be that way if corporate profit wasn't the number one motivation.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“And they have sister projects like "Put Solar On It" that will help anyone put panels on a structure, as long as it's physical feasible.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

Thanks Katie!

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

By the way, after this tawk, you can check out my video on how we need a climate change revolution on the ground level, not from the corporate powers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSChQ7cmbFw

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Also, there is an awesome group of people marching across the country to protest ignoring climate change - http://climatemarch.org/

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

I know the guy who started it - Ed Fallon - And he's awesome. I recommend everybody look if the march is coming near you and go help out for a day, or a week, or a month!

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“I agree Lee. But locally, for me, many of the locals are linked to fracking in some way. So as far as climate change goes, they really do not want to hear it. Or at least thats how I feel. I probably have to move soon. LOL”

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGlYXumguI Guy McPherson—"How Do We Act in the Face of Climate Chaos”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Stop fracking OMG its horrible way. Go hho.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from monica G

“Do you believe ANY of the corps are changing for the better due to public protest?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

Corps will only change when it's good for their bottom line - by law, that's their contract.

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Monica - 1) It's not just about corporations. If politicians do fear for their seats, they will change a little. But more importantly the country needs to become aware.

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

2) Corporations need positive brand recognition - we have the power to turn them into bad entities.

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

However, I think more people are steering their money away from corporations that are outwardly against these issues of climate preservation and more. Our money is a very powerful tool in change

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

And once the public views them negatively, it can really fuck them.

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“We have to tie climate to other issues like jobs -- the way someone said earlier. It'll make it easier for people to vote on climate.”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“I can't believe that they would frack on an island like UK. Where is the water lens?”

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“money talks,and the biggest pay packet wins the deal. or election....”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Agreed Lee... If enough people were awake to vote in real candidates, maybe we'll get there.”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

“Some corps seem to be interested in getting more of the Millennial Dollar by changing how they do business. Chipotle, for example. If we ask for it, they'll consider it.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

And if real candidates could make it into the ring without billions of dollars

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“The average person has very little money to work with”

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

I gotta run but feel free to keep tawking. Also check out Katie's tawk tomorrow - Katie, what's the info?

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

Oh wow, it's 5pm - time flies!

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“I agree with Lee on the huge importance of voting with dollars.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@E which also means convincing those "real candidates" to run. Tough sell.”

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

And come join me at www.facebook.com/leecampcomedian

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“7:30 EST”

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

Join Katie and Steve Horn at 7:30 tomorrow for another tawk

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Nicholas Thulin

“Protesting corporations does work http://www.blisstree.com/2012/12/13/beauty-shopping/eco-friendly-clothes/”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:01 AM

Yep - just trying to find someone in LA to champion a resolution against citizens united was like trying to convince someone to murder their firstborn

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:02 AM

Thanks everyone for joining us!

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:02 AM

If you got here late, be sure to look at some of the awesome links people shared

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

Also keep in touch at @LeeCamp on Twitter. And come back next Tuesday! We're here every week tackling different topics. If you want to see a topic, let us know!

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Great chat!”

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“thanks Eleanor and Lee for damn awesome tawk. thank you :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:02 AM

Tune in to Katie's tawk tomorrow and we'll be back next Tuesday :)

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from monica G

“thank you.”

Lee Camp · 1:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Reginald Schluffenstein

“Thanks Eleanor and Lee!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:03 AM

@rooftopeleanor rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Lee Camp · 1:03 AM

Thanks Reginald

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Thanks, Eleanor!”

Lee Camp · 1:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Global Risk

“follow info on the environment, energy, and economics at www.globalriskreport.com”

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Johnathonfall thethirdFeb 18, 2014, 1:59 PM

I keep getting invitations from rebecca westbrook token and nothing from lee and eleanor.

Johnathonfall thethirdFeb 18, 2014, 2:01 PM

Not much change here to prepare for. The weather is mild, boring & nice here in Chiang Mai.

Lucy DyerFeb 18, 2014, 11:11 PM

just a thought: all those beans you may be hoarding,wont they create methane and so contribute to the climate change? oh and poor cows.....

comet demutaFeb 18, 2014, 11:51 PM

ahoy's from oz. this week my eyes broke and i ended up in hospital. im just popping in to say hi, i cant stay as there is no way i can keep up. dont worry it'll be ok. Thank you for all the great work you are all doing. peace love and respect comet

Global RiskFeb 18, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Do everything you can to build and enhance local systems, sorry no real solutions people will actually do til its too late, climate change we are experiencing now was from human actions 40 years ago, all we can do is adapt

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:00 AM

@global - this is true. best we can do now is prepare for the future

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

hey eleanor and lee!! hope all is good with you guys :-)

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:02 AM★ Spotlighted

revolution revolution!....oooops sorry,that should be evolution, evolution!!!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I favor prevention than preparation for failure

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:04 AM★ Spotlighted

you know some of the island that i live on is gonna fall into the sea

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:04 AM

theres a bloody great big crack down one side of the island

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:04 AM★ Spotlighted

Hey Lee, any new news on that "ark" thing those rich folks were building?

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes, that one.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Maybe we should just let humanity undo itself... ;)

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:05 AM★ Spotlighted

why would we do that reginald? we have the capacity to do so much better.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:06 AM★ Spotlighted

of which all will go to natural gas TV ads

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:06 AM★ Spotlighted

I know, Sophia.... pardon my misanthropy.

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:07 AM★ Spotlighted

We need the elected officials who believe that "only god can destroy this earth" out of office and put some real scientists in their place

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:08 AM

wow i talk about my island falling apart and my internet crashes!! lol

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Is it that belief, or is it simply the ignorance that Money can do no wrong. The defense seems to be that Capitalism is so great, that when it comes time to clean the environment, it'll just create more jobs...

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:10 AM

love how lee just makes up words. you should write a dictionary,Lee

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:11 AM

Wasn't God just gonna end everything soon anyway? Why clean the environment? That End of Days is supposed to be just around the corner....

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:11 AM

thanks haarp!

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:11 AM★ Spotlighted

Government is not going to solve this problem, spending money that does not exist is not the answer, look up the power of doing stuff by the Transition Town movement, grassroots change and power down, will happen anyway, matter of react or proact

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:11 AM★ Spotlighted

Longer summers and colder winters here in FL. also, Hurricanes seem to be shifting their path away from us and towards the Eastern Seaboard.

Robin MaynardFeb 19, 2014, 12:12 AM

winters are too warm here in Montana. used to be regularly 20 to 30 below for a few weeks.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:12 AM

i am always trendy on twitter,just no-one else notices

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Where my Midwestern's at? MN/WI border!!

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

It's 75 degrees in Vegas right now and we had winter weather for 1 week this season.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:12 AM★ Spotlighted

btw,heres a story about the island falling apart - http://onthewight.com/2014/02/18/headon-warren-crack-landslip-developing/

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

It seems that the weather swings are more extreme in NW IN.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:13 AM

its like that pretty much everywhere.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:13 AM

love from the glove y'all! :-)

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

What is prepping for the climate change? Should I have stock piles of food? :)

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:13 AM★ Spotlighted

O, and it snowed in Egypt. can't forget that

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Weather swings severe enough to kill the tomatoes inside my house from frost damage 3 inches from window near chicago last month

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:14 AM★ Spotlighted

there are some houses that were evacuate cos of landslides. some were damaged some werent. those that werent were told by the insures that if they left their policy would be null and void

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:15 AM

and people here DON'T like wind farm - either on land or in the sea

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

@ reginald. Stockpiling isn't particularly necessary yet, but knowing how to rig up a greenhouse and find food naturally around you is a good way to start.

Blake IanFeb 19, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Anyone here get a chance to check this out?? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2012/dec/12/chasing-ice-iceberg-greenland-video

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

probably the biggest threat is severe weather affecting nuclear power plants, not considered typically when discussing climate change, we have precidents

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Prepping for climate change depends on where you are from. As the avg global temp goes up the avg rel humidity goes down but the avg absolute humidity goes up. So, there is more water in the atmosphere than ever yet, it is harder to pull out of air

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Is it legal to forage for your own food? What about the Montana guy that got arrested for it?

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:16 AM

make a list,Lee. like you were shopping only you are going shopping for the world

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Weapons, knowledge, supplies, involvement in community.

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM

We have a house on a lake near Laporte Indiana and they had to cancel the annual fishing derby the previous 2 winters... No problem this year.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

@ reginald, It's not illegal if you don't get caught

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Those laws are hysterical...but real.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Later this week and next week, the melting snow will absorb water like a sponge. When it finally lets loose there will be many floods in places that people do not expect floods

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM

i should say 12 crates of whiskey,and years supply of doritos and a blow up doll should do the trick.....

Carl DodgeFeb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee, can we prep? Other than watching the aforementioned "Day After Tomorrow" we really don't know what is coming...so how can we prep? We are all just screwed!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

@ elanor, I don't think an arsenal is necessary. Just something to help you forage if need be.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Lucy -- I'll get the whiskey.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Not to be a quitter... but if it comes down to people's stockpiles of food and arsenals... I'm just fine untethering from the earthly realm....

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:18 AM★ Spotlighted

#priorities

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:18 AM

oh yeah guns will change the climate. less hot air around i guess

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

best summary of climate change, Lee invite guy on your podcast http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:19 AM

@katie - hell yeah!

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Last week I tweeted about constructing a pipeline to send all of our flood water to California.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:20 AM

I'd call myself a little extreme, but no bunker or anything.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

No amount of prepping can save us from everything. We have to eat, drink and breathe. You can't hoard air like the SpaceBalls air-in-a-can gag. <sigh>

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:20 AM

it'll be like a real life the Walking Dead episode.....

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:20 AM★ Spotlighted

nestle :-(

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:20 AM

@ katie, but you can rig air purifiers and solar powered vent-port assemblies.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM

would air in a can have a sell by date?

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Why can't Canada refine all that oil themselves?

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Agreed. It is absolutely insane that we can't move water around. The fucking Romans could move water around.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

If we had a national sewage system for growing algae in the sunshine states there would be more freshwater than california could handle as a by product.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM

in china they have a nice picture of the sunset because you cant see it thru the smog. its great.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Both -- they don't have the refining capacity.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Again, I think this all stems back to our root of the love of money. Wetiko. Instead of prepping individual to survive the fallout, we need to address the policies that bring it about.

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:22 AM

local resource kit https://bealocalist.org/community-capital-toolkit-resources localize localize localize

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:22 AM

i loved the article lee posted earlier about the canadian pipeline now called us oil - that right? - its like canada REALLY dont like the us

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Growing algae in the desert states would absorb more CO2 than we produce and eliminate the need to dig coal, drill oil, or use nukes within 10 years

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:22 AM

Or a revolution revolution...

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

If the people up there get sick, at least they have better healthcare.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM

the aquaducts?

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM

what did the romans ever do for us?

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Sewage to fuel starves no one, would put 12 million americans to work, and end fossil fuel corruption of governements

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

as long of pollution is cheaper than clean air, and cheap is a priority... we really have no way out.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM

(i feel a python sketch coming on....)

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:23 AM★ Spotlighted

I know the solution, have more debates with idiots and Bill Nye

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:24 AM

food air miles!!!

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Solar and wind can really provide energy that's cheaper in the long run, etc etc. The people with the power just don't care. They've never had to worry about their needs, so it doesn't occur to worry about anyone else's.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:24 AM

instead of dropping bombs,drop food!

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Edison and JP Morgan made sure Tesla's dream of free energy stayed out of reach.

Omar HashemyanFeb 19, 2014, 12:25 AM★ Spotlighted

Solar and wind energy can't be regulated too because it's always present and we breathe and feel it

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:25 AM

@ Omar, but I can be polluted.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:25 AM

Sewage to fuel, used with conservation, wind, solar [photo], and solar [thermo-fluid] and solar thermoelectric are the only three ways to correct the co2 problem

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

I say, right before we go to the Next War... we decide at the last second to spend ALL THAT MONEY that went unquestioned to putting solar panels on everyone's house.

Omar HashemyanFeb 19, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

That's the thing though, get rid of the corps that are polluting the air somehow

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:26 AM

I had a broccoli plant survive the winter last year and this year I haven't even seen my garden, covered in snow all winter, that is climate change

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:26 AM★ Spotlighted

True campaign finance reform would eventually solve a lot of this... and I wouldn't have to constantly watch the same campaign adds.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:26 AM

have you mentioned the one type of energy that is in abundance? ourselves.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

We only have 1 solar thermal fluid plant taht opened this week. We have no solar thermoelectric plants that can use sun during day, compost at night to generate power

Carl DodgeFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

So here is question...what can we do in our homes to become independant? Can we all install Windmills and Solar Panels? How do we get "off the grid"?

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

Evening folks, Lee, always a pleasure. I still actually know people who swear global warming is a fiction created for christ knows what reason.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM★ Spotlighted

I say we've misjudged Chevron, at least: n"The Chevron Guarantee: Our well won't explode...or your pizza is free!"nhttp://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Chevron-Endure-our-fracking-fire-and-the-pizzas-on-us.html

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM

Hmm, looks like ALEC needs to have some fossil fuel exposure. Namely a bottle full of it, on fire... in their office.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM

Free Loaders? See that's our mentality. What if feeding and clothing everyone actually made people productive members of society and Not Freeloaders?

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:27 AM

everyone should learn basic food and water skills

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:28 AM

Damn that solar and wind energy... why it's Un-American!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:28 AM★ Spotlighted

@carl - here we tried with solar panels on the roof but its not cost effect...yet.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:28 AM

Yeah, Steve Horn posted that earlier. I just can't....

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:28 AM

Yeah. I mean, come on folks. HOW IS THAT A THING?

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

Did they make the pizza locally? #ThanksNoThanks

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

I just don't get how something as simple as carbon sequestration is eluding these people who claim to be rational, thinking adults.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

Why do the CEOs of the energy companies believe they will be untouched by climate change?

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

We have over 20,000 unemployed manufacturing engineers that are available now to build plants for making supplies for thermo and solar generation. Right now, the us lost all of its thermoelectronic factories to china. Thermoelectronics are not eve

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

Still hoping a Fracking Well explodes in my neighborhood. I like pizza.

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

I'm afraid that their gonna bring that stuff to NY and pollute my family's wells.

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

Free pizza? Well frack me!

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

it was for a certain type of pizza only, pizza discrimination

Parry NattkemperFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

"Do people care? Chevron cares" mmm gas fired pizzas!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - yeah me too. but no-one wants windmills in their backgardens. or as they are called NIMBY's - not in my back yard

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:29 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/ivanpah-solar-plant-already-irrelevant-2014-2

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM

My brain can't think of anything past Pizza... except for maybe reality tv....

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

Thermoelectronic solar power is not even discussed in news articles on solar power and thermoelectric can use alternate heat source at night in lieu of sun.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM★ Spotlighted

everyone wants to go green in the UK,but no-one is willing to even try the windmill energy. its bloody annoying at times

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM

I'll be we turn these Disasters INTO Reality TV shows before we attempt to prevent them.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM

not windy enough most places for a windmill in your backyard

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:30 AM

smaller communities need to become more self reliant

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

free pizza for all affected by climate change

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

This solar plant outside of Vegas is pretty incredible it creates enough power to supply 140,000 homes

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM

Or we could steal the money... or just use raw manpower!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM

and as for solar panels. the cost you would get back on your bills is going down each year.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee.. THAT might work!

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee, there would be riots

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

how about new currency backed by organic farms and renewable energy?

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM

yeah but send out ads that offer free weed first tho...

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM

I feel like its such a large step going from our current lifestyle to what we need. How do you bridge the gap?

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM★ Spotlighted

I fear that until someone figures out a way to charge monthly for solar or wind power, no money will ever be spent on infrastructure until it's far too late.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM

Start putting it in terms people care about: Climate Change = No Pizza. No Reality TV. No More Sporting Events!!!!

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:32 AM

Organic food ended march 11, 2011

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

We spend too much money telling people to go to the emergency room when their viagra causes a four hour boner...

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

So about prepping. Anyone in here besides me do it?

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:33 AM

@Lee - like giving the world its own parasol

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

Lee... Cheaper is all that matters. Why bother to analyze it beyond that?

Carl DodgeFeb 19, 2014, 12:33 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee wasn't that the plot to Highlander 2?

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

geoengineering is happening, but completely under control, yeah right

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

I have an indoor farm with 18 times the density of an outside garden

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

It comes down to the privatized, capitalist system. If no one can make money from it, it will not happen. It is up to our government to make the moves, which circles back around to campaign finance.

Rob EllisonFeb 19, 2014, 12:34 AM★ Spotlighted

Mike, I am from the UK and I have been considering it, Prepping isnt anywhere near as big here as it is in the US.

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:35 AM

hydroponics and aquaponics!

Robin MaynardFeb 19, 2014, 12:35 AM

Taylor... i do, some. no arsenal, tho.

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:35 AM★ Spotlighted

Has anyone read about the off shore wind farms that could slow Hurricanes down? http://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/12/12/daily-circuit-climate-cast

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:35 AM

Fukushima is so widespread, it is global uncontrolled genetic modification. see today's news about birth defect surge in pacific northwest?

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:36 AM

permaculture!

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

Yet, if you don't want to live within the "system" life becomes a bit more difficult...

Parry NattkemperFeb 19, 2014, 12:36 AM

They want to create GMO Forests

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

@Carl Dodge, I know a woman who uses solar for heat and electric, she also grows most of her own foods, and has a wood burning hot water heater. She's about as off the grid as you can get, excepting phone and gasoline for her car.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:36 AM★ Spotlighted

Story City Iowa has not had a near hit with a tornado since they got the largest windfarm in Iowa. In a location that is center of Iowa's tornado alley

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

Agreed, Becca!

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

Less Diversity, Lee? Just sounds like "efficiency" to the people in that mindset.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

But if the have to manually pollinate, im sure someone is figuring out how to make money from that!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

i read the amazon rain Forrest is growing itself back. its a crazy thing called mother nature doing what she knows best. repairing herself

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

are there gmo bees? scary stuff.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

Lucy -- yeah, when we stop pissing her off.

Rob EllisonFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

GMO's The EU members just voted to not allow another strain of GMO's to be produced here...yet voting rules state that it isnt good enough and they will be allowed anyway. Go figure.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM★ Spotlighted

"If the situation is as catastrophic as many of us agree it is, we are in one of those moments where we need to stop dreaming endlessly of these utopian plans of these great ideas we have and actually move towards implementing them."

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:37 AM

I heated a 20ft x 10 foot enclosed porch with a black garbage bag and a piece of tape west of chigago for 3 years

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:38 AM

@katie - true and when we just leave her alone

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

he revolutionary moment is so ripe, but only if we move from protest to implementation. The only way to move to implementation is to be the legitimate power and the only way to have legitimate power is to win an election.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:38 AM★ Spotlighted

And the only election we can win, is a local one.

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:38 AM

I have a 18 inch ear of frankencorn and a tumor to match.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:38 AM

I am trying to implement mine now. Bought website and am waiting for patents to clear

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:39 AM

that's paraphrased from Micah White and the lessons he learned during the occupy protest. https://soundcloud.com/smokefarmsymposium/micah-white

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:39 AM

start small,grow big

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:40 AM

I'm not sure we can win any elections. Somehow the guys on our side always seem to disappear...

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

All of these Tawks perhaps need to come down to the HOW we are going to make the Revolution happen. How can we wake up enough people to have a peaceful revolution that changes America and the world?

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:40 AM★ Spotlighted

When people stand up, those firmly planted in their seats get squirmy.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

@reginald - now THATS the million dollar question

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

by not being totally peaceful of course

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

I think I may be doing this wrong, hitting enter not tawk. My bad if i just dropped a super long post

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I dont know how to reach people that live thinking a totally different truth than I do.

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

I am going to write a new social contract. I need a month.

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

It's great more people are aware of the big issues facing our planet and I believe there is fear among the corps that the awareness is rising.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

Exactly, we need a game plan. Concrete steps to take.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

squeaky bum time,katie

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

I live in rural Ohio by the way

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

invest, spend, invest time in local initiatives, stop supporting the global system

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM

Also the change has to come from us and I mean us in the fullest of the word.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:41 AM★ Spotlighted

Good call, Lee. We have to create a climate where NOT engaging becomes the uncomfortable choice.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Once my patents are in place, I will start a kickstarter to get my energy producing farms going

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

My biggest concern: the "wake-up" process will be too slow and too late

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:42 AM

I am a recently retired Steelworker. Now I have more time to raise a little hell.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:42 AM★ Spotlighted

Gay Marriage and Pot are great for the economy, those should be no brainers for the money lovers.

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:43 AM

That's my fear too Becca. Too many with blinders on and indifferent. I know there is change happening but it is so slow.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

I think the problem is we don't know what to do, The choir is in here, we are awake.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Why is "Love Each Other" such a hard sell to people?

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM

pot is only great if they can tax it and too many people know its SOO easy to grow. so i have heard anyway..

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM

do you guys think - and i include both audience and hosts - that there will be definite change in our life time? or is are just going to be preparing for our kids future?

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

I am working on it. We need a new social contract. The behavior of free people will solve so many of the other problems. The wake up call needs to come from inside.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM

Eric, I find lots of my kind online. Not as much in my neighborhood unfortunately.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM

Lee... valid point!

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

I know it's slow, but sometimes you have to wake em up one at a time.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:44 AM★ Spotlighted

reg, its because people are taught they are separate from each other since birth..

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM

We know what to do. But, those with ideas that are practical are thrown to side while elaborate scams are taking the limelight

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

we just need to act locally, I will be on a call in one hour helping to form a local food coop, everyone should do the same, just do something

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

read the philosophy book and we all can write one :). new ideas for a new world.

Jeff CostelloFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM

I think a lot of us really do know how to make change. We need more civil disobedience. That's like 95 percent of it. That's how it's always been done. People just need to be convinced of this more.

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

where are you all from? anyone else from the SF bay area?

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm disappointed that Las Vegas still has not legalized gay marriage and pot... As the marriage and party capital of the world the tax revenue could seriously improve our failing education system

Eric RheinheimerFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM★ Spotlighted

real community is built in person

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:45 AM

They say in the end times, the community will flourish to combat the loss of services.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

i think people ARE starting to care/worry about their neighbours more nowadays

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

i agree, eleanor! i want to open a virtual zoo because i love animals and i love teaching kids and it will do good for the animals in their environment,

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:46 AM

I constantly try to educate my kids and grandkids.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:46 AM★ Spotlighted

and i think things like occupy sandy helped change that

Parry NattkemperFeb 19, 2014, 12:46 AM

Yes,it will force people to start growing food together in their communities.How about more urban food forests& stop criminalizing the homeless/hungry

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:47 AM★ Spotlighted

One university in texas demonstrated a viable sewage to fuel system to repolace jet fuel in five years on public land. Bush cronies made it illegal to use public land to grow algal based jet fuel. DOD says algal jet fuel is superior to fossil deriv

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:47 AM

you cant expect things to change over night. if we all change a small thing it would help

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

We have tons of technology... that's not our shortcoming...

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:48 AM

Nitinol heat engines, hho wind solor bloom box jean pains bio pile.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:48 AM★ Spotlighted

Haven't we been productive enough? Time to put our technology to work.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM

@sophia - absolutly

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM

We need to open up the patent laws so the shelved tech can hit the people.

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM

technology and progress is the problem, we need to power down and simplify, we are way past the tipping points

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM

They steal the opportunity from us, so it's about time we steal it back.

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

My wife wonders why I always throw vegetable scraps into the woods around our place. Would you rather I put it in a plastic bag in a landfill?

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

Only half the algae grown to make diesel and Jet fuel actually becomes fuel. So, net CO2 reduction is 50% of fuel burned in jet using algal fuel is reducing CO2 in atmosphere

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:49 AM★ Spotlighted

Browsing corps fb sites, it's noticeable there's a stronger voice against issues such as GMO.s Just came from quaker advertising a giveaway. At least 40% of the comments were against this company talking of how disgusting their ingredients are.

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:50 AM

Massachusetts

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:50 AM

you dont need tech to make fire,or to make a home made windmill. we rely a little too much on tech i think

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:50 AM★ Spotlighted

In a country where fewer people believe in evolution than they did ten years ago, we need more than facts. We need PR or hot spokespeople or something....

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:50 AM

WTF it frowned upon to not take plastic there? That's just just crazy. MIND CONtROL.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:51 AM★ Spotlighted

Its tiring when everyone around you is a climate change skeptic

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:51 AM

a wind mill is technology, lucy

Carl DodgeFeb 19, 2014, 12:51 AM

So does Maryland

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:51 AM

Canada tries to use canvas reuseable bags.

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:51 AM

If we sent all of our garbage to Japan, would it eventually contain their radiation?

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM

we chagre 20p per plastic bag

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

i think sweden is out of garbage. they can have ours.

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM

Katie is right. Even OWS didn't get much attention until those brave girls took there tops off to draw more occupiers to the square

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM

When corps start losing profits due to weather, they finally raise the eyebrow

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM

I hope that matter of time isn't too late. I'm trying to be a skeptical optimist, but it's hard.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

But as far as building steam locally...feeling very alone!

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:52 AM★ Spotlighted

In 30 years, we will be mining our garbage dumps for the resources lol.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

NE Ohio

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

Ames Iowa turned their garbage into electricity in the 80's. They had to shut down because they could only get a permit to buy coal

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

Very rural

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

Steam power local? look at cyclone technologies becca.

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

That is ridiculous!! I've seen obvious sabotage on other sites as well. Love your work Lee!!! Thank you for bringing it out with humor and wit.

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

look around, we are fucked now, 2100? Hopium? we need to wake up now

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

I think Climate Change, as an issue, is to obscure and technical for many people to process. They need the Daily Effects discussion and the implications in their lives.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

too

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

i am in southern michigan, becca. we're not TOO far away! hi there!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - i saw that too. sounds interesting

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:53 AM

for now, but actually Frack City, OH so maybe not for long

Taylor ThoringtonFeb 19, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

I feel ya Becca. I'm surrounded by old folks and republicans here in FL

Mike DwornikFeb 19, 2014, 12:54 AM

Great tawk folks! I was a virgin here. Gotta go.

Jeff CostelloFeb 19, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

That's a good point about climate change. At one point corporations got tired of the Vietnam war and that's pretty much why that ended.

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:54 AM★ Spotlighted

thanks eleanor!!!!!!

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:54 AM

at least the bankers are all starting to die off, they are jumping off buildings ore being pushed

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:55 AM

Oh they do collect methane on some lee. The rest just have it venting. On small scale, many have their own biodigester to heat and fuel thier homes. Jean Pain.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Ya our economy is becoming more reliant on Fracking

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

For people who need local reinforcement, The Solutions Project is pretty great. They have plans backed by biz & research) to make every state renewable reliant. https://www.facebook.com/TheSolutionsProject

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:55 AM

One sperm whale can anchor the amount of CO2 reduction of thousands of square miles of trees. We must outlaw all killing of sperm whales

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:55 AM★ Spotlighted

And they have sister projects like "Put Solar On It" that will help anyone put panels on a structure, as long as it's physical feasible.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

ack fuck fracking. we got sink hole problems right now!

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

For sure!

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

much appreciate, katie

Kailyn KyleFeb 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

Corps. that are putting methane and carbon dioxide into the air need to pay a special tax to fund climate change reversal tactics.

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

Now If I have a good idea, How do I get it out without A getting killed or B getting offered 1 billion?

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:57 AM★ Spotlighted

I agree Lee. But locally, for me, many of the locals are linked to fracking in some way. So as far as climate change goes, they really do not want to hear it. Or at least thats how I feel. I probably have to move soon. LOL

Michael WhiteFeb 19, 2014, 12:57 AM

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=AwrBT4X7AART5GoAiaJXNyoA?p=artificial+leaf&fr=slv1-tyc9&fr2=piv-web

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:57 AM

I would never take the money but paul patone was put into an asylum for not taking the money WTF .

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:57 AM

@Kailyn - we have a Green Tax over here in the UK. altho i dont see much "green" things happening. just lots of fracking lol

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGlYXumguI Guy McPherson—"How Do We Act in the Face of Climate Chaos

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM

Ugh, Lucy, that is so frustrating.

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Do you believe ANY of the corps are changing for the better due to public protest?

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM★ Spotlighted

Stop fracking OMG its horrible way. Go hho.

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM

I do see positive change in canada.

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:58 AM

That's part of the hook/problem... Jobs are created in Fracking. Jobs are created in Big Oil.... Clean energy looses jobs... and we don't know what to do with that.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM

We have a good number of guys from out of town working with the oil rigs. They are all such nice people. Its hard to talk truth with them

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM

Thats right lee we need people with no fear up there.

Dennis OwenFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM

Did you guys discus if we passed the tipping point to irreversible warming?

Jeff CostelloFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM

I just hate when people say we can fix everything by just "not buying oil and gas". If that's the main transportation option for most people, it's just not realistic. Unless people just decide to starve and not go to work in order to save the earth

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM

start right now, stop buying stuff from global corporations

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

We have to tie climate to other issues like jobs -- the way someone said earlier. It'll make it easier for people to vote on climate.

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

money talks,and the biggest pay packet wins the deal. or election....

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

I can't believe that they would frack on an island like UK. Where is the water lens?

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 12:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Agreed Lee... If enough people were awake to vote in real candidates, maybe we'll get there.

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM

people like jessie ventura and others that are fearless leaders.

Kailyn KyleFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Some corps seem to be interested in getting more of the Millennial Dollar by changing how they do business. Chipotle, for example. If we ask for it, they'll consider it.

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

The average person has very little money to work with

Sophia BelitaFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM

check out B the Change businesses

Drew InglesFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

I agree with Lee on the huge importance of voting with dollars.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:00 AM★ Spotlighted

@E which also means convincing those "real candidates" to run. Tough sell.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

7:30 EST

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

even on the little island where i am there are a couple of places that want to frack. yay :-/

Jeff CostelloFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

I'm all for boycotting oil, for those who can. But we need the government to invest in cleaner options if they're gonna take our tax dollars.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

I'm chatting with Steve Horn from DeSmogBLog about Keystone and how that's blinding us to other issues.

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

Like Kraft and foodbabe bringing awareness to the crap in Kraft Dinner. 200000+ signatures but it still wasn't enough. And I don't think it affected them. And people have short memories.

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Protesting corporations does work http://www.blisstree.com/2012/12/13/beauty-shopping/eco-friendly-clothes/

Mitchell HeldtFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

It takes me months to save up for one energy experiment.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

Thanks, Lee!

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 1:01 AM

I ask everyone who can think here to look at this video and think beyond it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmYqUSDch8

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Great chat!

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

thanks Eleanor and Lee for damn awesome tawk. thank you :-)

Reginald SchluffensteinFeb 19, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks Eleanor and Lee!

monica GFeb 19, 2014, 1:02 AM★ Spotlighted

thank you.

Katie KlabusichFeb 19, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks, Eleanor!

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 1:03 AM★ Spotlighted

follow info on the environment, energy, and economics at www.globalriskreport.com

Nicholas ThulinFeb 19, 2014, 1:03 AM

Thank you

Lucy DyerFeb 19, 2014, 1:03 AM

see you in the tawk tomorrow katie! :-)

kelly mackinFeb 19, 2014, 1:03 AM

Wayne Delorm and I will be doing renewable energy talks too.

Global RiskFeb 19, 2014, 1:04 AM

sorry, www.globalriskreport.info

Johnathonfall thethirdFeb 19, 2014, 1:10 AM

over slept!

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 1:13 AM

You missed all the fun. I came late and was reading the beginning, got anything to say? lol

Becca GambsFeb 19, 2014, 1:16 AM

good links everyone, bye!