Lee Camp

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Rock, Comedy, & Revolution

Nov 7, 2013·209 visitors

Eleanor Goldfield

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Nov 7, 2013

Comedian Lee Camp jams with the lead singer of the band Rooftop Revolutionaries, Eleanor Goldfield!

Lee Camp · 4:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tawkers Admin

“Once 25 people gather in the audience, a comment needs at least one LIKE to become visible to the two Hosts and anyone not following them. So LIKE the comments you want everyone to see!”

Lee Camp · 10:00 PM

Hey EVERYBODY!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:00 PM

Ah, ok. This is how it works. HI!

Lee Camp · 10:00 PM

Note the comment above about "liking" comments from the audience.

Lee Camp · 10:01 PM

For those who don't know Eleanor, she's an accomplished musician and her band Rooftop Revolutionaries has a blood curdling (the good kind) album called "Resolute"

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:01 PM

I think you already have a ? Lee. One that could apply to music as well if I may be so bold as to interject :)

Lee Camp · 10:01 PM

She's also an agitator.

Lee Camp · 10:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“Lee, how long into performing stand-up comedy was it before you were able to talk about social and political issues without losing the crowd (like whenever i try to do it >_<)?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:01 PM

Fuck yes, I am.

Lee Camp · 10:01 PM

Sure, let's take Spencer's question and apply it to music too.

Lee Camp · 10:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Hey Lee and Eleanor!! two groovy people!”

Lee Camp · 10:02 PM

Spencer, I totally hear you. It took me awhile, several years, and even then I was kinda slowly moving towards it. I'm glad that I spent a bunch of years just getting good at stand-up before I tried to be political. That helped a lot.

Lee Camp · 10:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“all the best people disturb the peace. ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:03 PM

As far as music goes, it's about the angle and how you present it. No one wants to be preached at. Music is an incredible medium that entertains as well as engages.

Lee Camp · 10:03 PM

My advice - since you're a comic - is to slip one in every once in awhile and then go from there. Keep increasing the amount, kinda like poisoning someone with arsenic.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:03 PM

In between songs, I interact with the crowd, I let them sing along in choruses so they know the words and make them their own.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:03 PM

And arsenic helps too

Lee Camp · 10:04 PM

Wait, is that how arsenic works?

Lee Camp · 10:04 PM

Can you feel if you're "losing" a crowd with rock, Eleanor?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:04 PM

Oh hell yes

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:04 PM

to the losing the crowd part, not the arsenic

Lee Camp · 10:04 PM

So you have to bring them back in with dick jokes? Or is that just me?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:04 PM

hahaha

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:04 PM

that may just be you and bill hicks

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:04 PM

You have to augment, change paths on the fly

Lee Camp · 10:05 PM

And you bring them back with sing alongs or a strategic cover song?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:05 PM

so in a way, it's like comedy but I don't have to be funny, just engaging

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:05 PM

I bring them back with something they can relate to. We change tunings a few times and the guys switch guitars so there's down time

Lee Camp · 10:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jakob Madsen

“When will more artists realize and wake up to the rotten abuse of copyright laws?”

Lee Camp · 10:06 PM

Wait, so during the downtime, do you have to just talk to the crowd?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:06 PM

That's where I talk. If I feel like I'm losing them, I'll as a question or switch gears

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:06 PM

Yep, which I like. I'm an arrogant little shit that way

Lee Camp · 10:06 PM

Ha.

Lee Camp · 10:06 PM

Jakob, to answer your question, I have no idea. EG, you have a take on copyright?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:07 PM

As for the question on copyright laws, I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you be more specific

Lee Camp · 10:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“gotta be careful, prolonged exposure to small amounts of arsenic will make you immune ~_^ thanks you guys.”

Lee Camp · 10:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i think whatever the style of music,or whatever is being sung...for me,if its a good tune,you can kinda sing along with it,you'll hold the crowd.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:07 PM

Lucy, that's true. But for me, it's important that they understand the message, and those spaces between songs are great for that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:07 PM

But it has to be done in an entertaining and engaging way

Lee Camp · 10:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@Jakob all those copyright laws and the history of them made me rethink going into the music business...”

Lee Camp · 10:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“arrogant? or just confident in who you are? ;)”

Lee Camp · 10:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“that arrogance shows thru in your music,Eleanor. which by the way is bloody awesome!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:08 PM

Thank you much

Lee Camp · 10:09 PM

Eleanor, being right on political issues has helped my confidence. It's like "fuck 'em if they don't like it. They're wrong."

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:09 PM

Very true.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:10 PM

But getting people to listen to what you have to say matters in how you present it

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:10 PM

A song is a great medium b/c they'll rock out initially and then be too deep before they realize they're singing along to it...hehe

Lee Camp · 10:10 PM

EG, you're one of the GAZILLION outwardly political rock bands running around America. How do you differentiate from them? (There's no sarcasm in any part of this question except for all of it.)

Lee Camp · 10:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“The difference between arrogance and confidence is the ability to perform.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:10 PM

But in the interim between songs, that's where you can really dig in, make people think while you entertain 'em. That's a beautiful thing

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:11 PM

Hahaha

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:11 PM

That's a tough one. I may have to start wearing meat dresses soon

Lee Camp · 10:12 PM

Get on the meat dress wagon!!

Lee Camp · 10:12 PM

And start sticking your tongue out more!! It's working for Miley.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:12 PM

Btw everyone, the arrogance comment was a joke...I see a lot of replies on that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:12 PM

I'll let Gene Simmons handle that one

Lee Camp · 10:12 PM

The key to Miley is not just the tongue but how incredibly talented she is.

Lee Camp · 10:13 PM

Wait, I was thinking of someone else.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:13 PM

Or anyone else

Lee Camp · 10:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“EG -- Does the size of the crowd affect your ability to communicate the political message from stage?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:13 PM

Woah, weird. We just spotlighted that at the same time.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:13 PM

Get out of my brain

Lee Camp · 10:13 PM

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:13 PM

Anyway - Katie, it's really the type of crowd and not the size

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:13 PM

As long as the venue has a good sound system, size is not an issue.

Lee Camp · 10:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“Lee, you were thinking of ANYONE else.”

Lee Camp · 10:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“don't start twerking please!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:14 PM

Recently we played house of blues with about 1000 people there.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:14 PM

They listened when I spoke, but it wasn't like at Occupy events where people cheer when you speak.

Lee Camp · 10:15 PM

To give you the comedy perspective - it's really tough to do my brand of comedy in front of several thousand people. I talk too fast and the audio echoes and takes awhile to get to the back of the room. it's not much fun at that point.

Lee Camp · 10:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Now on my list of things I NEVER want to see: Lee twerking”

Lee Camp · 10:15 PM

But I've been practicing!!

Lee Camp · 10:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“what is the age group you'd say "gets it" the most?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:15 PM

The message is the same, the delivery slightly different. Sometimes I'll call out to the people in the back who don't seem to be paying attention at a rock club - that can be a nice comic relief and garner more attention.

Lee Camp · 10:15 PM

Ha, yeah, Occupy events are completely different. But then again, not preaching the choir is more fun.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:15 PM

Exactly.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:16 PM

I prefer to have those faces looking up at me wondering more about what I'm saying as opposed to nodding knowingly

Lee Camp · 10:16 PM

@Sophia - Sadly I think more older people "get it." But I think that's changing. I think young people are waking up to some degree.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:16 PM

So yes Katie - long winded answer - but yes, it is more difficult, but not due to size, due to type.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:16 PM

Unfortunately, rock crowds aren't always the most socio-politically engaged

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:16 PM

Which goes with who "gets it."

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:17 PM

A lot of the organizations I work with are peopled with older generations

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:17 PM

Many in my generation feel it's not 'hip' or 'sexy' to be into politics

Lee Camp · 10:17 PM

I was thinking about this today - waking up younger people. The key is to make protest cool again. It has been awhile since protest has been really cool. And of course I find it fucking cool, but we have to change the cultural mindset of the nation.

Lee Camp · 10:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Gotcha. Most HOB venues feel more intimate than they are. Feedback would seem easier at a smaller gig.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:17 PM

Using mediums such as art, comedy, music and movies allows that paradigm to shift

Lee Camp · 10:18 PM

Yes, I was just watching a doc on Edward Bernays and how he made smoking "sexy" and "powerful" for women, when it had been a taboo because women believed it represented a penis. (which it does. Ha. )

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:18 PM

Katie - true. But any crowd will give you feedback, even if they don't know that they are. Kind of like how being silent on political issues is a stance just the same

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:19 PM

Well shit, what does a cigar represent then?

Lee Camp · 10:19 PM

So my question is - do you think it's more powerful to make standing up and protesting cool or do we need to make apathetic people feel like losers?

Lee Camp · 10:19 PM

sometimes a cigar is just a big black penis

Lee Camp · 10:19 PM

to quote carlin

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:19 PM

That's like producing artists. Some need to feel like fools before working harder, others cave

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:20 PM

I was hoping you'd go there ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:20 PM

I think you by integrating politics into pop culture again, you'll automatically make people feel "uncool" when they aren't up on the latest

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:20 PM

many people need to follow the latest trend, and when that trend shifts to be more and more political, they'll follow

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:21 PM

just like people follow the ill-advised loafers and sweater vests trend.

Lee Camp · 10:21 PM

Ha! Indeed.

Lee Camp · 10:21 PM

This is for the audience - What would make you attend more rock shows and comedy shows? Do you ever go? Or do you just get everything online and never feel the need to actually let the music or the comedy enter your bloodstream directly, uncut?

Lee Camp · 10:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“i agree the arts are the best medium to get people thinking and talking”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:22 PM

I'm not in the audience but I'll answer anyway. I wrote an article on the "live show." If you've ever been up front at a rock show, feeling the beat of the drums in your chest, feeling the heat wave off the stage, the punch of the mid range guitars

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:22 PM

you want that again.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:22 PM

It's like a drug and nothing can compare.

Lee Camp · 10:23 PM

Yeah, completely.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:23 PM

You're enveloped by the raw emotion, realizing that it will never again happen this way, be like this instance

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:23 PM

You're experiencing live art

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:23 PM

You're watching art and the artist simultaneously in one unrepeatable tidal wave of sweat, raw emotion, lust, hate, anger, joy and every other damn emotion

Lee Camp · 10:24 PM

It's amazing people don't go more. It's kinda infuriating. Eleanor, do you think it's because greedy venue owners have made tickets cost too much? So it's not fun anymore?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:24 PM

I'm overusing the word emotion, but you get the idea

Lee Camp · 10:24 PM

That has kinda happened with comedy.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:24 PM

Well, that's something I'm combating here

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:24 PM

I've actually worked with local clubs to make all our shows free

Lee Camp · 10:24 PM

Comedy clubs are pretty fucking expensive for an night out.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:24 PM

More people will come, and more people will drink more if they get through the door for free

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:24 PM

Their profits sky-rocket

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:25 PM

The way I see it - rock shows should be free at the door. Band keeps merch and splits bar with venue

Lee Camp · 10:25 PM

So that gets into the question of - Does free stuff depreciate the appreciation for the art? Do people think music isn't worth anything?

Lee Camp · 10:25 PM

(of course I do it too. 90% of everything I create is free.)

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:25 PM

I don't think so.

Lee Camp · 10:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“altho i have to say,i much prefer a band who can actually sing and play their own instruments.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:26 PM

I think people place a value on something they like, they believe in

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:26 PM

If that's your art to them, they'll pay for a shirt at the show

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:26 PM

They'll buy your album

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:26 PM

Making them pay at the door before they've gotten a chance to interact with you is like telling a date they have to pay for the evening before it happens

Lee Camp · 10:27 PM

I agree. When it's in my control, my shows are always very cheap - 5 or $10 - but if I'm at comedy club they always charge $20 plus two drinks, which are way overpriced. They make it as hard as possible for people to have fun.

Lee Camp · 10:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“The two drink minimum standard is cost prohibitive for a lot of people with comedy. And even if a venue doesn't have that, people assume they do. I worked at a jazz club w/a minimum and it was just a way to rip off patrons. It's really gotta go.”

Lee Camp · 10:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jason Andrews

“Money and art have always been strange bedfellows me thinks”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:27 PM

That being said, when we play with bigger bands that have a very established following, those events aren't free, and that's fine. But for us, if we're headlining, I want it to be free or as close to as possible

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:28 PM

Katie - I agree. I went to go support a friend of mine and not only were tickets $10 but I had to buy two drinks. Ridiculous

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:28 PM

Jason, I think money and anything are strange bedfellows. I agree with what Lee said in one of his MOC's - start trading.

Lee Camp · 10:28 PM

I know. It's cheaper just to shoot up in the bathroom with your own stuff!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:29 PM

Hell, if I had a shop, I would totally trade my goods for things I needed - would save me the trouble of having to go buy that crap

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:29 PM

Hahaha - well Lee, I do that anyway

Lee Camp · 10:29 PM

crap, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but I wanted to ask you, Eleanor, is something like money out of politics the answer, or is capitalism at its heart flawed because it demands infinite growth and infinite competition

Lee Camp · 10:30 PM

and we can't support that unless we find a few more earths in the coming years.

Lee Camp · 10:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“probably one of the best nights ive had recently was Lee's gig i went to in may.”

Lee Camp · 10:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Street

“A society centered around the artist's pen!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:30 PM

just like many concepts, capitalism on paper seems like a good idea. people competing for the customers business by always pushing to be better

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:30 PM

however, greed exists

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:31 PM

and when it is allowed to push to the front without checks and balances from the people, you have what we are experiencing now

Lee Camp · 10:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kevin Street

“Farming space rocks!”

Lee Camp · 10:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“capitalism is flawed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:31 PM

money out of politics is mandatory

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:31 PM

pure and simple

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:32 PM

a country can not be governed of, for and by the people when the government is BY LAW required to care more about their bottom line than anything else

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“We also don't actually have capitalism the way libertarians worship it. We have a system of corporate subsidies and loopholes for the already "successful" and rich. There isn't actually competition, just the illusion of competition.”

Lee Camp · 10:32 PM

I agree. money allows the corruption of any kind of democracy. the candidate with the most money wins 93% of the time in the house and 80% in the senate

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:33 PM

Katie - that's very true. That's why I say that it looks good on paper, but greedy people and sociopathic leaders rise to the top, making it what it is today

Lee Camp · 10:33 PM

Yes, but Katie, Libertarians use that as an excuse to say "it's not unfettered capitalism that's flawed - it's our system of cronyism" HOWEVER it is the way capitalism has run amok that IS the flaw.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:33 PM

Politicians are supposed to occupy a public service

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:34 PM

And when they are done, integrate back into the populace. That hasn't happened in a helluva long time

Lee Camp · 10:34 PM

And immense corporate power will always take over the government - So getting rid of crony capitalism does not solve it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:34 PM

This goes back to the idea that we have to not only pay attention but act

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:34 PM

Corporations used to exist only by charter

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:34 PM

to do public good, like build a bridge or a road

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:35 PM

quite a difference from today

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:35 PM

that change didn't happen overnight

Lee Camp · 10:35 PM

I talk a lot about that charter system in my MOC's

Lee Camp · 10:35 PM

We need the right to give the death penalty to corporations

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:35 PM

well, since they're "people," absolutely

Lee Camp · 10:36 PM

I tried molesting a corporation and didn't work - so I don't think they're people.

Lee Camp · 10:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Corporations used to have built-in expiration dates.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:36 PM

shit really got out of hand in the 70s and since then, the people may as well be fucking napping with the man on the moon for all the attention we've paid to this disaster

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:36 PM

keep trying Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:36 PM

exactly Katie. once they had performed that service, they were expunged

Lee Camp · 10:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“we can all do our part towrds a better way of life. no matter what that is,no matter how big or small. we all have a part to play.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:37 PM

and that's the important thing to remember, Lucy

Lee Camp · 10:37 PM

Can music/comedy change anything? Can comedy change anything? I've heard comedians who don't put any politics in their act say, "No one is going to change their mind because of something said in a comedy show." Your thoughts?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:37 PM

not everyone can be funny like Lee. I'd be fucking terrified to go up in front of people HAVING to be funny. think i'd just pass out.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:37 PM

but everyone can do something to further the message.

Lee Camp · 10:38 PM

That pass out act though could be a hit!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:38 PM

the best thing is to align that message with something you're already passionate about

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:38 PM

if you're passionate in what you do and that shows, people pick up on that

Lee Camp · 10:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Your comedy helped ME see things differently Lee. I say it can totally change people's perceptions.. but they must be open to changing their perceptions.”

Lee Camp · 10:38 PM

Thanks Rachel!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:38 PM

and for those people who say it doesn't change anything, ask them what socio-political change has EVER happened with pop culture? and pop culture includes comedy, art, music and movies

Lee Camp · 10:39 PM

Yeah, I have had some people come up to me at protests and say "I'm only here because of your videos" - Those times prove that it can make a difference.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:39 PM

without pop culture is what i meant to write

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:39 PM

damn keyboard

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:39 PM

and that's awesome!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:39 PM

i've had people come up to me after shows and say

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:39 PM

"shit, i had no idea that was happening"

Lee Camp · 10:39 PM

And like I was saying, I think we need to make protest and being informed cool again, sexy again. Rock and comedy can do that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:40 PM

absolutel

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:40 PM

damn it. absolutely

Lee Camp · 10:40 PM

We're getting you too excited for your keyboard, Eleanor.

Lee Camp · 10:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“the arts have always been at the center of change”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:41 PM

Hahaha, I'm getting too passionate about this ;) Either that or the NSA is hacking into my keyboard

Lee Camp · 10:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“ahh, but does art reflect societies ideas, or is society reflecting the artists ideas?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:42 PM

With all the pop culture constantly being consumed on digital and real life platforms, small but steady and ever-growing interjections of socio-political messages and calls to action will make all the difference

Lee Camp · 10:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“if you can change just one persons mind when they are at your gig - be it a comedy gig or a music one - then THAT person will more than likely tell their friends and so on”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:42 PM

It's both Spencer

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:42 PM

We don't care about politics and they don't care about us

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:42 PM

It's a two way street, always has been

Lee Camp · 10:42 PM

I don't think many artists are proposing that corporations should use trade deals to destroy democracy. So I think it's the other one.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:43 PM

True, but like you say Lee, their silence is an "OK" nod

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:43 PM

They are complicit in those crimes precisely because they say nothing about them.

Lee Camp · 10:43 PM

The other thing that's interesting is some of the change protest and culture brings about is not always that obvious - for example the guy who said "Tax the rich" just won mayor of NYC and no one is giving credit to Occupy.

Lee Camp · 10:44 PM

Will he do what he says, who knows. But the fact that that campaign slogan could win anything is testament to changing the cultural mindset.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:44 PM

Good point. I'm wary of campaign slogans in general. Hope and change, etc. etc.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:45 PM

But as an activist, I do see more engagement and more engagement on larger levels

Lee Camp · 10:45 PM

So am I - but normally that idea is a third rail in politics and it's not anymore.

Lee Camp · 10:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Zach Covey

“good point on Occupy, Lee.”

Lee Camp · 10:45 PM

So you're seeing some positive points in our culture?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:46 PM

Besides gluten free pizza, absolutely

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:46 PM

That's the other thing with digital platforms

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:46 PM

It's easier than ever now to engage and interact with organizations such as Common Cause or Rootstrikers, Move to Amend, Money Out/Voters In

Lee Camp · 10:46 PM

Ah, gluten will be our downfall!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:47 PM

I mean, look at what we're doing here! Someone could be googling for talkies and end up here on a whim

Lee Camp · 10:47 PM

One of my greatest fears is the threats to a free internet. The same things that were in SOPA and PIPA are in the TPP.

Lee Camp · 10:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hold up one sec...theres gluten free pizza? :-O”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:47 PM

I agree with that too.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:47 PM

And yes Lucy, and it is glorious

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:48 PM

That one seems to have slipped under the radar

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:48 PM

SOPA and PIPA manifested tremendous outcries

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:48 PM

Now it's back on the chop block without much attention.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:48 PM

And this is how they do it. The quieter it is, the closer to "bigger" issues it is, the easier it is to pass

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:48 PM

LIke the patriot act

Lee Camp · 10:49 PM

It seems to me in the larger picture that the corporate power is moving around any democracy they run into. They smacked into it with SOPA and PIPA, so now they're doing it via the courts and trade deals- two places they dont' need to worry about

Lee Camp · 10:49 PM

democracy.

Lee Camp · 10:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Teresa Ellsworth

“I am working on a festival that includes Native Americans and smart people like Chomsky and funny people like Lee, plus dancing of all types and great music and food and art. This June hopefully.”

Lee Camp · 10:49 PM

Amazing Teresa. Check out Eleanor's music. You should have them too.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:50 PM

Exactly. And interestingly enough, we can learn about it through digital platforms, spread the word and push to fight against it

Lee Camp · 10:50 PM

I know for a fact Chomsky is a huge Rooftop Revolutionaries fan.

Lee Camp · 10:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“they are not going to let that one go.. just like GMOs ...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:50 PM

:) We've emailed back and forth a few times. He has yet to mosh at one of my shows, but there's still time

Lee Camp · 10:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“its people like Lee and Dennis Trainor jr and Katie - that bring these topics to everyone attention.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:51 PM

The link you posted Lee, with Colbert and the "just eat it" box was fantastic.

Lee Camp · 10:51 PM

You mean the Monsanto Jesus?

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:52 PM

LA is also pushing for GMO labeling. March against Monsanto did pretty well here - however, in my opinion, the days of "organized rallies" are coming to an end.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:52 PM

That too but the one with Colbert talking about the vote in WA

Lee Camp · 10:52 PM

I think I read that Monsanto has been taking some hit to their brand name FINALLY

Lee Camp · 10:53 PM

People are becoming wise to that.

Lee Camp · 10:53 PM

And they had to spend $22 million of outside money to defeat GMO labeling in WA state

Lee Camp · 10:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“they will keep slipping it into bills it has nothing to do with until it gets through because no one wants to read through the entire bill thats being voted on (especially senators and representatives)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:53 PM

And more and more farmers markets are opening up. People are boycotting via apps like Buycott. There are definitely movements and actions taking place

Lee Camp · 10:53 PM

I gotta get Buycott! It sounds awesome.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:53 PM

Kind of like NC's abortion law being slipped in with legislation on motorcycle helmets

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:54 PM

Dude! Yes, you do. Download it now

Lee Camp · 10:54 PM

Wait, does the fetus wear the helmet?

Lee Camp · 10:54 PM

Everybody get the Buycott ap - says the almighty Eleanor.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:54 PM

No need to. It's pretty well protected in good ole NC

Lee Camp · 10:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i love my farmers market!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:54 PM

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“That's the trick. To really kick Monsanto in the balls, everyone has to have access to better options. The local produce and better food can't just be in rich neighborhoods.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:55 PM

very true. i'm not sure where you live or how it is there, but I certainly don't live in a rich part of town.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:55 PM

There are two great farmers markets a week here - on Wednesday and Sunday

Lee Camp · 10:55 PM

I'm a big fan of simply making their brandname toxic. I want to get everyone to fear Chevron and Nestle and some of the worst perpetrators.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:56 PM

And they always hand out free samples to homeless and when they close down, give them what they aren't taking back with them

Lee Camp · 10:56 PM

If anyone didn't see my video this week on Chevron, check it out. They suing the victims of their own toxic dumping!

Lee Camp · 10:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Poligags Left-LeaningTs

“Buycott AND VizzBizz - both great apps”

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:56 PM

It is about association.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:56 PM

Yes, check out that MOC - great commentary on the Chevron situation

Lee Camp · 10:56 PM

EG, when does your song on Nestle come out??

Lee Camp · 10:56 PM

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:57 PM

It's kind of like Pavlov's dog. Every time you hear Chevron or Nestle, you should have a gag reflex

Lee Camp · 10:57 PM

[Insert porn joke here]

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:57 PM

Oh come on, don't slack on me - I'm setting it up for you perfectly!

Lee Camp · 10:58 PM

Actually, I once said in a Moment of Clarity that every time I see Nestle I hear children screaming. So that helps me not buy it. Ha.

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:58 PM

There's a question for you Lee - how do you decide what to cover in your MOC? And what to make your jokes about?

Lee Camp · 10:58 PM

I'm lazy!

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

What to cover is getting harder and harder because I only do 2 a week, right now, and I get tons of suggestions plus I have books filled with topics that I can never get to. So it's hard.

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

Basically the world is too fucked up and I can't figure out where to point the flashlight!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:59 PM

So do you just close your eyes, point at a suggestion and run with it?

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

I've been meaning to talk about that Chevron case forever. Finally did it this week.

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“as chef from south park sang "chocolate salty nestle balls...."”

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

No, I try to mix the most important thing with something I have a good "take" on. I don't like covering things that everyone is talking about. So that's why I never did a video on the govt shutdown. It was just overdone. So I try to find the crucial

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

overlooked stuff.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

And people can feel free to recommend topics at LeeCampMail@gmail.com - but like I said, I'm overwhelmed sometimes.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Ha - so email him but don't. He's already overwhelmed ;)

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

How do you decide on songs, Eleanor?

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Do email!

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Just don't feel bad if I can't do it.

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes you can use classical conditioning.. just say Chevron or Nestle and then immediately show someone throwing up after lol”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

I guess mine is slightly less scientific in its approach

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Throwing it back at EG, do you feel like you choose the subjects for your lyrics or do they choose you?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

When I write to music that Brian already has - say a riff or a guitar line, I let it hit me and with all the stories and issues bouncing around in my head, I let the words just flow, stream of conscious style

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

We gotta wrap up in 5 mins, so if you have questions or comments, shoot em now.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

And 9/10, that's how the song starts

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

Katie - I feel often times that they do choose me

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

I can't actually remember sitting down and writing lyrics on a particular subject. I can steer them once a broader topic is touched upon

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

But Save Us, for example

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

I didn't sit down and say I wanted to write a song in a soldier's perspective

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

I highly recommend everybody at least give a listen to Rooftop Revolutionaries and their album Resolute - It's the one with EG covered in chocolate on the cover. (kidding)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

It just hit me. I had recently watched a documentary on the Iraq war and it just hit me

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Can you put up your website Eleanor?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

Ha - that one was only released in Sweden

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Eleanor what would your advise be to those looking to try and add more of an activistic message to their music? anything you would warn them about or encourage them to do? :)”

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Lee - when you next come over to the UK,Bring Rooftop Revolutionaries with you. thanks”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

rooftoprevolutionaries.com

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Rachel - my advice would be to start by researching.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Educate yourself as an activist and as a human being first and then let that flow into your art

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Please everybody when you leave hear consider checking out another Tawk with my friend Katie Klabusich at 7pm tonight "Navigating Obamacare Misconceptions"

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Spencer Vyrostek

“Lee, do you see comedic performance art (ala Rev Billy Talen) as a viable means to promote discussion, or simply as a gimmick?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Artists will write from inside, so fill yourself with the reality around you, fill yourself with what's going on in this world, and let that be a catalyst

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Zach Covey

“Thanks for doing this Eleanor and Lee. Keep updating everyone on all your cool stuff, going on.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

As for warnings, have a thick skin

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

@Spencer - I think it's great!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

I've had some really fucked up comments come out about me and you have to learn to ignore the bulk of them and interact with ones that aren't just blatantly psychotic

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

comedic performance art is a crucial way of gaining attention. Check out what Abbie Hoffman did.

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

And of course theYes Men as well.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

And always, always keep going. Don't get discouraged when it seems overwhelming

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

When it seems like there's too much wrong

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

That means you're on the right track

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

By the way, apparently Rev Billy has been arrested for a protest and they're threatening a year in jail. It's fucking ridiculous! They're trying to criminalize protest.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

Keep digging, keep spreading the truth and the message of change.

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Everybody should sign petitions about Rev Billy,if one has been created.

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

The continued criminalization of protest in this country is one of the scariest things going on.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Thanks Zach - I will for sure. Always updating the FB page: facebook.com/rooftoprevolutionaries, twitter and the site

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Criminalizing protest... don't tell me they aren't trying to control the population.. scary. :/”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Agreed.

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

I'm @LeeCamp on twitter and Facebook.com/LeeCampComedian

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

That's why I feel "organized protests" are not the furture of this movement

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

future

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

I agree

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

oh duh - twitter: @rooftopeleanor and @RooftopRev

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

The "permitted" protest is a thing of past. I'll keep attending them, but we need to move beyond that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Absolutely

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Preaching to the choir

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

Is never going to facilitate the change we need

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“do petitions really work? or is it just another way to get people talking about a topic? its a bit like when you "like" something on facebook...”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

Petitions work on certain things. For example when a single protester is receiving draconian sentencing, if the courts and politicians know that everyone is furious, they will back down.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

Good question and it depends. Petitions obviously don't require legal or legislative action, but they are a barometer for the people's opinion and can move more people to act

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“thanks Eleanor and Lee! this was an inspiring tawk! :)”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

To go further on that - do they sometimes act a release valve, allowing us to get out our anger without doing anything?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

Thank you Rachel - glad you joined in!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

Good point

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

It can do that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

Just like someone going to a rally can make them feel like they've done their activist duties for the year

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

Right

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

The important thing, I think, is not to measure success by petitions signed or rallies attended

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

It's by change achieved

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

agreed

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

Not that you should feel like a total failure if you don't break through corporate chains on your first day

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“I think petitions opposing legislation do more than petitions asking an elected official or group to do something. Like a stop sign that says they won't get reelected or funded in their next campaign.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Don't get discouraged but also don't think that the corporatocracy is scared of a few people in Guy Fawkes masks

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

That is also a good point.

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

What about a Mario Bros mask?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

That goes back to the idea of career politicians, which is yet another example of a broken system

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

Let's see it, Lee

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

Or better yet, the career revolving door between politics and wall street/private corps

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

Exactly.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

Public service then back to the populace, not career politician back to the board room

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I think just talking openly about change is one of the easiest things people ca do to start spreading change... I think those at the top are most scared of us just talking about what is wrong.. then we would start to see the holes”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

Absolutely.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

That's why free speech is no longer free.

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

EG, do you think "vote with your wallet" works? Obviously it could work perfectly, but it rarely seems to gain enough momentum.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

Because it can be used to fight the status quo.

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“voting with your wallet leaves poor people with little say.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

I see a bit of trouble with that concept b/c I don't have much in my wallet

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

That, and there are people who are, for example, fiscally conservative and socially liberal

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

Well, those two things overlap quite a bit

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Actually if every poor person stopped going to walmart, it would say a lot!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

Oh - now I see. In terms of boycotts

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I thought you meant - well, nevermind

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

Yes

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I do.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

Boycotts are a tremendously powerful stance

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

The problem is that media pushes out places like Wal-Mart as the only option

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

Do you think more protest time should be spent on movements like that?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

As opposed to?

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

As opposed to just chanting in the street. You know, more time on "move your money" or more time on let's march outside the bank.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Absolutely. But then again, chanting in the street doesn't do much good anyway

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“what is the other option for poor people?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Besides Wal-Mart?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Ooodles!

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

@sophia - There are options besides walmart.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

I'm poor and I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart since I was about 6

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Education is a big point

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

From there, access, of course.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

And wal-mart doesn't actually save the community money because all the money leaves the community, there are less good-paying jobs. So when taken as whole, walmart makes people poorer!

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

But we don't think in that way. Most people just think "I can save a dollar on shake and bake!!"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

For example, farmers markets

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

Or hell, get your own damn potted plant

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“education is life long thing. you NEVER stop learning”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

Here in LA, there is a homeless shelter just a few blocks away

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

They have nutritional classes, of which I've taught a few as a former personal trainer

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

Of course, slipping in how Wal-Mart is the antithesis of healthy living

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

We should wrap up unfortunately. Maybe we can have Eleanor back soon because the angry mob doesn't seem done with her. So we'll do that.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

Hahaha - Lee's muzzling me ;)

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

CENSORSHIP!!

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Thanks everybody. And feel free to continue chatting with EG on her facebook. I'm sure she won't be too rude.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

Speak for yourself ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

Thank you Lee for this

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

And thanks everyone for their comments and questions.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

And thank you. Keep fighting.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“thanks! awesome tawk! :)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

Absolutely - find me and Rooftop Revolutionaries on Facebook and keep up the work, everyone!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

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Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 5:56 PM

Be wevy wevy qwivet.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 9:53 PM

Can't wait to get this party started!Now...who's for some marshmallow peeps?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 9:57 PM

I just had to take time out for studying for my statistics exam for this... this looks like it should be a fun tawk! :) (Hi Lucy! :) )

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 9:58 PM

hey rachel!!! hows you?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 9:59 PM

I'm good! almost ready for this test.. so I can breathe easier. :)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 9:59 PM

i don't know about Lee "jamming" with eleanor....i dont think a triangle counts,does it?

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 9:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, how long into performing stand-up comedy was it before you were able to talk about social and political issues without losing the crowd (like whenever i try to do it >_<)?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 9:59 PM

triangles count.. lol.. they are an underestimated instrument haha

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:00 PM

@rachel - better a triangle than an organ fnar fnar :-P

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:00 PM

Hi Lee and Eleanor! :)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:00 PM★ Spotlighted

Hey Lee and Eleanor!! two groovy people!

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:00 PM

howdy ^_^

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:01 PM

ooo fight fight!! go Eleanor!!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:01 PM★ Spotlighted

all the best people disturb the peace. ;)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:02 PM

shall we tawk amongst ourselves?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:03 PM

beautifully stated, eleanor!

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:03 PM

do you guys think music and comedy mix well? like,comedy music albums and the like. or should they be separate?

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:04 PM★ Spotlighted

gotta be careful, prolonged exposure to small amounts of arsenic will make you immune ~_^ thanks you guys.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:05 PM★ Spotlighted

i think whatever the style of music,or whatever is being sung...for me,if its a good tune,you can kinda sing along with it,you'll hold the crowd.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:05 PM

dick jokes are ALWAYS funny haha

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:05 PM★ Spotlighted

When will more artists realize and wake up to the rotten abuse of copyright laws?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:06 PM★ Spotlighted

@Jakob all those copyright laws and the history of them made me rethink going into the music business...

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:06 PM★ Spotlighted

that arrogance shows thru in your music,Eleanor. which by the way is bloody awesome!

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:07 PM

most good musicians (or entertainers) are on the arrogant side! if you can deliver, it's ok to be cocky!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:07 PM★ Spotlighted

arrogant? or just confident in who you are? ;)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:08 PM

god yeah,ive been to enough gigs to know when a group is or comedian is dying on their arse!

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:09 PM

This tawk format is more confusing than useful. Soz

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:09 PM

@Lucy that is painful to watch someone flounder... :/ I mean if anything they have the courage to get up there.. not many people can do that

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:09 PM

@jakob - dont worry,you'll get used to it :-)

Trip HilikusNov 7, 2013, 10:10 PM★ Spotlighted

The difference between arrogance and confidence is the ability to perform.

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:10 PM

It feels like a messy GUI version of what would be done with two channels in IRC

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:10 PM

yes Lee,remember its not what you have,its what you do with it.

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:11 PM

Arrogance has connotations of irritability

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:11 PM★ Spotlighted

EG -- Does the size of the crowd affect your ability to communicate the political message from stage?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:12 PM

ew!

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:12 PM

@Katie - well,you gotta have a big enough voice to project what you want,no matter the size of crowd.

Keith PilgreenNov 7, 2013, 10:12 PM

Is anybody out there, Just nod if you can hear me, Is there anyone at home?

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:12 PM★ Spotlighted

don't start twerking please!

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:13 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, you were thinking of ANYONE else.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:13 PM

haha!

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:13 PM

doh, she beat me to it ~_^

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:14 PM

Lee Camp Twerking? That would get views on YT

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:14 PM★ Spotlighted

what is the age group you'd say "gets it" the most?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:14 PM★ Spotlighted

Now on my list of things I NEVER want to see: Lee twerking

Keith PilgreenNov 7, 2013, 10:14 PM

This is my first time using this and I am lost. lol I am a Neeb

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:14 PM

altho twerking before an MOC could prove a useful selling tool.... :-P

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:15 PM

@Lee - pictures AND video or is lying!!

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:15 PM★ Spotlighted

Gotcha. Most HOB venues feel more intimate than they are. Feedback would seem easier at a smaller gig.

Keith PilgreenNov 7, 2013, 10:16 PM

Sorrynoob

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:16 PM

lol! I *totally* believe that...

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:17 PM

Long winded = welcome. :) At least the rock crowds have your music seeping into their brains, even if you aren't able to add to it between songs.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:17 PM

i have to agree, its older folks. makes me wonder what's going so wrong with our "kids these days" and what to do about it. how DO you fight all the twerking and tongues?

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:18 PM

On "not preaching to the choir": we find our best material comes from the "other side"...

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:18 PM

i know this has been done with Lee's work,but,Eleanor, would you work a song around one of Lee's MOC's? if yes,which one?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:18 PM

how do you make it "cool" again?

Keith PilgreenNov 7, 2013, 10:19 PM

Cigar=turd

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:19 PM

I think everyone knows what a cigar represents then.

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:19 PM

This my first ever tawk, and I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have it with than Lee Camp. Fucking rad.

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:19 PM

Jean Genet used to say "I have a cigar at my lips" when talking about no 2s

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

Cigerette versus cigar.. thats is racism of some sort.

Keith PilgreenNov 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

Protesting needs to be cool.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

and there ladies and gents,is the dick joke for the eveing

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

of course its more powerfull. how do we get there, though?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:21 PM★ Spotlighted

i agree the arts are the best medium to get people thinking and talking

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:21 PM

i would come see you if you came near detroit, lee. and i go to phish shows when i can. thats pretty much all i can afford other then super local small shows.

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

A creche would help me no end ...

Jakob MadsenNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

FYI here in dk often artists do illegal gigs in the streets.. would this not be a way forward?

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

I think you guys are spot on, we need to make politics and protesting cool again. You're lame if you don't know what bill is in front of the house this week.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

i would go if they were closer and cheaper lol

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

for comedy,the person has to make me laugh,and political stance is something that would grow on me

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

Try to squeeze in a lot of live shows, prefer that over albums or straight videos.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

same goes for music too.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

Mainly, when artists i like come near me, ill see em live. but Im old school like that

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

I love something that is going to make me laugh out loud for comedy and keep laughing. for music I love meaningful lyrics

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

AMEN ELEANOR! front row is the BEST!

Trip HilikusNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

I would attend more rock and comedy shows if I could afford to spend money on something other than rent and food.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM★ Spotlighted

altho i have to say,i much prefer a band who can actually sing and play their own instruments.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

especially if you're 5 feet tall! its the only time you can SEE

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

I've been to many rock shows but never a comedy show. I'd go if more comedians toured my area - saratoga, ny

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

theres nothing quite like the synergy between audience and performer. you just cant capture that on video

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM

Yeah live music is loud and it has that immediacy of analogue - you see the strings stuck and BWOWOWOWOWOWOW - it hits ya!

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:25 PM

dont get me started on ticket price. why oh why make them so expensive that you basically price out the "potential" fans? makes no sense

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:25 PM

I personally think anyone that is going to take the stage in front of people is making themselves vulnerable, and thats what we all tap in to. Somebody lowing their defenses and outpouring raw emotion, regardless of what that emotion is.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:25 PM

have you considered "live streaming" the shows and charginf a small fee to log in? idk how hard it is, but..something to look in to?

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:25 PM

we all tap in and vibe together when the barriers are lowered and we

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:25 PM★ Spotlighted

The two drink minimum standard is cost prohibitive for a lot of people with comedy. And even if a venue doesn't have that, people assume they do. I worked at a jazz club w/a minimum and it was just a way to rip off patrons. It's really gotta go.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:26 PM

people thought recorded music would destroy the music industry when the phonograph was introduced. just gotta find the new paradigm and shift to it

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:26 PM★ Spotlighted

Money and art have always been strange bedfellows me thinks

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:26 PM

@Lee Camp I don't see giving away free music as a bad thing, from a fan's perspective, but you shouldn't do it all the time.

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:26 PM

I always wait to get to a show to buy a band's merch...never know who might be manning the table!

Samuel SquiresNov 7, 2013, 10:27 PM

What do you guys think of the interview russel brand just gave on bbc?

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:28 PM

I think its okay to charge for live music/comedy etc - in this digital gae its so easy to get stuff for free so I think 'the real deal' should cost

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:29 PM

It is refreshing to hear entertainers such as you two say that you think it is unfair to charge people so much.. very refreshing! especially in the entertainment industry! and I agree free everything and trade! :)

Kevin StreetNov 7, 2013, 10:29 PM★ Spotlighted

A society centered around the artist's pen!

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:29 PM

when you go to a huge venue,you are basically paying the brand thats on that venue - e.g O2. Playing in a small venue is not only cheap but its more intimate and can have a way better atmosphere

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM★ Spotlighted

probably one of the best nights ive had recently was Lee's gig i went to in may.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

can it be both?

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

trading is difficult to do with art. goods and services yea, but ever try and trade a one-liner for some toilet paper?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM★ Spotlighted

capitalism is flawed

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

and it wasnt just cos of who was on

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

We agree that the art - whatever it is - has to be accessible to the people, but the artist has to survive. How do you two strike that balance?

Kevin StreetNov 7, 2013, 10:31 PM★ Spotlighted

Farming space rocks!

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:31 PM

greed is learned and can be unlearned.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:31 PM

I think it's flawed because it rewards the immoral and unjust. ... that is not the society we should be striving for.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:31 PM

greed corrupts any system it enters. how do we fight greed?

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:31 PM★ Spotlighted

We also don't actually have capitalism the way libertarians worship it. We have a system of corporate subsidies and loopholes for the already "successful" and rich. There isn't actually competition, just the illusion of competition.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:32 PM

but...but..."greed is good"..so gordan gekko says

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM

really they should judge the best candidates by how well their citizens are taken care of; healthcare, education, housing etc...

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM

how can you be for a democracy and the rights of the minority when in a democracy the minority always loses?

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM

What's with the police killing everybody? We just had a guy with a shovel killed by police in Burlington VT.

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM

@LeeCamp What is your opinion on Wolf PAC?

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

@rachel - how about a Congress's Got Talent?

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

or senate's got talent? hehe

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

@lucy shoot me in the head now lol

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

ive always thought that if somebody wants to run for an office, thats reason enough to not let them. the person who wants it the least should be stuck with it, cause they are prolly the most qualified

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

The brightest lights get most of our attention - is just basic human dumbness

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

tap dancing officials lol

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM

"i'm a senator,get me out of here!"....

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM

@ Lucy or how about checking IQ before swearing in?

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM

"Politics is Hollywood for ugly people"

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM

or "politics is the entertainment industry for business" - Zappa

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM★ Spotlighted

we can all do our part towrds a better way of life. no matter what that is,no matter how big or small. we all have a part to play.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM

they are people, after all. hang em!

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Corporations used to have built-in expiration dates.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:36 PM

the execution could be some lucky winner getting to push the button for the demolition of the corporate office building? I like that

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:36 PM

yeah hang the corporations up by the goolies! show em no mercy!

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:37 PM

you're only dancing on this earth for a short while

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:38 PM★ Spotlighted

Your comedy helped ME see things differently Lee. I say it can totally change people's perceptions.. but they must be open to changing their perceptions.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:38 PM

I think when people go to a show for comedy (or music) they go in with an open mind. they are there for a new experience. you might not change their mind, but you certainly made them use it ~_^

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:38 PM

You'd have to put a fainting couch on stage.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:39 PM★ Spotlighted

if you can change just one persons mind when they are at your gig - be it a comedy gig or a music one - then THAT person will more than likely tell their friends and so on

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:39 PM

Music and comedy can *definitely* have an impact because, for the most part, they are non-confrontational art forms.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:39 PM

i've always said,those that dont even realise they are changing people's minds,are the ones to listen to

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:40 PM

i only speak the truth. :) but pop culture really does change everything.. but I think we are living in that change so we don't see it. I mean take the Beatles Revolution for instance of Bob Dylan's music during the civil rights movement..

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:40 PM★ Spotlighted

the arts have always been at the center of change

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:41 PM

for sure but tit seems the frontiers of cool are the domains of brands these daze

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:41 PM

haha yes NSA burn. :)

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:41 PM★ Spotlighted

ahh, but does art reflect societies ideas, or is society reflecting the artists ideas?

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:42 PM

I do suspect however that mostly you are just preaching to the choir

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:42 PM

spencer, the answer is yes. chicken or egg on that one, love!

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:43 PM

I think the art --> society --> art --> society thing can be a big circle jerk. There are people in there trying to break out and do something different, but they reinforce each other.

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:43 PM

art has often been called societies barometer - whatever that means

Jason AndrewsNov 7, 2013, 10:44 PM

Silence doesn't necessarily mean you condone

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:44 PM

will he be ABLE to do what he says?

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:44 PM

I would go to more rock shows if they had dance music.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:44 PM

probably not

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:44 PM★ Spotlighted

good point on Occupy, Lee.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:45 PM

heh, i did. Occupy changed the dialogue in the country, something we desperatly needed. people were afraid to talk about issues for fear of pissing people off. now they realize they arent the only ones with these thoughts and opinions.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:45 PM

has a campaign slogan ever been more than 4 words long? a winning one i mean....doesnt that say more about the general public than it does the slogan?

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:46 PM

@Lee. Do you think Occupy became too mainstream, for its own good?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:46 PM

i'm more worried about hair free pizza. l-cystiene, anyone? blech!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:47 PM

gluten free pizza is a godsend! agreed! :)

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:47 PM

i love gluten. i eat buckets of it

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:47 PM★ Spotlighted

hold up one sec...theres gluten free pizza? :-O

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:48 PM

damn i need to get me some

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:48 PM★ Spotlighted

I am working on a festival that includes Native Americans and smart people like Chomsky and funny people like Lee, plus dancing of all types and great music and food and art. This June hopefully.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:49 PM

SOPA and PIPA. sounds like kate middletons ugly stepsisters to me.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:49 PM★ Spotlighted

they are not going to let that one go.. just like GMOs ...

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:49 PM★ Spotlighted

its people like Lee and Dennis Trainor jr and Katie - that bring these topics to everyone attention.

Julia RansomNov 7, 2013, 10:50 PM

Teresa, where is this Native American festival?

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:50 PM

https://www.facebook.com/events/297214460420881/

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:51 PM★ Spotlighted

they will keep slipping it into bills it has nothing to do with until it gets through because no one wants to read through the entire bill thats being voted on (especially senators and representatives)

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

The Monsanto Jesus was HILARIOUS.

Teresa EllsworthNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

Buy local, it's pretty easy and a lot of the things can be bartered.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

i wish we had programs like the colbert report or the daily show here in the UK. closest we get is mock the week or have i got news for you

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

@Spencer: because THOSE are the people we want in charge.. can't even be bothered to do their one job while the rest of us must have 3 jobs..

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

Monsanto and Syngenta will kill us all...

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

Unfortunately our politicians are paid by the GMO industry, so I see this as a never ending cycle.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:54 PM★ Spotlighted

i love my farmers market!

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 10:54 PM★ Spotlighted

That's the trick. To really kick Monsanto in the balls, everyone has to have access to better options. The local produce and better food can't just be in rich neighborhoods.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:54 PM

only if the abourtion is going faster than 25 mph

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:54 PM

Washington has yet to count the mail-in ballots. The "fat lady" hasn't sung yet!

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:55 PM

in detroit, there is Eastern Market. Many booths take SNAP and double up!

Poligags Left-LeaningTsNov 7, 2013, 10:55 PM★ Spotlighted

Buycott AND VizzBizz - both great apps

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:55 PM

that's the sick thing Monsanto preys on the poor people..

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:56 PM

you'd think where i live being an island with fields everywhere,there would be plenty of farmers markets,fresh local produce in the shops etc. But no. nothing.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:57 PM

@Lucy that's too bad, I have been trying to eat mostly organic lately and it is a challenge.

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 10:57 PM

Doesn't Chevron have enough fucking money? Oh yeah don't forget THEY caused the mess!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:57 PM

all logic has left the legal system.. if there was any to begin with.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:57 PM

already done it,Lee....erm...

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:58 PM

EFF NESTLE....*grumble grumble water thieving bastards*

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:58 PM★ Spotlighted

yes you can use classical conditioning.. just say Chevron or Nestle and then immediately show someone throwing up after lol

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:58 PM★ Spotlighted

as chef from south park sang "chocolate salty nestle balls...."

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 10:58 PM

which sucks because i LOVE chocolate :-(

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 10:58 PM

@Rachel the Clockwork effect

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 10:59 PM

fuck are you lazy,Lee!! dont lie!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 10:59 PM

yes Lee is the laziest person ever (massive sarcasm here) lol

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:01 PM

usually the "big story" is a distraction, anyway

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

Throwing it back at EG, do you feel like you choose the subjects for your lyrics or do they choose you?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:03 PM

just thanks and keep it up!!

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor what would your advise be to those looking to try and add more of an activistic message to their music? anything you would warn them about or encourage them to do? :)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - when you next come over to the UK,Bring Rooftop Revolutionaries with you. thanks

Zach CoveyNov 7, 2013, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Thanks for doing this Eleanor and Lee. Keep updating everyone on all your cool stuff, going on.

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, do you see comedic performance art (ala Rev Billy Talen) as a viable means to promote discussion, or simply as a gimmick?

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 11:04 PM

I was about to ask how you got the chocolate out of your hair.

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:06 PM

Wow, I just found the scroll buttons ....

Kevin StreetNov 7, 2013, 11:06 PM

Imaginations bleeding creation of what never was, manifestations of experience blended through the gauntlet of our minds eye.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:06 PM

thank you! :) I need to work on my thick skin. lol

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

exactly,you may not always agree with whats been done BUT it does get you talking

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

LOVE the Yes Men, great (in)direct action concept ^_^

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

The Yes Men have it perfected. So, Lee, you'll yell about it if Rooftop Revolutionaries makes it to NYC, correct?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

lee, you make me laugh more then anyone else )who's still alive)! thank you so much for that! Eleanor, keep rocking, please! would love to see you both in michigan! peace out everyone!

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 11:08 PM

I know, I usually dont worry when hes arrested, but this one seems serious >_<

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

Criminalizing protest... don't tell me they aren't trying to control the population.. scary. :/

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

do petitions really work? or is it just another way to get people talking about a topic? its a bit like when you "like" something on facebook...

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:09 PM

then what are we to do? (that might be a question for another time)

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:10 PM

Lee, there's nothing sad about "older" people getting things! When I was younger, it was the "younger" folk who got things ... maybe it's generational because, doesn't that mean it was always my age group that "got it"?! Just a thought ...

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

thanks Eleanor and Lee! this was an inspiring tawk! :)

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:12 PM

comedy can do that, too, lee. doesnt mean you should stop voicing your opinion.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:12 PM

sometimes they do. it can make you realise that theres more going on than you realised

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:12 PM

so can music

Katie KlabusichNov 7, 2013, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

I think petitions opposing legislation do more than petitions asking an elected official or group to do something. Like a stop sign that says they won't get reelected or funded in their next campaign.

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:13 PM

Maybe protests now have to have a party element to them to attract younger folk?

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

I think just talking openly about change is one of the easiest things people ca do to start spreading change... I think those at the top are most scared of us just talking about what is wrong.. then we would start to see the holes

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:14 PM

oh no...*cloeses eyes*...

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:14 PM

bingo

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:15 PM

I go to things in small venues. I don't like crowds much.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

voting with your wallet leaves poor people with little say.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:17 PM

not everyone has a farmers market, or can get to one..walmart is cheap. poor people NEED cheap.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:17 PM

you know that saying "hell on earth"? thats Wal-mart...

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:18 PM

ooo now there's an idea right there for some art! :-O i'm a freakin genius!!

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:18 PM

how do you get poeple to boycott something they have no alternative for?

Spencer VyrostekNov 7, 2013, 11:18 PM

i dont buy into the vote with your wallet thing. that leaves the rich with like.....a literal fuckton more votes to spend.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:18 PM

people

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:19 PM

@Sophia yes that is the most awful thing... the poor are the ones who are paying the WORST. :/

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

what is the other option for poor people?

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:20 PM

or the lowest cost whatever

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:20 PM

using your voice,sophie. using your time to go to protests,or sit-ins or phoning your local senator or whatever...

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

grow your own food if you can! :)

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

If you tell Walmart shoppers to stop shopping at Walmart, they look at you like you're crazy.

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

i'm not poor because i spent way more on food then i need to and i have a tad leftover after bills. y sister lives in a rural area. all they have is walmart.

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

education is life long thing. you NEVER stop learning

kimba kradelNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

People who shop at Walmart don't "get" it.

Wendy MiddletonNov 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

Walmart's prices have driven out most of the competition in our town and with wages as low as they are now they're one of the only buying options for the poor... though we are seeing a little more of an emergence of local farmers selling their goods.

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:22 PM

@Lucy that should be the tawkers motto ;)

Sophia BelitaNov 7, 2013, 11:22 PM

some people cant.

T DarnellNov 7, 2013, 11:23 PM

great stuff

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:24 PM

one movement I saw was people planting food in those areas by the sidewalks where weeds or just grass grows in rural areas - such a simple idea and would help SO MANY people. but it is a form of protest, but comeon food is a human right!

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:24 PM

Eleanor is Lee with balls! :-P

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:24 PM

btw thats no muzzle....:-O

Rachel McDonnellNov 7, 2013, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

thanks! awesome tawk! :)

Lucy DyerNov 7, 2013, 11:25 PM

cheers you two cheeky funksters! aweosme tawk. :-)

Wendy MiddletonNov 7, 2013, 11:25 PM

Keep fighting.

Wendy MiddletonNov 7, 2013, 11:26 PM

I find it funny how the political things I post on Facebook get so little reaction over the silly stuff.

Marcia TruthSeekerNov 7, 2013, 11:53 PM

I guess I missed it......bummer!!! :/