Eleanor Goldfield

SCOTUS: Women aren't people

Jul 8, 2014

Lee Camp
Stage· 284 messages
Jul 8, 2014

Activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp discuss the recent SCOTUS decision in favor of Hobby Lobby - defending corporations' religious beliefs but not women's human rights. nAnd the religious and socio-political implications of the decision.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey folks, thanks for coming. What's up?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us! Please say hi to the host, Lee
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

I don't think i can be a co-host since i'm not actually a person...
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Crazy shit at the supreme court this month!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

women aren't people....so are you in fact saying women are corporations ....the plot thickens

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Hello you two :-)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

El, have you considered incorporating?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Hey Barry and Lucy
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Hmmmm...if I incorporate, am I a person or just a half person?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

YOU SHOULD ELEANOR...THINK OF THE TAX BREAKS

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Think of the lack of responsibility for your actions!!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Quick note - can everybody PLEASE tell people to come join us? Just post it on your facebook, your vine, and your google plus... JUST KIDDING! No one's on google plus.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

If only men could get pregnant....

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Well geez - where were you guys years ago when I was doing my taxes like the average non-person?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

So, Eleanor, I've heard people arguing that Hobby Lobby actually only didn't want to pay for certain forms of birth control that they view as abortion and that they should be allowed to have the freedom to do that. Thoughts?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Id lease myself out if there were tax breaks.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

HA GOOGLE PLUS SUCKS ASS

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Viagra is covered. Vasectomies: covered.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Jen - viagra makes the world go round. I can't believe you would act upset about that. Erections are more important that women's rights.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Bob Lambrecht

Two more women of the Supreme Court would help

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

God damnit - internet issues
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

El - Walk towards the light!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

sorry, i dont mean to hijack the current discussion, but did you guys here? NY legalized MJ for medical use!!! http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/health/new-york-medical-marijuana/index.html

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

Michael - Yes, NY just did that. Very excited.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

wait - i thought i wasn't supposed to walk towards the light
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

So men are covered but women aren't? What complete and utter bollocks! Cover for all or not at all.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

I know a lot of people who have sudden back aches the moment they heard the news.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

El - Avoid the light!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

There's almost no way to discuss the ruling against contraception coverage because it's so backwards and ridiculous.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

Jen - Give your take, if you want.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

in washington state - isn't it legal for even recreational use?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@Lucy - that's the issue. Whether you're pro abortion or not does not give you the right to inflict that on other people. I'm not pro-breast implants but I'm not gonna stop ppl from getting them
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

Yes, in Colorado and WA it's fully legal.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

and that doesn't even have anything to do with your health!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Crime is down and tax revenue is way up.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Lee - EG is not a moth.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

She prefers not to be called "egg"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

online or offline I am always late, hi everyone! :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

Hey Rachel and Michael and others!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I am going to roll a spliff -- a big fatty spliff that's busting at the seams -- then listen to a song by Marley

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

For those late to the party - we seem to be celebrating medicinal pot in NY
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

The Hobby Lobby thing is f&*ked - just another way to control women it's so blatant

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

"Excuse me while I light my spliff, Good God I gotta take a lift, From reality I just cant drift, That's why I'm staying with this riff"

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

@occupy - in a decision made by men
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

@Occupy - I think it's more accurately a step deeper into full corporate "freedom" and full religious "freedom" but of course corporations should not be humans.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

I'm a mom. I have 4 sons. I could never get an abortion or take an abortion pill. That's ME. I have no right to impose my beliefs or desires on anyone else. How do some people not understand that?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

wohoo I'll celebrate that! ;)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

@Jen, very well put. I know several people who would never get an abortion
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

I have no right to argue with that choice just as they have no right to argue with mine.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

I find it mind boggling that we can regulate vaginas but not guns
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

yea - that figures because old white men in suits know so much about what women should be doing with their bodies

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

It's not just controlling women - it's also pushing religion. And actually, it's only controlling women who allow themselves to controlled - I really doubt that women like myself or Eleanor will be going to work at Hobby Lobby any time soon.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

Semi-automatic assault vaginas can cause a lot of havoc. Too many kids!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Eleanor - we shouldn't be regulating anything ; )

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

you should kimba..break them from the inside

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Separate religion and state.....

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@kimba, very true. but i'm fortunate enough to not have to. there are women who work at wal-mart for example - not bc they want to but bc they need a job desperately
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Open Carry Your Uterus

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Jen - always do
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

There's a new report that "DIY" abortions are becoming more common than going to an official abortion provider in the gulf coast area.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

it's hard enough to get a job in this economy. if you have to also consider where you can even look for work based on whether you'd be allowed to control your body
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

fucking hell
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

@Lee - I've heard that too
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Vaginas don't kill people, guns kill people.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

truth of the matter is that there's no such thing as NO abortions, only such a thing as safe abortions
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

"You can have my vagina when you pry it from my cold dead hands."
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I hate how peeps think that Plan B or EC's are abortifacients. They are not people!! It's just a globular collection of sperm and egg at that point sigh.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I know Eleanor - it's just ... just ... I've been unemployed forever and wouldn't take a job at Hobby Lobby or Wal-Mart if they offered it. I wish more people would stand up that way.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

thats mental lee ...back yard operators will end up killing some woman

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

except for that guy in germany who almost got swallowed by the giant va JJ

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Stop working for assholes!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

@kimba - agree. we need to make sure that getting a job at places like hobby lobby or wal-mart isn't even an option
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

occupy...lol i seen that story ..american exchange student climbed into it for a bet ..then the fire brigade had to free him

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

some people have no choice but to work for asshats. The economy sucks with or without degrees

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

It's true. Some people end up working places they hate.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I mean, shouldn't that be the mass protest by women at this point? Just stop going to work, stop paying the bills, just stop! (I know very well what the response to this is going to be, so I shall duck as I hit the "Tawk" button).

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

I demanded that women stand up on one of my comedy albums. I said something like, "You can't leave it for men to run the world! We'll set fire to it and then fuck it, even if we're burning our crotch as we go!"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

A study in 06 was done which found unwanted pregnancies cost us 12 billion. If EC's were covered, we'd save money! It's only a few billion.. meanwhile Goldman Nutsacks are gettting a cool 70 billion to stay solvent, sigh.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

@kimba - what I don't get is why some women actually back these rulings and religions that blatantly discriminate against them, stockholm syndrome? :p

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Rachel - when I was in school in NC, there were women that just blatantly said "women shouldn't be in leadership positions"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

it's like punching yourself in the face, why?? and these people have children and raise women of their own.. that should be a crime :/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

yep
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

lee ...are you claiming that if us guys are left alone fo>>> shit my couch is on fire !!!!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

Well, Americans are phenomenally good at voting against our own interests. That's how so many people agree with this Supreme Court ruling.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

and then there's the lobbiests, politicians, and corporate leaders - I think they all get the same training.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

yea lee that happens all the time. with technology there seems to be 2 classes of jobs - the mundane boring jobs that suck the neurons out of your brain and the techy ones that require specific technological training

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

while i don't think that having a vagina makes you a better ruler, i do think it's time we gave it a shot. but first, we have to get our brains out of the fucking middle ages - and that goes for men and women
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Women who think that these kinds of rulings are good for them or are good for the country have been brainwashed by religion or their families or their communities to think that mental abuse is ok.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

I desperately think we need more women leaders, and elected officials, and at the same time I don't think Hillary will change a single thing. She's gotten to where she is by doing exactly as the war hawks do.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

There is nothing wrong with refusing to do things you are morally opposed to. What is wrong is forcing people who are morally opposed to things, to do them. HL pays their full timers 14/hr. No complaints here.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

@kimba - exactly. they hate themselves, their bodies.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

@Lee - I agree.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

Parliaments with a higher percentage of women tend to be far more diplomatic
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

no eleanor but there is less chance of getting a vagina stuck in the zipper

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

oh my goodness, to all those poor people who think Hilary will change anything :/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

@barry - you may be right there
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Lee - we need more independent women who would create policy from the heart, rather than imitating men.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@rachel - seriously. it's embarrassing
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

Elizabeth Warren seems to be a good example.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I love Elizabeth Warren.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

It really is Eleanor, I learned my lesson with Obama

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

the only congress person in the entire senate and house to vote against war in Afghanistan following 9/11 was a woman.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

hillary clinton is only a pawn in the game of douchbaggery ...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Hillary is more of the same. There is no one in the prospective 2016 presidential race that will shift our system
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

There was a quote I just heard somewhere, "Men are afraid to let women rule, because they think we would rule them like they have ruled us; which shows they know the wrong they do."

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Why don't we see women standing up more? Or do we?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

We need a complete overhaul of our gov't, not just an open minded President.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Lee - she was my rep! Barbara Lee!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

I actually had this conversation with a gay rights activist in New York last week
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

gay rights activists are loud as fuck. women, not so much
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

women who stand up for anything controversial get attacked from all sides and in the cruelest of ways...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

it seems that since the feminist movement in the last century, feminism and standing up for womens rights is almost seen as a negative
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Women used to be, and then they started working and shut up.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Warren is amazing when it comes to criticizing Wall St. She has some epic rants in Congressional sessions.. but she is pro-Israel on just about every issue.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

I know several women who don't like to be called or considered feminists because they view it as exreme
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

You know, women are more religious than men in almost every society, and women are equally divided on abortion. It is dishonest to pretend to speak for all women when attacking those viewpoints.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

@Warneke - Who said they speak for all women?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

i love marriane williamson. her july 4th message was amazing, for those who follow her on FB.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

agree Michael
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Michael - I love Marianne too!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

I think women ARE standing up more and there is a reactive backlash against it. It's temporary. It's a death rattle.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

that is another big issue the negative stereotype of "feminism"

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

I'm more religious than men?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Yes, and not just the negative connotation of "feminism" but the co-opting of the term by right-wing nut jobs.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

yes many pple equate feminism to hating men

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Watching Palin say she's a feminist is ridiculous.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Can I give a HUGE shout out to Kate Klabusich. She is just amazing getting the word out on women's issues.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

ew, that makes my ovaries clench up
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

the palin comment, not katie. she's rad
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

stella thats very controversial ...im gunna have to have a powwow with jesus about that

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Zolan Machado

I feel like a lot of people (mainly men) feel like feminism means female supremacy.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Yeah, I don't see Palin as a feminist. I see here as an asshat.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

@zolan, exactly. and unfortunately a lot of women believe that too
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

@Zolan - Female supremacy is a real problem, all their marches and manifestos, really taking over the world.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Marriane Williamson said on July 4th:

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

feminism is basically equality

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

I'm a feminist because I love men and don't want them living in an oppressive society, either.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Feminism is about being equally empowered and honest about self.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

Barry, please let me know the results of the Jesus pow wow. I need to know how I should behave within certain religious constraints.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

conscious Americans look at both sides of America and accept responsibility for both.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

@Jen - I like that - "I don't want men living in an oppressive society either"
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

My ears were burning and I hear someone ask why women aren't standing up. If you think we aren't, you aren't paying attention.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

@Katie - where can people hear more and see more about women standing up?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

Turn on a TV, radio, Twitter, Facebook....

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I stand up in my everyday life. I call people out on stuff every day. I really try to walk my talk

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

If you aren't finding ways to engage in feminist activism, you are actively not looking for it.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

If every woman could say that - we'd be on the right path.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

I haven't turned on a TV in years but I know that it's pretty easy to find ways to be an activist but it's still helpful for experts in the field to give suggestions and advice on where to go, who to watch, follow, etc.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

Women are standing up in many places. Visit "My Stealthy Freedom"- Facebook page. Iranian women ditching the hijab in public.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I think we stand up, it is just whether or not we are listened to or taken seriously

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

you can stand up for feminism almost every hour in this country, look at how we talk and put down the female gender without even consciously knowing it sometimes

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Yeah, but in terms of mass protest, I don't think it's any more lacking for women than it is for our society as a whole.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

I don't know how to reply to things directly, but when you use say "women should do this" or "women are fighting back", it tends to leave that impression.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

You don't know sexism until you've worked in the tech industry.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@kimba - true indeed. and the music industry - christ on a crutch
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

I point things out when I notice them but, more importantly, I call myself out when I catch myself unconsciously adding to the problem. If everyone did this...

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

Additionally -- every industry. Oh, hi, media! Alright -- feminist activism to get back to. I just had to chime in on "why aren't women being more active."

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

during occupy there was a big contentious issue about feminism vs humanism I think many people don't really understand what feminism is

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Anyone want to know what it feels like to be told to "Behave." while on the job?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

@Jen me too I will hear myself say something that in society is generally accepted and then think, "wait, that is putting women down or into a certain box, I will no longer say that." Changing our minds about ourselves is the first step :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Being an activist is sometimes just about being aware.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

In terms of women standing up or not standing up, there are a lot of women who aren't standing up on these issues - I can point some out just in a two block radius
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

not to mention the south eastern US
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

Jen - very true, until we're all aware, these problems won't be solved.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

it is unlike the LGBT movement in that way - very few gays are anti-gay rights but there are women who are anti-womens rights, and openly so
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I think women think of feminism as "unattractive" sometimes, like oh that guy won't like me if I don't agree with everything, fuck that, the dude ain't worth it then :p

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

amen rachel
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Eleanor - very true. How do we fix that?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

education is key. and while I agree with katie in saying that there is information out there everywhere, people don't actively seek it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

especially if they're already indoctrinated to believe the opposite
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

El -- I wonder if that is because it has lost its steam from the sixties and seventies. perhaps we need a new term, other than feminism??

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Again, I say, as a woman, WALK YOUR TALK. That is the biggest and best way to make society see the light.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Here's the catch 22: you have to be kind when calling out sexism. Most people are just parroting. No one ever learns or changes their mind from being attacked.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

anti-feminism is built in to every part of our culture

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

@kimba - women absolutely need to be role models for girls and boys.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

i don't know that there's a singular way to "fix" the problem
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

How much of this "stay in your place" idea comes from religion you think?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

but we need to first address it and not just think that we're in the clear because there are women out there protesting
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

young women still have to feel "pretty" and still compare themselves to photoshopped pics of celebrities

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

@Lee - religion is essentially anti-woman
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

No, you do not have to be kind to call out sexism - you have to be non-violent, but kind? No. Be REAL.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

not all religions but the ones most americans practice
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Lee - I think a lot does - but a lot is the education system - we're moving backwards, that's obvious.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

El - That sounds about right.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

@kimba - lack of education plus a rise in religious zeal...yeah, that's a vicious fucking cocktail
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

So does the increase in atheism mean an increase in women's rights?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

I think the 'stay in your place' thing is perpetuated by religion (or a misunderstanding if religion) but the real problem is fear. Personal fear.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

I see a rise in atheism as a social evolution on the whole
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

If you are graduating high school and are still a sexist asshat eighteen year old, our educational system has failed.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

a rise in women's rights, minority rights, education, critical thinking, all of that
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

eleanor ...thats hard when tv is full of dopey cows on tv promoting stupidity ...how can young girls look up to those morons and say ...yep thats for me

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

turn off the tv, barry
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

mainstream corporate media is just bullshit - it's marketing to sell us stuff make us feel crappy about ourselves so we go out and buy products tha make us feel better

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

i wasn't allowed to watch tv as a kid and now i want to send both my parents care packages just as a thank you
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Atheism is thinking for yourself. Misogyny is the opposite. I think they're related in that way mostly.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

until TV represents a progression in our species, we should turn it off for all our sakes, not just little girls
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

A few years ago there was a big thing over promoting the "larger" sized women. Don't see it now. Just more stick thin women who are promoted as the in thing.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

A rise in personal responsibility will alleviate this and many other phenomena. Stop letting people hide behind the skirts of religion to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

@M, absolutely. religion allows for this misogyny and backwards thinking to prevail under the guise of god's will
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

well, fuck god - he's an asshole
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

M Stella - Yeah, but "personal responsibility" is a buzz word for the far right-wing crowd. It's designed to make us ignore the societal forces that are crushing black people, crushing some women, crushing immigrants, etc.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

oh you were lucky eleanor. TV was my babysitter. It wasn't really till the www that I started to become more aware.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Be careful Eleanor, calling God and asshole is calling yourself an asshole!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

El - Don't fuck him. He's an asshole. Why would you do that for him?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

@kimba - no. there is no god so really i'm just calling nothing an asshole
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

The big void is an asshole!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

hahaha - the big void is the big void. as an existentialist, we make it whatever we make it, and right now humans could do a lot better. how about some humanism?! seriously
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

but now i'm getting into philosophy :)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Worshipping god is no different to worshipping a pop star or film star. Except maybe the pop/film star is real.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

While none of this is neccisarily true, it does wonder to take a simple thing everyone can agree on, equality, and turn it into a divisive buzz-word. The right are geniuses are making everything controversial.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

@D - the right are damn good marketers.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

ooops the big electron i mean

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

To be honest, the whole sexism thing just makes me so angry - mostly because I thought we (women) had surmounted the issue. For awhile there it was looking like it might get eradicated, and now, it's come back with a vengeance.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

The problem is that a lot of people, as has been said, don't associate the word feminism with equality but with left politics, abortion, and man-hating.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

so I posted something about this court decision on FB and got a comment saying, "you stand up for anti-corporate America, yet you are know saying that they should be paying for optional birth control."

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

@kimba - a lot of women fought really hard to stamp out sexism. i think when pop culture broke up with politics, we devolved - as women, as a society
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Rachel - It's called worker benefits.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Yes, humanism!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from D Warneke

They really are El. They're far more smart than we give them credit for. They just use that intelligence to deceive the gullible into their own economic enslavement.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Corporate America pays less in taxes then ever, they give workers less benefits than ever, YES, we want them to pay.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah if they can pay for viagra, which isn't even necessary!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

it probably is if you take all the other poison they prescribe
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

When questionaires or applications ask for my gender I often check both M and F or cross them both out and write "Person".

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

Rachel, a proper comeback would be "there is no reason for a corporation to know private medical treatments between a patient and doctor."

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I knew you'd have a great answer for that one Lee! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Another great one Stella, doctor-patient confidentiality

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Healthcare is healthcare, not health shopping or health allowance.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

and not to mention that if you pull birth control from healthcare, you'll end up spending WAY more on health issues with the population later in their lives - including unwanted pregnancies, dangerous abortions, disabled kids due to unwanted pregnanc
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

pregnancies, etc etc
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Also, Hobby Lobby holds shares with the manufacturers of the contraceptives. Nice.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

I'm in Canada - we have pretty good healthcare

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah if they are willing to pull birth control than they better be willing to pay maternity leave

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

ha! rachel, good point!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

my friend in sweden just had her second child. 10 months paid leave
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

But what do people feel about "religious freedom" in general. If your religion tells you not to serve gay people at your restaurant, is that cool?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Women are only people as long as they obey. Babies are only people until they need healthcare or benefits.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

@jen - as carlin said, they want live babies to make dead soldiers
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jen pen

Freedom FROM religion, please.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

no because in America we are supposed to separate our beliefs from business and government

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

By the way, I covered the Hobby Lobby decision on "Redacted Tonight" the other day. I came down hard on religion. People did not like that much - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAtPI-cbOew
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

@Rachel, exactly.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Organized religion is a control system. Pure and simple.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

@Lee - I loved it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

That bit was AWESOME Lee! Glad you did it! It sure got people talking :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

oh lee where in the bible does it say thou shalt not feed the gay people ......small print is it

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Thanks Eleanor. I think you're the only one. :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

No, I'm kidding. Plenty liked it but it got a lot of down votes. Ha.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

that means you're doing something right
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

sometimes controversy opens minds

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Thanks Occupy.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I mean if people can openly condemn women who have abortions and call them murders, I'd say it is fair to share the other side of the coin with the world Lee!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Not true lee

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

the republican party is full of fruity men

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

Barry - if by fruity you mean gay men, then the world is full of gay men. And thank god for that. I mean goddess, or whatever.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

i wish the republican party were full of gay men
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

and they'd dress better
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

When the president is "inducted" with his hand on the bible, how the hell are you going to separate church and state? Too closely entwined.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I mean we get it rich, old, white dudes, women scare you, anyone different from you scares you, why must you cage what you don't understand, what century is this??

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

@Rachel, that may be the question of the ages
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

we need leaders who welcome the unknown

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

we need leaders who accept that their job is not to lead according to their personal beliefs but according to the needs and wants of their constituents
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

We have 5 mins left, so don't run away yet, but I want to say I have a WEEKLY PODCAST where I both play the audio of my TV show "Redacted Tonight" AND my co-star John ODonnell and I discuss tons of political issues with comedy, etc. etc.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

So please spread the word about the "Moment of Clarity" podcast.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

i don't need my rep to be an atheist but i need her/him to respect that i am one and respect the separation of church and state
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

You can get it on iTunes here - http://j.mp/MOCrev
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Also, Eleanor and I will be playing in LA this FRIDAY
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

You guys are amazing Lee with John and Sam...best fucking reporter ever!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Thanks John
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

Yeah - spread the word about the show this Friday, this tawk, Lee's podcast, my band! :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Eleanor - do you have the link to our show in LA?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

John is the only guy I know who can speak faster than Lee.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

yep: https://www.facebook.com/events/584589258327714/
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Tell your friends in LA to come to our show!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

It's to get money out of politics!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

and tell your friends about these tawks! let us know what subjects you'd like us to tackle
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

You know, LA is cool and all, but you know, SF/Bay Area could use some Lee/Eleanor <3

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

@kimba - i'm all for it :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

If you want to watch all the episodes of Redacted Tonight, they're at www.LeeCamp.net
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I'll be on the lookout!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Keep fighting everybody!! (And feel free to keep hanging out here and talking)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Occupy Awareness

Would be nice to see you all up in Vancouver Canada - It's not raining right now :-)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Check out RR on rooftoprevolutionaries.com
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Thanks for joining us - feel free to keep tawking!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

great tawk Lee, Eleanor, and everyone! :) Can't wait to see the new Redacted Tonight! :)