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Small is Beautiful Part II Chapter 1

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Feb 1, 2014

Returned Peace Corps Volunteer and Green Business Guru Aaron Meyers dives into Part II of EF Schumacher's seminal work, Small is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered. This week, we begin an examination of resources in the economic equation. The greatest resource? Education.nnFree PDF version of Small is Beautiful at http://www.ee.iitb.ac.in/student/~pdarshan/SmallIsBeautifulSchumacher.pdf

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Hi there”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:00 AM

Hey, Jordan!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:00 AM

We've missed you. <3

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:00 AM

You, too, Rachel! <3

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:01 AM

How is everybody?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“good, just working hard as usual. and you?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

I survived Polar Vortex Part II - bracing for Part III next week.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

Where do i live?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

I'm in North georgia.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

People here can't handle this! :D

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I'm so done with this cold weather”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“that's weird. have you tried lighting your snow on fire yet? lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

Ooooh. Burn!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

Which is also a pun.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:03 AM

No, the pollution isn't bad here.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:03 AM

I'm far north, not where the spill was.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

I'm still waiting on Aaron. I'm sure he'll be along in a minute.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

But I'm not going to waste time, because this

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

IS THE BEST CHAPTER EVER!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“go ahead! I'm here to learn! :D”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

I'll start with an excerpt from the end, the last paragraph, which does a nice job of summarizing:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

"The problems of education are merely reflections of the deepest problems of our age. The cannot be solved by organization, administration, or the expenditure of money, even though the importance of these is not denied."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Hi everyone!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

Hey, Rich! Glad you stopped by. ;)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

"We are suffering from a metaphysical disease, and the cure must therefore be metaphysical."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

"Education which fails to clarify our central convictions is mere training or indulgence. "

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“I'm here...woo hoo”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

Jane! You too! Yay!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

Okay, so back up and read the last few cells, because it's like the central point of the chapter.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

"For it is our central convictions that are in disorder, and as long as the present anti-metaphysical temper persists, the disorder will grow worse."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

"Education, far from ranking as man's greatest resource, will then be an agent of destruction..."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“we lack education of all the most important things and instead indulge rote learning which is merely a recounting of facts (and many times these aren't facts but a retelling of history for example)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

Oooh, Rachel, nicely put!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

Schumacher picks a bone with our obsession with CONVERGENT problems instead of DIVERGENT problems.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“I wonder if we lost the education we once had... the great forgetting...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

And this is also what he suggest.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

He suggests that CONVERGENT problems - those involved in the science, with empiricism

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

have robbed us of the DIVERGENT questions that are the meat of humanity. The things concerned with BEING, with who and what we are\

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

and what we should do with oruselves.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“is that the same as being unable to think more abstractly?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

Maybe. yeah. Maybe that's a good way to put it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

Because convergent thinking has, as an end result, a neat solution that you can present to someone else.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“did you see the clip on time being man made.....egocentric design”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

Dude, RICH!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

I have been TRIPPING on this concept for almost a month now!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

I took a History of Civilization course and the prof explained that time and synchronization of clocks became important - to serve industrialization!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

Because of the TRAIN SCHEDULES!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

It's like...our society jusdges people based on how well they can follow the clock...and it's all made-up.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...daylight savings time needs to be abolished for that same reason...ugg what a waste of time...literally”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

They don't do it in Central America, and I really dug that when I lived down there. It didn't ruin my world. ;D

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“I just watched the clip not even a week ago Rebecca, and "boom" went my mind!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

Okay, so Rachel - Metaphysics. Let me get a few of your comments in:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“(the scientist in me is having a hard time with the term "metaphysics" lol)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“'The Force' exists Rachel! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@Rich oh I know it does, spirituality is what I see it as, all the different energies. It is hard for our minds to focus on the unobservable I think that is what is very hard for most people to come to terms with.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

Okay, so Schumacher goes off about how metaphysics (the divergent questions) are essential to making us human.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

That by taking in all these soul-killing ideas of the 19th century (evolution, relativism, positivism, empiricism - we have just confused ourselves.\

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Because now we think THROUGH those ideas without even knowing it,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

and we believe that the only questions worth working on are CONVERGENT (questions of knowing, of the sciences).

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

Rather, we need a balance.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

We have to grapple with who we are, what we are...to know what we should do.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

He thinks this failure of a "full" education is what has caused so many social ills.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

It's a neat perspective.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“hm. interesting. so in a way we are over-thinking things? And yes I agree we do need more of a balance between the emperical and the metaphysical.. ok I get it now! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“where science and magic meet!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Science and Magic should always meet ;)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

Well, also, the thing that really got to me was that he enumerated 6 of the huge ideas that seeped into public consciousness in the 19th century that we all LIVE BY now and accept as true (except some people in Arkansas)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

And these big ideas are fine by themselves, but they actually are metaphysical, and/or are being applied inappropriately as universal truths.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

And we all think through the screen of these ideas,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

and apparently by doing so, we've lost something essential to humanity.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...hehehehehe Becka...Arkansas....Huckabee and women's libido's..what a backwards bumpkin he is.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

@Jane: Huckabee. Wow, what an asshole! How does having your husband raise your kids make you a whore? But I digress.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...don't get me started on him...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

Well, to show you how Schumacher's essential ideas have corrupted my thoughts, I'll make an evolution joke and sardonically point out that maybe the Huckabee family missed the evolutionary boat.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“he appeals to his core audience at Fox News which is old white people who are dying off, hence Fox ratings are going down”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

I hate to say that I hope that's true, Jane, because then i look like someone who wants all the boomers to keel over tomorrow. Maybe people just finally foudn the remotes behind the couch and changed the channel... ;P

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Okay, so we've basically been going over the crux of the second half of the chapter.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Lots of good ideas, so many quotable nuggets there - I encourage you all to read it sometime for free on the PDF link in the Tawk description.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“FOUND IT!!!!!!!!! :'-) Time is an Illusion”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/01/time-illusion-former-astronaut-blows-mind.html”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

Thanks, Rich!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

I'll give you a minute to catch up, then i'll tell you about this amazing thing that happened this week with regard to the First Half of this chapter.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“(panting) Welcome!!!!!! My fingers damn near set the keyboard ablaze lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

I appreciate the effort.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

i also appreciate the break that gave me to go get another beer. ;D

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

Okay, so, I recently moved right outside Chattanooga.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

I am in LOVE with Chattanooga.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“...on second thought..it's 22 minutes long so maybe later I'll get my mind blown...I'm all ehre right now...thanks again though”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“NICE! I have a love of good beers :-)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“what do you love about Chattanooga?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

EVERYTHING!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

There's Art, Music, Food,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

NICE PEOPLE

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

Hippies

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

A big GREEN sectro

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

AND A LOCAL, SUSTAINABLE FARMER'S MARKET!!!!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

This matter's to Small is beautiful - I'll get there.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

I'm doing this anecdote-style.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

So, my husband and I LOVE the farmer's market and the farmers.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“wohoo! farmer's markets and hippies! sounds awesome! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

We're both on committees already, and we're trying to help them align themselves with the green initiatives going on in the city, get themselves a permanent location, insinuate themselves firmly into the community.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

I had a meeting with the education committee this week.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

So I was kicking back, waiting for the meeting to start, reading Small is Beautiful to prep for tonight...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

and i came across some passages, some ideas that were EXACTLY what I needed to say to the committee.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

EXACTLY what need to guide us.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

So, it was a big serendipitous thing (to me)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

and then i passed the book off to the only other committee member that made it (we had icy roads and shit this week)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

And she TOTALLY got it!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

So...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

I suppose I can share some of those ideas so you'll know what in the hell I'm even getting so excited about:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Farmers Markets are AWESOME!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“that's how I got here Rebecca through a serendipitous moment when I checked my e-mail that I NEVER check...woo hoo...you've got IT Becka...I'm certain”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

You guys are great!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

;)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“there is no such thing as a coincidence ;)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

Okay, so I think you guys will dig these concepts, too:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

Education is of vital importance, right?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“well played Rachel, well played. just heard that tonight on the History channel during "Ancient Aliens"”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

LOL, Rich. "I'm not saying it was aliens, but...it was ALIENS."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“yes”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

Schumacher quotes lord Snow, "To say that we must educate ourselves or perish is a little more melodramatic than the facts warrant. To say, we must educate ourselves or watch a steep decline in our lifetime is about right."\

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

So, the quality of education has observable results.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

We can see, over a lifetime, what the seeds of education reap.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Sums up what's going on...we're teetering...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

Okay, education matters.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

We all agree.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

I'm giving to many quotes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

Onto the next thing.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

What we've got now is a big division in education.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

At the highest end, the most educated people are EITHER literary intellectuals OR scientists. Not both.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

That's problematic, because we've got a gulf.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

the two sides don't "get" each other.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“indeed it does Rebecca!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“well again, we don't really teach the most important things. And there is a difference between true knowledge and education in my opinion.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“but not all education happens in the classroom...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“I feel public schools conform and teach our children how to be worker bees and consumers.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“classrooms were invented during the industrial era too, to have a place to store the kids. before that everyone was mostly life long learners and learned at home and out in the world.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“travelling is a great way to learn...kinda like a field trip where you're the teacher”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“True Rebecca... HUGE gap”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

Al excellent observations!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

You guys are totally with me on this. ;)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

That gap is our CONVERGENT and DIVERGENT problem again.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

We haven't found a way to talk about science in a way that tells us how to live, and science won't accept metaphysical reasoning.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“....a convergence of the minds....harmonic even...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“where did Jordan go? :(”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“he'd love where this is goin'”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

JB has been unplugging more lately. We miss him, but, hey...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“so is a literary intellectual sort of like philosopher vs. scientist?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

Yes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

Science "rejects" philosophy out-of-hand,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:50 AM

without realizing that it operates through many ideas that are metaphysical in nature.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:50 AM

Science in that way is blind.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“well I could argue certain pseudoscience does delve into both of those areas... although as a psychologist I HATE the term pseudoscience because we use hard objective measures to try and measure the unobservable but I digress lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:51 AM

Like, the examples he gave are big ones, though, Rachel.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

Like, EVOLUTION, NATURAL SELECTION, RELATIVISM, POSITIVISM (I.E. EMPIRICISM)...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“like doctors reject alternative medicine/treatments/chiropractors”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@rich - which is stupid because modern medicine evolved OUT of natural medicine.. idjits lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

EXACTLY!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

But, these large ideas, while they have a lot of value, are essentially metaphysical.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

They are based of of SOME observation,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

but are inappropriately generalized as universal.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

And mostly deal with the essence of being, how the world operates,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

which makes it ACTUALLY metaphysical theory, not hard science.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

They are ieas through which science now operates and interprets its empirical date.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I see, so those huge concepts we all except as purely scientific in fact have metaphysical variables intertwined into them as well, which we ignore and because of that we lose valuable information and full understanding of said constructs”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Exactly Rachel!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

That's as mind-blowing as the time thing, huh?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“maybe true science IS metaphysical and we just haven't evolved enough to truly know how to measure it yet”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:55 AM

Oooh, Rachel I like that! So much!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“A fun treat for you all...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHR-SI7Bv0”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Yes it is Rebecca....”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:56 AM

(As an aside, from that History of Civilization class, I learned the "human rights" are also human constructs - just as much as "the place of women" in certain religious doctrine. back of my head blew off. i swear.)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“scientifically it makes perfect sense. I mean we research all these interactions in my field but the assumption is we are barely scratching the surface of the true interplay between variables. life is complex and so are the interrelationships between”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“it's a song called little green men by Steve Vai... a little weird, but funny”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

Hee hee, Rich. Thanks. :)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“we keep boxing things as separate, individual...not connected. Quantum physics starts to address connections”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:58 AM

Yeah, and quantum physics is HUGE and COMPLEX - so many of us never get to that level of thought.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:58 AM

So...maybe that's what we should be striving toward with education.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

Educating someone enough so that he can understand science, humanities, and begin to see CONNECTIONS.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“so does psychology, which is part of the reason I love it so much! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“there are an infinite number of combinations and relationships out there... I don't know how we even begin to study them all.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“we do know that the act of watching something changes it.....or it changes itself because it was observed”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“@Rich - if I was smart enough, I would love to study quantum physics.. FASCINATING!! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

Okay, so dig on this for a minute:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:00 AM

"What, then, is education? It is the transmission of ideas which enable man to choose between one thing and another or...to live a life which is above meaningless tragedy or inward disgrace."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“watch maybe logic by Robert Anton Wilson... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEl-fTtP2tw”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Rachel, Robert explains quantum physics/mechanics in a simple manner”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

So...shouldn't that be the goal of education, then?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

Not having kids pass tests, not "holding teachers accountable," but helping us find answers for ourselves about who we are and how to live?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“gotcha Rich..lsitening now..”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..all we have is our truth....my truth might not be your truth....but it's still true.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I feel like science had it right in that you have to separate things to truly understand them, but they forget to re-integrate them back into the complex pattern from where they originally came”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“We are taught limitation”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

Oooh. Yes. Those are very true statements!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Insightful thought Rachel!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

So, we're going about it ass-backwards, then.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

Education based on the industrial model is not only outdated, but it is doing us a HUGE disservice.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

Because that has, in part, produced this compartmentalization...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“thanks! we talk alot about remembering to find antecedents, and consequences to all constructs we study, makes sense. what good is it to know about one thing, if you don't know how it interacts with the larger picture? not very much good”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“the ego wants to box things/catagorize...it requires a different mind... unification within our being maybe???”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..it's all pointalism...tiny dots making a big picture maybe?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Agreed.... if you watch 'The Secret'...the mention the Industrial Age specifically, and why?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:06 AM

I don't know, Rich - why?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes Jane! :) Great way to think about it. It's important to understand each dot, but remember that the bigger picture was your original goal to understand :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“limit our thinking...becoming a slave”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:07 AM

Aha! yes. A slave to that damned clock the train schedule, the whistle...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

meanwhile divorcing us from the REAl systems that support us, i.e., the planet and her rhythms.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“have you seen the secret Rebecca?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

I haven't Rich. I was out of the country when it was big, and I never went back to watch/read it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I think we got lost in the specifics. I know I do sometimes, it's a bi-product of a scientific mind I think, it's hard not to get bogged down by the one thing you are specifically studying and forget the larger relationship”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..we're still stuck whereever we're at though....”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“ya know the more I think about it... the industrial revolution set us so much farther back.. very sad”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“time+industrialization+limited education/thinking=slave?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“..enough Rich we know the truth..”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Ok, Jane, I'll cool my jets a bit...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“hheheheheheh...you're sounding Alex Jonesey PRISON PLANET a bit”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:10 AM

LOL, Jane - we metaphysical people have a hard time staying away from conspiracy theory...and I'm not saying it was a conspiracy, but it was a conspiracy.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“but only to the extent we allow ourselves to be”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“well we are pretty imprisoned...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“again, no such thing as a coincidence ;)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

Hahahaha!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

You guys are absolutely wonderful!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“right Rachel... maybe there was a collective choice made...to learn something...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“"Is it so hard to believe Neo?"”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“right back at ya Rebecca! :) Great Tawk! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“if I wake up in a tube filled with that gross jelly I will NOT be happy! LOL!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“I love being with you guys”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“awwww.... closing time already!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

Thanks for being here. We missed Jordan and Aaron, but I think we made out alright on our own.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“goes too fast... :p”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“Great Tawk everyone!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

No better way to spend a Friday night!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

I hope you all have a great weekend and remember: "Be excellent to one another."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“indeed...with a beer & Tawkers”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes! I had fun and learned lots, as usual. I can always count on you all to teach me a few things! :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“great hinkers tight here...deep doo doos tuff”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rich Hagberg

“I always learn when I am here”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Tawkers unite! :) Yes have a great weekend! :) Night all!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:15 AM

Come by on Tuesday afternoon if you can for my Fundraiser Tawk for the Ugandan orphange!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:15 AM

Robert's stories are awesome, the kids are so cute...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:15 AM

Come ask questions!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:16 AM

<3 you all!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:16 AM

Peace out

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jane Smith

“,,night John Boy, Mary Ellen,rachel Rich Becka”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 4:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Ugh I passed out and missed it...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 4:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I can't believe I missed this. It is BEAUTIFUL.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 4:09 AM

Thanks, Jordan.<3

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Tawkers AdminJan 9, 2014, 2:42 AM

Welcome to the comment section of the Tawk, where audience members can share their thoughts about the main conversation happening on the left. Don't by shy! Entering questions and comments is the only way to get the attention of the two Hosts on stage!

Jordan BirnbaumFeb 1, 2014, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Hi there

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:01 AM

hi! :)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:01 AM★ Spotlighted

good, just working hard as usual. and you?

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm so done with this cold weather

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

that's weird. have you tried lighting your snow on fire yet? lol

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:03 AM

well that's good! :)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:05 AM★ Spotlighted

go ahead! I'm here to learn! :D

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Hi everyone!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:06 AM

hi rich! :)

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm here...woo hoo

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:06 AM

Hi Rachel, Rebecca, Jordan!

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:06 AM

Hi Jane!

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:06 AM

hey Rich

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:07 AM★ Spotlighted

we lack education of all the most important things and instead indulge rote learning which is merely a recounting of facts (and many times these aren't facts but a retelling of history for example)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:09 AM★ Spotlighted

I wonder if we lost the education we once had... the great forgetting...

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:10 AM★ Spotlighted

is that the same as being unable to think more abstractly?

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

did you see the clip on time being man made.....egocentric design

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

(the scientist in me is having a hard time with the term "metaphysics" lol)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:12 AM

we are eternally control-freaks lol

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

'The Force' exists Rachel! :)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:13 AM

Atlas Shrugged...

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:14 AM★ Spotlighted

...daylight savings time needs to be abolished for that same reason...ugg what a waste of time...literally

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:14 AM★ Spotlighted

@Rich oh I know it does, spirituality is what I see it as, all the different energies. It is hard for our minds to focus on the unobservable I think that is what is very hard for most people to come to terms with.

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:14 AM★ Spotlighted

I just watched the clip not even a week ago Rebecca, and "boom" went my mind!

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:15 AM

Agreed Jane!!!!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:15 AM

no clocks/time is my idea of paradise! :)

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:15 AM

...anybody got links to this man made time" clip? Iwanna see it too and get my mind "Boomed...lol

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:16 AM

The time/gravity/distance thing

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:16 AM

I'll try to find it Jane

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:16 AM

Thanks Rich

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:18 AM

Sill hunting for it

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:18 AM

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

hm. interesting. so in a way we are over-thinking things? And yes I agree we do need more of a balance between the emperical and the metaphysical.. ok I get it now! :)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:19 AM

How's it going Aaron?

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

where science and magic meet!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Science and Magic should always meet ;)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:20 AM

otherwise, what's the point?

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:21 AM

...now we're into an epiosde of MERLIN it sounds like....I miss that show so much...come back MERLIN

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:22 AM★ Spotlighted

...hehehehehe Becka...Arkansas....Huckabee and women's libido's..what a backwards bumpkin he is.

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:24 AM★ Spotlighted

...don't get me started on him...

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:25 AM★ Spotlighted

he appeals to his core audience at Fox News which is old white people who are dying off, hence Fox ratings are going down

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

FOUND IT!!!!!!!!! :'-) Time is an Illusion

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/01/time-illusion-former-astronaut-blows-mind.html

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:30 AM★ Spotlighted

(panting) Welcome!!!!!! My fingers damn near set the keyboard ablaze lol

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:30 AM

thanks Rich...going there now

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:31 AM★ Spotlighted

NICE! I have a love of good beers :-)

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:32 AM★ Spotlighted

...on second thought..it's 22 minutes long so maybe later I'll get my mind blown...I'm all ehre right now...thanks again though

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:32 AM

ok..

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:32 AM

NP Jane

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:32 AM★ Spotlighted

what do you love about Chattanooga?

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:35 AM★ Spotlighted

wohoo! farmer's markets and hippies! sounds awesome! :)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:37 AM★ Spotlighted

Farmers Markets are AWESOME!

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:39 AM★ Spotlighted

that's how I got here Rebecca through a serendipitous moment when I checked my e-mail that I NEVER check...woo hoo...you've got IT Becka...I'm certain

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:39 AM★ Spotlighted

there is no such thing as a coincidence ;)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:40 AM★ Spotlighted

well played Rachel, well played. just heard that tonight on the History channel during "Ancient Aliens"

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

yes

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:41 AM

...hehhehehe Rich...Coast to Coast Am is the place to be for that stuff...for everything "out there" really

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:41 AM

haha speaking of aliens.. it is no coincidence they have yet to show themselves... not until we stop our war mongering :p

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:42 AM

33 degree north latitude

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:42 AM

....Snowden's doumnets will reveal hopefully what they don't want us to know

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:42 AM

they were discussing that angels could be historical recording of mans interaction with E.T's

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:43 AM

Art Bell... I miss his shows

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Sums up what's going on...we're teetering...

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:43 AM

he's gone...sad...gave up his show a---gain...George noory is a great guy and other hosts too

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

indeed it does Rebecca!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

well again, we don't really teach the most important things. And there is a difference between true knowledge and education in my opinion.

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:45 AM★ Spotlighted

but not all education happens in the classroom...

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:45 AM★ Spotlighted

I feel public schools conform and teach our children how to be worker bees and consumers.

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

classrooms were invented during the industrial era too, to have a place to store the kids. before that everyone was mostly life long learners and learned at home and out in the world.

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

travelling is a great way to learn...kinda like a field trip where you're the teacher

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

True Rebecca... HUGE gap

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:47 AM★ Spotlighted

....a convergence of the minds....harmonic even...

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:48 AM★ Spotlighted

where did Jordan go? :(

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:48 AM★ Spotlighted

he'd love where this is goin'

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:49 AM★ Spotlighted

so is a literary intellectual sort of like philosopher vs. scientist?

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:49 AM

but yet science admits to connection...look at the headlines..."Omagarsh-There is dark matter!"

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:50 AM

hey, there's a super nova we can se with binoculars tonight in Ursa Major...for all the sky neds out there...looking for ALiens and such..lol

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:50 AM★ Spotlighted

well I could argue certain pseudoscience does delve into both of those areas... although as a psychologist I HATE the term pseudoscience because we use hard objective measures to try and measure the unobservable but I digress lol

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

like doctors reject alternative medicine/treatments/chiropractors

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

@rich - which is stupid because modern medicine evolved OUT of natural medicine.. idjits lol

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:53 AM★ Spotlighted

I see, so those huge concepts we all except as purely scientific in fact have metaphysical variables intertwined into them as well, which we ignore and because of that we lose valuable information and full understanding of said constructs

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Exactly Rachel!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

maybe true science IS metaphysical and we just haven't evolved enough to truly know how to measure it yet

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

A fun treat for you all...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHR-SI7Bv0

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes it is Rebecca....

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:56 AM★ Spotlighted

scientifically it makes perfect sense. I mean we research all these interactions in my field but the assumption is we are barely scratching the surface of the true interplay between variables. life is complex and so are the interrelationships between

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:56 AM

things

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:56 AM★ Spotlighted

it's a song called little green men by Steve Vai... a little weird, but funny

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 2:57 AM★ Spotlighted

we keep boxing things as separate, individual...not connected. Quantum physics starts to address connections

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:57 AM★ Spotlighted

so does psychology, which is part of the reason I love it so much! :)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:58 AM★ Spotlighted

there are an infinite number of combinations and relationships out there... I don't know how we even begin to study them all.

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:59 AM★ Spotlighted

@Rich - if I was smart enough, I would love to study quantum physics.. FASCINATING!! :)

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 2:59 AM★ Spotlighted

we do know that the act of watching something changes it.....or it changes itself because it was observed

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 2:59 AM

The Hawthorne Effect.

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:00 AM★ Spotlighted

watch maybe logic by Robert Anton Wilson... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEl-fTtP2tw

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Rachel, Robert explains quantum physics/mechanics in a simple manner

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:01 AM

We should do a tawk on string theory sometime! lol! I want to learn more! digressing again, oops

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:01 AM

..that's deep thinking doo doo Becka

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:01 AM

Jane, you'll love the last clip based on a statement you said earlier

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:02 AM★ Spotlighted

..all we have is our truth....my truth might not be your truth....but it's still true.

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:02 AM★ Spotlighted

gotcha Rich..lsitening now..

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:02 AM

well, there more choices I am sure...

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I feel like science had it right in that you have to separate things to truly understand them, but they forget to re-integrate them back into the complex pattern from where they originally came

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:03 AM★ Spotlighted

We are taught limitation

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:03 AM★ Spotlighted

Insightful thought Rachel!

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:04 AM★ Spotlighted

the ego wants to box things/catagorize...it requires a different mind... unification within our being maybe???

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:04 AM★ Spotlighted

thanks! we talk alot about remembering to find antecedents, and consequences to all constructs we study, makes sense. what good is it to know about one thing, if you don't know how it interacts with the larger picture? not very much good

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:05 AM★ Spotlighted

..it's all pointalism...tiny dots making a big picture maybe?

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Agreed.... if you watch 'The Secret'...the mention the Industrial Age specifically, and why?

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:06 AM★ Spotlighted

yes Jane! :) Great way to think about it. It's important to understand each dot, but remember that the bigger picture was your original goal to understand :)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:06 AM

@ Jane ... a huge hologram

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:06 AM★ Spotlighted

limit our thinking...becoming a slave

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:07 AM★ Spotlighted

have you seen the secret Rebecca?

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:07 AM

a prison for our minds

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:07 AM★ Spotlighted

..we're still stuck whereever we're at though....

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:07 AM★ Spotlighted

I think we got lost in the specifics. I know I do sometimes, it's a bi-product of a scientific mind I think, it's hard not to get bogged down by the one thing you are specifically studying and forget the larger relationship

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:08 AM★ Spotlighted

..enough Rich we know the truth..

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:08 AM★ Spotlighted

time+industrialization+limited education/thinking=slave?

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:08 AM★ Spotlighted

ya know the more I think about it... the industrial revolution set us so much farther back.. very sad

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Ok, Jane, I'll cool my jets a bit...

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:09 AM★ Spotlighted

hheheheheheh...you're sounding Alex Jonesey PRISON PLANET a bit

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

well we are pretty imprisoned...

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

but only to the extent we allow ourselves to be

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

again, no such thing as a coincidence ;)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:11 AM★ Spotlighted

right Rachel... maybe there was a collective choice made...to learn something...

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:11 AM

...ohhh no....for God's sake I got Rachel Maddow playin' in the background she just ended and THE PRISONERS are on now in the background..enough slaves and prisoners pluhlese

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:11 AM★ Spotlighted

"Is it so hard to believe Neo?"

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

right back at ya Rebecca! :) Great Tawk! :)

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

if I wake up in a tube filled with that gross jelly I will NOT be happy! LOL!

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

I love being with you guys

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

awwww.... closing time already!

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM

:-(

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Great Tawk everyone!

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:12 AM★ Spotlighted

goes too fast... :p

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM

Ditto Jane...ditto

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM

Yeppers

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

yes! I had fun and learned lots, as usual. I can always count on you all to teach me a few things! :)

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

indeed...with a beer & Tawkers

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

great hinkers tight here...deep doo doos tuff

Rich HagbergFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

I always learn when I am here

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:13 AM

thinkers

Rachel McDonnellFeb 1, 2014, 3:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Tawkers unite! :) Yes have a great weekend! :) Night all!

Jane SmithFeb 1, 2014, 3:15 AM★ Spotlighted

,,night John Boy, Mary Ellen,rachel Rich Becka

Jordan BirnbaumFeb 1, 2014, 3:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Ugh I passed out and missed it...

Jordan BirnbaumFeb 1, 2014, 4:08 AM★ Spotlighted

I can't believe I missed this. It is BEAUTIFUL.