Rebecca Westbrook Toker

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Small is Beautiful Part III Chapter1

Mar 11, 2014·22 visitors

Seth Westbrook Toker

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Mar 11, 2014

Green techie Seth Westbrook Toker sits in for ususal cohost Aaron Meyers to tawk about EF Schumacher's seminal work, Small is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered - the original "Buddhist Economics" primer. This week, we're starting Part III and talking about Development and what was formerly called The Third World. So, really - what does sustainable development look like?nnFree PDF copy of the full text at: http://www.ee.iitb.ac.in/student/~pdarshan/SmallIsBeautifulSchumacher.pdf

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I'm in”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:30 AM

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen!

Seth Westbrook Toker · 1:30 AM

Howdy, my hairy Comrades!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:30 AM

We're sure happy to see you all, with your time-change hangovers!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:31 AM

How is everyone!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:31 AM

Man, we just came from the best Tawk with Wayne Delorme and Kelly Mackin on wind ower!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:31 AM

That was awesome! They toured a new generator facility and did a Tawk to tell everyone about it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:32 AM

Look it up. It's worth your time!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“hello!”

Seth Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

Very interesting with tons of video links to what we were talking about, or should i say "Tawking"?

Seth Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

(te he)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

Hey, Robin!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wayne Delorme

“Thanks for the plugs! Hi everyone!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“"hairy"?”

Seth Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

Arnt we all?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:33 AM

We are mammals...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:34 AM

Well, so, let's get to it!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:34 AM

Tonight, we're starting Part III -

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:34 AM

Development

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and THE THIRD WORLD

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:35 AM

(Anytime i see that, I hear in my head the intro to that section of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life...

Seth Westbrook Toker · 1:35 AM

me too...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:35 AM

and then they cut to like, the slums of London.)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:35 AM

Funny stuff.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:35 AM

And, anyway, it's not PR to say that anymore.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:36 AM

We call it "The Developing World'

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:36 AM

So, anyway, like each chapter we get to, Schumacher cuts to the quick of the problems...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:37 AM

and we're slapped in the face with how much we HAVEN'T improved in the last 50 years. (Remember, this was written in the late 60s and updated in 1973.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“had the devil of a time with that chapter. not sure why.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:39 AM

It hits home for me, becuase I spent time in Honduras as a development worker and I completely rearranged my ideas about what can and should be done.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:40 AM

So, what typically happens when developed nations enter into underdeveloped nations,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:40 AM

is that they come in with very patronizing and lovely intentions, such as:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:40 AM

'To do what lies within our power to help the developing countries to nprovide their people with the material opportunities for using their talents, of nliving a full and happy life and steadily improving their lot.'

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

Which Schumacher presented as an excerpt from a British white paper on development goals.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“sounds good”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

Yeah, exactly.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

It sounds great.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

But it's vacuous.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:41 AM

WHAT are they going to do?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:42 AM

And what they typically do it try to put as much of what their country is doing right on top of the developing country,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:42 AM

irrespective of the culture of the develping nation,

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the aims and goals,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:43 AM

or the level of development.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:43 AM

What has historically resulted is an influx of inappropriate technology that doesn't fit into the culture

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which creates a power imbalance

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because our technology is EXPENSIVE.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:44 AM

There's always an u-front cost to start a business or bring in new machines,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“rip out their whole system, rape their land and blow up their hospitals?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:44 AM

so the only people who can afford to do that are the people who are already in positions of power.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:44 AM

And that, Robin.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:45 AM

There has been an awful lot of that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:45 AM

Geez, i am reading about what Roosevelt did in the Philippines and it is sickening!!!!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wayne Delorme

“The game is rigged. A begger on the street may have the answer to all our problems, but nobody will give him the time of day. just another way inequality harms us”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:46 AM

I'd agree, dude. Heard an awesome story on a show called Snap Judgement this week (look it up - it's on NPR) about a guy who was compelled to write a symphony he couldn't get out of his head...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:47 AM

and how difficult it was for him to get it done because he wasn't an "insider" - so even the music system is rigged.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i dont know what he did”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:48 AM

Roosevelt was apparently an Imperialist, Aryan-Pride douchebag. And he smashed the Philippines for no good reason - only because he wanted a war to keep the American Aryans from getting 'overcivilized' and therefore falling out of power.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:49 AM

And the stated American intentions were just as good as the intentions set forth n the British white paper above.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:50 AM

They were helping the poor Philippine 'negroes' become civilized.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“horrible =/”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:50 AM

yeah, it's shitty.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:51 AM

You should check out the book The Imperial Cruise. That's what I'm reading. or you could check out Roosevelt's own books that he published - the Winning of the West series...he goes on and on about "White is right." it's really disturbing.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Wayne Delorme

“their opinion of civilization is.. after all... not civil.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I cant remember the last name but kermit something. peter joseph talks about how he used 2 million dollars to flip the presidential powers by revolt, the first economic hitman?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:52 AM

That wasn't the Philippines the FIRST time.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:52 AM

I'm talking about...1898-ish.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:53 AM

It was the Spanish-American War.

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The US came in and purported to be helping the Philippines gain their independence, but they just wanted to take over.

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So they arranged with the Spanish to make it look like they were cornered and then surrendered.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:53 AM

So the Spanish left.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:54 AM

And then the US let them celebrate ONE mealy Independence Day and then crushed their country.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“WOA ok writing those down. lol gunna have to do some heaving reading, got some books by bach that were suggested to me by a friend.LOL robin.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“kelly, you DO need some clones”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:54 AM

hahaha!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:54 AM

I'm on a tangent, but it's sort of related.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i am more and more disillusioned and dismayed by the US”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:55 AM

The same sort of shenanigans are perpetrated in the name of "development."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:55 AM

So, since Industrialization,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:56 AM

big countries come in, bring factories and deposit them in cities

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and make the wealthiest and best-educated people the managers.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:58 AM

and employ the paeons as low-wage workers.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

This causes mass-migration to cities, urban sprawl and poverty, and STILL, most of the population will be poor, undereducated, under-nourished and under-employed.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

It's a crappy model and we aren't updating it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“1954 the whole way capitalism found out how to control countries by controlling the money. War had a new face. economic.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“and... what is this........ "protecting our freedom" ?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

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“as a reason to make war”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Its control, we are matter movers and creators and destroyers.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“if they pay us for these tasks, do they not OWN us?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 1:59 AM

And all these things also happen.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:00 AM

And in fact, we have created in THIS country what Schumacher describes as an evil of this improper approach to development: the "Dual Economy."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:00 AM

See if this sounds familiar:

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It is not a matter nof some people being rich and others being poor. both being united by a ncommon way of life:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:01 AM

it is a matter of two ways of life existing side by side in nsuch a manner that even the humblest member of the one disposes of a daily nincome which is a high multiple of the income accruing to even the hardest nworking member of the other.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Poverty is the worst form of violence.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“why are we not updating it?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

Dude, i don't know. i don't understand.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes, that sounds familiar”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:02 AM

yeah - so we've created that everywhere. There is now a GLOBAL elite.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:03 AM

And there's GLOBAL middle class - us, i assume.

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And there's GLOBAL impoverished.

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Which is most of everyone.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“you can't make sense of 'crazy' maybe thats it.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I think, the reason they cause poverty is so we will work for less. A person sees all those people with nice things, they want it. They will get loans to get those things. debt will make us work for less. its efficient for them to do this garbage.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

Could be, Kelly.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

if it's not the intention, it sure is a convenient result, anyway.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i'm sure your idea is right, kelly.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

Well, we sure do it to other countries.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

Overtly.

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They work for less

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And they will also let us take more than our fair share: of resources, of profits, and even of their brain power.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

"Brain Drain" is another effect of this kind of development.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“>; [ at america”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i'm sick of it!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I can see it all over the place.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

It's not just America - remember, Europeans BECAME Americans.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

Europeans were the original colonizing, native-killing, resource-raping douchebags.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

Well, okay, not the ORIGINAL original...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

because the Vikings were pretty marauding, and the Mongols, and the Christians, and then the Moslems...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

I'll pull a Jordan Birnbaum and say, "Yeah, humans suck."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“hello everyone, going to try to jump in”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“hi becca =]”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

hey, Becca! Nice to see you!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“well, they kinda do, rebecca.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:09 AM

hahah. yeah, earlier this afternoon I found out that Palm Oil plantations result in orangutan murder and habitat destruction.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

Why can't we do anything right???

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“You get the world bank into a country by getting an economic hitman to get the country to take loans to, have western culture, stuff. They take the loan and cannot pay it back. well your selling your oil to us for cheap then. DOWN with the world bank”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“IF the economic hit man fails (strong leader) you send in the jackels, the kill the person.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

And this is true. This is happening, overtly.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

We often enter countries and propose to bring in big improvements...at a cost.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

We'll build a big dam and create a power grid...

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but we keep the profits.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

And, actually, we don't hire any natives, we just import skilled workers and they live in a compound.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

As an example.

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But the country often enters into a specific contract - a loan witha high interest after 3 years or something

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

and then, when the small country gets into financial trouble a few years down the way, well, THEY OWE US

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

so we take advantage and move in on the resources we wanted

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

or open the factory that they wouldn't allow before so we can have cheap labor.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“this is all outrageous, rebecca. can we actually do anything about it?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“exactly”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

well, the first step is becoming informed.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

Kelly is referencing an excellent book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

Read that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

But also, look closely at our economic policy.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

Look closely at development organizations.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

We have to change the way we appraoch and THINK ABOUT development.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

i think some of Schumacher's most elegant ideas are in this chapter. read that, if you get a chance.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

The concept of intermediate technology is exactly what we need.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

And this is a brilliant and heart-rending example of what that looks like in modern application:\

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26260978

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i'd like to see more intermediate technology implemented in the us too. =] we don't need some the expensive. things.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“yeah as soon as i typed that my comp battery died! its been that kind of day for me lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Aw, man, Becca. Some days. Glad you're here!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Exactly, Robin!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Exactly!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

I mean, who needs a new phone every year?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Really, we don't. But we're all caught in the "Forward Stampede."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“what do you mean by intermediat?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

I will find an excerpt real quick.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“less ambitious 'products' to take care of needs.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“more basic”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

Yeah.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

Intermediate technology just means a step up from where you are, but not a JUMP to the MOST current (which usually doesn't even make sense to a develping culture).

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“I like thinking about the reverse of "keeping up with the Jones'" I was just telling my husband, "Oh man so-and-so got a new iphone" and he goes "Damn, now I gotta get rid of my TV!" lol”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

it's exhausting to try and keep up!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

And, it's killing us.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

So maybe we should just make do with what we really need?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

Just a thought.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“greenhouses, small free energy, getting off grid outta their control.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“YES!!!! rebecca”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“Yes its ridiculous”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

But Schumacher talks specifically about what development really means.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

I love it that he does often give us answers!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

He says:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

"Is there an alternative? That the developing countries cannot do without a nmodern sector, particularly where they are in direct contact with the rich ncountries, is hardly open to doubt."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

"What needs to be questioned is the nimplicit assumption that the modern sector can be expanded to absorb nvirtually the entire population and that this can be done fairly quickly."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

"The nruling philosophy of development over the last twenty years has been: 'What is best for the rich must be best for the poor.'"

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

SOUND LIKE TRICKLE-DOWN THEORY TO ANYONE?????

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“as for investment in any economy (not just undeveloped), i think widespread education should be the #1 investment”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“and good health”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“and love.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

And that is preciely what is proposed as the best way to go about it!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

"Development does not start with goods; it starts with people and their neducation, organisation, and discipline."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

YES!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

"Without these three, all resources nremain latent, untapped potential."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I wish but at same time. I do not like the idea of any force, kids should be able to research what ever they want :0.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

Well, some kind of structure is helpful.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

And good models.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

"Here, then. lies the central problem of development. If the primary causes nof poverty are deficiencies in these three respects, then the alleviation of npoverty depends primarily on the removal of these deficiencies."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

"Here lies the nreason why development cannot be an act of creation. why it cannot be nordered, bought, comprehensively planned: why it requires a process of nevolution."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

". Education does not 'jump'; it is a gradual process of great subtlety. n Organisation does not 'jump'; it must gradually evolve to fit changing ncircumstances. And much the same goes for discipline."

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“once again, we are at the human bahavoir.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

Yep.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

It's not about STUFF.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

It's about BEING and DOING.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“education is not an affair of telling and being told, but an active and constructive process. john dewey”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

Tht's true.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

And so, we have to be gentle with ourselves and our counterparts...we've all been told what to want and that we have to be part of this system, and that to question id anti-progress and anti-science.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

You're asking what we should do - well, we have to RE educate.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Ourselves, first (and everyone here is trying!)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

and then others around us.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

But it's so hard to be gentle and patient - we want to TELL THEM that we have to change.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

TELL THEM to make the hard choices.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“but not in the traditional sense, it needs to be done by example.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Exactly.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“the 'awareness 'factor is prime in any major endeavor”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

So, if we want to change things here, we can use the same model that Schumacher was suggesting for approaching development:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

education, organization and discipline.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“we can't think our kids will do it IF we don't show them.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

Yes!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

But if we're successful, they'll accept it as a way of life. they'll internalize the values.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

just like we internalized consumer values.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“i am terrible with organization and discipline. am i hopeless then"”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

Nope, Robin!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

Schumacher says that all these things evolve.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

i believe that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

In cultre, but also personally,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

these things can all be worked on!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

Studies have come out recently that show how the will can be strengthened just liek a muscle - with practice.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

And that's actually deeply imbedded in montessori education theory, so it's not new.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“but i don't WANT them. = D they feel tight. restricting.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

Well, there's that. ;0

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

:), I mean.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

I'm a special ed teacher, and I deal with ways of teaching organization all the time to all kinds of people...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

and there is a dizzying aray of ways to organize -

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

which can also be shown by looking at various cultures ant the ways that they have organized.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

There isn't a "silver bullet" - it's all about practice and consistency. ;)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“loosely organized might be ok”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

And that's FINE!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

As long as things WORK.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

When there is dysfunction, there is a solution. But if it ain't broke, and if everyone's social contracts are functioning, well, then, it's fine.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“with the changes i'd like to see in the world, loosley would work.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I will by trying for it, lets ALL try for it BUT”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“Act without worrying about the results, and strive for excellence without dwelling on it. If we put all of ournhearts into what we do without complaining, we can become one with the "Way."nAct without worrying about the results, and strive for excell”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“ence.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

Well-said.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

So we have our assignments, which are just to keep doing what we're doing. ;)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

Educating.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

Organizing.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

Disciplining.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“what kind of organizing are you referring to?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

Well, right now, it strikes me as organizing among ourselves.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

organizing our movement.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

I see all around me people who are trying to make a better world, but all the groups are fighting, like the vegans and the local food people: they don't unite because some of them don't eat meat, but they're all trying to fix a broken food system...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

And there are other examples, like the pro-choice folks and the birth choice folks - they aren't united, but should be (doing a Tawk with Katie Kablusich tomorrow on that one)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“need some flexibility in the organization and focus on the main goal”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

YES!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

That's what I mean!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“waveofaction?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

I'm sure there are other meanings that can be ascribed to organizing, like organizing your way of thinking, etc.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

But I think it's important that we're doign what we're doing here.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

Tawking.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

We're educating and Organizing right now!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“then we need to bring them together and show them they are on the same side, how can we do this? Can we lead people to an awakening by asking them the right question? will you need different questions for everyone? HEHEHEHE”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“YES it is important.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“very palatable!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

You guys are great!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“I need my megaphone LOL.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

I was asking Jordan about when the first Tawkers convention is going to be :D

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

He said that tawkers has to make money first, but I told him, nah, we can just have it at the Y.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“when some folks resonate with each other, it feels extra special”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Becca Gambs

“its difficult to unite people when the powerful like to keep us divided”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“yes. its fun to stay at the ymca!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

ROFL! Hahahahahahahaaaa!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

Becca, that's true.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

And I guess that's why it resonates that we have to educate, organize, and discipline ourselves.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“BUT if we all unite, think of what we could do.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

Thanks for being here, all of you!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

You're wonderful people and you bring great ideas and genuine concerns.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

I'll see you Saturday for Part III Chapter 2! have a great week!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“thank you rebecca!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“chapter 2? i must be ahead of myself”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

No, the parts all start over with the chapter numbering, but the PDF version has them all chronologically numbered.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

I think it's like Chapter 14 in the PDF.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“yep yep good bye everyone, have a good life. :) talk to you all sone :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

“bye kelly and all”

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Tawkers AdminMar 9, 2014, 12:24 AM

Welcome to the comment section of the Tawk, where audience members can share their thoughts about the main conversation happening on the left. Don't by shy! Entering questions and comments is the only way to get the attention of the two Hosts on stage!

Jordan BirnbaumMar 10, 2014, 8:18 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm in

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:32 AM★ Spotlighted

hello!

Wayne DelormeMar 11, 2014, 1:33 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks for the plugs! Hi everyone!

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:33 AM★ Spotlighted

"hairy"?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:33 AM

Smoke I'll be right here :).

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:33 AM

doing good, thanks about the same as 2 minutes ago.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:35 AM

i loved monty python

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:38 AM★ Spotlighted

had the devil of a time with that chapter. not sure why.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:41 AM★ Spotlighted

sounds good

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:42 AM★ Spotlighted

rip out their whole system, rape their land and blow up their hospitals?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:45 AM★ Spotlighted

yes

Wayne DelormeMar 11, 2014, 1:45 AM★ Spotlighted

The game is rigged. A begger on the street may have the answer to all our problems, but nobody will give him the time of day. just another way inequality harms us

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:46 AM★ Spotlighted

i dont know what he did

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:46 AM

true, wayne

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:47 AM

rigged, as in, most of don't really get to play anymore. we just watch and hope.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:47 AM

ok just got back so I need to see where we are at :).

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:48 AM

welcome back kelly

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:48 AM

Do you mean to talk about how instuments are tuned to 440 hz and not 432? woot cymatic frequency .

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:49 AM★ Spotlighted

horrible =/

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:49 AM

Or how musicians are made to wear certain clothing so us reg folk can buy it?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:50 AM

good one kelly . too true

Wayne DelormeMar 11, 2014, 1:51 AM★ Spotlighted

their opinion of civilization is.. after all... not civil.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:51 AM★ Spotlighted

I cant remember the last name but kermit something. peter joseph talks about how he used 2 million dollars to flip the presidential powers by revolt, the first economic hitman?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:51 AM

right wayne.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

WOA ok writing those down. lol gunna have to do some heaving reading, got some books by bach that were suggested to me by a friend.LOL robin.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

kelly, you DO need some clones

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:54 AM★ Spotlighted

i am more and more disillusioned and dismayed by the US

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:55 AM★ Spotlighted

1954 the whole way capitalism found out how to control countries by controlling the money. War had a new face. economic.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:56 AM★ Spotlighted

and... what is this........ "protecting our freedom" ?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 1:57 AM★ Spotlighted

as a reason to make war

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:57 AM★ Spotlighted

Its control, we are matter movers and creators and destroyers.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:58 AM★ Spotlighted

if they pay us for these tasks, do they not OWN us?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 1:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Poverty is the worst form of violence.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

why are we not updating it?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

yes, that sounds familiar

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:02 AM★ Spotlighted

you can't make sense of 'crazy' maybe thats it.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:03 AM★ Spotlighted

I think, the reason they cause poverty is so we will work for less. A person sees all those people with nice things, they want it. They will get loans to get those things. debt will make us work for less. its efficient for them to do this garbage.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:03 AM

not me, i assure you.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:03 AM

exactly, kelly

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:03 AM

LOL I have not seen it with my own eyes. but i KNOW robin is not :)

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM

I can make sense of crazy

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM

thanks for the vote of confidence, kelly =D

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM

Just an idea.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM

OH its planned.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:04 AM★ Spotlighted

i'm sure your idea is right, kelly.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:05 AM★ Spotlighted

I can see it all over the place.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:05 AM★ Spotlighted

i'm sick of it!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:05 AM

for sure. america has 7 contries on the list.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:05 AM

1954 first economic hitman.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:06 AM

they have 2 ways of inpoverishing a country.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

>; [ at america

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:07 AM

like every kid, we must grow up and take responsibility for our actions.

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:07 AM★ Spotlighted

hello everyone, going to try to jump in

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:08 AM★ Spotlighted

hi becca =]

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:08 AM★ Spotlighted

You get the world bank into a country by getting an economic hitman to get the country to take loans to, have western culture, stuff. They take the loan and cannot pay it back. well your selling your oil to us for cheap then. DOWN with the world bank

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:08 AM

another homerun for kelly!

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:09 AM★ Spotlighted

well, they kinda do, rebecca.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:09 AM★ Spotlighted

IF the economic hit man fails (strong leader) you send in the jackels, the kill the person.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:10 AM

shhhhhhhhhhh. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:10 AM

IF you cannot get to him and kill him, like with so dam insane LOL. suddam hiusien? THEN send in the troops we are going to war.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:10 AM

vicious cycle

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:11 AM

highlight that one quik get it in context :0.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:11 AM

LOL

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:11 AM

I need more character space LMAO :0

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:11 AM

yep

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:11 AM

LMAO yes

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

this is all outrageous, rebecca. can we actually do anything about it?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:12 AM

its all about getting the profit. so, what is money? I think it is OUR energy put into doing the tasks that make things possible. :)

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:13 AM★ Spotlighted

exactly

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:13 AM

thats what it should be, kelly

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:14 AM

oh! i have not heard of it

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:14 AM

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:15 AM

Iraqs main thing was concrete LMAO I do concrete its HUGE money. so when the war in iraq was on, instead of HELPING the people who work there, they brought in their own concrete companies. iraqie coe of concrete companies were selling for cheap.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:15 AM

the iraqy people started to kidnap the ceo's so they could not sell.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:16 AM

totally gunna read those rebecca

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:16 AM★ Spotlighted

yeah as soon as i typed that my comp battery died! its been that kind of day for me lol

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:16 AM★ Spotlighted

i'd like to see more intermediate technology implemented in the us too. =] we don't need some the expensive. things.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:17 AM★ Spotlighted

what do you mean by intermediat?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:17 AM

my spelling sucks LOL.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:18 AM

I dont even have a phone :)

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:18 AM★ Spotlighted

less ambitious 'products' to take care of needs.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:18 AM★ Spotlighted

more basic

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:18 AM

I am trying to make a whole idea of it me and my cousin and our 2 friends, and anyone else whop wants to help. THIS IS THE YEAR LETS DO IT.

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

I like thinking about the reverse of "keeping up with the Jones'" I was just telling my husband, "Oh man so-and-so got a new iphone" and he goes "Damn, now I gotta get rid of my TV!" lol

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:19 AM

idea of what, kelly?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

greenhouses, small free energy, getting off grid outta their control.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:19 AM

yes! wonderful!

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:20 AM

haha becca! great!

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes its ridiculous

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

YES!!!! rebecca

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:21 AM

We will be setting up the greenhouse this year or the next. I will keep everyone posted, what ever way I can.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:21 AM

exciting, kelly

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:21 AM

we need food, water, and shelter in certain environments.

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

as for investment in any economy (not just undeveloped), i think widespread education should be the #1 investment

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

and love.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:22 AM★ Spotlighted

and good health

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:23 AM

oh yeah

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:23 AM

what becca? teach growing food and building stuff in school? LOL

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:23 AM★ Spotlighted

I wish but at same time. I do not like the idea of any force, kids should be able to research what ever they want :0.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:24 AM★ Spotlighted

once again, we are at the human bahavoir.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:25 AM

NICE well said.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:26 AM★ Spotlighted

education is not an affair of telling and being told, but an active and constructive process. john dewey

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:26 AM

breaking out the philosophy woot woot.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:26 AM

well played, kelly

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:27 AM

NO anything can be used good or bad its about US.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:27 AM

yes

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

but not in the traditional sense, it needs to be done by example.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

the 'awareness 'factor is prime in any major endeavor

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

we can't think our kids will do it IF we don't show them.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:29 AM

I gotta read some on shcumacher.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:30 AM★ Spotlighted

i am terrible with organization and discipline. am i hopeless then"

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:30 AM★ Spotlighted

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:30 AM

cuz it true LOL

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM★ Spotlighted

but i don't WANT them. = D they feel tight. restricting.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM

I have grwon so mucb in 2 years

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM

and at 36 i gained an inch in hight

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM

holy cow kelly!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM

YES

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:31 AM

My will is INSANE.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:32 AM

I know my desire very very well.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:32 AM

arnt ya glad im with these ideas :).

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:32 AM

can you make me taller, too? 4' 11" isn't enough

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:32 AM

We can try :)

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:33 AM

deal

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:33 AM

IF we could WOW, that would be something.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:33 AM

FOR sure

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:33 AM

;]

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:34 AM★ Spotlighted

loosely organized might be ok

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:34 AM★ Spotlighted

I will by trying for it, lets ALL try for it BUT

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:34 AM★ Spotlighted

Act without worrying about the results, and strive for excellence without dwelling on it. If we put all of ournhearts into what we do without complaining, we can become one with the "Way."nAct without worrying about the results, and strive for excell

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:35 AM★ Spotlighted

ence.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:35 AM★ Spotlighted

with the changes i'd like to see in the world, loosley would work.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:36 AM

LOL it double typed, thats why it was too long LOL.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:36 AM

beautiful, kelly

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:36 AM

NICE never ending tawk WOOT.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:36 AM★ Spotlighted

what kind of organizing are you referring to?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:37 AM

example?

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:37 AM★ Spotlighted

waveofaction?

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:39 AM★ Spotlighted

need some flexibility in the organization and focus on the main goal

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:39 AM

that will be good

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:40 AM★ Spotlighted

then we need to bring them together and show them they are on the same side, how can we do this? Can we lead people to an awakening by asking them the right question? will you need different questions for everyone? HEHEHEHE

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:40 AM

good one.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

YES it is important.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:41 AM

YES exactly.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

very palatable!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I need my megaphone LOL.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:42 AM

We all are great but then doesnt it lose all meaning? so are we not all human? :0

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:42 AM

that would be fun!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:42 AM

good ol george carlin strike agian :)

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

when some folks resonate with each other, it feels extra special

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:43 AM

me and wayne had an idea.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:43 AM

MICS and a chat room.

Becca GambsMar 11, 2014, 2:43 AM★ Spotlighted

its difficult to unite people when the powerful like to keep us divided

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:43 AM★ Spotlighted

yes. its fun to stay at the ymca!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

BUT if we all unite, think of what we could do.

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM

venus project :0.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM

then we'd see our true potential

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM

get that plug in there :)

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM

see if we can make robin graw taller :)

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:44 AM

might be too late kelly

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:45 AM★ Spotlighted

thank you rebecca!

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:45 AM

I'm sorry I missed the first ones.

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:45 AM

there are many to be had of both

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

chapter 2? i must be ahead of myself

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

yep yep good bye everyone, have a good life. :) talk to you all sone :)

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:46 AM★ Spotlighted

bye kelly and all

kelly mackinMar 11, 2014, 2:46 AM

soon casper again LOL

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:47 AM

yes casper

Robin MaynardMar 11, 2014, 2:47 AM

oh, then i am way behind

Kenneth HillJun 16, 2014, 4:24 AM

Hey there