Eleanor Goldfield

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Sports: It's not just a game

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Lee Camp

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Jun 17, 2014

Activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp dissect the cult-like world of professional sports and how big corporations can get away with anything in the name of the "game." Oh, and #BoycottWorldCup

Lee Camp · 10:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Okay...let the sports bashing party begin! Well...I may miss the first 15 minutes but I will be in full bashing mode when I get back cause that's what I'm in the mood for...bashing! Ha! Oh and I love you Lee, remember that?! ;)”

Lee Camp · 10:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Hey there Eleanor and Lee! :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining this week's REVOLTING tawk! Make sure you let all your friends know that you're here

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey EVERYBODIES! How ya doin? Say hi to the always-awesome-but-sometimes-weird ELEANOR!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

sometimes weird?

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Okay, I've used up my caps for the rest of the hour.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

I thought you knew me better than that ;)

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Don't deny it.

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Can everybody do us a favor and tell people you're here! FB it and Twitter it and Uber it.

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Cheers to the real people who actually give a shit.”

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Mattrick - I agree.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

I happily admit it. I am so weird that I am the only person who wasn't celebrating the Kings winning the Stanley Cup

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Hell, I didn't even know they were playing until I literally ran into a mob leaving the Staples center in downtown LA

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Am I the only person who didn't know the Stanley Cup was happening?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

I wouldn't have been blissfully ignorant if it weren't for a drunken mob giving me shit for being sober and not wearing a Kings jersey

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

I mean I would have been blissfully ignorant...

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

By the way, this isn't only a sports bashing tawk - we'll certainly do some of that, but we'll talk about all sides of it. I certainly played a shit load of sports when I was younger, and I think Eleanor did too.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“are there any sports you like and/or follow?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

I was a softball beast :)

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“whats the stanley cup?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

And I still do follow baseball to some extent, but I think the key is to understand that it's a game

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

Lucy - It's where hundreds of guys named Stanley are judged on just how Stanley they are.

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

Once a softball beast, always a softball beast.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

yeah, i guess i still am a beast. thanks for making me all self conscious, Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“I traded b-ball for skateboarding off rooftops”

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Anyway, I guess let's start with the World Cup - since everyone is talking about it.

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“congrats on Redacted tonight Lee. killer show”

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Thanks Phil! We're just trying to get the word out about it.

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

There are those who say the World Cup is crucial to millions of people and that's why it's worth the money - there are also those who say cities will spend billions on stadiums and yet let their citizens struggle or starve.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

because it's true

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

brazil spent $270 million on building a stadium that will be used FOUR TIMES

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

after which it's completely useless b/c none of brazil's teams can fill it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

meanwhile, 250,000 people have been evicted from their homes and there are riots in the streets...

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

also - almost none of the money made off of the world cup goes to brazil, it goes to FIFA

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

so, it's not like brazil will make much of that investment back. yet somehow they can't pay to feed starving kids...hmmmm, sounds familiar

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ah yes,FIFA. the most corrupt,baseless,meaningless corporation on earth. maybe second only to the banks”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“In my opinion sports are part of the roman philosophy of bread and circuses, Entertainment meant to distract and appease the masses. I put much more stock in intellectual or social pursuits.”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

And FIFA claims to be a nonprofit

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

with over a billion dollars in "reserve"

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

It claims it's holding on to billions for "emergencies"

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - like fuck they are”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Hello Eleanor and Lee! Good to read from you!!”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“This is a great tawk as my husband is glued to the tube watching the World Cup! Excellent! Continue the bashing! ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

turn off the TV, lisa!!

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Ha. Good to see we caused a household civil war

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Perhaps it wasn't bright of us to hold a Tawk on sports while everyone in the world is too busy watching sports to attend!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“hit your husband with the lsd squirt gun lisa”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“Can you ask him what the score is Lisa? j/k”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

We should've said we were live-tweeting the world cup, then this might really take off.

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I'm trying...I've even resorted to standing naked right in front of the TV and nothing...he just cocked his head to the side saying he couldn't see the screen. ”

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

For some odd reason no one ever tries that technique on me when I'm doing Tawkers.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

damn. he must really love soccer.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

john oliver had a good bit about the world cup on his show - with a montage of people saying that soccer is literally like a religion

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

i mean they've fought wars over it in south america

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Hahaha...well, he has been raised and brain washed starting since he was a little kid to think sports is a very important aspect of life. Uh...news flash...it's not! I tell this all the time but the brain washing is DEEP!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mikael Saha

“ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?”

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

I don't mind sports except when they're used as bread and circuses to keep people dumb and docile - which is most of the time.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

that is a good point, lisa. my ex used to literally throw tantrums when his team lost. it was like a complete instantaneous devolution over a fucking game

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“oh and now the head of FIFA thinks that in years to come,football will be played in outer space....yes he really said that”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“We are meant to feel like we are part of the "Team" and therefore have some "impact" on the greater picture. Some guy puts a ball through a hole, makes millions. Cure cancer? Take care of our sick or educate our children. Just above the poverty line.”

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Yeah, the Romans had it right - give them the gladiators. UFC is more popular than ever while the empire collapses (and I don't just mean the US empire)

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I can think of a few better forms of entertainment that can get your heart pumping and it's healthy for you too! ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

@Mike - that's a really good point. People tend to talk about their teams as "we" "we had a good game"

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“one of the fascinating (to me) things about sports in America is the way the military has become inexorably linked with them”

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

Ben - You're SOO right.

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

Every ball game is about the troops and jets fly over head and there are nationalist symbols everywhere.

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“Its all one big cult distraction. Thats why they have the President go out and throw the first ball to the 'psychological children'. Bid State Daddy is out playing silly ball games with us”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

roman empire, cough cough

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

To be fair - 50 Cent has also thrown out a first pitch, as did a cat recently.

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

But then again both of those people/things are kind of our leaders.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

I went to a Mets game on 4th of July a couple of years ago. They even dragged up 9/11

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“while the psychopaths that claim to own us do the real dark shit behind the 'sports charade'”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

It was amazing - every stereotypical "USA USA" bullshit cliche they could drag up, they did

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Hahaha...well, we have pretty high standard Lee...the President...50 cent...a cat. Those are pretty high on the list!”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“it's an amazing tool for socializing us all to believe that the military is always this heroic force for good”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“Sports are part of the antithinking agenda”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Eleanor - I believe you told me you fall for it all when it's a Mets game.

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

I think I fall for it all when it's the US Open

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“Maybe the world cup is (or should be) the last acceptable form of nationalism?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

I'll stand up and sing the national anthem but not without a shit ton of cynicism - but i don't think that carries

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“The brain washing started so far back I lost track to exactly when but what has kept the glory of sports up is families passing it down from generation to generation. It's an emotional brain washing. It's sick!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

That's true too. I don't think my father and I would be as close as we are today if I hadn't played sports growing up

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

I just like that our national song talks about bombs. It's only right.

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“ugh how i wish i could go back to giving a shit about shit that doesn't matter, like sports”

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

I hear ya, Ben.

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

I wish I could go to a sporting event and now think about the children who made the uniforms. That would be delightful, no?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“personally I love playing soccer; I don't think we should be hating on the game”

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“Lee, love redacted tonight btw”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@Eric - that's the problem. It is, as you say, a GAME

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

Eric - I don't think anyone insulted the actual game.

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“so what do we do about FIFA and the goons who control the game?”

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mikael Saha

“Thank you Eleanor. Yes good point.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

I think people should play sports - it's great for kids, and hell, I still like going to batting cages to let off steam, but when a game takes precedent over the well being of a country...that's just fucked up

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“it's sad that people in general, around the world, care more about their local soccer team more than they do about their starving neighbors.”

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Yeah, sports are important for socialization and health and all that shit. I don't think the act of playing is bad.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Ben - I know more people could tell you the scores of the last 5 Dodger games than tell you how many homeless there are in LA county

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Of course sports was also the way the bigger kids beat the shit out of the little kids and got a pat on the back for it. Gym class was honestly Lord of The Flies.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Every class someone lost a limb or walked off the field with thousands of dollars of later therapy required.

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - so fucking true!”

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“It seems to reinforce the simulation of war and teaching kids to compete against fellow humans rather than work together”

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

We even use the war terminology in sports - hit the target, etc. etc. I think Carlin did a bit on it.

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Sports certainly can help teach discipline, responsibility and work ethic.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

Oh yeah, he did a bit about baseball vs. football

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

how much more violent football sounds with their terminology

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

brilliant

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Sports in America remains a very powerful distraction from extremely important events.”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

How many more people know which world cup game is on than know what's happening in Iraq or Syria.

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I recently ran a marathon in Portland, Oregon. First time I've ever been there. Beautiful city. Very green friendly but the amount of homeless people were astounding. My heart was heavy as I ran pass all these homeless communities. Yes...communities ”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“hey guys”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“and parents omg, they get into their kids sports more than the kids care”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

Yeah, that's another problem - when the kids are really playing for their parents.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Locker

“From a health aspect I agree. put down the x box and the calitrin and get active.and just not from an armchair”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

A lot of parents living through their kids

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“aren't football player shooting themselves in the chest so doctors can study their head injuries?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

yeah, one player did that. the average life expectancy for a football player is 54

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Sports is the ultimate form of advertising on the pro level it seems.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

@Drew - absolutely. That's another reason it's so "important" to our culture

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

I think a 30 second ad spot on superbowl day is a few million

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Quick note - for everybody who watches Redacted Tonight, my co-star John ODonnell is in the room!

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“It fucking blows my mind where they come up with the money to pay those athletes.”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Hey hey”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mikael Saha

“Greetings John”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

hi john!

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Hello John,you fun ball you! X”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“the salaries go up, ticket prices go up, squeezes the lower classes out of the stadiums, ahhh just what they wanted to do”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“LOVE LOVE REDACTED!!! Hey Lee, when am I getting an invite?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

good point ben. it's not even entertainment for the "plebs"

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Lisa, say hi to John. Be polite god damnit!

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I could be the water girl ;)”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Thanx Lucy!! You rawk”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“the yankees have seriously fucked up their fan base”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Oh sorry...hi John! So now can I come?”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

Depends on what your husband does for you Lisa.

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

We hope to have outside audience down the road one day.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“That an oryx and crake reference Eleanore?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

@phil - not that i'm aware of but could be

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“back to soccer, the hockey of the feet....is it not the most ridiculous sport ever? they should just call it running after a ball around a field. how many times can soccer fans get excited to get the ball near the goal to not score?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

@Ben - most sports are pretty damn silly once you break them down

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“As a kid, my dad and I used to go to white sox games. My dad didn't make a lot of money, but we managed to go several times a year. Now the cost is getting prohibitive. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

which again, is fine, but they shouldn't be a religion

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - take the show on the road (hint hint) i wanna ogle the JFOD!!!”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Do people think certain sports are more important than others? Or is it all the same shit?

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“totally ben! running a dead animal skin up and down a fucking field while people scream like they are saving lives is a culture of insanity”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“Currently living in Spain but damn these guys are obsessed with football”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Watching soccer is I believe. But you gota be fit to play that shit and its fun. Its actually much more aggressive then it looks.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@Mike - the only time I can go to a Mets game nowadays is if I go with my dad. Dodger games are relatively reasonable but shit - ticket prices and then the ridiculous price of "food" and drinks. christ

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

Drew - you have to be fit to be a good coal miner too, doesn't have many live audience members though.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@Alin - oh yeah. Europe is obsessed

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

And coal miners get paid slightly less.

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

If people would be so passionate about the world as they are for their favorite sport teams, there would be a revolution right now on the streets!

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“this chat is really fun! almost as fun as watching Lee Camp's videos!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

And I can understand how people get into it. I was in Sweden during the world cup a few years ago and it's damn difficult to completely ignore all the energy around it

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

It's time for me to declare my undying love for Ben Hertz.

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“people are only passionate about what effects them at this very second”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“It is ALL the same shit! If we could all just treat it as a game where people find common ground then fine but no...let's inject it with capitalism at its finest. That's called marketing. Ugh!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

people band together, there's a sense of community - people just randomly hugging each other in the streets

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

I always think about how earth-shattering it would be if one of the top athletes came out and said they couldn't wear Nike anymore (or whatever brand) until they paid fair wages and had safe conditions.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

but at the core, it's a bit like drugs - might make the evening more fun until you realize you're supporting vicious drug cartels

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“And, hellllooooo Eleanor!!! You supasta!!!”

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“that would be prettyt awesome Lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

One thing's for sure : At the world cup I'M CHEERING FOR THE PROTESTERS !!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

@Tukro - amen.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“I wonder if they will still have NASCAR when gas is 20.00 a gallon”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“the good news for the poor of brazil is, there will be lots of garbage for them to pick thru after next week”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

considering how well sponsored that fucking "sport" is, i'd assume so dennis

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - that would be an altering mind fuck if that did happen! ”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

I wonder if they would kick him off the team or what.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“I'm glad I didn't catch the virus of soccer, got vaccineted by my dad who used to take the TV away to watch game with his friends right when we wanted to watch cartoons. That was in the communist regime of Ceausescu in Romania!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“you know what gets me? why has it taken a game of football to high light the plight of the those in Brazil? or is that just me?”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

And I wonder what Wimbledon would do to a tennis player

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - of course they would. It's not about the athlete anymore. It's about the endorsements. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

@Lucy - well, I think things got so much worse b/c of the world cup being held there. before that it was bad but "business as usual." now it's the added atrocity of even holding the damn games there

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cas Davis

“To start this chaotic splurging session, I want to apologize to all, for a recent attempt (by myself) ,to incite a panic about possible "psy-ops", concerning the”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“pretty much no top athlete dares takes anything but a mainstream political stance nowawadays if they even dare so much as that”

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“nike is a great advertiser though, how else could you get people who can't afford your products to buy them every 2 weeks, and wait in line for new ones. wtf is wrong with people”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

@Ben - the masterminds of marketing

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cas Davis

“Solar Roads project... :/..... oops....”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“If we spent as much time on education, and debating the direction we are going, as we do on debating whether or A or B is going to win the Superbowl, maybe the government wouldnt have its hand in our pants, and the corporations their dick in our ass!”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

Ben - I love how Phil Night defending Paterno (and the child raping that went on under him) and then took it back 6 months later. Way to go Phil. Upstanding guy.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

just think about the day after thanks giving @Ben ... that says it all

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Okay, sports. They are fun to play and watch and I support their existence. BUT BUT BUT people who fucking define their existence by the sports teams that are fans of are missing the boat of life. Grow up and find some meaning in your own life...”

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

John nailed it.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Personally I'd love to see Eleanor and Dick Cheney in a cage match. ”

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

It's kinda perfectly tragic that our football stars lose their minds or die by 45 because they literally destroyed themselves for our entertainment.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

hahaha Mike - I have youth and agility on my side...not to mention viking rage, BUT I have a feeling he'd bring drones to a cage fight...

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Does El get to wear her boots?

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

New age Gladiators @Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

Lee, I never go anywhere without my boots.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

And very well put, John

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“By defining one's life around sports, they are living in a fantasy world where everything but sports is a scary mess they don't want to deal with. How do we make the truth more appealing, and the Maya less appealing?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“Panem et circensis, that's what the masses want since the Roman Empire”

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

Ah, the fantasy world. Escapism at its best. I worry about the time when 3D goggles get good enough that people can literally live in their sport (or world) of choice.

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Forster

“I love when 'grown men & women' wear sports jerseys LOL ridiculous”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

Well, I think the trick is to make the truth entertaining, just like sports. and to find that sense of community, of cohesion, through reality, not just escapism

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Jeff - It's truly sad to see people putting their allegiance behind a particular sports star as if he/she is their savior.

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“AND on top of that, athletes these days have the social conscience of fruit flies. They have such an opportunity to motivate their adoring fans to better this world, but instead they shill for insurance co. fast food chains, big telecomm. PATHETIC!!!”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

John - that was hard on fruit flies.

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - ah yes but then will come a time when those that be will infiltrate the google glasses and make people live the lives the big corps want. much like they did in V for Vendetta”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

not really Lee. clearly you've never had to fight fruit flies for your morning fruit salad

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Another case of living vicariously through others. And I'm not sure what vicariously means. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Since the early 1900's, and the Dewey philosophy of practical education rather than academic, the explosion of sports enthusiasm has taken over. Culturally this country is fucked. What we need, I think, is to conceptualize and make real a new culture”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“it was disappointing seeing Peyton Manning get with Papa Johns”

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Mike - I think it's a kind of wafer snack.

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“how about the worshipping of atheletes and entertainers? look up to your parents, your boss, your teacher. not the guy who brings a gun into the club and shoots himself or holds dog fighting in his backyard”

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“sports will become unimportant when the stores run out of food not untill that happens will people wake up”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

@Ben Risch - yes - those corporate alliances. big sports starts do campaigns for pretty much anyone

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“the new 'gods' of athletes and 'celebs' celebrating ego worship”

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“and do these atheletes even understand the impact they have on these childrens' minds”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

@Ben Hertz - good point. I saw a stat somewhere that said that about 40% of NFL players have a history of assault

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

What's even more frustrating is that NOT ONE single national player spoke out against the corruption of FIFA and how inhuman it is how the people in Brazil are being treated over this silly circus called World Cup!

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“how many millions is enough?”

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Ben - speaking of how many millions, did you hear about that NFL player who left millions on the table and walked away after reading Chomsky and realizing sports was not all life had to offer?

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Eleanor, I heard some of your music. I dig it! You're the real mothafuckin' thang!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Damn lee - I didn't hear about that, but awesome!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

And thank you John, glad you dig it :)

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

Here's the article on him leaving football - http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/12/nfl-player-cites-noam-chomsky-among-reasons-he-quit-playing-pro-football/

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“i think i did ctach that actually”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

but to be fair, it seems like there aren't any athletes of any sport who ever speak out and stand up for the people! And then they all say Muhammd Ali was their idol? Too bad none of them have the balls to man up as Ali has done against Vietnam War!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“@eleanor, i'm sure getting hit the way they do doesn't make them better people either.”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Or the soap opera star who drank Ayahuasca quit his job and called his fans stupid? haha”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

yeah, i probably wouldn't be as chipper (and i'm already not) if i was repeatedly bashed in the head by an overpaid, overweight line backer

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Yes, Ali did some impressive shit - of course he was also a complicated racist man who met with the KKK because he agreed with not allowing interracial marriage. So I guess people are complicated.

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“By the way Lee, your show still doesn't suck!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“everything gets more extreme too. soon they'll have full contact tennis i'm sure”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Thanks Mike. John ODonnell is here too - so he thanks you as well I'm sure.

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“I would assume everybody involved in this talk has read Howard Zinn A peoples history. Am I wrong?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“boxing is now too boring for people. they need cage fighting. what's next, mortal combat IRL?”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Ben - We need more blooooooood!

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Yup, he is pretty good too!”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“Hey I do enjoy the UFC you become a mixed martial artist you weak bitch.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“they should just chant, KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

i think they do, ben

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“It is the confidence that this country is being handled correctly that affords people the leisure of watching sports instead of getting involved in the political process. If that energy of enthusiasm were directed in a constructive direction...”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Drew - why so eloquent?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

@mattrick - it is blissful and often times willful ignorance

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“LOL drew, why u mad”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

people think getting involved with politics is too messy, too complicated

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

sports isn't. it's a ball, a net, a bat, whatever. it's simple and gives them the evolutionary trigger of belonging

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“maybe we can turn politics into a bloodsport!!!!!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

isn't it already Ben?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - thats why programs like Redacted Tonight are important right now.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

very true, Lucy.

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

It was actually really fascinating to see the protest by the basketball players after the Donald Sterling racism. They took off their jerseys and dropped them in the middle of the court. Every news channel covered it on loop. And I thought to myself-

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

"They're able to protest?!!!!"

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

Why don't they protest all kinds of shit?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

any sort of creative and entertaining way of disseminating truth is incredibly important right now

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

They ONLY care about the racism of an owner?! That's it?!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

Yep - and they didn't even care before that

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I bet people would be glued to the TV if their senators and representatives were going at each other in a caged ring. ”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

El - what do you mean?

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“That would be interesting Lee, to get the players of sports to wake from their juice induced comas and see how badly they and the rest of society are being fucked by this system that gives not a shit about them!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

Sterling was well known as being a sexist racist piece of shit

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

but no one cared until the media cared

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jeff Forster

“Going back to the World Cup briefly - I know someone who lives in San Pablo, Brazil. It's so congested their that it takes him over 2 hours to drive 15 miles to work. I can't even imagine what the traffic is like right now there b/c of the WC.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

then all of a sudden all the players and fans had to care b/c the cat was out of the bag

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

El - good point.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“Sports trumps their grandchildren.”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Let me in there with them Lisa. I'll reason with them to death. ”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Lee, with that I thought, "They ONLY dropped their jerseys and then decided to practice?...I guess $millions makes it tough to really stand up for something, even overt racism."”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

That's true. They still played the game and still stuck to the dress code.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“you have to be pretty committed to a sport to be excited about your government spending billions of dollars they dont have on arenas that are never going to be filled again, instead of say....getting people clean water or electricity.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“talking about what media cares, I don't care what media cares about”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Drew Ingles

“I think people may be starting to wake up more. I think the internet needs to keep improving to educate and organize people.”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mikael Saha

“am now licking the chicken. Yes lee full contact no holds barred debates.”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Mikael - your play by play of your chicken should probably be X rated.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

@Drew, and it is. If we can keep net neutrality...sigh. The internet is the central hub for free-flowing information and not just who paris hilton is fucking

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Don't want to piss off the sponsors. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Something that Erik Fromm spoke about in his book The Sane Society, was the trivialization of sports. It was an interesting idea. The fact that it has been turned into a beer drinking retardation fest instead of a prolific test of wills and strength.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i think a new sport should be sending the bankers to jail.”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Cas Davis

“So.... while there's so many ppl around.... anyone have any ideas that concern "Solutions", when it come to all the problems in our world, today?”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“To modified quote Ted Alexandro: "It's good to know that old rich white man can still own black people, just as long as he pays them some $ to run up and down a court."”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

ha, lucy - like carlin's joke about sending all the macho guys to an island, giving them whisky and pcp and watching as they kill each other

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Cas - We talk a lot about solutions in these Tawks.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

Yep John - AND they won't make a stink about it until mass media tells them they should

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

We've gone over them many times, so I don't think it's that bad to spend some time on whether sports should be so all-consuming.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@El that would be a lovely sentence for the bankers”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“This is a video that I made about the direction our system is going in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aceJOEQ8Rhg”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“If we don't watch the games, they become irrelevant. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

@Mike - if a majority of people stuck to the idea of #BoycottWorldCup, you better believe that shit would suffer.

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Alin Jurca

“The newest form of slavery is that the slavemaster doesn't need to take care of the slave anymore”

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“i'm really enjoying this chat but i have to get back to work. Lee, it was great speaking with you. can't wait to watch redacted tonight. Eleanor, thanks for being here and hosting.”

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Thanks Ben!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Eleanor, the athletes are too invested in it. It's all about the endorsement deals. They don't care. Or aren't informed. Or both. And, believe it or not, athletes that are. CAN'T GET INTO THE LEAGUES. Even if they are talented enough...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

oh absolutely, john

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

but it's the same logic i use for the music scene: if enough people stood up and said, you know what, this is bullshit - this is how it needs to be

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

the powers-that-be would take notice, b/c just like music fans, the players have the fans, not the corporations behind the players

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

It's kinda amazing that there's more room for the media to talk about what a player like Dennis Rodman says than there would be for an athlete who talks politics.

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“oh btw, Michael jordan is now a billionaire. just FYI”

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

The poorest Koch Brother only has one billion dollars. The other two have 100 billion. ...Oh, and then there's a gay one they disowned.

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“What drives players to cheat. I'll give you a hint: bankers love it. ”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“what would be really great would if someone "untouchable" like a peyton manning or a pre affairs tiger woods would somehow get informed and spoeak up about various things”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

Ben - It would be chaos if that happened. It would be wonderful.

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“oh boo hoo, only 1 billion what a scrub. go get a job!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“You really think that the owners want a basketball player speaking out against the Prison-Industrial Complex? Hell no. And what's fucked, is if that player came from the inner city, he's most likely got family members who are stuck in it!!”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Ben - I would cum hard if that happened! Hahaha... You may have to sensor this comment. ”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“@john that's right! everyone in the hood is looking for their lottery ticket out whether the actual lottery, rapping, or basketball”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from John O'Donnell

“Oh everybody, speaking of the Koch Bros, did everybody see Lee and mine segment on it? Not trying to ram the show down people's throats. But I'm proud of what we're doing. I think it's relevant. And I want eyeballs on it!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“The mentality of the hustle is what leads people to believe in sports. If I can only make it into the major leagues, I can be a billionaire one day. Every homeless person is a soon to be millionaire too. It all comes down to wanting money and fame.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

interestingly enough mattrick, a lot of players end up being lower class bc they spend all their money. they go from poor to filthy rich and don't know how to handle the money so they end up losing it.

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Here's the ENTIRE Episode 3 from Redacted Tonight - http://leecamp.net/episode-3-of-redacted-tonight/

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

it is, of course, an incentive to go practice your curve ball

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

You can also follow info about the show at Facebook.com/RedactedTonight

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Valerie Spellman

“meanwhile fox & friends thinks dodgeball should be banned from schools..thoughts?”

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“@Lee, Congrats on your new show on RT by the way!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

wtf Valerie - really?!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

well, at least they're reporting on real issues

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Lastly - My podcast is back and better than ever. The Moment of Clarity podcast is an hour long and comes out every Tuesday. Co-hosted by John F ODonnell

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Valerie Spellman

“http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-and-friends/blog/2014/06/17/us-schools-develop-nicer-version-gym-class”

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Hahaha... Eleanor! Hahaha... You're awesome. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

damn - it's 5!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Here's a link to the latest podcast - http://leecamp.net/podcast-291-john-f-odonnell-and-i-talk-isis-bulletproof-shields-and-the-upcoming-redacted-tonight/

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

keep talking everyone - we'll be back next week. if you have topics ideas, let us know!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

We made it over 1,000 readers tonight! Thanks for coming!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Every Tuesday at 7pm EST, 4pm PST

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Listen to Eleanor's music!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I would love to sit here and continue bashing this fascinating topic but...nature and duty calls. Lee - I want to see you soon. Eleanor - you Rock! To the rest - Peace out! ”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“friend me on facebook to share ideas!”

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Thanks all. Keep Revolting!!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Thank you both for putting this on, it was a pleasure!”

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Barry HamillJun 17, 2014, 2:55 AM

sports ...its no longer about the game but a tool for companies to sell their crap

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 4:48 AM

Many people think that sports are important, even necessary in our modern civilized society. We think that we are beyond the sort of brutal violence that existed for thousands of years up until America decided football was better.

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 1:27 PM

I don't follow sports because I become amused & disgusted thinking of the once lers. They are selfish & greedy dogs. JohnhyO did a great job breaking it down for us now didn't he and the FIFI.

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 1:30 PM

American football with all their padding, helmets and special gear showing he world foots, yards and inches and the lovelies in their very short shorts always with a smile.

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 10:19 PM

Imagine a protest of the Federal Reserve, where a million people converge in front of the FED in new york, and everyone burns a one dollar bill! Then, they disperse like nothing happened.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 10:52 PM★ Spotlighted

Okay...let the sports bashing party begin! Well...I may miss the first 15 minutes but I will be in full bashing mode when I get back cause that's what I'm in the mood for...bashing! Ha! Oh and I love you Lee, remember that?! ;)

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 10:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Hey there Eleanor and Lee! :-)

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:00 PM★ Spotlighted

Cheers to the real people who actually give a shit.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:01 PM

i already have Mr Lee sir. now where's my cookie?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:01 PM★ Spotlighted

whats the stanley cup?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:02 PM★ Spotlighted

are there any sports you like and/or follow?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:03 PM

i was awesome at baseball and i can give a great game of pool :-)

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:03 PM

@Lee - well thank you for clearing that up

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

I traded b-ball for skateboarding off rooftops

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:04 PM★ Spotlighted

congrats on Redacted tonight Lee. killer show

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:04 PM

i was also a mean tennis player,could have made something of it too if my teachers said i hit the ball too hard

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:05 PM

perfect way to do it. psychopaths cant handle humor. you ever see Joycamps work?

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

In my opinion sports are part of the roman philosophy of bread and circuses, Entertainment meant to distract and appease the masses. I put much more stock in intellectual or social pursuits.

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:06 PM

Football is tribalistic, watered down tribal warfare, two teams fighting eachoter. If you are gonna watch sports, atleast watch combat sports, The pure form.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:06 PM

the world cup is meaningless,i my opinion. same with the world cup for baseball. its just a game where grown men play with balls. its not like they dont do that anyways

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:06 PM

Sports enthusiasm is the inevitable conclusion of a poor education system!

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:07 PM

Sports is just about advertising

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

ah yes,FIFA. the most corrupt,baseless,meaningless corporation on earth. maybe second only to the banks

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:07 PM★ Spotlighted

Hello Eleanor and Lee! Good to read from you!!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - like fuck they are

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

This is a great tawk as my husband is glued to the tube watching the World Cup! Excellent! Continue the bashing!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:08 PM

oh yes,in case one of them brake a nail or their lear jet brakes down

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

hit your husband with the lsd squirt gun lisa

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

Can you ask him what the score is Lisa? j/k

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm trying...I've even resorted to standing naked right in front of the TV and nothing...he just cocked his head to the side saying he couldn't see the screen.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:10 PM

FIFA have their won courts to dish out jail time. dont matter what country they are in either - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/04/brazil-world-cup-courts

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:10 PM

*own

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:10 PM

You have a tv in your house?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:11 PM

@Lee - they do lee,you just arent looking in the right direction

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:11 PM

It seems like sports in America keeps the stupid people down and in place.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:12 PM

like the line in the movie Gladiator

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

Hahaha...well, he has been raised and brain washed starting since he was a little kid to think sports is a very important aspect of life. Uh...news flash...it's not! I tell this all the time but the brain washing is DEEP!

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:12 PM★ Spotlighted

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

oh and now the head of FIFA thinks that in years to come,football will be played in outer space....yes he really said that

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

We are meant to feel like we are part of the "Team" and therefore have some "impact" on the greater picture. Some guy puts a ball through a hole, makes millions. Cure cancer? Take care of our sick or educate our children. Just above the poverty line.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

I can think of a few better forms of entertainment that can get your heart pumping and it's healthy for you too! ;)

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

one of the fascinating (to me) things about sports in America is the way the military has become inexorably linked with them

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:14 PM

and the americans go WAY over the top when one of their team scores/wins the game

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:14 PM

Oh yes lisa, many.

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:14 PM★ Spotlighted

Its all one big cult distraction. Thats why they have the President go out and throw the first ball to the 'psychological children'. Bid State Daddy is out playing silly ball games with us

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:14 PM

right, it's crazy

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:14 PM

If only wars could be won or lost on a football field :)

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:15 PM

@Lee - and that was just the opening ceremony

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

while the psychopaths that claim to own us do the real dark shit behind the 'sports charade'

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:15 PM

lol

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

Hahaha...well, we have pretty high standard Lee...the President...50 cent...a cat. Those are pretty high on the list!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM

wait wait...who threw a dead cat? :-O and how far did it go?

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

Sports are part of the antithinking agenda

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

it's an amazing tool for socializing us all to believe that the military is always this heroic force for good

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM

you know the FBI is investigating FIFA?

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM

more mind control. Social engineering 101. Group think and crowd psychology

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:16 PM

It is a wonderful venue to drag out and sell your wares/philosphy

Eric RheinheimerJun 17, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

Maybe the world cup is (or should be) the last acceptable form of nationalism?

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:17 PM

And notice how they often sing the american national anthem at games. I also supporter culture reinforces 'hive behaviour' of people acting as one, chants etc.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:17 PM

i see a sporting challenge between Lee and Eleanor.....

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

The brain washing started so far back I lost track to exactly when but what has kept the glory of sports up is families passing it down from generation to generation. It's an emotional brain washing. It's sick!

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:17 PM

ha ha .. I think Titan needs some Freedom!! That was a classic.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:18 PM

weightlifting.....

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

ugh how i wish i could go back to giving a shit about shit that doesn't matter, like sports

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:18 PM

Nationalism needs to go or we are doomed

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, love redacted tonight btw

Eric RheinheimerJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

personally I love playing soccer; I don't think we should be hating on the game

Eric RheinheimerJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM

FIFA however.. that organization SUCKS.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

so what do we do about FIFA and the goons who control the game?

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM★ Spotlighted

Thank you Eleanor. Yes good point.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:19 PM

I agree with Ben! I wish my parents would've brain washed me into thinking that sports is religious and playing them is Godly.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

it's sad that people in general, around the world, care more about their local soccer team more than they do about their starving neighbors.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:20 PM

with the government - on both sides - cutting funding to sports in schools,how are we going to get kids to play sports?

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:20 PM

Lisa, it's harder when you wake up to reality at a later time. be grateful lol

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:21 PM

I suppose both sports and the military are pompous over zealous sword rattleing testosterone amped and pro conformist

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - so fucking true!

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

It seems to reinforce the simulation of war and teaching kids to compete against fellow humans rather than work together

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:21 PM

Eleanor - I can't agree with you more!

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

Sports certainly can help teach discipline, responsibility and work ethic.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM

@Drew, isn't sports like war?

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

Sports in America remains a very powerful distraction from extremely important events.

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM

Profit goes and fucks everything up like everything else.

Barry HamillJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM

drew...so can the army

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM

your team vs ours, to the death!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:22 PM

i kind of have to agree with that Phil, in that certainly at the professional level these days the win at all costs mentality as opposed to "how you play the game"

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM

I was fucking good at sports at school. But I got told I was hitting the ball too hard or fast. And the teachers didn't help me either.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

I recently ran a marathon in Portland, Oregon. First time I've ever been there. Beautiful city. Very green friendly but the amount of homeless people were astounding. My heart was heavy as I ran pass all these homeless communities. Yes...communities

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

hey guys

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

and parents omg, they get into their kids sports more than the kids care

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

From a health aspect I agree. put down the x box and the calitrin and get active.and just not from an armchair

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

aren't football player shooting themselves in the chest so doctors can study their head injuries?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:23 PM

Here in the UK they going to try and stop that

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

I used to skip gymclass but i trained and competed track and field at my freetime.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

how many parents nowadays are "grooming" their kids to be who they wanted to be

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

right yeah we're realizing that football equals concussions = not good for you

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

Sports is the ultimate form of advertising on the pro level it seems.

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

Love what u're doing guys!

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

when i was young, my mom wouldn't let me play football. growing up i thought it was stupid, but now i realize, she's the smartest mother ever to live

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

oh ya, check out an adept Craniosacral Therapist if anybody here has head trauma. worked crazy magic for me

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

The amount that is spent on football could be better spent elsewhere.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

the NFL pays no taxes, is a non profit, and has billions in their banks

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

Sports just like public schooling is just another form of indoctrination.

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

It fucking blows my mind where they come up with the money to pay those athletes.

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Hey hey

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

Our whole culture is based on competition instead of working together

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Greetings John

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Hello John,you fun ball you! X

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

then there's college sports where they dont have to pay them

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

the salaries go up, ticket prices go up, squeezes the lower classes out of the stadiums, ahhh just what they wanted to do

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

LOVE LOVE REDACTED!!! Hey Lee, when am I getting an invite?

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

Thanx Lucy!! You rawk

Mike LockerJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM

organized sports beyond elementary, is way too strict. takes the fun out. when to eat what to weight , devote all your time to the sport etc.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

the yankees have seriously fucked up their fan base

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

I could be the water girl ;)

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

Oh sorry...hi John! So now can I come?

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

That an oryx and crake reference Eleanore?

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:27 PM

South Korea scored! (just kidding - well they did though)

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

back to soccer, the hockey of the feet....is it not the most ridiculous sport ever? they should just call it running after a ball around a field. how many times can soccer fans get excited to get the ball near the goal to not score?

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:28 PM

What he does for me?! I'm afraid to even ask where this question is going? Does it have to do with baseball? Hahaha...

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - take the show on the road (hint hint) i wanna ogle the JFOD!!!

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

As a kid, my dad and I used to go to white sox games. My dad didn't make a lot of money, but we managed to go several times a year. Now the cost is getting prohibitive.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:28 PM

ehem, baseball takes massive skills

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

totally ben! running a dead animal skin up and down a fucking field while people scream like they are saving lives is a culture of insanity

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

Currently living in Spain but damn these guys are obsessed with football

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

Watching soccer is I believe. But you gota be fit to play that shit and its fun. Its actually much more aggressive then it looks.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:29 PM

not sure that being more aggressive than it looks is a "good" thing

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

this chat is really fun! almost as fun as watching Lee Camp's videos!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM

well considering they have banned sports days here in the UK,its not looking good

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

people are only passionate about what effects them at this very second

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM

Dude I dont give a fuck about professional sports anyways. It's good for the kids though lee. haha

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM

LOL lee

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

It is ALL the same shit! If we could all just treat it as a game where people find common ground then fine but no...let's inject it with capitalism at its finest. That's called marketing. Ugh!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:30 PM

people get bored and sports is something lots of people chat about so

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

Lee, you're in Jersey right?

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

Lol, at those soccer fights though am i right. Now thats some shit i can watch

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

Hey Lisa!! Glad you dig Redacted. rock on!

Eric RheinheimerJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

Yay for Earth Team!!

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

In all pro sports they have built all of these corporate suites moving the more affordable seats to the nosebleed section.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

captain planet and team earth! i'm down with that!!!

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

And, hellllooooo Eleanor!!! You supasta!!!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

i remember when you could play football in the streets,or play hop scotch or cricket...all in the street. cant do that now

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

that would be prettyt awesome Lee

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

I wonder if they will still have NASCAR when gas is 20.00 a gallon

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

the good news for the poor of brazil is, there will be lots of garbage for them to pick thru after next week

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM

tukro, i follow you on IG.....my dude!

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - that would be an altering mind fuck if that did happen!

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM

Hi John! You're the guy who makes Lee seem sane! Lol

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM

Some real 'sports' and tribalism in action there, in a purer better form: protesters vs stormtroopers.

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm glad I didn't catch the virus of soccer, got vaccineted by my dad who used to take the TV away to watch game with his friends right when we wanted to watch cartoons. That was in the communist regime of Ceausescu in Romania!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

you know what gets me? why has it taken a game of football to high light the plight of the those in Brazil? or is that just me?

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:33 PM

"the nike swoosh symbol is just a whip in mid swing"- sage francis

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - of course they would. It's not about the athlete anymore. It's about the endorsements.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

To start this chaotic splurging session, I want to apologize to all, for a recent attempt (by myself) ,to incite a panic about possible "psy-ops", concerning the

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

pretty much no top athlete dares takes anything but a mainstream political stance nowawadays if they even dare so much as that

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

nike is a great advertiser though, how else could you get people who can't afford your products to buy them every 2 weeks, and wait in line for new ones. wtf is wrong with people

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

Solar Roads project... :/..... oops....

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:34 PM

Now we're talkin Cas

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

If we spent as much time on education, and debating the direction we are going, as we do on debating whether or A or B is going to win the Superbowl, maybe the government wouldnt have its hand in our pants, and the corporations their dick in our ass!

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM

They had to get them all hooked before they could start building these unnecessary new stadium not paid for by them.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM

I like Ben! :)

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Okay, sports. They are fun to play and watch and I support their existence. BUT BUT BUT people who fucking define their existence by the sports teams that are fans of are missing the boat of life. Grow up and find some meaning in your own life...

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM

@John - damn well said

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Personally I'd love to see Eleanor and Dick Cheney in a cage match.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:36 PM

thanks lisa, i like you too!

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:36 PM

tukro, it's disgusting. people would rather trample on their neighbors to get $10 off a cell phone they dont need. disgusting

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM

Solar Roads won't (I repeat, "WILL NOT") work, in it's current form. However, Solar Driveways and Solar Sidewalks..... YUP! :D

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM

Why would you want to put a compassionate being that close to a monster in a cage?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM

they get sucked into the imaginary world that is made for them,and they cant get out

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

By defining one's life around sports, they are living in a fantasy world where everything but sports is a scary mess they don't want to deal with. How do we make the truth more appealing, and the Maya less appealing?

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

Panem et circensis, that's what the masses want since the Roman Empire

Jeff ForsterJun 17, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

I love when 'grown men & women' wear sports jerseys LOL ridiculous

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:38 PM

We for reals gotta get back to some states rights ya feel me.

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

AND on top of that, athletes these days have the social conscience of fruit flies. They have such an opportunity to motivate their adoring fans to better this world, but instead they shill for insurance co. fast food chains, big telecomm. PATHETIC!!!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:38 PM

thats part of the magic of Colbert and Stewart

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

Another case of living vicariously through others. And I'm not sure what vicariously means.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - ah yes but then will come a time when those that be will infiltrate the google glasses and make people live the lives the big corps want. much like they did in V for Vendetta

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

Since the early 1900's, and the Dewey philosophy of practical education rather than academic, the explosion of sports enthusiasm has taken over. Culturally this country is fucked. What we need, I think, is to conceptualize and make real a new culture

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

it was disappointing seeing Peyton Manning get with Papa Johns

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

how about the worshipping of atheletes and entertainers? look up to your parents, your boss, your teacher. not the guy who brings a gun into the club and shoots himself or holds dog fighting in his backyard

Dennis OwenJun 17, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

sports will become unimportant when the stores run out of food not untill that happens will people wake up

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:40 PM

its the competitiveness that makes people do the things they do

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

the new 'gods' of athletes and 'celebs' celebrating ego worship

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

and do these atheletes even understand the impact they have on these childrens' minds

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:40 PM★ Spotlighted

how many millions is enough?

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

they certainly build themselves up to make them look like gods. look at the rock. wtf did he do? eat a train??

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

@Ben Risch One more dollar

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

the athletes and sports people dont give a shit what happens to their fans,not really. if they did,they would want such a high pay packet

David NortonJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

hey Lee love your show - glad you got RT to pick it up thanks Eleanor for the invite

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

They live in their own reality... Kind of like Wall Street.

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, I heard some of your music. I dig it! You're the real mothafuckin' thang!

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

saw these pro b-ballers turn to dickless bitches when that one player compound fractured his leg at some game

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

It's never enough when your bottom dollar doesn't have a bottom.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:41 PM

So, what's the topic, today?

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM

ok all these comments and what is to be done? America seems pretty fucking doomed to me now from and out of country perspective, but maybe i am wrong?

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM

Damn. thats badass

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM

I wonder if it's because there's always someone richer that you know....Peyton Manning or Kobe Bryant can dream of owning a sports franchise when their done playing and that takes even more money

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM

@cas -sheep fighting

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM

lee was that the lineman for the Broncos?

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

@eleanor, i'm sure getting hit the way they do doesn't make them better people either.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

i think i did ctach that actually

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM★ Spotlighted

Or the soap opera star who drank Ayahuasca quit his job and called his fans stupid? haha

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:43 PM

Sheeple, MMA?!? KEWL!!!!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:43 PM

thats pretty freaking cool

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:43 PM

People are trained to be caged animals, and forced to memorize the lie that this country is the same as it was in 1789. I plan to give seminars on history and where we are going in order to wake people up. You have to be the change you want to see!

Jeff ForsterJun 17, 2014, 11:43 PM

sweet Thanks Lee - I was just gonna ask about the article

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

By the way Lee, your show still doesn't suck!

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM

I keep disconnecting

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM

Im eating a chicken, hence infequent commenting.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

everything gets more extreme too. soon they'll have full contact tennis i'm sure

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM

hey he aint over weight just big boned....

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

I would assume everybody involved in this talk has read Howard Zinn A peoples history. Am I wrong?

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

boxing is now too boring for people. they need cage fighting. what's next, mortal combat IRL?

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

Yup, he is pretty good too!

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

In Ireland for their traditional Irish sports, the athletes don't get paid much at all, it's just for the love. Like for Hurling, they fill up huge stadiums, but still have day jobs...

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

Hey I do enjoy the UFC you become a mixed martial artist you weak bitch.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

they should just chant, KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

Jonathan - Assuming makes An ass out of you and me.

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

Thanx Mike!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

no but one day i would like to johnathon

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

It is the confidence that this country is being handled correctly that affords people the leisure of watching sports instead of getting involved in the political process. If that energy of enthusiasm were directed in a constructive direction...

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:45 PM

tennis palyers hit the ball in each othere 'court' with a 'racket'. Refs are the judge wearing the black rope of saturn stripes

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

LOL drew, why u mad

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:46 PM

Years or training grasshopper

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:46 PM

33rd degree freemasons created baseball. 3strikes 3outs on a 'diamond'

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

maybe we can turn politics into a bloodsport!!!!!

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:46 PM

The truth is we need not get involved in the politics, but in our communities and in the lives of our fellow human beings.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:47 PM

not enough blood for the participants

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - thats why programs like Redacted Tonight are important right now.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:47 PM

plus we can all watch sports with our own eyes and knpow about them

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:47 PM

I think a lot of kids care less about sports as in the past. Unfortunately they often substitute electronics.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:47 PM

@Lee - i bet Sterling had the same thought

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

I bet people would be glued to the TV if their senators and representatives were going at each other in a caged ring.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM

Sry, didn't mean to sidetrack this toward sports.... :/

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM

@Cas - its ok

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

That would be interesting Lee, to get the players of sports to wake from their juice induced comas and see how badly they and the rest of society are being fucked by this system that gives not a shit about them!

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM

Thats CNN primetime, fodder for the sheep.

Jeff ForsterJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

Going back to the World Cup briefly - I know someone who lives in San Pablo, Brazil. It's so congested their that it takes him over 2 hours to drive 15 miles to work. I can't even imagine what the traffic is like right now there b/c of the WC.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:48 PM

sterlings past

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

Sports trumps their grandchildren.

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

Let me in there with them Lisa. I'll reason with them to death.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM

keep quiet or you lose your sponsors and your pay check and your job. and people wonder why they havent spoken up before?

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM

heard some of the traffic in brasil is worst in wrold

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, with that I thought, "They ONLY dropped their jerseys and then decided to practice?...I guess $millions makes it tough to really stand up for something, even overt racism."

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM

Yeah once the cat is out of the bag - the mice scamper and hide. Oh...wait, we are talking about sports. Never mind. Haha...

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

you have to be pretty committed to a sport to be excited about your government spending billions of dollars they dont have on arenas that are never going to be filled again, instead of say....getting people clean water or electricity.

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

I think people may be starting to wake up more. I think the internet needs to keep improving to educate and organize people.

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

talking about what media cares, I don't care what media cares about

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

am now licking the chicken. Yes lee full contact no holds barred debates.

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Don't want to piss off the sponsors.

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

Something that Erik Fromm spoke about in his book The Sane Society, was the trivialization of sports. It was an interesting idea. The fact that it has been turned into a beer drinking retardation fest instead of a prolific test of wills and strength.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

i think a new sport should be sending the bankers to jail.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM

Mikael - go ahead and take a pic. Share. It last longer too.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

So.... while there's so many ppl around.... anyone have any ideas that concern "Solutions", when it come to all the problems in our world, today?

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

To modified quote Ted Alexandro: "It's good to know that old rich white man can still own black people, just as long as he pays them some $ to run up and down a court."

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:51 PM

Yes!!! Lucy!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:52 PM

@Eleanor - it could be like a round of Gladiators. fight to the death

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

@El that would be a lovely sentence for the bankers

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:52 PM

Cas, i think there are simple small steps that would effectively restore our republic. one is get money out of politics. check out WOLF-PAC

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

This is a video that I made about the direction our system is going in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aceJOEQ8Rhg

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

If we don't watch the games, they become irrelevant.

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

If we complain about the games, we become irrelevant

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

The newest form of slavery is that the slavemaster doesn't need to take care of the slave anymore

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

Sry. I just learned about this tawkers thing, so I may be a bit behind. What's the best solution that's been discussed, so far?

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

sadly Mike,that aint gonna happen. too many followers of the cult of sport

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

Only in the eyes of the dumbed down masses though

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

We live amongst the chickens that come into the porch area and kitchen and shit wherever they want.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

Solution - start from scratch. Oh wait...that sounds like something Hilter wanted to do. Never Mind.

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

At the very least lock the psychos up in self defense and educate everyone whether they want to know or not

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

i'm really enjoying this chat but i have to get back to work. Lee, it was great speaking with you. can't wait to watch redacted tonight. Eleanor, thanks for being here and hosting.

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM

This is the most major system that's ever graced the face of the earth and its certainly not all bad. Patience but more importantly persistence is needed for change. There's even room for soccer.

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor, the athletes are too invested in it. It's all about the endorsement deals. They don't care. Or aren't informed. Or both. And, believe it or not, athletes that are. CAN'T GET INTO THE LEAGUES. Even if they are talented enough...

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:54 PM

the slaves are fighting back and the masters are shitting themsleves

Carl DodgeJun 17, 2014, 11:54 PM

Hi John :)

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:54 PM

Thanks Ben! You rock!

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:54 PM

@john - thats what i said earlier

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

oh btw, Michael jordan is now a billionaire. just FYI

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:55 PM

Endorsements = Sports

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:55 PM

You should have seen them all trip out over the big batch of failed rice I made that I dumped for whoever right outside the porch area. They feasted.

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

What drives players to cheat. I'll give you a hint: bankers love it.

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

what would be really great would if someone "untouchable" like a peyton manning or a pre affairs tiger woods would somehow get informed and spoeak up about various things

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

@Lee - maybe the media doesnt think an athlete doesnt have an opinion of politics.much like the news stations themselves....

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

if thats possible

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

You really think that the owners want a basketball player speaking out against the Prison-Industrial Complex? Hell no. And what's fucked, is if that player came from the inner city, he's most likely got family members who are stuck in it!!

Alin JurcaJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

guys in EU there is a currently a initiative for basic income for everyone, think about how many ppl will still do their shitty jobs if they had that? the could follow their dreams a bit more don't u think?

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

Oh that's a hard one Mike... Let me think... Hmmmm...

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

I think so too El.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

oh boo hoo, only 1 billion what a scrub. go get a job!

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM

@ben they all seem to be comfortable cowards unfortunately

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM

yeah it would!

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Ben - I would cum hard if that happened! Hahaha... You may have to sensor this comment.

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM

look how long it has taken for someone to come out as gay.

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

@john that's right! everyone in the hood is looking for their lottery ticket out whether the actual lottery, rapping, or basketball

John O'DonnellJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

Oh everybody, speaking of the Koch Bros, did everybody see Lee and mine segment on it? Not trying to ram the show down people's throats. But I'm proud of what we're doing. I think it's relevant. And I want eyeballs on it!

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

The mentality of the hustle is what leads people to believe in sports. If I can only make it into the major leagues, I can be a billionaire one day. Every homeless person is a soon to be millionaire too. It all comes down to wanting money and fame.

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM

Oh my!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:57 PM

ill look it that up John

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

i'm not a billionaire, YET!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

would like to see that Kock Bros movie that came out

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

Koch

Lucy DyerJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

@John - yes yes YES!!!

Drew InglesJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

The U.S. could use some sort of flashpoint to get people into action. I just hope that flashpoint wouldn't be used to execute some sort of martial law.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

The way I see it, we can either bitch about the problems and ask the ppl who originally caused the problems and benefit from them, to fix the problems for us, or we can start to take the next step in evolution, and fix these problems "ourselves".

Valerie SpellmanJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

meanwhile fox & friends thinks dodgeball should be banned from schools..thoughts?

Mattrick HolbertJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee, Congrats on your new show on RT by the way!

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

Cas, i think we need to hit critical mass of awakened first

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

What about that sterling billionaire racist pig and his lifestyle and view of politics...the guy looks like a bloated toad.

Cas DavisJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

This makes me curious about any solutions that anyone might have.

phil chipperJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

@John your hilarious on RT, god so jealous wish i could work with you maniacs!

Ben RischJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

lol El

Mike DwornikJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

There are the Koch Bros and there are the politicians the bought... The Koch Suckers.

Mikael SahaJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

No final solutions i hope Cas.

Lisa Del ReyJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Hahaha... Eleanor! Hahaha... You're awesome.

Valerie SpellmanJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-and-friends/blog/2014/06/17/us-schools-develop-nicer-version-gym-class

Ben HertzJun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM

these chats make me reaffirm that what i'm doing is right and the mainstream is just totally AWOL from life.

Lucy DyerJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

@Lee - so glad the podcast is back. was missing it. and wtg on your show too. damn awesome..

John O'DonnellJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

Mattrick, you're right. People's notion of what is important in life has become completely perverted. The American dream is now fame and materialism. It's gross and psychically bankrupt

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

I've been waiting for "critical mass", for quite a few yrs, now.

Ben RischJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

thanks El, Lee and John O

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

nice Lee, first time I've heard of your show was from The Real News wwebsite

phil chipperJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

KEEP FIGHTING

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

@Lee I was wondering about that. That is damn awesome, thank you for letting me know, I'm a big fan of MOC.

Mike DwornikJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

Take care everyone, and thank you!

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

friend me on facebook to share ideas!

Lucy DyerJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

and for those who havent done so yet, check out Eleanor's band rooftop revolutionaries. they will rock your socks off!

Lisa Del ReyJun 18, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

I would love to sit here and continue bashing this fascinating topic but...nature and duty calls. Lee - I want to see you soon. Eleanor - you Rock! To the rest - Peace out!

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM★ Spotlighted

Thank you both for putting this on, it was a pleasure!

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

and 7 here

Drew InglesJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

take care all y'all

Mikael SahaJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

im on twitter and fb folks, don't be scared too add me homies!

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

Love and peace everyone Keep it real !!!!

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

John O'DonnellJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

Here's a playlist with all the Redacted vids, if you guys have missed anything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5duvXFpw0xw&list=PLagVUKF7CUTRxFIq6FS-Ih-WZVDOeLMiv

Mikael SahaJun 18, 2014, 12:01 AM

https://www.facebook.com/mikaelandreas.saha

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:02 AM

Remember people, be the change you want to see, and then once you've done that, spread the change virus to everyone you know! https://www.facebook.com/matthewph

John O'DonnellJun 18, 2014, 12:02 AM

Very psyched and honored to have taken part in this. Thanx Eleanor! Thanx Lee!

phil chipperJun 18, 2014, 12:02 AM

bye guys! heres the best sites ive found so far.. triviumeducation.com tragedyandhope.com whatonearthishapping.com gnosticmedia.com

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:02 AM

tukro, great IG! one of the best!

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:02 AM

@ Ben

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

What do u see as the #1 problem?

Mikael SahaJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

Goodnight everybody.

phil chipperJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

@cas slavery

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

besides greed? religion!

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

https://www.facebook.com/matthewph?ref=tn_tnmn

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

Banking guys

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

i file all money issues into the greed category

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

the real deal

phil chipperJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

ignorance of natural law

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:03 AM

Here is that video again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aceJOEQ8Rhg

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

education is also a HUGE problem

Jeff ForsterJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

thanks Lee & Eleanor!!!

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

everything it's reduced to money

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

@Ben the video I just posted is a satire piece about the direction of our education

phil chipperJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

demon coin only exists in the minds of men

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

in this world

Mikael SahaJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

thanks! stay black.

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

empower people, the world will be successful

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:04 AM

AGREED, Alin. :)

Cas DavisJun 18, 2014, 12:05 AM

WTD? (What to do?)

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

i personally think our ONLY reason for being on this planet is to improve it for the next generations. there really is no other reason to be here at all

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

it all boils down to keeping the earth spinning

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

and we are about to kill it instead

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

first u have to learn a lot

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

The first thing to do is break down your fears, ego, and beliefs, and embrace love. Love is what keeps the world going round.

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

about that problem

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

every aspect

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

cause it's not easy

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

anyone from NJ?

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

do you all have friends who you talk about these things with?

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

but when u grasp it it's verry simple

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

nope

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:07 AM

i talk with my gf

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

need to find like minded people to network with

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

Learning, Love, Peace, Appreciation; these are a salutation to unity and awareness. Bless you all!

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

same

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

we are all stardust

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

we should act lik it

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

the universe exists in your eyes

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:09 AM

you are created in its image and it in yours

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:09 AM

There are people out there that are real and who give a damn, you just have to know where to look, and how to see.

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:09 AM

true

Ben HertzJun 18, 2014, 12:09 AM

ok guys, add me on FB. gtg back to work. i'm a slave

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:10 AM

ben before u go let me send u all a link, let me see if I can find it

Mattrick HolbertJun 18, 2014, 12:13 AM

I am all about networking and discussing ideas with people, find me on FB as Mattrick Patrick Holbert

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:13 AM

i can't right now

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:14 AM

but I'll add u and send u

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:14 AM

Alin JurcaJun 18, 2014, 12:35 AM

found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A&list=PLB6E316C62BDB7085

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 18, 2014, 1:22 AM

Seems like they're tightening up and closing in even more.

Viet NamJun 18, 2014, 7:33 PM

Boy asian Hello

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM

no sound?

Jasmine WintersJun 25, 2014, 11:48 PM

People say cheerleading is not a sport when it is ?

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Mattrick HolbertAug 19, 2014, 11:17 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/237069870/Cloud-Theory-of-Economics