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Supreme Court Madness & more...

May 6, 2014

Eleanor Goldfield
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May 6, 2014

Has the Supreme Court lost their minds? Comedian Lee Camp and singer Eleanor Goldfield discuss it with you...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 10:59 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us for this week's REVOLTING tawk.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hit refresh a few times. It works :)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Lee is running a bit late but will be joining us as soon as he gets out of jail ;)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

First off, please tweet, facebook post and all that other good stuff to let everyone know that you're here and this is the place to be!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Now then...let's dig into SCOTUS
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

Anyone have a favorite or least favorite recent case they wanna start with?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

I'll give you guys a second to get warmed up.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

How about yesterday where SCOTUS decided that prayer at government meetings is fine - essentially debunking any separation of church and state
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

@Carl - the supreme court? or church vs. state
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

@Katie - I'd have to agree with you
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

@Katie, indeed. I was thinking of bringing in a wickan prayer book to SCOTUS and slowly start setting voodoo dolls on fire
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

The case in Saskachewan Canada when the farmer won vs Monsato.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

that sort of 'expansion' of the citizens united decision is pretty galling.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

I hate everything that's come out of SCOTUS recently. So there's that.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I feel like that is something we talk about every few years...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

@Carl - I do agree with that. However, having the supreme court so blatantly vote against it is new
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

Good news for theocrats! Separation of Church and State doesn't exist anymore! Pray on public time and dollars all ya want! (As long as it's Bible-based prayer.)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

hahaha - SCOTUS: Supreme Court of the United States
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

Chuch vs State

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

Let me know where to be.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@Carl - I think we'll be talking about this even after (hopefully) we find our way back to the separation of church and state
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

What proposal is that?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

I do not know what scotus is, but it seems it sould be named scrotums.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

Now, even the texas board of education has taken thomas jefferson and his idea of separation of church and state entirely out of all textbooks
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

you know, re-writing history and all that
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

OH, I stand by what I said then :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I agree Eleanor...but at the same time I bet in 2024 we will be talking about this again :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

@Kelly - unfortunately they're refusing that constantly. However, that won't stop us from continuously pushing for it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

Hi Mike
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

I will either be dead from them killing me OR i will give a proposal they cannot refuse.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

Again - please post on FB and Twitter and let everyone know you're here! Write that we're talking about scrotums, as kelly suggested ;)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

@Carl - that is quite the case
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

the right to carry a gun in general?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

A way for humanity to put effort into really living and true freedom not money and ownership.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

concealed? automatic? etc or just carrying any gun
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

It has become quite a tainted court.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Hello everyone.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

Here is one!! It seems that on Monday the Supreme Court was asked to rule on if the right to carry a gun and they refused to hear the case.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

Interesting. Where is it legal to carry guns outside the home? Anyone have stats on that?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

The court refused Monday to decide whether the right to bear arms extends outside the home. The justices won't consider a challenge to a New Jersey law that restricts most residents from carrying guns in public.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

I think Colorado does too...
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

So what is the mailing address of the supremes if I want to post a letter to one of them and wish them...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

I think you need both. Lee actually pointed this out to me - everyone is for some sort of weapon control
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

Some people don't want automatic machine guns
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

NH and VA both have concealed carry permits...meaning that if you get the right paperwork you can carry a hidden weapon.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

it is in Montana, most places.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Others wouldn't want someone to own a grenade launcher.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I believe it's legal to carry in Indiana

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

It just depends on the level of gun control.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

Really the only place I know you CAN'T is NYC

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

I really think gun control is not the solution to the people shooting each other, solving the behavioral environment that creates that violent attitude is what needs to be addressed.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

@Carl - agreed. And I also don't think you need to carry a gun outside the home.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

or inside, but that's a different discussion
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

i do think it's interesting that SCOTUS won't take up that case but will take up affirmative action
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

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i want a rocket launcher!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

that has a lot of controversy around it too.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

makes you wonder what the hell makes them choose their cases
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

if we had a different environment, we would not be killing each other, with any weapons. Just bare hands LOL kidding.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I think automatic weapons should be kept in the hands of the trained (i.e. Military Police and so on) No need for automatic weapons to hunt down deer!!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Robin - very true.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

Although corporations could gain a lot by having a SCOTUS decision on concealed and carry outside the home
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

congress gets shit tons from the weapons industry
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I will say that if you wanted to carry a gun outside the house...you better live in Alaska!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

whatever the corporations want them to take up. = D

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

If we never question the way things are—or more importantly the way we think—how can we ever look at ourselves and the nworld objectively? -- Elina St-Onge

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

So, did anyone follow the SCOTUS decision on McCutcheon?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

Robin sort of mentioned that earlier - Citizens United on roids
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

That was the case that came down last month - opens the already cracked floodgates of corporate spending in DC
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

What's interesting is that the SCOTUS always uses precedent and constitutional law to make their decision...supposedly
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@Kelly - yes
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@Robin...not necessarily
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Hey everybody - sorry for the delay!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Bc of the constitutional law, I think we, the people really only have the option of putting an amendment in place
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

Hi Lee!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

I'm sure you didn't miss me, but glad to be here nonetheless
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

yes. totally outrageous.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Carl - too much for the 99%
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

we the people haven't got a prayer now.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

OH the thing about no limits on spending on a canidate?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

@Lee - you missed some talk of scrotums, conceal and carry and now mccutcheon
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

hiya Lee

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

they have went up since last I bought a politician :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

Well at least with that we know how much a politician costs!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

and I was saying that a 28th amendment is really the only way to reverse mccutcheon and citizens united
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

as in a 28th amendment stating that corporations aren't people, and money is not free speech
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

@Mike, amen to that
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

unfortunately, they move offshore, take jobs with them, don't pay taxes, get tax cuts AND buy politicians to make sure that status quo remains
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

fuckin a
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

If corporations are people, then when they move offshore, they should renounce their citizenship. Then they can't contribute to American political campaigns.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

I'm trying to catch up on what's been said so far. Please hold.... Ha.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

@Kelly - we need new representatives for sure. the tricky thing with SCOTUS is that it's a life long appointment
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Can we just agree that justices should not be in that office for LIFE
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

That was decided back when people lived for 40 years!!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

The oldest person the founders ever met was 62.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

damn. that old?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

we need to get people who WORK for them to see what they are really doing, waking them up.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

Well, he was ancient in their book.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I got that one from Robert Reich

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

@kelly - if we're going by mental age, i think most of SCOTUS wouldn't get above forrest gump level
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

John Roberts said he almost always sides with the traditional power structure - which means he always sides with corporations and money interests.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

we should just plaster their robes with all the corporate sponsors they have - make them more colorful
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I'm 63, so I'm screwed......

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

definitley, no lifetime appointments. (jeez, i'd be pushing up daisies by now)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

well, at least he's being honest
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

mentally I will not pass the age of 20 :).

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

that idea's been circulating for a few years
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

Since the US Supreme Court is corrupt, there needs to be more sunshine on them and get rid of those stupid black robes.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

too bad no one's taken that advice to heart
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

It's a great idea! (not mine)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

Oh, that's a good story Johnathonfall
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

@John - Not to mention Thomas's wife is one of the leaders of the Tea Party
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

It's a broken record type of story in Washington
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

put logo on the politicians so we know who bought them?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

back and forth between lobbying and political office
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

I also want to hear more about Justice Clarence Thomas and his career working with Monsanto.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

You probably don't want to see what's under those robes.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

Here's some good backstory on Thomas: http://theprogressivecynic.com/2013/07/15/justice-clarence-thomas-and-monsanto/
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

(PS - Did everybody remember to tell their friends to join us here? Just post the URL on your various pages)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

I'm part Jewish mother - good at nagging
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

You know, a lot of people say the only reason they vote for the Democrats (as opposed to a 3rd party) is because of the Supreme Court. They simply fear a right-wing court too much. Thoughts?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

@Mike - that's definitely a goal
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

well, eleanor reminded me.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

If we could get people educated, maybe they would use their vote to impose term limits.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

Well since new SCOTUS positions don't come up too often, I do'nt think that's a valid argument
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Also, we seem to have ended up with a right-wing court anyway.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

Also the fact that right and left don't really matter
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

They're both bought and sold
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

Even the "liberal" ones would cave to pretty much anything their donors ask of them
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I will say that until now, I never gave term limits for Supreme Court judges a thought. I would guess most people haven't

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

The only term limits I would like are to limit the terms they use. -- George Carlin Its something like that.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

We have a corporate court.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

haha - the people inc.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

I mean, the idea of the three branches of govt was that they would check each other. But now that they're all levers for the corporate money, they rarely if ever check each other.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

The supreme court has become the most obstructive, destructive court ever.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

Corporate court, corporate everything....

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

checks and balances has become checks and bribes
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

the other thing is of course, as mike pointed out, that there isn't enough awareness about these issues
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Maybe WE should incorporate.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

i mean, i remember after citizens united dropped, you'd be hard pressed to find an "average" person who knew what the hell that was
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Revolutionary, Inc.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

@James - that is true. I think it has to be delivered in a way that doesn't feel preachy
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

No one likes being preached at
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

well, maybe baptists
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Yeah, I think admitting to themselves that 90% of the gov't is bought is too defeatist for people so they're happy to be deluded that change is possible if you just elect the correct option of the 2 options.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Oh, I'm sure they check their balances regularly.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

@Robin - debt is a helluva ball and chain, that's true.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

Many times awareness is scoffed at - It's rage inducing really.... it's so damn painful for people to adjust their worldviews (Right or Left)...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

Working three jobs to survive doesn't leave a lot of extra time for activism
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

El - very true
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Debt slavery is important to keeping the structure the way it is.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

Good luck!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Ha. Mike - bring your stun gun.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

maybe they are too busy paying bills to think about thinking.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

I just came from a wedding with a bunch of right wingers, in FLA - ugh.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

But, as far as debt slavery and awareness -
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Am I in prison?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

can't even get most people to watch a 12 minute video about the most awesome technology know to man today so far, carbon nanotube.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

Hmmm....Eleanor, I didn't know they let guests Tweet in prison. Seems Lee just tweeted. Or is it twatted?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

I think it's possible to be an activist just by being aware - which is made possible by alternate forms of media, most notably the internet of coruse....cough, net neutrality, cough
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

@Mike - you could say that. There was an open bar however, so I survived
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I will be visiting a 92 year old right wing relative from Arizona next week.... Wish me luck.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

And people clearly work 3 jobs and still facebook. So it would be great if they were facebooking about important stories.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

@Lee - I told them you were in jail and would be joining us late. I was trying to cover up the fact that you were meeting with your corporate sponsors...
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

@Lee - pictures of Denny's dinner special isn't important?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

People are becoming more aware than they used to be. That's why we've seen a sudden shift in pot legalization and gay marriage. That shift comes with awareness of the world outside your backyard.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Tough crowd, Eleanor?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Eleanor - Where are such photos?!!! I want to see!!!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

True - and there's been more and more grassroots legislation pushing towards bigger issues, like a 28th amendment
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Robin - the cat getting out of the bag always gets the most shares on FB.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

kitty!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

hahaha the cat is out of the bag!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

@Mike - the longer I do activism, the more I realize that facts do need to be wrapped in something other than just raw truth.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

That's too harsh for most to take
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

We are more powerful than all of this because we created all of this. We are allowed to revaluate our laws, change themnor scrap them altogether and start fresh, because all of it is a human creation. -- Elina St-Onge

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I think I will use the subtle approach. Pretend to agree then us facts to put doubts in their mind.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

I mean, I guess at the end of the day, if you get money out of politics, then you get real leaders in office (not corp hacks) and then they would put in a good justices. ...But DAMN that's a long time to wait.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

People need to surround the supreme court and close in.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

i like my truth raw

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

it's a long time to wait but if the other option is full on revolution, what are you getting in that power vacuum?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

I'll take raw too

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

Eleanor - Siri?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

Well, then I'm fucked. She hates me
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I used to be on the grievance committee in the mill. It throws them off when they thonk you agree with them.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Give her a british accent. We all think Brits are smart. Why don't we put them back in control??
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

haha - b/c they're already on our side
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

"our" being corporate america
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Yes, Lee!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Little late, Lisa. Even later than me!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Mike - They literally do.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

Historically, power vacuums are never filled with peaceful governments. It takes a helluva long time for them to get to that point, if they do
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

I like that. Or the Supreme Corp.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Power vacuums suck. You never know what you will get.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

I'm here! Let the party begin!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

there's a job for anonymous
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

changing the scotus url
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

@Neil - nope. Someone will be knocking on your door momentarily
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

As it stands now, they need to change their name to reflect their true identity: The Supreme Corporate Court.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

@Mike - even though they have, it's been slow and insidious
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

The average standard of living is lower today than it has been since the great depression but it's been slow.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

not to mention the pillaging of rights and resources
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

Yes, people don't think about their pension and retirement anymore. They think about next month.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

Either terms or just make their lives a little shorter...somehow...can I say that without getting in trouble? :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

but people don't see it immediately - it's slow. and they're kept occupied with jersey shore and mcdonalds.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

Because the idea of having a pension is like seeing unicorns fly.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

it is a literal dumbing down of a nation
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I guess things haven't gotten bad enough for the average person.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

does that mean that you see unicorns regularly? just not flying ones?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

El - And about McDonald's: We're literally starving our brain of the food it needs to think highly. So the dumber, the less we'll complain about the way things are.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from kelly mackin

“No problem can be solved from the same level of concsiousness that created it." -- Albert Einstein

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

El - Yes. Is that not normal?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

as long as we get those pizza coupons
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Mike - What's a union??
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

@Lee - perfectly normal.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

5 minutes left! Any other SCOTUS commentary before 5pm hits?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

...and dumbing this nation down further than it already is, well, it's impressive!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

You mean 7pm!! Easter Time Zone is all that matters!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

I mean 8pm
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

I lucked our on the pension, but I had a union.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

Shit.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

seeing unicorns again?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

I fucked up my time zone anger.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

ask them what time it is
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

@Mike - ha!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

I didn't realize he stopped
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

By the way, everybody my NEW comedy special JUST came out. Download it now and pay whatever you want for it!!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

http://leecamp.net/my-new-comedy-special-is-here/
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

Awesome!!!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

And if anyone pays $1k or more, Lee will show up at your house in a unicorn outfit
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

The intro and outro have music from a crazy band called Rooftop Revolutionaries!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

It's an organization that the corporations say is corrupt and evil.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Neil - What does that mean?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

See, that dumbing down stuff is working on you now, Lee. :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

Lee is cussing again.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Hmmm, I'll show up if Eleanor shows up in a pixie outfit.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Neil - It says the date under the videos.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

Only if I also get $1k.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

Right on, Lee. Hey, gives dates please when doing your MOC's. :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Hey everybody, would be great if you can tell people about my new comedy special. Send it to a friend!! Also, come back next week!!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

Thanks for joining us - even if it was late, Lisa!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

Wait...he will???

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

We try to do this every Tues at 7pm.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Come back next week - every Tuesday at 4pm PST
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

I'm going to pay what you want me to pay for it cause I love you. It's not logical. It's emotional. So, let me know.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

Lee -- I watched several of your MOCs wondering when you recorded and uploaded them.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

And while you're imagining Lee in a unicorn outfit, check us out at rooftoprevolutionaries.com :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

I'm sorry I missed the whole Tawk. I am not promising anything but next week it may be on like donkey kong. Love you both!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

I need to make some calls and make this happen!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

And I'm at LeeCampComedian on Facebook.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Rock on!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Neil Baron

I'm glad I discoverd this Tawk. Peace everyone!