Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle

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Teachers Crossing the Line

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Lizz Taylor

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May 16, 2014

i.e. The Wussification of America. Recent video revealed an Ohio Grade School teacher getting physically aggressive with a 6 year old student leading to her suspension and possible criminal charges. Discipline in school is discussed.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:28 PM

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Lizz Taylor · 7:29 PM

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Lizz Taylor · 7:30 PM

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Lizz Taylor · 7:30 PM

Can't see comments again and can't refresh. Great

Lizz Taylor · 7:30 PM

Ok. Yay!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:31 PM

For decades, we've heard of the torrid affairs of teachers and students, often leading to imprisonment and more but recently a video has surfaced showing a GRADE school teacher being physically aggressive with a 6 year old

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:31 PM

Not sexually...read that again and it doesn't read well.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:32 PM

In Ohio, a kindergarten teacher was caught on video grabbing a child by his face!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:32 PM

LIzz...I know you have thoughts on this matter...

Lizz Taylor · 7:33 PM

This situation is troubling for sure.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:33 PM

The issue that it brings up for me is where is the line for discipline in school.

Lizz Taylor · 7:34 PM

My mom is a retired school teacher and psychologist and my heart goes out to all teachers.

Lizz Taylor · 7:34 PM

A teacher assaulting a child should not be tolerated. However, back in the day you could get whooped at school and it was no big deal.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:34 PM

So...let me ask you something...you are sympathetic to Barb Williams, the Ohio teacher I speak of?

Lizz Taylor · 7:35 PM

Hang on

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:36 PM

Lizz is using the new Tawkers.com App for I-phones!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:36 PM

While she is away...

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:36 PM

It is true that back only 30-40 years ago, children could indeed be paddled by teachers and administrators at public schools.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:37 PM

Many people believe that the removal of spanking from schools has led to many discipline problems with the children. They can get away with more.

Lizz Taylor · 7:38 PM

I agree with that too. People are afraid or too lazy to discipline their child these days.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:38 PM

I believe that it's the economic difficulties, leading to both parents working...latchkey kids

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:39 PM

but the old saying is it takes a village to raise a child

Lizz Taylor · 7:39 PM

That's true. And that boils down to irresponsibility by the parents. They should have planned ahead before spreading their legs!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:39 PM

Parents are busy trying to make ends meet...single parents especially.

Lizz Taylor · 7:39 PM

That teacher crossed the line. She was too rough on that kid.

Lizz Taylor · 7:40 PM

She's a bully.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:40 PM

Absolutely...even if spanking was still allowed in school...that was too much

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:40 PM

What in the world would drive someone to do something like that to a child?

Lizz Taylor · 7:40 PM

BUT... What kind of student is this kid? There had been discussions prior to this incident involving this kid's behavior...

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:40 PM

Barb Williams is very likely abusive and should be removed from the school system

Lizz Taylor · 7:41 PM

Not saying it's right, but the kid had behavior problems.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:41 PM

But she is an adult

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:41 PM

I can dig being pushed to the point of no return...but by a 6 year old? really?

Lizz Taylor · 7:42 PM

Yep. And she should have known better. I don't have the patience to be a teacher. I'd be jacking up kids left and right!

Lizz Taylor · 7:42 PM

He should've chosen another profession.

Lizz Taylor · 7:42 PM

*she

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:42 PM

It's a good thing you're a writer then!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:42 PM

Alone alot!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:43 PM

Anyway...The Nelson's are taking the video to the Sherriff in their county and trying to file criminal charges against Ms. Williams

Lizz Taylor · 7:43 PM

Exactly. She was certainly out of line.

Lizz Taylor · 7:43 PM

And I don't blame them for that. She knows better. It's assault lady!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:43 PM

She's already suspended by the school for 10 days, no pay, pending further investigation.

Lizz Taylor · 7:43 PM

She will get fired.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:43 PM

Oh, she should have her teaching certificate taken away

Lizz Taylor · 7:44 PM

She may even get her retirement stripped from her. All bc she couldn't control her temper.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:45 PM

She deserves to at least be removed from teaching but I'm not sure they should take away her retirement.

Lizz Taylor · 7:45 PM

I'm saying it's possible. No comment on whether or not they SHOULD.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:45 PM

She's likely to end up in prison though

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:46 PM

What if that was your child? I would be suing the school, demanding her removal and pressing charges against her.

Lizz Taylor · 7:46 PM

Oh yeah. Unacceptable behavior. She's supposed to be a role model.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:47 PM

There is no question that she was out of line...imagine what today's parents would do if they saw the paddles that were used in the 70's!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:48 PM

OH wait...they were the kids being paddled back then!!

Lizz Taylor · 7:48 PM

Times have changed: the wussification of America in full throttle.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:49 PM

What a catch-22 though...

Lizz Taylor · 7:49 PM

Yeah. Our whole country is...

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:49 PM

we want our kids to behave...but can't discipline them

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:50 PM

because we have drawn such a fine line between abuse and discipline

Lizz Taylor · 7:51 PM

I would discipline my kid! Parents these days got pregnant so young and the kids have no father figure so the mom doesn't have the energy or time to raise the kid properly.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:52 PM

that's one specific demographic that has certainly contributed to the lack of respect from many young people

Lizz Taylor · 7:52 PM

And we have the crime rates to prove it.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:52 PM

which makes it harder for teachers...

Lizz Taylor · 7:53 PM

How many twenty somethings do you know who PLAN to get pregnant AFTER they are married? I know very little.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:53 PM

You can't pigeon hole it though, Lizz...there is far more problems than babies having babies

Lizz Taylor · 7:53 PM

That is the MAIN problem

Lizz Taylor · 7:53 PM

That triggers the chain reaction of everything else

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:54 PM

I respect that but I think it goes much deeper than that...core family values have crumbled over the past few decades

Lizz Taylor · 7:54 PM

Yep. Bc the young kids haven't fully cultivated theirs before I stilling them on their posterity

Lizz Taylor · 7:54 PM

Instilling

Lizz Taylor · 7:55 PM

How can you instill values when you have none?

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:55 PM

The decline of the family unit

Lizz Taylor · 7:56 PM

Yep. It used to just happen in poverty-stricken families, but now it's spreading to all demographics. People do whatever they want with no thought of the consequences bc the consequences aren't enough to deter them. Hence the wussification of America

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:56 PM

the line between right and wrong has been convoluted...video games, media...

Lizz Taylor · 7:56 PM

(WOA)

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:57 PM

Okay...so we're basically on the same page but you are talking symptoms, not the disease.

Lizz Taylor · 7:57 PM

WOA is the disease

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:58 PM

That's a result of the disease...there is a severe lack of discipline in our children but the line isn't clear who and what can be done

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:58 PM

Barb Williams went far over the line, where ever it may be

Lizz Taylor · 7:59 PM

That could be further argued. It's like the chicken VS egg

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:59 PM

That's why we're here Lizz

Lizz Taylor · 7:59 PM

That is true. She snapped.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 7:59 PM

Okay, so nice chatting with you Lizz...we are in agreement that the Crazy Ohio teacher who bullied a 6 year old is in a heap of trouble!

Lizz Taylor · 8:00 PM

There's no sense in arguing the semantic of which is the disease VS the symptoms. I believe they are interchangeable. Putting a label on them will not fix anything.

Lizz Taylor · 8:00 PM

Yes we are!!!!! I just hope she learned a lesson.

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 8:00 PM

We aren't going to fix anything in 30 minutes!!

Jennifer "JD" Arbuckle · 8:01 PM

Have a great day...tawk to you soon!!

Lizz Taylor · 8:01 PM

I can fix everything! Lol

Lizz Taylor · 8:01 PM

Bye bye