Eleanor Goldfield

Host

The Education Racket

Jun 24, 2014·3,998 visitors

Lee Camp

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Stage· 303 messages

Jun 24, 2014

From privatizing kindergartens to the crippling debt of a university education, activists Eleanor Goldfield and Lee Camp dive into the devolving education system in the US.

Lee Camp · 10:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Hello everyone! Looking forward to another interesting Tawk.”

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Welcome to our mother fuckin tawk!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for coming out to our weekly REVOLTING tawk! Make sure to let all your friends and followers know that you're here!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

I can already tell Lee's had more coffee than me

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Post that you're here on all your social platforms - even KKK.kom.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

I already posted there, Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Just not under "Goldfield."

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

SO MUCH COFFEE!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“I think I've advertised your Tawk enough today hehe”

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“Homeschool your children. Teach them the 7 liberal arts and the triviumeducation.com and spare them the mind control indoctrination offered by the outcome based prussian education system deliberately designed to create an obedient labor force in the”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Yes Lucy - thank you! Our one woman PR firm

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

We're gonna go all over education this hour. And obviously we want to hear your horror stories - or your good stories.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

@Phil - right into the core issue. Yes - I know a lot of people are opting for homeschooling these days.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

It seems to be a popular alternative to public and charter schools when private schools aren't an option

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Let'

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

s start with the early years.

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Should kids be homeschooled?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

I think that depends on what the public schools are like in that area

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Some cities have really good public schools

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

LA is certainly not one of them

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

My public schooling wasn't bad.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think that the first question that I have is what is the true purpose of education?”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jesus Flores

“hmm idk. i feel homeschooling is far too alienating for children. perhaps that's a method that could work for certain children? but definitely not all”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“it depends on the schools and the kid, every kid reacts to public schooling differently I think for some it can be an extremely damaging experience, in more ways than one”

Lee Camp · 11:03 PM

I can't claim to know shit about kids, but home schooling does seem like it might lack some of the socialization.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

@Jesus - I think both public and homeschooling can be damaging experiences

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

And if you don't let your kids learn to socialize, they might end up having a conversation on a computer platform rather than going out and meeting up with human beings. ....Oh, shit.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

My brother was in a public school in NC for a year and got his jaw broken two times and learned how to properly "beat the shit" out of someone at the ripe age of 7. So yeah, then he switched schools

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

Jesus. Welcome to the south.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

I do know that several homeschooling programs have communities

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Communities that will put on events and what not for the kids in that area

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

It's certainly not the same experience as an actual public school, though.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

Another option is montessori schools. I did that growing up

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jesus Flores

“Eleanor- i agree, tho i think it's awfully important for children to associate with other individuals of society as well. you can't just hide your kids from society for 12 years and expect them to be productive afterwards.”

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

I'm asking this genuinely - how do people keep track of whether kids are being home schooled well or they're simply sitting on the couch eating McDonald's McCow Anus?

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“to be honest my schooling was a pile of poop. we had teachers who didnt really wanna be there, were convicted of child molesting, and assault. my maths teachers did help design the thames barrier tho...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

There are tests in place, just like in public schools

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“One of the things I remember fondly from my education was being exposed to a different multitude of teachers who all had different perspectives.”

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

To be clear - Lucy is British, so she spelled "maths" correctly (for them).

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

@Tim - that is very true. I really remember that fondly as well

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“I homeschooled my son for many years...the school told us to because of his birthday.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

And being introduced to different cultures and people

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“they have to follow a standard curriculum, there ar emany options to choose from I believe at least to get their GED”

Lee Camp · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Lee - well that IS the correct spelling :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

@Rachel, true. There are definitely parameters in place to ensure that the kids aren't just sitting at home watching monster truck racing all day

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Carl Dodge

“He had tests and "Mile Markers" he had to hit, that is how we kept track. And he had to take the CAT test at the end of the year, and they had to be filed with the state.”

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“They teach children what to think not HOW to think critically through creative problem solving. Cant control a large mass of people unless you program them correctly”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

That brings up another interesting point - standardized testing

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

I didn't do too well on my SAT's but won awards in philosophy and creative writing in high school...still can't do math for shit tho

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“now its all about the tests and how well the school does in the league tables. they dont really care about the ids anymore”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

I know it's impossible to have nuance in any debate in America, but I think kids should have education and at the same time our education system does teach children to adhere and fall in line. It generally teaches them that getting rich is the goal

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“the problem with standardized tests statistically there HAS to be that 20% that fail, so are we setting some up for failure? I see why they are important but I think we need to gauge other abilities too”

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

consumerism is good

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

war is done as a last resort but then is always good

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

military, cops, and politicians are always good

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

except for Nixon who did something illegal.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

@Lee - there is definitely a strong push to teach kids to obey and to consume and be "model citizens." That falls in line with the standardized tests as well

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“we used to have cooking classes. and yes boys did it too. they got rid of that. they have gotten far too PC. they have stopped sports day too in most school,too competitive”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

And if you're a little slow you'll be yelled at but if you're a lot slow, you'll eventually be ignored. Once you fall far enough, it's a lot easier to stop worrying about you.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

Teaching kids to think for themselves, even in private schools, seems to be limited to extracurricular philosophy club or debate team

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jesus Flores

“i mean, obviously public schooling sucks we all went through it. i graduated from LAUSD which is by far one of the worst systems in America. So trust, i know exactly what it's like to enter class and have teachers not give one single fuck.”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Lol I have been to war man, trust me it's not good”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“which is why the arts are so important! teaching kids to open their minds”

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Tim - my point exactly. We get the pretty version when we're kids.

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“What effect do you all think that the Common Core curriculum will have on students in public schools?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

@Jesus - yeah, LAUSD is awful.

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

And what kind of resources do they give the philosophy club?

Lee Camp · 11:12 PM

You're lucky if they'll pay enough for you to purchase a mantra.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

Ha! Yeah - we had a bake sale for Locke's birthday but even then they didn't want to let us use the foyer for that

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“we get indoctrinated when we are at school. we are molded to how THEY want us to be and think”

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

El - I wish I had a philosophy club. I feel like I woulda woken up a lot sooner.

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“The family unit was separated by design and eventually forced them to send their children to 'state sanctioned' conditioning. Do your homework, its all there ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

My friend and I started the philosophy club at my school. But that's the thing

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

We had teachers that were really receptive and open to our ideas and our goals

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

#nerdbrag

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

The school I went to, both in the states in Sweden, had a great infrastructure and support system

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

ha! is that today's hashtag?

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

El - How did you end up with a great school in NC?

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“were you never a nerd at school Lee?”

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

I absolutely was.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

My parents scraped together enough money so that I could go to a private school. Which I'm pretty much forever indebted to them for

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“the best teacher I ever had talked to us like adults and just told us flat out how life really is.. I learned a lot from him.. people don't like being talked down to, not even children - especially children”

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“I wouldnt zig heil the flag in third grade where the teacher would scream the children into crying fits. Went back and now he looks like a dying clown! hahaa”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Rachel - I think that's really key. Children aren't all stupid, they're just short.

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Phil - You grew up in Germany?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Hiya everyone. I went to a small public school in NW Indiana and it really wasn't that bad. But that was very very very long ago.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

@Mike - schooling has definitely gotten worse.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

My dad talks about going to school in Brooklyn in the 50s as if it were Harvard - a great education, great opportunities

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“@Lee, almost. The Divided Police States of Nightmerica had to suufice :)”

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“many parents just wait in the suv line until they get up front and then the door opens up and the kid(s) get out and that is about as involved as the parent gets with the teachers.”

Lee Camp · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I actually noticed that my old social studies teacher really did change with the times.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“When I was a kid I started in a private Baptist school, then I was moved to Catholic school, and eventually public. So it was an interesting potpourri of ideas”

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

And a lot of the books for public schools are written in Texas - where they put creationism in the book and are trying to scrub out things like Jefferson or unions or anything people powered.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

@Tim - I'm not sure how it was at your schools but I almost went to a private catholic school in NC - just bc the education was great - they even taught evolution, which I didn't really get how they explained that juxtaposition but hey, just glad

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

they taught it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

@Lee - actually, on that same note - my dad's textbook was shot down by the Texas schoolboard for use in public schools because he mentions the separation of church and state in detailed memos by Thomas Jefferson

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

I was in 8th grade and there was a girl in the class who didn't know the capital of the state and didn't know the Holocaust was real.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

So, they essentially took Jefferson and his "separatist" ideas out of history

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

El - Why didn't your dad know better?!!!

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

What kind of truth is he spewing?!

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Mine was good in areas of math, science and history. But fell a little short in science and independent critical thinking. but it was also in the middle of Kansas City Mo, so right in the middle of the bible belt”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“tim history is hard to teach because so much of the material is lies and myth but that hitler comment is surprising”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Anything that was withheld from us was definitely corrected in my labor studies classes later on.”

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“alot of kids get their "facts" from films and tv nowadays.”

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I'm here! I made it! Homeschool 'unschooling' is our future to get out of this hell hole! ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

A girl in my freshman year of college thought that Berlin was in Russia

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Lisa - You home school?

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

El - I thought Berlin was a drink made by Russians?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

Probably is - I think you drink more than I do ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - Yes”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“With the internet going to to school is old school”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

@Lisa - if there were better public schools in your area, would you still home school?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i read somewhere recently that they were going to have computer teachers instead of real ones soon. all because of the shortage of teachers we have”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“My 3 year old knows more than most kindergarten kids. I unschool and teach him critical thinking in terms of playing. ”

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“The bad part is lower income parents may have no choice but to homeschool with how the government seems to take money away from schools first, causing shutdowns and less people to be able to get an education”

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

Although I'm worried about your home schooling Lisa because you told me you show the kid Moment of Clarity

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“we still need teachers though but it's hard when they are handcuffed by the curiculum”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

That's ideal education, Lee

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

Don't be so modest

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

I showed MOC to a kid I was babysitting for - loved it

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

El - That kid will never be right!!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

good thing too :)

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

Naj - I both agree with you and yet there are probably a lot of scary teachers who I want to stick to the curriculum.

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - I definitely would. There is no school out there that would be able to provide my child with a better overall grounded foundation of critical thinking. It's a fucking indoctrination. No matter how good the school is. ”

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Warp their little minds, Lee.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Occupy the playground!!”

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

[[ Self promotion side note: New episode of Redacted Tonight is up at LeeCamp.net and so is a new episode of my podcast! ]]

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Lee - Hahahaha - the child needs to know the truth with a dash of humor. It's part of his well rounded curriculum. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“One of the issues that I think about with homeschooling is if you have, let's say two parents who don't make alot of money so they have to both pick up a couple of jobs in order to have home, food and the other things one needs plus be able to teach”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“If you can't teach your kids to laugh at the harsh realities of life, then their going to be miserable for the rest of their life!”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“I'm an expert on homeschooling in Florida. Moved to a new county, met with the superintendent to form a working relationship and hand deliver my intent letter, then told him my kids would be working the family farm. #nosenseofhumor”

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

M Stella - So how's the schooling going?

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

And how the fuck do you have time for it?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“well people are getting more of their news from comics these days”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“We're all public school now. Moved into a great district where the kids are put first. Still dealing with the high-stakes testing issues though...”

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Here's my MOC on education. Watch it later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIAtjDxuUZA

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“I would homeschool other children if they lived in my neighborhood and the parents consented with my style of having the child learn through playing and exploration. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

@Lisa - that sounds a bit like Montessori style. I did that as a kid, loved it

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

The MOC is about how our system is designed to weed out the "important" kids who will be the societal leaders and to take the other 90% and teach them how to be drones.

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“What do you think of the Pledge of allegiance?”

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“We had to transition to public school when we moved my grandfather in with us. The transition was seamless. The eldest got a lot of "You're too normal to have been homeschooled."”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I saw an interesting vid with R Brand discussing the correlation between illiteracy and prisoners in the legal system in Britain. I think a good education isn't something that should be reserved for people with money, it needs to be a human right”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

@Dennis - well first off, it's a lie. Second of all, I don't think we should force it down kid's throats or expect people applying for citizenship to spout it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Eleanor - yes, much like it but those places have gotten more into forcing the children into a school setting which wipes their natural curiosities. ”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I never did get my degree. Can MOC make up for it?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“i stopped standing for the allegiance in 5th grade no one made an issue about it”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Yeah, Mike. I have an MOC degree - much like Glenn Beck does.

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Just kidding!

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“so glad we dont take the pledge over here.”

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Lucy - I thought your pledge was "keep calm and carry on"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

I got a detention once for not standing up for the pledge. We had it on our final exams too and I got in trouble for scribbling out the words "under god."

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“I use Pledge on my wood furniture. Does a great job!”

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

By the way folks, did you know that the whole "put your hand over your heart" for the pledge used to put "put your hand out like a Nazi" in the US. We changed it once the Nazis picked it up.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

It is a very creepy thing to see hundreds of kids standing up with their hands over their hearts (roman empire, cough cough) and reciting a staunchly nationalistic, unconditional pledge to their country and more disgustingly to the government

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“im in atlanta i was here during the cheating scandel when teachers job were tied to the gains the kids made on tests which led to cheating and i promise it's going on everywhere”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“But we aren't far from that right now Lee. It's fucking depressing how mentally disabled our fucking youth and country has become. ”

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

Naj - I think that's still going on in a lot of places. Teachers are using tricks to get every kid to pass the standardized tests - they're telling the slow kids to stay home on test day.

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Also the studies don't show that doing well on the test is actually connected to success. So the only people really benefiting from the standardized tests are the corporate test makers.

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dawn Adams

“I'm going to Unschool my kid.”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“Got expelled a few times. Intuition couldnt take the sorcerers cool aid. Full control system rejection”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jesus Flores

“i was about 7 tears old when i stopped pledging allegiance to the us. of a lol”

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporate States of America...”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

and the standards for those tests keep dropping too so that passing becomes a lower and lower score. so the passing grades look like they're even or in fact climbing when in reality, we're dumbing down our entire next generation

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Shouldn't we put our hands over our wallets?

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“where have all the good teachers gone? and why don't people want to be one anymore?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“I almost wasn't allowed to graduate because I wrote to the local paper a piece on how the school system doesn't care about our education, they just care about the $$ they get for us being in our seats. the paper printed it and my principal was pissed”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“If we manage to navigate our children through the mazes of public education or homeschooling, what about college and University. With the rise of student loan debt I have found many young people who think it isn't worth it”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

@Tim - that's a very good point.

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Lucy - I think I talked about this once - We used to talk about being a teacher as a noble thing. But then we shifted to make our society only about earning potential.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

I personally don't think, like Dylan Rattigan says in his book, Greedy Bastards, I don't think that colleges have kept up with the demands of both our society and economy

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Now that profit is all that matters, we don't say teachers are noble any longer.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

They don't teach us the skills we need to get jobs or to survive

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

I mean, we could all sit and read a history book on our own and not pay $50,000 for a piece of paper saying we're good at it

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

specialized schools are seeing more enrollment, like film schools or artisan schools - schools that actually teach a specific skill as opposed to the liberal arts education

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“Not only that but school budget cuts destroy curriculum's including Creative thinking which = problem solving so art, music and similar subjects are the 1st to go”

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Eleanor - colleges have also heavily shifted to business, rather than encouraging arts and humanities.

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“The schools reward 'rope learning' where you memorize and retain information long enough to pass a test and then forget what you learn. So you aren't applying it. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

Absolutely - they're a big part of the greedy bastards complex

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

And Lisa, what's even more amazing is that a lot of that memorization is lies. "Make sure to memorize that Columbus discovered America and that he was a wonderful man!"

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“Fcken depressing when schools do fundraisers while Northrup Grumman replaces 500k parts on their shitty ships for no reason”

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I think that is a problem in Education and Health care. It has become more about business than then preparing young minds”

Lee Camp · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dawn Adams

“My five year-old just finished pre-k. It has already done damage. Her school's principal was halfway cool, though. When I asked for the Columbus Day and Thanksgiving curriculum so I could negate their propaganda, he decided to skip that part of th”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“For now... Elizabeth Warren has upper education prices in her cross hairs ;)”

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

El - You haven't talked much about how the schooling is in Sweden? Is it perfect? Or is there a lot of room for improvement there too?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

yeah, she's up against quite the axis of evil.

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

And is teaching viewed as a noble profession there?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

Schooling in sweden is a lot better

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

It is

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

The schools operate on a college like schedule

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

Does anybody homeschool? Is it mandatory?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

you don't have every class every day and there are more breaks where you set your own study schedules and meet with teachers to discuss your homework and your projects

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I have to say that from what I saw from my time in Germany the system there is better as well”

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dawn Adams

“I'm doing Uncshooling now. Anyone interested, there are groups on FB”

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“Lee, did you see the detention letter where the kid was arguing with the teacher about which was longer, a KM or mile. the teacher wrote a letter to the parents saying "even though your child was right, he should respect my class and not correct me"”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

I don't know of any swedes who homeschool. If they do, it's probably more bc they aren't close to a school as opposed to feeling that it's necessary

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Ben - I didn't see that but that sounds right. I remember teachers being wrong and still punishing the student.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

I mean, just in the languages alone - swedes are fluent in english by the time they're 12 years old

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:40 PM

The high school system is different however.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

There's only 9th grade and then the kids each split up into different "paths"

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

so, my friend who wanted to do architecture went to a specialized high school

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

my friend who wanted to study foreign policy went to a school that housed kids from around the world all studying foreign relations and policy

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

El - And obviously it's not like there's NO consumerism in Sweden. Is there still pressure and "education" that teaches people to want more, or profit more?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

I have to say, I didn't notice it that much

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

There's such a tremendous feeling of community and solid social structure that we weren't pressured to make money

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

We felt that we could follow our instincts and dreams more, and not have to worry only about making a living

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

I better stop asking you to describe it or you're gonna leave.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

It wasn't perfectly utopian, of course. but there was more emphasis on "what do you want to do? or create"

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“Back in the day, I was encouraged to "learn a trade". They must have meant wall street.”

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

Ha, yeah, Mike, learn TO trade.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

ha! well if i ever have kids, they're going to school in europe

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“@lee, maybe it's not a real story, maybe it is, but it is listed as legend on snopes whatever that means http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/hilliker.asp”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

unless me and this movement have shifted the greedy bastards out of power by then :)

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Ben - Even if it's fake, I've seen it before, when I was in school.

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“why learn to trade when electronic front running is still legal? Just get a fast server set up close to the trading floor ;)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“yeah what ever happened to field trips? or days out to the museum with the school? cant do that now. dont know what might happen to the little darlings”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“I could have been sooooo stinking rich!”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“Budget cuts lucy”

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“yes, mold the child to obey, not learn”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dawn Adams

“Homeschooling parents collaborate on trips, in my group”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“feild trips are still in play but parents pay way more than mine did back in the day”

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

Well at least train those kids to fight and then send 'em back here.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

I would consider nothing less ;)

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“kindergarten fight club?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“field trips are possibly the best learning experience a child can have”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

Quick question - where do people stand on bullying? (And I don't mean are you for it.) I mean, is it a bigger problem now than when we were kids? Is it just standard shit that happens? Or does it need more societal attention?

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“I feel the solution comes with the same mentality as community gardens where the responsibility is taken upon by after school programs”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“field trips to the brothel is probably the most appropriate”

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“im all for it lee”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

good question, Lee

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“JK”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

where do you stand on that?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

I was bullied a lot in school when I was younger. But I think now it's easier not only to do it, as in online, but it goes out to more people that way and can cause more damage on digital platforms

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

I'm not sure. I feel like teachers generally tried to stop it when they could but they didn't try that hard. I don't know if it's any worse today. Being a kid always sucks doesn't it? Or maybe that's not everyone's experience.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“Bullying: there are more avenues for it to take place now which need more attention than in the past. Electronic access into the living room and bed room - 24/7 bullying via social media.”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“bullying in my day was bloody awful to be honest. no-one wanted to help. and there was no help”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“Okay Jesus. Thanks for solving that for us!”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“internet bullying is a joke. turn ur phone off LOL”

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

Ben - You don't get the number of hate comments I do. Ha.

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I was bullied alot when I was a kid. And even sometimes as a rather ancient person I still get it from time to time. It is bad in schools because of the maturity levels of children, but it continues into adulthood”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Tim - adult bullying is called predatory lending and arresting people for nothing crimes. It's far different.

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

“kids have committed suicide over internet bullying”

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“lee, do you feel bullied? i mean, in reality, you are probably making the first preemptive strike against them and their "ideals and values"”

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Ha. No Ben. I dont' feel bullied.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

I feel that a lot of people are fucking morons and assholes - but I guess as a kid it's tough to know that.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“Lol @lee, mine took the form of a couple of guys wanting to beat me up the other day for "looking" homeless”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

When I was bullied, my parents or teachers didn't step in unless it got physical or really loud shouting. I wouldn't say I enjoyed being bullied but I don't think I'm mentally scarred from it either

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

Tim, that's bizarre.

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“Bullies become cops”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:50 PM

In some cases, I think it made me a lot better at standing up for myself and my beliefs

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“@Eleanor - i am”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

But then again, my case is not every case.

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Don't worry Lee, I'll protect you. I have two weapons in my court and they're both Double D's. Hahaha...”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Lisa, I don't know whether to say thanks...

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“too many moron assholes. i dont mind a smart asshole, they're usually witty and dont get offended. it's the moron assholes you gotta worry about”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dawn Adams

“How much empathy do kids see in their everyday lives? On TV? from the adults they spend the most time with?”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

@Lucy - I'm sorry to hear that. And know several people in the same boat

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“When I made everyone work as a team they started to see the group rely on each other it also helps alot when the real bullies are the cops”

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

Dawn - EMPATHY TV SHOWS DON'T GET THE RATINGS!

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“i agree leo if it we change how kids think about empathy then they can socially ostrasize a bully for behavior”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

And even the "empathy" on TV is designed more for manipulation - just look at the latest news with Dr. Oz.

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“empathy TV? you mean propoganda”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Mike Dwornik

“We just need to teach our kids to give a shit about other people.”

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Del Rey

“Kids in school are not talk to be empathetic. It's very sad. That's why the world is run by bullies because we foster that mentality at school. ”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:52 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“and you make them realize that the world is huge, those insecurities on both sides must be addressed too”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“It's had to teach empathy and compassion in this day and age. My son when given the choice to attend a lecture by the Dalai Lama or playing Call of Duty would pick COD everytime”

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

We got 5 mins left - should we get into student loans or would that take an hour?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

that would take more than an hour but i think we can skim the surface real quick

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“leave it for another day”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“student loans are going to wake up this generation of zombies”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

@Ben - I think that's really a key point. People are finding themselves buried under student loans and that's acting as a way to engage them in the political sphere

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“We need to change the world so our kids dont have to go though this crap”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“fuck your stupid student loans...send the bill to wall street.”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

“I borrowed money that was printed out of thin air?”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“life is just one long fight to pay off an I.O.U”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“how about a cap on universities”

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

El - How much does college cost in Sweden and what percentage of people go?

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“I dont think you can quantify success by any amount of education. Success doesnt mean necessarily alot of money, it can just mean happiness in what you do”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

Not a huge percentage. As for how much, I'm not really sure but significantly less than the US

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

Wait, not a huge percentage go?

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

but because of how the high schools are structured, a lot of people come out of high school ready to start their careers

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Hertz

“Jesus, i think it's a good catalyst for change”

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“That is brilliant @El”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

it's mostly engineers, doctors, policy makers, etc that continue their education into colleges

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

or just people who want to

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Yes, education does not equal success but it can help.

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from M Stella

“Fodder for university: free classes online through coursera.org. I've taken a few: micro-economics; "intro to music production"; "paradoxes of war" - from big U's.”

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from naj jones

“that part in warrens book when she talks about larry summers asking her if she wanted to be an insider or an outsider is everything that is wrong with this country in one conversation”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

I dropped out of college bc I realized I didn't need it or want it. I'd rather sit and read those same books without paying tens of thousands of dollars to do so

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

Naj - can you tell me what that said?

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

El - But what about the warm beer?!!

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from leo martinez

“Im a youtube university graduate and it hurts that my 90k in debt friend cant keep up in graphic design”

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

I know - and the frat parties

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

we all have crosses to bear

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Okay, guys, feel free to keep Tawking even once we're gone. Hope you'll attend EVERY week at this time. You all rock my world. Also, check out my new TV SHOW. :)

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

You can watch ever episode at LeeCamp.net or you can dvr "Redacted Tonight" on RT America

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Yes - please join us next week! Same time, same place

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Over 2,000 people checked out the Tawk tonight!

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

“@Lee and @El, love you both, keep up the fight”

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Great tawk as always you two!! thank you :-)”

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Watch Lee's show and check out my new site: artkillingapathy.com :)

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

follow me and the band: @rooftoprev @rooftopeleanor

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Also keep up with Facebook.com/LeeCampComedian and check out Eleanor's new art site!!

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from comet demuta

“Thank you so much!”

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Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 8:41 AM

Privatizing with preschool those naked emperors are relentless. They are doing it around here too like with the brits and the israelis and probably some greedy americans as well and think about how many tens of thousands perhaps less of the shit food

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 8:41 AM

the kids are fed.

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 10:53 PM

the system is punishing the very people that we need in order to progress society...

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 10:54 PM

Excited for this tawk! :)

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 10:55 PM★ Spotlighted

Hello everyone! Looking forward to another interesting Tawk.

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 10:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Homeschool your children. Teach them the 7 liberal arts and the triviumeducation.com and spare them the mind control indoctrination offered by the outcome based prussian education system deliberately designed to create an obedient labor force in the

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 10:59 PM

USSA

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 10:59 PM

Hey you Lee and Eleanor!

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:00 PM★ Spotlighted

I think I've advertised your Tawk enough today hehe

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:01 PM

Let's get it going!

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:02 PM

Lee and El in the house!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:02 PM★ Spotlighted

I think that the first question that I have is what is the true purpose of education?

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

hmm idk. i feel homeschooling is far too alienating for children. perhaps that's a method that could work for certain children? but definitely not all

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:03 PM

i have to remember that public is private and private is public....so confusing!

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:03 PM★ Spotlighted

it depends on the schools and the kid, every kid reacts to public schooling differently I think for some it can be an extremely damaging experience, in more ways than one

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:03 PM

one thing that bothers me is the concept of school vouchers, i.e. privatizing education

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:04 PM

I am helping homeschool my nephews this summer and that is one thing they miss is socialization, but there are plenty of FUN activities to get them into :)

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:04 PM

homeschooling is a very good idea and the sky is the limit.

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:04 PM

Unless you are over 100 you dont have a cognitively liberating education. That shit was hijacked long ago

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor- i agree, tho i think it's awfully important for children to associate with other individuals of society as well. you can't just hide your kids from society for 12 years and expect them to be productive afterwards.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:05 PM★ Spotlighted

to be honest my schooling was a pile of poop. we had teachers who didnt really wanna be there, were convicted of child molesting, and assault. my maths teachers did help design the thames barrier tho...

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:05 PM

the worst thing about public education at such a young age is we force them to grow up too quickly imo

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

One of the things I remember fondly from my education was being exposed to a different multitude of teachers who all had different perspectives.

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM

bullying is a terrifying experience for a kid. I remember being bullied as a kid.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM

oh and i was bullied to within an inch my life - literally sometimes

Carl DodgeJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

I homeschooled my son for many years...the school told us to because of his birthday.

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

they have to follow a standard curriculum, there ar emany options to choose from I believe at least to get their GED

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:06 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee - well that IS the correct spelling :-)

Carl DodgeJun 24, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

He had tests and "Mile Markers" he had to hit, that is how we kept track. And he had to take the CAT test at the end of the year, and they had to be filed with the state.

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

They teach children what to think not HOW to think critically through creative problem solving. Cant control a large mass of people unless you program them correctly

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:08 PM★ Spotlighted

now its all about the tests and how well the school does in the league tables. they dont really care about the ids anymore

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:09 PM

@Eleanor - maths was the one subject i excelled in

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:09 PM

Does homeschooling prepare kids for the different ideas, perdpectives and interactions that they will run in to in a university environment?

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:09 PM★ Spotlighted

the problem with standardized tests statistically there HAS to be that 20% that fail, so are we setting some up for failure? I see why they are important but I think we need to gauge other abilities too

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM

@Tim I think if the parents are really involved and make sure their kids have a well rounded social life

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

Lol I have been to war man, trust me it's not good

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM

John Taylor Gotto exposed hoe the education was 'fixed', great guy

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM

how

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

we used to have cooking classes. and yes boys did it too. they got rid of that. they have gotten far too PC. they have stopped sports day too in most school,too competitive

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:10 PM★ Spotlighted

i mean, obviously public schooling sucks we all went through it. i graduated from LAUSD which is by far one of the worst systems in America. So trust, i know exactly what it's like to enter class and have teachers not give one single fuck.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM

wait a min this is all text no audio?

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM

the father of one of my friends growing up wrote a book about the spin we are taught in school about hsitory called Lies My Teacher Told Me

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM

has anyone read Paulo Freire? anyways his style of teaching i think, would be an ideal one.

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

which is why the arts are so important! teaching kids to open their minds

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM

check it out

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM

@Lee - so true. its those kids that need help the most. and some have the most creative minds too

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:11 PM★ Spotlighted

What effect do you all think that the Common Core curriculum will have on students in public schools?

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:12 PM

youtube has changed formal education from elementary on forever.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:12 PM

yeah ben that is a good book i think his name is james loewn

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:12 PM

it runs on dreams and hope lee haha

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:12 PM

well, let's just say Krishnamurti is not impressed lol

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

we get indoctrinated when we are at school. we are molded to how THEY want us to be and think

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:13 PM

yes naj

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:13 PM★ Spotlighted

The family unit was separated by design and eventually forced them to send their children to 'state sanctioned' conditioning. Do your homework, its all there ;)

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:14 PM

i do remember we had a "strike" once cos they stopped sports day at our school. practically the whole school gathered on the field. that was fun

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:14 PM

was a spure of the moment thing

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

were you never a nerd at school Lee?

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:15 PM

@lucy exactly, which again begs the question what is the true purpose of education? is it simply to be able to get a better job, is it to indoctrinate into their own cult of personality? is it to prepare them for life?

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

the best teacher I ever had talked to us like adults and just told us flat out how life really is.. I learned a lot from him.. people don't like being talked down to, not even children - especially children

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:15 PM

thought so

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:15 PM★ Spotlighted

I wouldnt zig heil the flag in third grade where the teacher would scream the children into crying fits. Went back and now he looks like a dying clown! hahaa

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:16 PM

meh idk about that stuff takes talent to indoctrinate they can barely educate

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:16 PM

School is just to make obedient slaves

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

Hiya everyone. I went to a small public school in NW Indiana and it really wasn't that bad. But that was very very very long ago.

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:16 PM

my public school experience wasnt bad either

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:16 PM★ Spotlighted

When I was a kid I started in a private Baptist school, then I was moved to Catholic school, and eventually public. So it was an interesting potpourri of ideas

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:17 PM

@Eleanor - no kidding

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

@Lee, almost. The Divided Police States of Nightmerica had to suufice :)

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:17 PM★ Spotlighted

many parents just wait in the suv line until they get up front and then the door opens up and the kid(s) get out and that is about as involved as the parent gets with the teachers.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:18 PM★ Spotlighted

I actually noticed that my old social studies teacher really did change with the times.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:18 PM

question - do schools in america take responsibility for the kids once they are in the school gates? cos they do over here. or at least,they should do

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:18 PM

When i was married one day I was watching the History channel and there was a show about Germany in WWII. My at the time 13 yr old stepdaughter saw it and crying, she turned to me and asked if Hitler was a real person. She at 13 had no idea about him

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:19 PM

do we have any educators here?

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:19 PM

This is the info that has been occulted from the masses http://www.triviumeducation.com/ wish i wouldve had it sooner

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:19 PM

Lee did you see that Texas dentist guy who is on the board that decides that stuff when he was on Colbert?

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:20 PM

Lee- geez Texas makes me want to puke. why are they so backward?

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:20 PM★ Spotlighted

Mine was good in areas of math, science and history. But fell a little short in science and independent critical thinking. but it was also in the middle of Kansas City Mo, so right in the middle of the bible belt

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

Anything that was withheld from us was definitely corrected in my labor studies classes later on.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

tim history is hard to teach because so much of the material is lies and myth but that hitler comment is surprising

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

alot of kids get their "facts" from films and tv nowadays.

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm here! I made it! Homeschool 'unschooling' is our future to get out of this hell hole!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM

that was supposed to be math, social studies and history, my bad.

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:21 PM★ Spotlighted

With the internet going to to school is old school

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:22 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - Yes

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:22 PM

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/14wyxm/don-mcleroy

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM

dude seriously, what do we need teachers for when we have computers to do the teaching for us. oh wait..

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM

When you "graduate" you are given a "degree" of the truth not the whole thing with a 'square' hat on your head"blockhead"

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

i read somewhere recently that they were going to have computer teachers instead of real ones soon. all because of the shortage of teachers we have

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM

The labor studies at Indiana University has been under attack for years.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM

Good for you, Lisa. We homeschooled for 10 years. The highschool accepted every single credit on the transcript I put together - and used the same German curriculum we did :) Had to stop when we moved my ill grandfather in with us to care for him.

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

My 3 year old knows more than most kindergarten kids. I unschool and teach him critical thinking in terms of playing.

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM★ Spotlighted

The bad part is lower income parents may have no choice but to homeschool with how the government seems to take money away from schools first, causing shutdowns and less people to be able to get an education

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:23 PM

Good homeschooling involves many field trips.

Bob LambrechtJun 24, 2014, 11:24 PM

I have yet to meet any homeschoolers as good as my public school teachers.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:24 PM★ Spotlighted

we still need teachers though but it's hard when they are handcuffed by the curiculum

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:24 PM

depends on the parents my uncle is a dam fool and is homeschooling his children into idiocracy

Chell LynchJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM

I homeschool. my daughter was bullied at the school while teachers watched and sometimes encouraged it... the education is the biggest joke IN mississippi

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - I definitely would. There is no school out there that would be able to provide my child with a better overall grounded foundation of critical thinking. It's a fucking indoctrination. No matter how good the school is.

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM

Homeschooling: the letter factory and Dr. Seuss.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM★ Spotlighted

Warp their little minds, Lee.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM

naj- however stubborn the curriculum may be i think it's still important for educators to try and decolonize the curriculum as much as possible

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:25 PM

The graduate 'hat' represents the square on the chess boards. Pawns on the board to be "played" with a "checkered past"

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

Occupy the playground!!

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee - Hahahaha - the child needs to know the truth with a dash of humor. It's part of his well rounded curriculum.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:26 PM

i agree jesus

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:26 PM★ Spotlighted

One of the issues that I think about with homeschooling is if you have, let's say two parents who don't make alot of money so they have to both pick up a couple of jobs in order to have home, food and the other things one needs plus be able to teach

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:26 PM

if i could go back in time,i'd go to uni. why? mainly cos i wanted to experience it and also so i could get a job. you could back then

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm an expert on homeschooling in Florida. Moved to a new county, met with the superintendent to form a working relationship and hand deliver my intent letter, then told him my kids would be working the family farm. #nosenseofhumor

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

If you can't teach your kids to laugh at the harsh realities of life, then their going to be miserable for the rest of their life!

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:27 PM★ Spotlighted

well people are getting more of their news from comics these days

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

The Greatest History Lesson - John Taylor Gatto - The Truth About Your Education http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCuc-2tfgk

Chell LynchJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

if everyone laughed at the harsh realities of life, nothing would change. that's the problem. its another gov system that doesn't work

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

@Lee - she's a women,we MAKE time

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

We're all public school now. Moved into a great district where the kids are put first. Still dealing with the high-stakes testing issues though...

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

Just don't let them watch Fox News without proper supervision.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

'Decolonize your curriculum and your students will travel across borders with you.' Arash my friend said this to me. he's an educator inside a state penitentiary

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

man the kid who is homeschooled with no real social interaction might be in trouble when they meet their countrymen

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM★ Spotlighted

I would homeschool other children if they lived in my neighborhood and the parents consented with my style of having the child learn through playing and exploration.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

Will do.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM

hello my friends, sorry i'm late LOL

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

What do you think of the Pledge of allegiance?

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM

Many parts of America will not accept a child in school unless the kid has all their vaccinations according to gov/state laws.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

We had to transition to public school when we moved my grandfather in with us. The transition was seamless. The eldest got a lot of "You're too normal to have been homeschooled."

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM

lisa- what if we could bring that sense of exploration into the classroom? it doesn't necessarily only exist within your home

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM

@Dennis Nationalistic bullshit

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

I saw an interesting vid with R Brand discussing the correlation between illiteracy and prisoners in the legal system in Britain. I think a good education isn't something that should be reserved for people with money, it needs to be a human right

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:29 PM★ Spotlighted

i stopped standing for the allegiance in 5th grade no one made an issue about it

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM

I can see that, Lee. Will definitely watch later.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

I never did get my degree. Can MOC make up for it?

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

Eleanor - yes, much like it but those places have gotten more into forcing the children into a school setting which wipes their natural curiosities.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM★ Spotlighted

so glad we dont take the pledge over here.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM

coursera.com, Mike ;)

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:30 PM

Forum of brainwashing

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

I use Pledge on my wood furniture. Does a great job!

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM

@Lee - no its keep calm and sometimes freak out

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM

When I was young and stupid I wanted to be like Rush.

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM

"And when it would come time to say the Pledge in class, I would sit my assndown at that desk.nAnd the only words of it I said were “under God.” I figured we were beyond thenhelp of anybody else." - lyrics from Flags, Lee Bains and The Glory Fires

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM★ Spotlighted

im in atlanta i was here during the cheating scandel when teachers job were tied to the gains the kids made on tests which led to cheating and i promise it's going on everywhere

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM

i got knocked down for making that point

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:32 PM

Better one., did you know that hipster neo nazis in Germany are using the black power salute? lol

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

But we aren't far from that right now Lee. It's fucking depressing how mentally disabled our fucking youth and country has become.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:32 PM

at the middle school i was helping at they would hide the problem kids during testing so the school did not lose funds

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:32 PM

i'm so sick of nationalistic bullshit especially with the world cup going on

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:32 PM★ Spotlighted

Got expelled a few times. Intuition couldnt take the sorcerers cool aid. Full control system rejection

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm going to Unschool my kid.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

i was about 7 tears old when i stopped pledging allegiance to the us. of a lol

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM

children dont learn to think, they learn to take tests. how many under 25 yr olds do you know that have a career?

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM

anecdote - I substituted years ago in a private school where they were having kids retake a standardized test because they butchered it a few days before

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporate States of America...

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

I almost wasn't allowed to graduate because I wrote to the local paper a piece on how the school system doesn't care about our education, they just care about the $$ they get for us being in our seats. the paper printed it and my principal was pissed

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:33 PM★ Spotlighted

where have all the good teachers gone? and why don't people want to be one anymore?

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM★ Spotlighted

If we manage to navigate our children through the mazes of public education or homeschooling, what about college and University. With the rise of student loan debt I have found many young people who think it isn't worth it

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

Lucy, do you see how teachers are treated? no respect from anyone at all anymore

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

For instance, my 3 year old stubbed his toe on a rock while playing at the park and said 'Shit!' You should've seen the dirty stares I got from the parents. I replied 'give the kid credit! He used it in the right context!' It's just a word.

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

Lisa is right I have a bunch of kids from 4th to 10th running around here all the time and only 1 knew the months of the year in order, it was the sadest competition weve had

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

they're less respected than cops, it's quite sad

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

@ Lucy. They don't get paid enough

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

I am a Master's grad nearly and I almost didn't graduate high school because I spoke my mind

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

No pay and little respect, Lucy.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:34 PM

@ben - yes and no. granted teachers are treated like shit but then again some teachers and trained enough to handle "tough" kids

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM

*arent

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM

rachel that is the lesson they want you to learn behave and jump the hoops and you may prosper

Rachel McDonnellJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM

teachers are caught because they can't teach if they don't follow the system, it would be frustrating

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM

They own the history book printers, write the history, the list goes on. All for basic mind control. Warp the synaptic pathways when youre young so you cant think original thoughts

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM

there shouldn't be "tough" kids. they're there to learn. maybe hulk hogan needs to be a teacher these days

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:35 PM★ Spotlighted

Not only that but school budget cuts destroy curriculum's including Creative thinking which = problem solving so art, music and similar subjects are the 1st to go

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:36 PM

When I was a teen my first job was at BK. one of my managers had a Masters in ....it has been awhile but I want to say Liberal Arts, and he couldn't get a job except that one

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:36 PM

all the "noble" jobs are taking a back seat and jobs like lawyers and bankers are now those in favour

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:36 PM

@eleanor, but what would you do with your education? it's certainly no good if you didn't drown yourself in debt for that piece of paper

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:36 PM★ Spotlighted

The schools reward 'rope learning' where you memorize and retain information long enough to pass a test and then forget what you learn. So you aren't applying it.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:36 PM

In schools as well as business it's not what you produce, it's all about making your numbers.

Alin JurcaJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

hi guys, just wanted to remind u of one movie about private schooling Jesus Camp

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

Quit college after a few terms. I know when Im being fucked.. well most of the time ;)

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

i have to say, i feel like i got a great education, but i think at 30, my body is more ready to learn now than ever. 18yr olds aren't ready for higher education

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

My five year-old just finished pre-k. It has already done damage. Her school's principal was halfway cool, though. When I asked for the Columbus Day and Thanksgiving curriculum so I could negate their propaganda, he decided to skip that part of th

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

I think that is a problem in Education and Health care. It has become more about business than then preparing young minds

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

Fcken depressing when schools do fundraisers while Northrup Grumman replaces 500k parts on their shitty ships for no reason

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM★ Spotlighted

For now... Elizabeth Warren has upper education prices in her cross hairs ;)

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

the uncomfortable part is the tfa kids from the burbs cant relate to the city kids and just assume its a behavior or meds issue

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

Unschooling is the concept where you apply what you are taught. Simple yet highly effective and retention is very high since you're using more than one sense to learn it.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:37 PM

all buisnesses nowadays are only worried about how well they do in these stupid meaningless league tables.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

Lee, did you see the detention letter where the kid was arguing with the teacher about which was longer, a KM or mile. the teacher wrote a letter to the parents saying "even though your child was right, he should respect my class and not correct me"

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM

Didn't Columbus found Ohio or something?

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM

anyone ever read the blog Daily Howler by Bob Somerby? one of his pet topics is punlci school education. havent read it in a while but was informative in placing new articles on the ubject into context

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM★ Spotlighted

I'm doing Uncshooling now. Anyone interested, there are groups on FB

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM

and now it comes out that some businesses are fiddling the league tables to make them look better.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM

so tfa people get their school loans paid back to experiment with teaching city kids and then go off into their real life or join a charter

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:38 PM

True story, El. She's not alone though!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:39 PM★ Spotlighted

I have to say that from what I saw from my time in Germany the system there is better as well

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

Great Documentary on childern in a different educational atmosphere "Children Full of Life" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tLB1lU-H0M

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

ugh Ben

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

Can you even imagine how much laughing and learning came from being taught by Socrates and look what they did to him.

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

Lee - what is mandatory? Homeschooling if you don't take your child to school? Well, it's not a simple yes or no.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

i'll try to find it for you

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

LOL conditioning at its finest

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:40 PM

There are hoops through which we have to jump in order to be "allowed" to homeschool

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:41 PM

took several years of Frnech in high school and cant speak it worh a damn

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:41 PM

i think we need to adjust the ages for school. no 15 year old is ready to make life decisions and choose their career path

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:41 PM

I don't know. It seems to be: stick them in front of a computer to watch government approved courses.

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:41 PM

If you homeschool, some states require that you register your child as homeschooled. Other states only require that if the child is asked to take a age appropriate test of grammar and math, that they are able to pass it.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:41 PM

there was a news story only today of a girl who was in hopsital having life changing treatment and she could go to school. she had to take her exams & the exam board wouldnt let her take them cos she was in hospital.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

Not in Florida. The homeschool laws were written largely by homeschoolers. One of the only things Florida has done right.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

thankfully they relented cos the school in the hospital talked to them

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

But school districts (here, at least) must cooperate with homeschooling parents. We can drop in anytime for social events, field trips, dances, etc.

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

that makes one Stella! j/k

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

E that sounds way better than here .I thought HS was a wast of time

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

lol

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM

Theres a home schooled Girl around here 17 yrs old and very low testing standards she gets a total of 6 hrs a week of teacher time. the rest is free for her to do what she wants because the homework is insultingly simple

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:43 PM

Same here, Dawn. We still pay taxes, so extracurricular activities by the school and the county were still open to us to participate in.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

Back in the day, I was encouraged to "learn a trade". They must have meant wall street.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:43 PM★ Spotlighted

@lee, maybe it's not a real story, maybe it is, but it is listed as legend on snopes whatever that means http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/hilliker.asp

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:43 PM

Barter!

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

why learn to trade when electronic front running is still legal? Just get a fast server set up close to the trading floor ;)

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

I could have been sooooo stinking rich!

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

yeah what ever happened to field trips? or days out to the museum with the school? cant do that now. dont know what might happen to the little darlings

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

yes, mold the child to obey, not learn

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

Budget cuts lucy

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

Homeschooling parents collaborate on trips, in my group

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:44 PM★ Spotlighted

feild trips are still in play but parents pay way more than mine did back in the day

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

budget cuts or liability @lucy

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

They MUST obey, Ben!

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

Mike - back then, the nuns taught me a trade too...gold digging (aka legal prostitution!) hahaha...

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

everything has become too fucking PC (thats politically correct). wish they would just stop and let kids be kids.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

i agree mike, who do they think they are

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

kindergarten fight club?

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

Call it what it is, 'Mind Control'. You control the head, you control the body. Social Engineering, Crowd Psychology, Department of "Human Resources"

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM★ Spotlighted

field trips are possibly the best learning experience a child can have

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:45 PM

@ Lucy, that's why I unschool.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

field trips to the brothel is probably the most appropriate

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM

Fear the ruler, Lisa!

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

I feel the solution comes with the same mentality as community gardens where the responsibility is taken upon by after school programs

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM

The thing is they dont want an educated populace. they dont want you out thinking for yourself, so the first thing they do is get you to think along their lines. And if they cant do that, then they torch the system to create a class of workers who

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

im all for it lee

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:46 PM★ Spotlighted

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

lee, it's like entertainment fighting. it used to be just boxing, now it's mma and cage fighting to death

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

here we go again, to the death!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

cant read or write,. They cut that thinking shit right out, because if you think you might become aware of what is going on.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

yes lee i agree the test makers and the industries who will use the data more than likely private prisons

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM★ Spotlighted

Bullying: there are more avenues for it to take place now which need more attention than in the past. Electronic access into the living room and bed room - 24/7 bullying via social media.

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

thats a good point M Stella

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

kids of today know that if a teacher touches them, they can sue that teacher. get them sacked.

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

Unfortunately Lee, the bullying starts at home. We can't stop bullying unless we address it at the home front. Let's face it, we are bullies. 'Merica is a bunch of bullies. Kids just mimic what they constantly see.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

please... bullying via the internet cannot be real

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

kids also have no "moral line to cross" when it comes to hurting others, i would blame worldstarthiphop

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

Education has massively transformed within the last 15 years for sure. K-MA and probably many PhDs as well is not the same anymore due primarily to the Internet. Now the issue is time and how that time is managed.

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

true Lisa

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

Okay Jesus. Thanks for solving that for us!

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

bullying in my day was bloody awful to be honest. no-one wanted to help. and there was no help

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

internet bullying is a joke. turn ur phone off LOL

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

i think we are losing on bullying because we are treating it as something an authority figure has to step in on when the child must learn to defend himself

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:48 PM★ Spotlighted

I was bullied alot when I was a kid. And even sometimes as a rather ancient person I still get it from time to time. It is bad in schools because of the maturity levels of children, but it continues into adulthood

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM

Teach your children Natural Law, and that they have the Right to use 'Defensive Force' to protect themselves. Stop nerfing the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1pkJaNbzLU&feature=kp

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

kids have committed suicide over internet bullying

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM

Who in here has fond memories of their primary education years?

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM

havent they?

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM★ Spotlighted

lee, do you feel bullied? i mean, in reality, you are probably making the first preemptive strike against them and their "ideals and values"

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM

Kids are not being taught empathy because our society lacks empathy. It's worse now.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:49 PM

i had to take a few beatdowns to get a kid to leave me alone and telling the teacher was not going to get it done

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Bullies become cops

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:50 PM

I see it as an issue of accountability and one of the kids here gets bullied regularly by 1 older kid and it was cut down big time by having conversations with both of them. none of these soft ass conversations either

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Lol @lee, mine took the form of a couple of guys wanting to beat me up the other day for "looking" homeless

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

Don't worry Lee, I'll protect you. I have two weapons in my court and they're both Double D's. Hahaha...

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:50 PM★ Spotlighted

@Eleanor - i am

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

too many moron assholes. i dont mind a smart asshole, they're usually witty and dont get offended. it's the moron assholes you gotta worry about

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

How much empathy do kids see in their everyday lives? On TV? from the adults they spend the most time with?

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:51 PM

It's a small town mentality and the younger ones here seem to like to pick on the homeless population. Their seeing my camera changed their mind. I guess if I had a Nikon I must not be homeless

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

When I made everyone work as a team they started to see the group rely on each other it also helps alot when the real bullies are the cops

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:51 PM★ Spotlighted

i agree leo if it we change how kids think about empathy then they can socially ostrasize a bully for behavior

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM

Hehehehe.. true. No TV here

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

empathy TV? you mean propoganda

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

We just need to teach our kids to give a shit about other people.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM

i mean.....TV....you mean propoganda

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

Kids in school are not talk to be empathetic. It's very sad. That's why the world is run by bullies because we foster that mentality at school.

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:52 PM★ Spotlighted

and you make them realize that the world is huge, those insecurities on both sides must be addressed too

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

It's had to teach empathy and compassion in this day and age. My son when given the choice to attend a lecture by the Dalai Lama or playing Call of Duty would pick COD everytime

comet demutaJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

Greets from oz c:

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

Mike is right, giving a shit about others is the most important thing to teach every kid

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

that would take a while

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

leave it for another day

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

Lisa, i think it starts at home and is caused by a vicious cycle of lviing up to expectations of society and struggling or something like that

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

true tim not saying it would be an easy fix

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

Can you imagine your kid coming home from school tomorrow and your not totally into their whole day at the school...everything...can you imagine that?

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

I think Student loans could be a whole topic unto itself

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM★ Spotlighted

student loans are going to wake up this generation of zombies

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

DEBT TRAP... that is all

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

they will realize there is no future

Barry HamillJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

with the internet and google is there any real need for kids to go to school in this day and age ...would their time be better spent hanging around street corners drinking beer and slinging crack

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

Yeah that shit is scary!

Lisa Del ReyJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

That would take days!!! Fuck that shit! I have an Epsom salt bath waiting for me! Lee - love you! Eleanor - you rock! Everyone else - Peace out! :)

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

They can get my loans from my bloated rotting meat machine

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

Why is the lesson of compassion the school's responsibility? That starts at home.

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

remember the dude in Chile?

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

student loans are only going to make another batch of zombie workers, working for the man

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

Ben- What do you mean by wake up?

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

yeah do loans next week

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

Teaching compassion starts at home. Don't wait for school to do it. Duh.

Dennis OwenJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

We need to change the world so our kids dont have to go though this crap

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:54 PM★ Spotlighted

fuck your stupid student loans...send the bill to wall street.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM

@jesus - realize that the world is rigged. that their chances of success are being written by others

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM

you cant put people through the ringer that the poor go through and tell them to teach empathy their area needs a harder shell to survive

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM

that they wont live the life their parents lived

phil chipperJun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM★ Spotlighted

I borrowed money that was printed out of thin air?

Dawn AdamsJun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM

loaned to the banks at .75% interest

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

Student loans should be at that same 0.75% interest rate.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

life is just one long fight to pay off an I.O.U

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

how about a cap on universities

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

teach a kid to be emphathettic on the southside of chicago and he will be a victim

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

EDUCATION SHOULD BE FREE!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

I dont think you can quantify success by any amount of education. Success doesnt mean necessarily alot of money, it can just mean happiness in what you do

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

YES BEN

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

We need to continue this one next week... maybe with a focus on the funds, or lack of.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

Ben- i think people are already realizing this. however, we're waiting for a Malcolm X or MLK Jr to rescue us.

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

lets get into public school CEO pay

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

I think in the late eighties when i got out of high school i was told that if you established residnevcy in CA that tuition to UCLA was almost free

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM

I suepect that isnt the case now?

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:56 PM★ Spotlighted

Jesus, i think it's a good catalyst for change

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:57 PM

less and less "poor" people are now going to uni,mainly cos they cant afford it

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:57 PM

we need a julius cesar!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:57 PM★ Spotlighted

That is brilliant @El

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

Fodder for university: free classes online through coursera.org. I've taken a few: micro-economics; "intro to music production"; "paradoxes of war" - from big U's.

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:58 PM★ Spotlighted

that part in warrens book when she talks about larry summers asking her if she wanted to be an insider or an outsider is everything that is wrong with this country in one conversation

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:58 PM

but i agree. higher education should not be reserved for the few who hold high levels of privilege, but should be a right to every single individual in our country.

Mike DwornikJun 24, 2014, 11:58 PM

As I once told one of our bosses..."Its not what you actually do around here, it's how much dick you suck!" He didn't like that.

Jesus FloresJun 24, 2014, 11:58 PM

i wish college was free *cries5ever*

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

the commodity now is time.

M StellaJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

I'm still plugging away through my graduate studies. I put them off to homeschool for a decade.

Lucy DyerJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

and they have only just recently stopped colleges offering course in David Beckham...i'm not joking!

Tim HayesJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

Same here. in my case I felt that I could learn more just by going out and doing

leo martinezJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM★ Spotlighted

Im a youtube university graduate and it hurts that my 90k in debt friend cant keep up in graphic design

Ben RischJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

Summers said something about you don;t criticize insiders if you want to be one

naj jonesJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

yup @ben

Ben HertzJun 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

if college was free, how would you know who to let into your secret societies

M StellaJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

HAGN all!

leo martinezJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

you dont have to go to school there to enjoy the parties

Dawn AdamsJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

I learned how to build houses and furniture at a community college. It's working out OK for me

naj jonesJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

telling her basically if she wanted to be able to change things she had to learn to play ball with the powerful

Tim HayesJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

Take care all. see you all again soon

Ben RischJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

:) Ben

Mike DwornikJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

Thanks, Kids!

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Great tawk as always you two!! thank you :-)

Tim HayesJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

@Lee and @El, love you both, keep up the fight

leo martinezJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

AND WATCH REDACTED TONIGHT!

Ben HertzJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

@lee you gonna do half hour shows all the time now? that last one was great!

Ben RischJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

g'night al

Ben RischJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

all

Dawn AdamsJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

Thanks

naj jonesJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

night all

comet demutaJun 25, 2014, 12:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Thank you so much!

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

because people are getting up in the East and coming home in the West

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

@Eleanor - i saw that. looks great

Dawn AdamsJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

Nice artwork, Lucy

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

thanks Dawn :-)

Ben HertzJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

can we get luke radolfski in here one night?

Ben HertzJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

or however you spell his name lol

Lucy DyerJun 25, 2014, 12:01 AM

suggest a tawk with him ben

Barry HamillJun 25, 2014, 12:47 AM

damn....what did i miss

Johnathonfall thethirdJun 25, 2014, 1:15 AM

We forgot to talk about the school lunches.

Daniel QualkinbushJun 25, 2014, 1:45 AM

Sorry that I've not been able to attend these sessions lately, work schedule conflicts. I hope to be able to attend another soon.

Bruno CoimbraJul 9, 2014, 7:21 PM

Marissan

Bruno CoimbraJul 9, 2014, 7:21 PM

Marissa

xwaste xwasteAug 21, 2014, 5:45 PM

hallo

خا

خالد البطنيجيSep 14, 2014, 2:29 AM

sahar