Lee Camp

Toxic Spills, GMOs, & More

Jan 22, 2014

Eleanor Goldfield
Stage· 317 messages
Jan 22, 2014

Between the West VA chemical spill, the harm of GMO's, the various oil spills, and more - Corporate destruction of our environment and bodies is BIG BUSINESS. We'll discuss the good, bad, and ugly of it AND how to stop it.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us for the weekly tawk
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hi Lee
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Welcome everybody! Today we're taking on the toxic corporate spills - both in our land, our food, and everything else. And as always - welcome my amazing co-host Eleanor Goldfield.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

hey Eleanor and Lee.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

;)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

First things first - can everybody tweet/FB that they're here. Tell people to join us!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Let's start with the loveliness going on in West VA right now.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Most of you know there's a chemical spill there that has fucked up the water of 1/6th of the population of West VA
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

Latest update: "only safe for putting out fires or flushing the toilet"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Latest updates are that they say it's safe to drink again but people are reporting a crazy smell and continued problems.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Eleanor, you're probably right - that's what it should be used for.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

Sounds like it could be used to fuel a fire
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

But let's hope the fire *storm* over this doesn't get put out.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

Yeah, people in the town who have drunk the water are ending up in the hospital

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

And the company also filed for bankruptcy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Apparently the company - Freedom Industries has filed for bankruptcy to protect it from lawsuits
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

So as not to need to pay
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

Yes Lee - get out of my brain
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

HA!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

And it gets better!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

Do tell
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

The company financing the bankruptcy was created yesterday!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

And it's owned by... wait for it... the owner of Freedom Industries!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

Ha - I had not heard that, but I'm not surprised
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

So that when Freedom is dissolved, the assets will go to -- You guessed it - the same dude who owns Freedom.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

How is this legal?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

Clifford Forest
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

@Jordan, that's the issue. Legal b/c they have the money to make it legal
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

Ironically, despite the bankruptcy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

And what I think this points to is how our system is rigged at several levels - the rich have the lawyers and the accountants who can come up with shit like this!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

James . . . a good point to be sure. But as Jefferson said, "The greatest threat to tyranny is an educated populace." Look at what's happening in our schools! The students are not being taught critical thinking skills or how to challenge authority.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

like how it's illegal to ban fracking in colorado
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

And of course TPP is trying to make it illegal to ban just about anything - as long as it's pillaging the environment
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

very good point as well, paul. education is severely lacking in this country and continues to drop off. education has to come from 3rd parties
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

can we ban the ban?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

can we ban the word ban? - thats what i meant to say

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

in good news, I read a headline today that the TPP is dying - even dem senators aren't supportive
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

Yeah, but don't back off the TPP. They'll try to salvage it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

just like they did with net neutrality
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

Corporate lobbyists have been working on it for over 6 years
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

and the problem isn't always immediate cause and effect. look at the BP oil spill - or exxon valdez.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

the Gulf is still in disarray, with no concrete sense of the damage, particularly deep sea wise. BP? clean slate
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Just like ants running around a tree that gets in their way, when the corporatocracy runs into a tree (like SOPA and PIPA failing), they swarm around it and keep going.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

totally agree = need to keep fighting, but also celebrate the little wins
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

The TPP affects everyone...as does Net Neutrality...it's to the point where I wanna fly out and get in face to face with the people in power ;)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Yeah, I hope that West VA doesn't end up like the Gulf of Mexico - with eveyrone forgetting and moving on.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Important to keep these things in the news.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

and that's on us
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

activists, that is
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Yes, Lee, and I am afraid those same ants are still circling Iran, even though the new PM has been a consistent advocate of peace. Now new legislation is in to continue eco sanctions. Fuckery!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

and alternative media
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

These ants resemble modern day hipsters...no passion simply attention whores! ;) xoxo

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

Michael - you're totally right. They're circling Iran and Syria.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

right on, eleznor!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

preaching escapism, Helena - that's what most in our generation do
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

I commend Suzie on the new nickname
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

hahaha
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:10 AM

i'll add it to my list
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

By the way, @eleanorgoldfieldswede we LOVED the track you sent us! Music and activism is a beautiful thing...as is comedy and activism...If you can make someone laugh they will listen without anger.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

thanks Helena - glad you liked it.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Yeah, that acoustic track kicked ass.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Ya, Syria is just more destablization, much like Libya and Iraq.. they will continue to hack at that tree till it falls.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

oh you guys - stop ;)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

but anyway - back to corporate poisoning...
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

Does anyone have family in West VA? I wonder if anyone has heard anything.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Helena. Ya, Rooftop Revo rock :) Complicity is an important song, especially for us activists... we need to continue to fight back otherwise we are just subsumed by the corporate oligarchs.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

West VA is what big business has always been just in the dark.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

I think it's sad that the government we pay taxes to to protect us has, in effect, become the patsy "yes man" to the rich.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

Michael brings up a point that makes me think of corporate poisoning overseas
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

Chevron, for example. Lee had a great MOC about them suing the victims of their own toxic dumping
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

And speaking of people not being educated on these types of spills/problems - there's an oil spill twice the size of the Exxon Valdez spill underneath the streets of Williamsburg, Brooklyn and no one knows it.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

Here's the Chevron video - to watch after the Tawk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjDGAj5jIos
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Yep, from what I've heard, Nestle is the biggest bottler of water and is buying up all the reserves; this is parallel to the poisioning of water, because if the natural taps of water are poisioned then you gotta go to the corp. scums like Nestle.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:14 AM

Nestle: "water is not a right"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

Yeah, Nestle is one of the worst.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

You mean the corporations who control the Media and Government didn't tell us about them destroying our country?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

what nestle is doing to promote baby formula in countries where mothers can't afford it is horrific as well
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

Yeah, the baby formula thing has been going on forever. It's pretty sick. For those who don't know, Nestle and others told poor people that breast milk was not good enough.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

Meanwhile if you spill your oil change in the yard you get a ticket.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

They then pimped their baby formula to everyone who had no way to afford it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Eleanor --- right!!!! the CEO actually had the nuts to fucking say that water is not a right. what is next? we cant breath oxygen without their masks they sell to us?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

Many children had malnutrition because their mothers stopped giving them breast milk
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

What is it going to take to get the zombies to come alive and join the fight? Some bimbo like Brittany Spears or Kim Kardashian to speak out? So many of us are trying and trying but the majority of the population isn't budging from the celebrity bull

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from James Marin

Buy baby formula, buy the water to make the baby formula and buy the medical care for your sick children= win for corporations.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

this is the corporate coup, which also ties into what paul mentioned about education.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee. Yup. And the babies werent getting enough natural nutrients and were developing diseases and in some cases dying from complications.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

make people believe that your poison is the cure and make them pay for it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

it's like paying for a flu shot with cancer in it
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

So step one to stopping this kind of shit is indeed education
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

People who know what to buy is very important
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Nestle was going door to door dressed in a white lab coat to look legit but they were just salesman selling snake oil. where did i see/read that? Lee did you do an MOC on that? or was it BTS?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

absolutely. using your money to direct activism is very powerful
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

Speaking of white lab coats, Exxon and BP will have their "doctors" check out victims of their oil spills to say everybody is okay.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

The people also sign things in order to get seen by the "free" doctor.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

Just like Monsanto will have their scientists judge whether the GMOs are safe or not
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

They did that after the spill in Mayflower, Arkansas
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

You can't really even get upset with the ones who aren't awake as many of them are simply wrapped up in their day to day struggle with survival, where they don't even have the time of day to spend educating themselves on these issues.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

Helena, you don't have to be mad at them. But we can't just shrug it off either. We have to keep screaming in their faces - Eleanor, don't you have a video about that coming out soon? Heh.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee -- Jesus F. Christ. That is so evil. Like, goosestepping, toothbrush mustache evil.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

It's like we have to make it super cool to be an activist...haha :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

Yep. Folk Devils - it'll be released in a few weeks
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

@helena Yeah, Make activism the cultural norm instead of ignorance!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

Helena - I totally agree. We gotta keep making it cool to care again.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Helena makes a very good point, something I struggle with because my job just drains me and I am single and have zero kids. how much more so for peeps that are saddled with that shit?!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

So how do we make it cool and sexy to fight?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

that's very true. with the economy the way it is, people working 3 full time jobs, i can't expect them to be out there in the streets with me every day
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

in terms of making it cool, pop culture has to make it cool
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:21 AM

that's one of my main points for the band and indeed, looking cool
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

no significant change has ever taken place politically without the push of pop culture
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

Eleanor, if only you were cool, maybe that would help. Alas, some things can't be helped.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee -- leather pants? No, no pants. yes, no pants. OR, fig leaves... old schooool

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

;) we all have our shortcomings
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

*whispers*...Folks Devils is fucking awesome.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

Ha. Fig leaves would make a difference.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

you would get noticed, that's for sure
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

maybe a festival like woodstock, yearly to point out the bs they are doing.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

It's interesting to see how the media makes sure to play into this paradigm - that activists are either crazy or loopy or whatever.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

of course. like the crazy guy on the corner shouting about goo goo clusters or jesus
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:24 AM

entertainment and art is a great and effective way to connect with the people in this generation and get them involved.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

And largely, EG, they won't highlight musicians or comedians or artists who make giving a shit seem like a fun thing to do.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

Eleanor - goo goo clusters?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

My kids are well aware of current issues though, and sometimes they get into debates with their teachers over the stuff I teach them here at home!!! :) I love it!!!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Stanley - I love that. Let's make kids argue with their teachers.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

ha - it's something one of the homeless people used to say when i was homeless in LA. the goo goo clusters are coming. but that's another story
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

yes - that's awesome!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

get the kids thinking, questioning and debating!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

Good point Lee . . . Remember George Carlin? He talked about the war, the army, the government indiscretions and he made a difference. No one wants to hear any of that any more.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

what happened to the dylan's and lennon's of the the world? those artists who fought for good and yet still had a hold within the pop culture paradigm..

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

that's exactly what's missing, Rachel
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

and that's why politics were socially "in" back in the day
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

We need a national "Brand" that stands for change, so we can use propaganda to enlighten the masses to their sheepness, and gain some leverage.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

b/c artists talked about them and were constantly engaged.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

@Daniel - it is a good point - using advertising, branding and marketing to push the message forward. that's really important. things like 99% or activist imagery
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

Yeah, but with Carlin - he got famous as a silly comedian and then made the switch to a deep comedian. Hollywood had already let him in and I think they regretted it. Ha.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

i'm not as pessimistic as the rest. I think people want to help and give back, they just don't know the information or what/how to do it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

so Lee, are the dick jokes on their way?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

I say "dickhead" plenty in my rants!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

or jizzwaffles
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

or twat-faces
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

we also need environments that oromote everyones to stand up and speak! like this one :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Rachel @ Eleanor -- yep. nowadays you just talk about the thigns you got -- consumerist gods at the alter -- rather than the things peeps dont got cuz teh powers that be horde them. "When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose." D

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

Jefferson also said something like, "A society is judged by its artistic culture." How will we be judged? By Miley Cyrus or Katy Perry?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

Another example - there are rappers talking about real shit, like Immortal Technique, but they mainstream outlets won't let them get above a certain level.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

Talk about cars and women and then you can be promoted to the highest peak.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

the sad thing is that too many folks think that backing a politician or fighting the duck dynasty bullshit is enough. it's not that people don't care, it's that they don't direct their caring at the right things - anti-corporate, etc.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Yeah, Suzie, I think those things are basically used to exhaust our outrage as a people.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

folk devils :)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

shiny, shiny - over here
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Get upset about Kanye West or Duck Dynasty, but ignore the corporations that are raping the environment.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Immortal Tech Revolutionary Vol 2 --- TRUTH

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

the fast track was introduced while everyone was talking about fucking bridges
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

Yeah, you basically must speak of cars, tits, booty, money and hoes while having your song under 3:30 (three minutes and thirty seconds) to get anywhere NEAR the radio.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

The keen part of this problem is that they hit right when the public is poorest, so they control many who just need to pay their bills, no superior prison has never been built.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

I've never fucked a bridge.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

you're missing out
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

Unfortunately, Lee, the advantage that Lennon and Dylon had was that they played music that the older generations at least tolerated . . . It's unfortunate, but if they won't listen, they won't hear

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

I'll have to try it. Do you have to be as big as Christie to do it?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

@eleanorgoldfield yeah fucking bridges and goddamn Duck Dynasty! WTF!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

you can get a fat suit
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

I have fucked a bridge player, but she was like 105.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

hahah - well, that's a visual
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

I feel like this tawk has been lead astray.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

It would be an interesting experiment to see if someone would hear political lyrics put to "Fly Me to the Moon!" hahahaha

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

right now, RR is working on a cover of "We Will Rock you"
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

with more politically charged lyrics
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

Amazing
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Liz Ratcliff

I just heard that in the WV oil spill, there is another chemical that wasn't disclosed.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Liz, it wasn't oil, but point taken.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

I think you're right, Lee . . . Back to Toxic spills . . .

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

@Stanley - Tomb raider
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

Who needs political songs when you have RATM?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

ha - but those are political songs
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Josh - only one band for you?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

The sad truth is that the corporate argument is that if we put down more regulations, it will cost jobs . . .

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

Not true! Don't buy the hype!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

that argument is completely looped.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

I think it's so sad that we have NO REGULATION on how much a CEO can make! Take the money from his pocket and create the fucking jobs!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

No matter the amount of regulation or amount of fucking the worker that goes on - the CEO's will continue to take every inch they can.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

Nike could have workers in the US, pay them properly, and STILL make a ton of money.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

make it so that the lowest paid employee has to make a percentage of what the CEO makes - a fair percentage
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

But our unfettered capitalism says "that's not enough, you have to make ALL the money."
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

I'm a corporate refugee - the a-holes at the top completely believe they've earned every last billion...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Not only that, but CEO's are guaranteed to win out in the end. there is no bang or bust. they just bet crazily with peoples pensions and then get bailed out.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Eleanor - agreed.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

that's what the whole 2008 shit storm was based on
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

making bullshit gambles with our money that they didn't have to pay for
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

Also (and I've said this before) corporations need charters that are voted on by the people. So they can be revoked.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

Regulations are only necessary because of the profit motive for business, Take away thier profit and make all oil companies non profit organizations.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

absolutely. yes
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

that's how they started and that's how they should still exist
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

yes to charters!!!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

how can an entity have all the rights of a citizen, yet have limited liability???

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

This all goes back to Citizens United.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

Josh - a lot of it was before that.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

that's part of it, but this was just a topping for what was already happening
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

In fact corporations were declared people before Citizens United
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Lee -- yes Lee!! You have said that and should keep saying it!! It is a solid idea.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Spataro

And they should be held financially and legally accountable for their actions with no no no ability to declare bankruptcy or go to federal easy prison

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

But with Citizens United now corporations can pay to have laws made in their behalf.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

they could before that as well
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

CU declared money as speech.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from James Howard

Goes back tot he 70s when Keynesian models failed to predict or rectify the economic crisis - enter the early era of Reganomics

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Glass Steagal was big. It broke down the firewall between commercial and investment banks! that needs to be repealed. happened in nineties with clinton admin. i beleive

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

exactly - started with neo-cons and friedman style economics took precedent
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

Yes, Glass Steagal was a big loss (under Clinton).
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

then we started experimenting in south america - chile, argentina. another example of corporate poisoning and government sanctioned coups
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

yes, you need to reinstate glass steagal

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

In Greenwald's book Liberty and Justice For Some (kick ass title) he explains that Glass-Steagal was a major moment that brought about the onset of toxic instruments like derivates and shit.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

We started experimenting with how much fun we could have with debt. (and by "we" I mean the assholes at the top)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

that just goes to show how little the politicians think of the power of the people, or are afraid of it, when they take an act like that out of power.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

We could ban anyone who is within 3 generations of a "public Servant" Illegal to run for office.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

exactly stanley - we do have the power, we just have to use it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

any gmo news?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Eleanor -- Yep! "Regime change" is the common euphemism. I think Noam Chomsky has the number at like 70 plus nations have undergone "regime change" or coups orchestratd by covert CIA ops, since the sixties. fuuuuuckery.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Yeah, we have 20 mins left and we did promise to get to GMO's.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

By the way, still time to tell people to come join us - just post the link to your twitter or FB or vine or bliggidyblooooo!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I've noticed more and more products in the stores labeling "non-gmo product" which is cool! :) If they won't label it's nice to know non-gmo products are beginning to

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

some independent companies do label their products GMO-free. problem is it's not regulated so hard to make sure
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

So I've agreed to be the creator of a petition (via Credo) demanding that General Mills drop GMO's form their cereals. The reason we picked them is because they agreed to drop them from Cheerios but not the others.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

I don't think the petition is live yet, or I would post it here.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

It's interesting that General Mills is basically admitting GMO's are suspicious enough or harmful enough to be taken out of Cheerios, but not the others.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

"Russian scientists are calling for a 10-year moratorium on GMOs to thoroughly study their influence on human health, stressing that such examinations are vital." RT.com http://rt.com/news/gmo-ban-russian-scientists-293/

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

ha - yeah, i remember seeing that. awesome that you're authoring that!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

I say boycott generaly mills and kelloggs they are moving everything out of NA anyway

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well a lot of these products are also certified organic so you know they aren't gmo but yes out of the organic section it would be tough to know. keep fighting to ban gmos!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

Does "organic" have a strong meaning on packages or no?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:44 AM

the issue is also that organic doesn't necessarily mean GMO free
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

strong meaning? what do you mean?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

certified organic is a thing. you have to pass standards
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tyler Ruth

Can you really call something that was frozen in transit organic though?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Yes. Good point Eleanor. http://gmo-awareness.com/2011/05/05/is-organic-always-gmo-free/

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

I heard Doritos was giving out free GMO's. But I guess that's different than GMO free.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

hahaha
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Nyberg

I am really liking the buycott app it is a really good tool to see who you are buying from and if you agree with their business practices.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

semantics
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

yes. buycott is great!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from C J

we tend to think about effects on humans first but in fact the effect of gmos on the environment is epically disastrous

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yeah USDA certified organic label and then they have some new labels "the no-gmo project" hat is a non-profit trying to get non-gmo companies to label their products with

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

"If USDA certification requires at least 95% of content to be organic, and a GMO ingredient can’t be included in that 5%, then USDA Organic is GMO-free, right? Not always. Depending on the product, sometimes there are tiny loopholes."

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from C J

you can't be organic and gmo - the gmo plants require matching chems to make em happen

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

And similar to the chemical spill we started this Tawk with - when the repercussions of GMO's hit the people (cancer, etc.) the corporations that put them out there will simply disappear and the millionaires will move on.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

loopholes, exactly
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“The casings for those tasty USDA Organic sausages can come from conventionally raised animals that have been fed antibiotics (or GMO-laden corn). The hops in your favorite organic beer can be sprayed with all manner of chemical pesticides and fert"

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

Same with factory farms - which are quickly causing antibiotic-resistant organisms that could ultimately cause a pandemic - the corporations doing that don't give a fuck about 10 years from now.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from C J

I was an organic farmer for 30 years - can't use chemicals period - to be "certified"

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

Thanks CJ. How often did you get tested to make sure you were keeping to that?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

Organic meat cannot have antibiotics or growth hormones in them.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

And there have been disturbing cases where peeps that show Big Agro doing horrendous shit, through cell vids, you can be charged with corporate espionage

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

well yes so again it comes down to us not enforcing regulations... like food safety and protection against contamination... didn't we solve this problem like 100 years ago?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

They have begun to change the description of GMO's to simply beat around the bush about the truth to consumers....kinda like how Edward Bernays did when he twisted the term Propaganda into Public Relations after the Nazi's gave propaganda a bad rep

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Paul Nyberg

I just went vegan about a year back not because I didn't want to eat animals it was just an easy way of not getting the extra hormones/anti-biotics I do love animals though.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:50 AM

If that is the case, awesome! But I've heard that b/c GMO seeds can be "organically" duplicated and of course - thru corporate loopholes -foods containing GMOs can be organic, technically speaking
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Josh, I am just citing this article, with author Barry Estabrook, who states that it is happening. I hear you though..

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

Money is still the root of all these problems, kill the fed, end hunger, start over.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

It's not just the Fed, we have to get money out of politics completely.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

oh so if they make an "organic copy"? those sneaky sons of bitches

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

That's how these regulations (or lack) get through.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tyler Ruth

Ya I've never thought of that. So basically you make a GMO, let it breed once or twice and say looook it's naaatural.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

Large powerful corporations will always use government as their arm, if they have the ability.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Liz Ratcliff

Yes money out of politics.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from C J

pretty much annually - they won't let you have treated lumber fence posts within a certain distance from your fields. it is very strict - it is tate by state. gmo's require the matching chems to make them happen -

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

right @lee must end profit as a motive, and set humanity and civility back at the top of what matters in america.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:52 AM

basically - these are the kind of loopholes allowed via deregulation and as lee points out, money as the keystone of our political system
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

"The USDA’s loophole list also includes two far more common ingredients: non-organic cornstarch (which in our opinion is long overdue for removal from the “acceptable” list, considering how many sources of organic cornstarch are now readily avail"

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

I went through about a month of Organic training at Whole Foods before I was hired. You can't even cut a conventional orange on an organic cutting board that is how strict the guidlines are.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

wow - really divergent opinions on the virility of organic rules. huh, need to look more into this
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

sadly, i think the rules for smaller organic farmers and workers are different than for big corporations
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

grow your own food,eat your own food. dont buy the crap thats in the shops. maybe THEN people will listen that this shit aint ok.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

so i think we could all be right in this - it's not one rule for all
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

how do you do that in a city? def not as easy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

I think it's clear that in order to bring about change on GMO's, we need to know the specifics and the rules that already exist (which sound pretty lax).
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Eleanor -- Yep. There are big corporations which label foods "organic" because it is chic and marketable, and then there are those true organic farmers, like Joshua..

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

@suzie - i know several cities like oakland, CA that have city plots
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

There's a lot of big food corps that try to make their products look green by putting various labels on them. Gotta make sure they're the real deal.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from C J

the smaller organic farmers are very regulated - at least in pa

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

glad to hear it CJ!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

I wanna put out my own cereal with the motto "WE don't cause cancer!" and then everyone would assume the other ones do.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

we need to get those regulations to sweep across the board
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

@CJ yeah in Upstate NY the organic markets are getting shut down left and right

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

Taylor - by who?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

hahaha - that needs to go into the suggestion box for GM
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Melissa Chitwood

Think Kashi. They try to come off as a small company, but are a subsidiary of Kellog's

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

Exactly Lee... If you look at the label and it is chemicals listed its not organic or natural. Natural can be real ingredients that were treated with pesticides but Organics have to be natural without pesticides.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

oh! another cool thing is the free food movement - they want everyone to grow free organic food all of cities it's a pretty great idea I think! a few cities have food gardens where people can go and pick food for free! :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

co-ops, and growing your own food, and other things are pretty important (even though I do none of them)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Taylor Thorington

Local govs, its not a good thing from what I understand. They are literally being over regulated out of business.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

(sad face)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

“The National Organic Standards Board (NOSB), which has the power to determine what materials can — and cannot — be used in organic production, too often weakens regulations in the face of intense lobbying by corporations" figures

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

buying locally a la farmers market is the next best thing
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

i do'nt grow anything on my own either - absolutely no green thumb. i've killed a cactus before
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tyler Ruth

you at least make your own coffee...right Lee....

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

No, I have my child workers do that. They're great!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

Co op in anything is a good idea

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

haha
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

You said that like the cactus was coming after you.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

it was. you should've seen it
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Tyler -- Yes, Lee employs an alien and roasts beans with the tears from his aforementioned alien in order to enjoy his brews.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Hey guys, here's my video on GMO's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYg1TJ9PZiQ
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

employs michael? no no - slave labor
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

We're heading out in a minute. Hope you'll keep in touch @LeeCamp on twitter and LeeCampComedian on Facebook
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

EG - give yours
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

wow, is this really ending on killer cacti and alien labor?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

@rooftopeleanor and @rooftoprev
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Suzie - we did talk about solutions throughout, such as education, community, awareness
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

rooftoprevolutionaries.com and eleanor-swede.com
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Great tawk! Thanks Lee and Eleanor! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

Thanks everyone for joining in!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

LeeCamp.net (And tell your friends to come to this tawk EVERY Tuesday!)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Stanley Ulch

I am on daily, promoting tawkers, and your MOC on social media lee :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

I know! just kidding
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

you guys keep doing this it will grow.....KEEP FIGHTING!!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Stanley - love you, man!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

By the way, you guys can keep talking. It doesn't stop when we leave (I don't think) .
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Joshua Richoux

Oh wow ever Tuesday I will be here .

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

Thanks Joshua
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Helena Kirby

facebook.com/helena.kirby and facebook.com/georgemorrismusic to check out my band! :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:01 AM

Keep fighting