Jordan Birnbaum

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Tuesday Night Tawkers Club

Jan 15, 2014·30 visitors

Rebecca Westbrook Toker

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Jan 15, 2014

No subject. No agenda. No outline. No idea. Just a Tuesday night hang-out session among friends. We'll Tawk about whatever comes up and whatever you bring up. It's almost certain to be outrageously fun, assuming you bring your A-game.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

Ms. Westbrook Toker, I presume?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“this could be interesting :-)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

I think the word you're looking for is SHOULD...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

so I see a bunch of witty folks in the forum

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Kant said out of chaos comes order. Here, I hope we stick to chaos - order is boring.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:05 AM

Hey there, hi there! How are you all???

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

boring is for the weak-minded...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

My biology teacher nicknamed me Entropy. Order isn't likely, Rick.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Or weak kneed”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

I bet you haven't been bored for 50 years, Rick

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

boring is nice, I live for boring

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey Rebecca!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:06 AM

Hey, Lucy!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

Whatcha been workin' on?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

"boring" and "comforting" share quite a few letters.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

all right kiddos -we're here to tawk about whatever.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:07 AM

So do "read" and "read"...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

So here's something on my mind

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

Yeah?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

I watched the debut episode of True Detective on HBO

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

looks very promising, btw...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

It looks very violent.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

but this one character says something about human existence that I'm having a hard time shaking

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

Based on the ad on the back of Rolling Stone.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:08 AM

What'd s/he say?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

he (matthew macounoughy) sp?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

says that humanity is an anomaly. that self-awareness at this level does not fit with the rest of nature.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

and that the honorable thing for us to do is stop having children and allow ourselves to go extinct.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

self awareness is the suffer of life

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:10 AM

That's pretty nearly true.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

I have always thought about similar stuff -like, the lion doesn't have to feel guilty for eating the zebra...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:11 AM

Yeah!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

but I feel conflicted recently eating bacon

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“as george carlin said "the planet is fine,the people are f**ked!"”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

that's certainly apropos

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“As long as the pig was kosher killed . . .”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

I have this crazy dichotomy in my head, because I'm very empathetic and kind, but I'm also very cold about things like the certainty of death and all taht.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

like, the idea of death doesn't faze you?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

Nope.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

Not that I want to die right now - I mean, if I did I could handle that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:12 AM

But we all die. And some of us need to die.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

And we kill ourselves and each other pretty often.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

And we make poor choices.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

I like to think I'm going to face my demise with nobility and courage...but who knows, really?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“:D Hi Lucy, Tawkers!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:13 AM

A bunch more of us are going to die very soon, and that will be helpful.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

been too long, Mano!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Did you all dig Woody Allen's line about death and Francois Truffaut?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

what was it rosner?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“this is just a phrase we all going thru. like we are here to learn stuff”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

i like that perspective, Lucy

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

At the same time, I feel very deeply the pain that mother feel when they lose children, for example, the pain in other struggles and unfairnesses that people are experiencing.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Although Truffaut is dead his films will live on after him. Unfortunately, it doesn't do Francois any good.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

yeah, my sense of empathy is too intense. I mean, I really hurt for other people I don't even know...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:14 AM

Woody Allen. <3

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“wish my mother felt that pain,rebecca”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

very good line, Rick

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“You read Rolling Stone?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

is there something in Rolling Stone worth reading?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:15 AM

Me too, Lucy. Some moms are just not too good at it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

I like Matt Taibi from Rolling Stone. He hammers the big banks with lots of curse words.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

The articles in the middle of Rolling Stone can be good, if you don't take them too seriously.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:16 AM

Skip the front and the back.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:16 AM

So empathy -do you think this is the single characteristic most crucial to determing whether or not someone is an asshole?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

I think some people are assholes because they're too empathetic.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

Men, mostly.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:17 AM

how so?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:17 AM

because they're NOT SUPPOSED to be, so they try to go counter to their impulses.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i saw the word "asshole" and instantly thought "politician"... is there a connection?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

i use to be polite and hold the door till i moved to New York - now i don't care if the door swings back and knocks someone over

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

well, yeah, authentic empathy only...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

So...environment plays a big role. :D

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

anything that isn't authentic is shit.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“I was like that with my first gf. And I think that one guy from It's Always Sunny in Philly put on "sympahty fat" when his wife got pregnant.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:18 AM

Sympathy fat is a real thing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

you mean, you put on weight to make someone feel better?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

Lots of men do that because women are EXUDING hormones - notably estrogen, which contributes to weight gain.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

i have sympathy fat and no one is pregnant

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:19 AM

That's whiskey sympathy fat

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“FUCKING GROSS!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:19 AM

Nah, it's kind of sweet, when you think about it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:20 AM

So Always Sunny is on my list of shows I need to Netflix

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

Two people are so close that one's hormonal shifts causes phenotypical changes in the other.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

Always Sunny sucks.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:20 AM

oh really?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

I'm not a tv person, anyway, though.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:20 AM

most people seem to love it

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Funniest thing on TV.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:20 AM

But I saw and episode or two that we pirated in Honduras

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

and it was the opposite of entertaining.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

i like when dee was on crack

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

I assume Dee is a character?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

the female charchter

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“That was my favorite episode for the longest time!!!!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

I also fail to enjoy

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

oh sit, I forgot the name!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

arrested development?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:21 AM

The show with all the geeks

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:21 AM

Freaks and geeks?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

who probably have personality disorders.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

Arrested development was sort of okay.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

I mean, you just described 90% of television

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Oh Big Bang Theory?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

Freaks and Geeks was uncomfortable

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

Saved by the Bel

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

That's it!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:22 AM

for the record, I LOVE arrested development

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

Big Bang Theory!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:22 AM

I kept seeing that on airplanes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

God, what a waste of everything.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

I mean, the double entendre is absolutely hilarious. not.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

I watched Arrested Development for/with my husband.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Yeah Arrested Development is OKAY but the last season that was on Netflix is LOL funny.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

i really enjoyed orange is the new black

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

I kind of enjoyed it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

As far as tv goes.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

i could have lived without it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I thought it was great when people actually read those things with paper and ink - you know, books. Extra points if they were written before the year of your birth.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:23 AM

But the new season was pretty epic.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“I did not like Orange is the New Black. I do not like that we are so comfortable with prison as entertainment.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:24 AM

So, do we think we are worse off because we watch tv and movies instead of reading books?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

Yeah, not funny.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:24 AM

Um, I mean, in some ways yes and in other ways no.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:24 AM

like, is the rte something more fundamentally valuable about reading a story vs. watching it?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:24 AM

i read books, occasionally

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Too much popular entertainment "normalizing" prison life and experiences.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:25 AM

(interesting point but I went a different way)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

Research shows that the brain does less work when you watch a show.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“T.hat killed the conversation, Jordan. How sad”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“I still read but not like I used to. It's like playing Dungeons & Dragons: I have too much IRL shit on my mind to focus.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:25 AM

less is more

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:25 AM

However, our emotional response centers are highly active, in ways that we do not fully appreciate.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

We have similar emotional responses when seeing violence on tv to actually seeing it in real life, for example.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Well I need no research to know that; it's obvious. You are receiving information visually, not processing it internally. :)”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

But we DO process it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

And I think we need to pay attention to that!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:26 AM

so, are we repulsed by seeing violence, or turned on, or what?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:26 AM

What does that DO to us????

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“It's interesting to read that things actually existed before cell phones and reality tv.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:26 AM

sush Rick, i am in denial about that

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“No, those are two different things there, Rebecca. I understand what you're saying but those are two different things.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i like books”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

Well, it makes a lot of children act out.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

Small children are being expelled from prescolls in record numbers.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

really?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

Even higher than in public schools.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

I've never heard that?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

For behavioral manifestations.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:27 AM

how come?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:27 AM

People are looking into the causes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

they won't sit down

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Studies aren't complete - the work is being done.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Better read fast, before some religious zealots decide that knowledge if harmful.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

But I think part of it has to do with media that they consume.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:28 AM

Small children have to process very complex images, very mature images, with no frame of reference.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Again, untrue! They're being expelled for hugging one another, wearing the wrong T-shirts, using the word "gay," etc.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

And now they are over-scheduled, so they have less down-time in which to do so,.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:29 AM

so Mano is suggesting that we're imposing silly standards on them?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

Mano, some of that is happening, but not at preschool.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:29 AM

The preschool studies are trying to find out why little kids are hurting each other.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

I'm not an advocate of druggin kids.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:30 AM

I mean, one of the things about media and technology is that we just roll the shit out and see what happens.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

I don't even like to formally diagnose kids before 10 or so.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ok how did we go from books to pre-school? i am so lost”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:30 AM

it's madness. MADNESS!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:30 AM

It is.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:31 AM

I just think a lot about tv and preschoolers because I HAVE a prescooler.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:31 AM

Yes -I wonder how difficult it is to account for all the possible influences on a child...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

Dear God, it'll drive you nuts.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

Don't think about it!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

Oh!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

Hey!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:32 AM

and constantly changing too, right?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:32 AM

So, I found out that I'm an agnostic this week!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Did god tell you that?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

whoa -but before we go there, I'd hate to lose this from Chris:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

Nice try, Rosner.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“The crux becomes manifest once one has to consider they are part of their child's problem.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:33 AM

Yeah, Chris, I labor under no delusions about that one.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Well, it's hard to know if you're being too hard or not too hard.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

However, I'm also not going to sit by and let him take in images of misogyny and sexualization at 2.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:34 AM

we humans are nothing if not imprecise...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“People are full of shit.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:34 AM

well, that's one way of putting it. confused is another.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

It's true. it's hard to know anything for certain.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:34 AM

You just feel it out.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I find myself telling my kids "just do this because people think it's supposed to be, but fuck them, you'll see the truth eventually."”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I feel like I am the messenger of some conspiracy.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:35 AM

do you say the "fuck them" part?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

I worry about him gettingolder, because I'm not in favor of LYING about history.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:35 AM

people are greedy and demanding in a culture of instant gratification

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:35 AM

And I don't give a shit of he learns the Pledge of Allegiance.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:36 AM

I mean, can imagine a kid being like, "Why would you even THINK about bringing me into this world?!?!?!"

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:36 AM

I try to get ahold of MYSELF and my actions, not my kid's so much.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

Instead of just reacting like other people expect me to in managing him, I ask myself first if what he's doing is actually a problem.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Swearing at video games is normal, kids.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Video games are a pox on mankind. Fun, but a pox.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

Rosner, i'm with you.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:37 AM

Well, I don't think it's all one-way

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:37 AM

As a SPED teacher, I think they just create feedback loops and addictions. i don't find them helpful.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

how about resilience? goal setting?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

strategy? eye-hand coordination?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:38 AM

couldn't those be positive attributes?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

Why don't we try real work activities?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:38 AM

You know, like cooking.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

I don't dig video games. they bore the ever-loving crap out of me.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

I think all of it in moderation is good

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

I just don't like to sit that much.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

Try Wii

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

I'd rather go outside, thanks. :)

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I can't handle the real world existentially.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

what, like any of us can?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“You've got no choice.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:39 AM

what's outside?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:39 AM

Well, I don't find "god" or whatever anywhere but outside.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

So I'd rather go out.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

TV makes my head hurt.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Oh please not religion!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:40 AM

so back to the "agnostic" thing - please tell!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“It was on thin ice talking about children!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

EXACTLY!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:40 AM

I don't like religion much, either.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

Geez, I sound like a kermudgeon.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

lol

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

Rosner, we should be friends.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:41 AM

We don't like anything that isn't esoteric.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I don't see god out there. I see people not seeing god all around them out there.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I'm with you, Rebecca. But for most, it's hard to find something to worship walking on asphalt to the nearest Starbucks.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:41 AM

so how do you define agnostic, and what made you decide that it describes you?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

Well, Wikipedia told me I was agnostic.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

I don't know why I never knew what that word meant.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

Is that your life coach?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

Hell yes!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:42 AM

Wiki and Youtube are the great equalizers!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

"i look at all these kids on tv and they are smart and intelligent and i look at mine and think what a disappointment" an engineer offshore

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:42 AM

lmao

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:43 AM

I'll be an expert in 5 minutes, no matter what you throw at me!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

well, it does seem like society is less about knowing stuff and more about knowing how to find stuff.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:43 AM

how do you make a bong out of a watermelon Rebecca?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

very carefully, @rick

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Kids need disciprine.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Even if the advice or reality is the same, they just are more resistant to accepting it from parents for some reason.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

There's a video for that.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:44 AM

But it's only legal in Co and WA.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:44 AM

It's like Parenting Weekly in here

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“RIGHT, Chris! That's what I'm saying! And you KNOW WE were all the same way!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Yep... I tell them all the time that the reason I know they re doing dumb shit is because I already did that dumb shit.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“If so, we're in trouble.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:45 AM

Well, Mano's going to get us all on the right track once and for all.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

except for the few of us who have no desire in popping out offsrpings

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:45 AM

If I'm going to read a parenting magazine, it better tell me how to make a bong from a watermelon...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

Don't read parenting magazines.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

They'll just try to get you to buy stuff.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Wisdom should always be followed by "duh!"”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:46 AM

duh!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

There's a homeschoolong counter-culture called Homeschooling with Netflix.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:46 AM

You'd do better with Netflix than parenting mags.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

I watch Breaking Bad on Netflix for parenting tips

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

when did Netflix become Sesame Street and are The Letter People there?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

I'm sure that's instructive.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

Well, he does it all for his family, after all...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Well, seriously...it's gone from not having enough teaching information to having to teach management of information.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“That dude was a teacher, Jordan. Duh!”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:47 AM

Exactly, Chris. This is the information age.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

And most of it is crap.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

You just have to sift through.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:48 AM

agreed

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

The thing is, troll culture is also crap.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:48 AM

back in the 90's you had to watch Politically Incorrect just to hear someone speak logically

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:48 AM

logic is over rated

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:48 AM

People can't wait to jump on you when you believe something or pass along something that isn't true, but how can you completely avoid it?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Bill Mahr is ok, but Real Time is less Shticky?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:49 AM

I mean, Politically Incorrect was on way before Daily Show and Colbert...

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:49 AM

it was pretty groundbreaking

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:49 AM

He's a little too righteously smarter than thou for my taste.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“A gauge for maturity to me has been going from hating Mahr to going "you know what, he's right about that."”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:50 AM

He IS smart, and funny, but comes off as a little inflexible and therefore dickish.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

he is pompous

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

yeah, but he's not wrong.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:50 AM

It's possible to be totally right and still wrong.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“No doubt, but he kinda has liscense to be.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:50 AM

lol Becca -good point

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“The good news, Rebecca, such as it is: you only have to worry about all this stuff while you're alive.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

I'm the same Chris

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

we can all agree to stop caring now it would be so much easier

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:51 AM

I'm not sure that would help, Rick.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I think we need a special law enforcement to squash stupid memes and idiotic new terminologise.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:51 AM

The collective "meh" is pretty strong already.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

Department of Homeland Pop Culture?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Oh come on, I'm not saying I've no concern for the welfare of these people, I'm saying that's stupid.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“lol Generation "Meh" awesome”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:52 AM

Well, if we want net neutrality, we have to take the Mileys with the Captain Picards.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“that's a t-shirt”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:52 AM

the "meh" generation is everyone

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

We don't need more regulation.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

However, we can acculturate the stupid out.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:53 AM

That's like the Billy Joel song We Didn't Start The Fire. The point was that every moment in history feels like the worst and that the end is imminent.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:53 AM

If we just reject bullshit collectively, it can't take root.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

I sometimes wonder if it is wise to expect a change in behavior from people, or wise to expect more of the same

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“To quote the great Sage, Elvis: You've got to follow that dream wherever that dream may lead . . .”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Jordan -- Just fuck expectations.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

Expectations - the tribe has spoken.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

for some reason I have The Gambler stuck in my head

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

"no when to foled em"

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:55 AM

Expectations are pretty much what determine our relative happiness. So maybe just dispense with them. Yeah.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“There's just too much to talk about with this and would go forever.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Or as the Marquis de Sade said: In a world of evil, you must learn how to be not good.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:56 AM

this is why I am strongly in favor of mental telepathy - it would really speed things along...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:56 AM

Didn't Adam Smith sort of say the same thing?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“What other kind of telepathy is there?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:56 AM

well, that's kind of pessimistic, isn't it?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:57 AM

The Marquis de Sade quote

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

It is. And it's sort of bullshit. I mean, capitalism thrives because we've taken it on as dogma.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

Which is what Adam Smith was saying.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I'm not sure I want to connect with someone else's very private thoughts.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:57 AM

I mean, talking about

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:58 AM

well, at least no one would feel misunderstood anymore...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:58 AM

And the Marquis de Sade can be just as wrong.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I didn't say that de Sade was Gandhi, did I?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:58 AM

If we all behave like assholes, then we're all just a bunch of assholes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:58 AM

isn't there an inherent endorsement every time you provide a quote?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I'm controling my mind right now, I think...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Fucking speech and reading is mind control.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

It's true!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:59 AM

Actually, Chris, I'm controlling it. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 2:59 AM

Your language controls the thoughts you can have!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“To be honest, I think there's some truth in that de Sade thought.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Nah, it's telepahtic but not mind control. It can be used thusly but it isn't inherently so.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:00 AM

There is, Rick.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:00 AM

it's hard to find a balance with that perspective, rosner, but I suppose that's the entire point

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:00 AM

But it comes down to what you want. Do you want to be not good just because everyone else is evil?

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:01 AM

or do you have to become "not good" to protect yourself?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:01 AM

Well, think about this:

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:01 AM

everyone in our cuture is acutely afraid of pedophilia.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:02 AM

well that seems pretty reasonable

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

Pedophilia is something that shouldn't exist - let's get that said.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

Now, the incidence of pedophilia is minute in terms of the whole population

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:02 AM

but we're all weird - we've shifted the ways that we act - because pedophiles exist.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:03 AM

(insert Catholic Church joke here)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

This has changes the ways that grown men feel they can interact with children.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

Not in the obvious and sick ways,

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

I just mean that it keeps many men from even being AROUND children

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

because they don't want to be seen as creepers.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:03 AM

And in that respect, the pedophiles have "won"

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

not that they were trying to win

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:04 AM

well, I think that's a reaction out of whack with reality

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

but we now act as if it's rampant, and it isn't.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

That's what I'm saying.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Pedophilia has been mentioned in writings over 4000 years ago.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:05 AM

Well - it is a topic that is so upsetting because we all know the vulnerability of childhood

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

That's true, Rick, and it's disgusting and intolerable.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:05 AM

so I think we can empathize very acutely how damaging the experience would be

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:05 AM

I'm just saying that the solution is not for regular grown men to avoid children like the plague - it's disproportionate and damaging in its own respect.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“Have any of you been contacting your representatives to put a stop to the fast track on the TPP? if so, how did it go?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:06 AM

That.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:06 AM

Now that's what I call a pivot!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:06 AM

The TPP removes any doubt as to whether Obama and Democrats are friends of the middle class and labor

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:07 AM

Indeed.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:07 AM

even the idea of a fast track feels like a banana republic to me

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“I just heard a fed appeals court reversed the FCC decision on Net Neutrality.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:07 AM

And, I haven't taken any action since I moved back in September. I've hit an apathetic low spot with politics again.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:07 AM

yeah man, it's all falling apart

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:07 AM

Whoa! Mano! Do you have a source!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“And speaking of disproportionate, I think the reaction to Miley Cyrus' performance is ridiculous.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:08 AM

Yes - Mano is correct

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

For real - WHO THE FUCK CARES???

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:08 AM

The appeals court ruled the FCC doesn't have the authority to protect net neutrality the way it was trying to

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/14/court-strikes-down-fccs-net-neutrality-rule/”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:08 AM

Thanks!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Well, it means that, for instance, if AT&T wants to start their own version of Tawkers, they could restrict access to this site.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:09 AM

exactly right

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:09 AM

or if they didn't like us discussing certain issues, they could literally block access to the site

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Why do they always try to do shit like that?”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:10 AM

All I could think of were expletives.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:10 AM

well, we've hit a fairly depressing stage right now, how we gonna turn those frowns upside down?

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:10 AM

we have each other!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:10 AM

Kitten pics?

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:10 AM

that's something!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Do you think the fact we evolve makes control impossible?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“I mean, over cosmic swaths of time.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:11 AM

that's optimistic!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“I keep trying to figure out when the final straw will break the camels back”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:11 AM

That's a nice thought.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:11 AM

not so optimisitc...

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:11 AM

but me too, Lisa!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:12 AM

and I worry - I just want there to be less suffering.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:12 AM

when we run out of fried chicken - there will be chaos

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:12 AM

I said LESS suffering

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:12 AM

I don't generally think anarchy is feasible with the population we have now, but sometimes it seems like a much better option than trying to reign in the government we have.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:13 AM

Yeah, but there's always some band of Viking-like marauders who screw anarchy up four everyone else!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:13 AM

for

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

Well, right.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:13 AM

But now, the Viking-like marauders are in charge.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:13 AM

We don't need another hero.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:13 AM

(anyone get that Mad Max joke in there?)

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:14 AM

Nice.\

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“so many people are afraid of losing what little they have, they haven't the strength to fight for anything”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“We can't stay in anarchy can we? Isn't it just a transition state?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:14 AM

it's true that the impact of fear on motivation is incredibly powerful

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:14 AM

Yeah.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“What's Tina Turner got to do...got to do with it? What's Tina Turner but a second hand ...uh”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“@Jordan - I got the Mad Max reference! That song is on my Starred list on Spotify haha”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:15 AM

Although, I hate to glorify anything Mel Gibson...

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:15 AM

He sure turned out to be an asshole, huh?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:16 AM

That was pre-crazy Mel.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“So ...communist anarchy? Or what's the thing called...”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:16 AM

We all go through phases.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Some of it is fear, some of it is complacency, a lot of it is that we really don't know what to do aside from outright violence.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“living in Seattle and watching all the football fans unite over something so meaningless, wonder why they can not unite over real issues?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:16 AM

That's such a GREAT question!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:16 AM

we don't need another racist

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Amen, Lisa.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:17 AM

Lisa, i think that's what we need. We need to come to some kind of general accord. FOr real. Instead, we just find ways to divide ourselves.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:17 AM

Maybe sports team fill a need for identity and association. We need to make activism more fun. Back in the 60s they had free love, after all...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:17 AM

I got a quote from Tim Minchin this week about how most of society's arguments are kept alive by a failure to appreciate nuance.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:18 AM

is it forthcoming?

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:18 AM

Oh!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Sneak in there to sleep, prolly.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“actually heard a homeless guy talking about how nice it will be when THEY build another stadium, only this time with a roof...not sure why that is important to him”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:18 AM

ha, no, that was it. There's more to it.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:19 AM

But i can't find where I jotted it down.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:19 AM

that's why I think all sports teams should be PUBLICLY owned, not privately owned.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Taxpayer money pay for it to be built.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“THEY don't build stadiums however, tax payers do”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:19 AM

So should jails.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:20 AM

boom!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:20 AM

LOVE it!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:20 AM

Maybe we should combine jails and professional sports, like The Longest Yard...

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Mostly getting rid of Justin Bieber.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“There are a shit-ton of things that could be done RIGHT NOW to improve life for everyone in this nation.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:21 AM

all right, my friends, my brain is getting a little sleepy

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:21 AM

Mine, too.

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Tax the Church; legalize marijuana, period; the Beiber thing...”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:21 AM

this was fun! Just like meeting out for a few drinks!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:21 AM

Oh, hey - speaking of the church

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Switch from seconals to black beauties, J - that'll fix it.”

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:22 AM

This new Pope is a happy thought to end things on! I'm not into religion,

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:22 AM

Francis is the Mancis!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:22 AM

but I am into guys who say that women should feel comfortable breastfeeding in the Sistine Chapel.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:22 AM

speaking of uneducated right wingers:

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“I was hoping to educate him but, maybe just a pillow over the head would be best and then I can use the empty skull as a planter!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:23 AM

all right - thank Becca!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:23 AM

thanks forum!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:23 AM

Thanks Jordan - and everyone!

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:23 AM

was a great hang!

Rebecca Westbrook Toker · 3:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Thanks J&R”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lisa Felice

“Nah, my room mate, my kid is actually becoming a anarchist...mommy is sooo proud”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mano Dogs

“Thanks all! BYE TAWKERS!!!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Chris Pearson

“Thanks for the fun! See ya soon!”

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Tawkers AdminJan 6, 2014, 6:16 PM

Welcome to the comment section of the Tawk, where audience members can share their thoughts about the main conversation happening on the left. Don't by shy! Entering questions and comments is the only way to get the attention of the two Hosts on stage!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:04 AM★ Spotlighted

this could be interesting :-)

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Kant said out of chaos comes order. Here, I hope we stick to chaos - order is boring.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:05 AM

could and should....

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:05 AM

and me!! *waves hand*

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

Or weak kneed

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

hey Rebecca!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:06 AM

or bow kneed

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:07 AM

i've been trying to getting some letting to go a certain way around a heart shape...and i cant do it! its buggin the hell outta me lol

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:07 AM

you?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:08 AM

oh no...

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:08 AM

Not bored. My mind is awash with a million brilliant ideas, all writhing and flagellating and licking each other.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:08 AM

never heard of that show

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:09 AM

"to infinity and beyond!"

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:10 AM

yup i have to agree with rebecca

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

as george carlin said "the planet is fine,the people are f**ked!"

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

As long as the pig was kosher killed . . .

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:12 AM

was it crunchy bacon?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:12 AM

Oh, Rick said "I live for boRing."

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Did you all dig Woody Allen's line about death and Francois Truffaut?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

this is just a phrase we all going thru. like we are here to learn stuff

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:13 AM

MANO!!!! *pounce huggles*

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:13 AM

Hi Rick!

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:13 AM★ Spotlighted

:D Hi Lucy, Tawkers!

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:13 AM

Hey Mano

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:13 AM★ Spotlighted

You read Rolling Stone?

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:14 AM★ Spotlighted

Although Truffaut is dead his films will live on after him. Unfortunately, it doesn't do Francois any good.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:15 AM★ Spotlighted

wish my mother felt that pain,rebecca

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:15 AM

I don't believe there is, Rick.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:16 AM

TY Jordan, I have been busy playing DJ to a bunch of your dumbass kids. And your kids are a bunch of dumbasses. You really should stop banging them out.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:16 AM

btw JB,can you send me a large photo of you? wanna mess it up..i mean,do something nice with it. i've done everyone else

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:16 AM

i love how i can skip right over a topic...lol

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:17 AM★ Spotlighted

i saw the word "asshole" and instantly thought "politician"... is there a connection?

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:17 AM

Lines i wish I wrote: Is this the face that launched a thousand ships, and burnt the topless towers of Illium?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:18 AM★ Spotlighted

I was like that with my first gf. And I think that one guy from It's Always Sunny in Philly put on "sympahty fat" when his wife got pregnant.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:19 AM

sympathy fat? lol yeah right....

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:19 AM

That season is terrible. I wish he'd put on sympathy funny for the audience.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:19 AM★ Spotlighted

FUCKING GROSS!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:19 AM

i'm sorry for laughing cant help it

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:20 AM

Jesus Christ, you women just exude all kinds of stuff all the time. I should probably wash everything I own.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:20 AM

You've never seen Sunny? Oh man...

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:20 AM

@Mano - what,like you men dont? mmmm

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Funniest thing on TV.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:20 AM

What do we "exude?"

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:21 AM

JB,i have never watched it either dont plan to

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

That was my favorite episode for the longest time!!!!

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:21 AM

Sweet Dee. Indeed, she is.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:21 AM

It's politically incorrect as shit and brutally funny.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Oh Big Bang Theory?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:22 AM

most tv is shit

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:22 AM★ Spotlighted

I thought it was great when people actually read those things with paper and ink - you know, books. Extra points if they were written before the year of your birth.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Yeah Arrested Development is OKAY but the last season that was on Netflix is LOL funny.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:23 AM

YES! Big Bang Theory is AWFUL.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:23 AM★ Spotlighted

I did not like Orange is the New Black. I do not like that we are so comfortable with prison as entertainment.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:23 AM

again a show i have not seen

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Too much popular entertainment "normalizing" prison life and experiences.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:25 AM★ Spotlighted

T.hat killed the conversation, Jordan. How sad

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:25 AM★ Spotlighted

I still read but not like I used to. It's like playing Dungeons & Dragons: I have too much IRL shit on my mind to focus.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM★ Spotlighted

Well I need no research to know that; it's obvious. You are receiving information visually, not processing it internally. :)

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM

That's different.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM★ Spotlighted

It's interesting to read that things actually existed before cell phones and reality tv.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM★ Spotlighted

i like books

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM

*is listening to music*...:-)

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:26 AM★ Spotlighted

No, those are two different things there, Rebecca. I understand what you're saying but those are two different things.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:27 AM

It actually negates the desire to act on such things.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:27 AM

Where pornography is available, there is less rape; where violent movies are shown, there is less violent crime.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:28 AM

No, for shit like drawing guns in school.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

Better read fast, before some religious zealots decide that knowledge if harmful.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:28 AM

Americans are idiots and they have really dumbass kids. That's the cause.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:28 AM★ Spotlighted

Again, untrue! They're being expelled for hugging one another, wearing the wrong T-shirts, using the word "gay," etc.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:29 AM

Aw, it's all PC bullshit run amok. No need to overanalyze.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:29 AM

I'm suggesting no such thing; I am stating it outright. :D

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:30 AM

Sure it is. You'd all rather drug them and blame anything other than let them be ids.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:30 AM★ Spotlighted

ok how did we go from books to pre-school? i am so lost

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:30 AM

Because they're kids. Problem solved. I'll be needing that grant money.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:30 AM

and i'm not paying attention

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:30 AM

We're just bullshittin'. :D

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:31 AM

ooo some Keane....yay!....

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:31 AM

Is your preschooler "gifted?"

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:31 AM

Don't answer that. :D

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:32 AM★ Spotlighted

The crux becomes manifest once one has to consider they are part of their child's problem.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:32 AM★ Spotlighted

Did god tell you that?

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:33 AM

here ya go,my answer to the topic of kids - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pe9zw9iQK8

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:33 AM★ Spotlighted

Well, it's hard to know if you're being too hard or not too hard.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:34 AM

Here's the REAL problem, with this country, with this world, and with your kids:

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:34 AM★ Spotlighted

People are full of shit.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:34 AM

Hey, I'm not pitchin a deity. For me, anything is good for a joke. Well, almost.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:34 AM★ Spotlighted

I find myself telling my kids "just do this because people think it's supposed to be, but fuck them, you'll see the truth eventually."

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:35 AM★ Spotlighted

I feel like I am the messenger of some conspiracy.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:35 AM

You aren't that important, your kid is not a genius, your religious/political/ideological preferences do not have to be respected by everyone - you aren't OWED anything.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:35 AM

lol

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:35 AM

Paraphrasing.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:36 AM

(My kids have sworn due to my potty mouth I'm sure. My daughter would start when playing Pokemon. Uh oh...)

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:36 AM★ Spotlighted

Swearing at video games is normal, kids.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:37 AM

Favorite Led Zeppelin song.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:37 AM★ Spotlighted

Video games are a pox on mankind. Fun, but a pox.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:37 AM

whats ya fav book? mine has to the lord of the rings trilogy. not sure why. yours?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:37 AM

I'd belt my kid right in the kisser.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:38 AM

or any of the many MANY Starwars novels....

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:38 AM

The Snow Leopard, by Peter Mathiessin .

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:38 AM

Rebecca -- I hear ya. I've begun to second guess things I've said or done. I hate with holding the truth, since I know they will just rain angst finding out later. Some people accuse me of too much honesty. I'm probably too honest for their good.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:38 AM

The Shining was my fave growing up. I don't think I really have one anymore.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

Good point, that. Still, as a regular WoWer, they at least teach strategy and cooperation.

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

i've not read the book to the shining,is it better or worse than the film?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM★ Spotlighted

I can't handle the real world existentially.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM★ Spotlighted

You've got no choice.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

Jordan -- XD lol

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

I got into an argument with your kids as to whether or not Led Zeppeling was "Heavy Metal." GodDAMN your kids are stupid!

Lucy DyerJan 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

and on that note.....

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:40 AM

WAY better than the film. The film is a travesty next to the book.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:40 AM★ Spotlighted

Oh please not religion!

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:40 AM★ Spotlighted

It was on thin ice talking about children!

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:40 AM

In fact, after Kubrick's The Shining, King had his contract changed to make sure that never happened again.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't see god out there. I see people not seeing god all around them out there.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:41 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm with you, Rebecca. But for most, it's hard to find something to worship walking on asphalt to the nearest Starbucks.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:41 AM

You guys should really relax about your kids more. We know they're all geniuses and no one better tell you how to raise them and so on and that's done a world of good.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:41 AM

Mano, I totally agree.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:41 AM

I hate feeling bad because I'm being open with my kids in public.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

They're dumbass kids, just like we were. Kids are dumb as shit.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

Who the fuck are they spectating?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

You should hit them more and more often, BTW.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

lol

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

Yeah well, silly me we've trained in martial arts.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

It's called sparring now.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:42 AM

Ha! That's actually cool. MA teaches disciprine.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Kids need disciprine.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:43 AM

Discipline they think they are getting on their own terms, not having to have their parents dictate to them.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:43 AM

And belt lashings.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:43 AM★ Spotlighted

Even if the advice or reality is the same, they just are more resistant to accepting it from parents for some reason.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

RIGHT, Chris! That's what I'm saying! And you KNOW WE were all the same way!

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:44 AM

It's natural.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:44 AM★ Spotlighted

Yep... I tell them all the time that the reason I know they re doing dumb shit is because I already did that dumb shit.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:45 AM★ Spotlighted

If so, we're in trouble.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:45 AM★ Spotlighted

Wisdom should always be followed by "duh!"

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:45 AM

Well, everyone's so Goddamn uptight about their kids and their religious preferences and their cultural bullshit and so forth these days. Their flaming little shit.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:46 AM

Nah, y'all are a lost cause for which I've no hope. I WILL beat your kids, though.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:46 AM

Parenting mags tell you how to make melonbongs?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:46 AM

Jordan :D

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:47 AM★ Spotlighted

That dude was a teacher, Jordan. Duh!

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:47 AM★ Spotlighted

Well, seriously...it's gone from not having enough teaching information to having to teach management of information.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:48 AM

Well...debatable...

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:48 AM★ Spotlighted

Bill Mahr is ok, but Real Time is less Shticky?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:49 AM

Rebecca, sorry to be critical, but your speech suggests to me that you give a lot of this stuff FAR too much weight.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:49 AM

Oh that I understand but "troll CULTURE," "Homeschooling COUNTER-CULTURE," etc.?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:49 AM★ Spotlighted

A gauge for maturity to me has been going from hating Mahr to going "you know what, he's right about that."

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM

haha

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM★ Spotlighted

No doubt, but he kinda has liscense to be.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM

You know what I call "Bronies?" Stupid. Just dumb as fuck.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM★ Spotlighted

The good news, Rebecca, such as it is: you only have to worry about all this stuff while you're alive.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:50 AM

It isn't a sub-culture or counter-culture or anything; it's stupid. It's grown men watching a Goddamn children's cartoon targeted at girls.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

I think we need a special law enforcement to squash stupid memes and idiotic new terminologise.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

Oh come on, I'm not saying I've no concern for the welfare of these people, I'm saying that's stupid.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:52 AM★ Spotlighted

lol Generation "Meh" awesome

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:52 AM

Why can't we just say things like that anymore without cvoming under fire?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:52 AM★ Spotlighted

that's a t-shirt

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:52 AM

idea

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:52 AM

Since when did watching a girls' cartoon show become a "CULTURE" instead of just fucking dumb?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:53 AM

We need regulation regulation!

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:53 AM

No that's a HUGE problem.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:53 AM

Department of Redundancy Department

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:54 AM

You people shouldn't be deciding what is and is not acceptable.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:54 AM

You're far too self-righteous and self-important and you take your "social responsibility" like it's a license to kill.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

To quote the great Sage, Elvis: You've got to follow that dream wherever that dream may lead . . .

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

Jordan -- Just fuck expectations.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:55 AM★ Spotlighted

There's just too much to talk about with this and would go forever.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Or as the Marquis de Sade said: In a world of evil, you must learn how to be not good.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:55 AM

Look, Bronies are dumb - it isn't a CULTURE nor anything like that; it's grown men watching a TV show for pre-teens. They're emotionally stunted and probably mentally retarded.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:56 AM★ Spotlighted

What other kind of telepathy is there?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:56 AM

But I'm certainly not going to round-up a posse and stop or shame them into stopping such silly behavior anymore than they should do the same to me for calling them stupid instead of recognizing them as a valid sib-culture and respecting their broney

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:57 AM

Have you seen the new series on TV called "Intelligence."

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:57 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm not sure I want to connect with someone else's very private thoughts.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:57 AM

It sure would; most ppl are vicious and should be put down. But not the ones you all would put-down.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

Well, if thought were to maintain only transmissive qualities, it means you can tune out broadcasts you didn't wanna send or accept.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM★ Spotlighted

I didn't say that de Sade was Gandhi, did I?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

That's thought control, Chris. Plain and simple.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

I just don't wanna get hacked.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

Damn rights it is.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

But he did have some fun, from what I've read . . .

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM

You really are, Rebecca. It's depressing as shit.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:58 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm controling my mind right now, I think...

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Fucking speech and reading is mind control.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 2:59 AM★ Spotlighted

To be honest, I think there's some truth in that de Sade thought.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 2:59 AM★ Spotlighted

Nah, it's telepahtic but not mind control. It can be used thusly but it isn't inherently so.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 2:59 AM

lol

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:00 AM

No it doesn't. Unless you are stupid.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:00 AM

If I say, "I could just KILL that person!" I don't start formulating a plan or even imagining a scenario. It's a phrase, a saying.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:01 AM

That wouldn't be "not good;" that wouold be self-preservation.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:01 AM

When it serves

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:01 AM

Fear of commitment?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:01 AM

You manipulate language and also information, Rebecca. That's unfair and disingenuous.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:01 AM

Howdy ya'll, thanks for the invite, have ya'll fixed the world and there is nothing left for me to do?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:02 AM

Not me; I'm grown.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:02 AM

Nah we saved Texas for you.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:02 AM

I can no longer be pedophiled so I'm okay.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:02 AM

Yeah, TX is still FUCKED-UP.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

As is rape, terrorism, the flesh-eating bacteria, et. al.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

True measure of evil is the fact any of it can be thought.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

I am living in Seattle now, have participated in a few Be the Media events out here

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

"Insert."

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

Mankind has all the evil he could ever want.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

I don't think I could disagree more, Chris.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:03 AM

Oh yeah? Who ever does or thinks of evil?

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:04 AM★ Spotlighted

Pedophilia has been mentioned in writings over 4000 years ago.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:04 AM

Who recognizes it as evil?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:04 AM

I have "Evil" thoughts all of the time but I know better than to act on them.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:04 AM

Not saying that evil is only action.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:04 AM

It can be thought, takes one dumbass to try.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM

Not a single concept of evil and the worst kind WASNT a human invention. It all has been. Know what I mean?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM

Well, if you sit around and ruminate on Evil thoughts I suppose you have a point, but most people don't do that. We all have Evil, self-serving, violent, whatever thoughts from time to time.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM

WHo fucking cares about worm evil

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM

or flower evil

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM★ Spotlighted

Have any of you been contacting your representatives to put a stop to the fast track on the TPP? if so, how did it go?

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:05 AM

To be human is to be weak. To be weak is to be Sophocles. Therefore, all men are Sophocles.Or all men are human, or something.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:06 AM

Woah, lost track of the convo to my left...

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:07 AM★ Spotlighted

I just heard a fed appeals court reversed the FCC decision on Net Neutrality.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:07 AM

Saw that too.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:07 AM★ Spotlighted

And speaking of disproportionate, I think the reaction to Miley Cyrus' performance is ridiculous.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:08 AM

I also saw a story that someone got shot for texting in a theatre.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:08 AM

what does that mean Mano?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:08 AM★ Spotlighted

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/14/court-strikes-down-fccs-net-neutrality-rule/

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Well, it means that, for instance, if AT&T wants to start their own version of Tawkers, they could restrict access to this site.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Why do they always try to do shit like that?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:09 AM

Why must they keep trying?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:09 AM

I think Miley's a cutie. And I'd much rather see her ass than Marilyn Manson's.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:10 AM

Everything we've been talking about, Chris: Thought control, "for the Greater Good," capitalism - all of it.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:10 AM

Thanks for the info Mano

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:10 AM

But, mostly, capitalism.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:10 AM

np. I hate a lot so I always have to find new stuff to hate.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Do you think the fact we evolve makes control impossible?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:11 AM★ Spotlighted

I mean, over cosmic swaths of time.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:11 AM

I'm not so certain we evolve.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:11 AM★ Spotlighted

I keep trying to figure out when the final straw will break the camels back

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:11 AM

Well, gotta stretch the concept. Not biologically, but technologically... Not even sociologically because that's stunted growth using ancient political systems

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:12 AM

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:12 AM

haha Rick

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:12 AM

I honestly think a lot of people deserve to suffer, it just doesn't seem to happen t the right ones.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM

Well, anarchy is a good innoculation to hopefully finding a cure for politics.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM

According to Ram Dass, suffering is grace. :D

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM

Well anarchy is untenable for many reasons; there will always be need for diplomatic systems.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

We can't stay in anarchy can we? Isn't it just a transition state?

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM★ Spotlighted

so many people are afraid of losing what little they have, they haven't the strength to fight for anything

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:13 AM

I'm not sure I'd trust a man named "Ram" telling me about suffering...

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:14 AM

haha

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:14 AM

Tina Turner dead yet?

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:14 AM★ Spotlighted

What's Tina Turner got to do...got to do with it? What's Tina Turner but a second hand ...uh

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:14 AM

The main problem with anarchy is the control of natural resources and the whole better-armed thing.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:14 AM

God dammit, Chris. :D

Blake IanJan 15, 2014, 3:15 AM★ Spotlighted

@Jordan - I got the Mad Max reference! That song is on my Starred list on Spotify haha

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Some of it is fear, some of it is complacency, a lot of it is that we really don't know what to do aside from outright violence.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:15 AM★ Spotlighted

So ...communist anarchy? Or what's the thing called...

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:16 AM

A real prick.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:16 AM★ Spotlighted

living in Seattle and watching all the football fans unite over something so meaningless, wonder why they can not unite over real issues?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:16 AM

Meh. I have a pretty good feeling a lot of that was manufactured by that shrew wife of his and her lawyer.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:16 AM★ Spotlighted

Amen, Lisa.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:16 AM

Because something like that has no repercussions, Lisa; it's just a good time.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:17 AM

lol Rick

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:17 AM

Racism is the new Pedophilia.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:17 AM

And acid. GodDAMN I love acid. I miss acid.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:17 AM

And acid in the orange juice.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:18 AM★ Spotlighted

actually heard a homeless guy talking about how nice it will be when THEY build another stadium, only this time with a roof...not sure why that is important to him

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Sneak in there to sleep, prolly.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:18 AM★ Spotlighted

THEY don't build stadiums however, tax payers do

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Taxpayer money pay for it to be built.

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:19 AM

"What we paid allt his money AND they wanna make us MAKE it!?"

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:20 AM★ Spotlighted

There are a shit-ton of things that could be done RIGHT NOW to improve life for everyone in this nation.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:20 AM

My room mate was raised in poverty and he lives from hand to mouth, he explained to me that the Koch Brothers are just living the American Dream and that some day he will too...the disconnect is amazing to me

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Mostly getting rid of Justin Bieber.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Tax the Church; legalize marijuana, period; the Beiber thing...

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:21 AM

I know a guy like that, Lisa. I had to cut him out of my life. Incredibly fucking stupid.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:21 AM★ Spotlighted

Switch from seconals to black beauties, J - that'll fix it.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:21 AM

PLEASE, PEOPLE, beat your children.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM

If not for their sake, for OURS.

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM★ Spotlighted

I was hoping to educate him but, maybe just a pillow over the head would be best and then I can use the empty skull as a planter!

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM

Skull Chia pet.

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM

Who, Lisa? Your kid?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM

Yeah just give-up and euthanize him.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:22 AM

Breast feeding the priests?

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:23 AM

The problem is not a lack of education; it's a lack of intelligence and the pervasive thought that they are the same.

Rick RosnerJan 15, 2014, 3:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks J&R

Lisa FeliceJan 15, 2014, 3:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Nah, my room mate, my kid is actually becoming a anarchist...mommy is sooo proud

Mano DogsJan 15, 2014, 3:23 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks all! BYE TAWKERS!!!

Chris PearsonJan 15, 2014, 3:24 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks for the fun! See ya soon!