Blake Ian

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Turning The Ship Around!

Aug 2, 2014·31 visitors

Kenna James

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Aug 2, 2014

How do you change direction when momentum is carrying you in a direction that you don't want to be traveling in??

Blake Ian · 1:22 AM

so I had this idea for a Tawk for us

Blake Ian · 1:22 AM

It's about something you once said to me in a poker game

Kenna James · 1:22 AM

Oh yea? What's that?

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

Or rather when you made me stand up from a poker game and took me to the other end of the room hahah

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

You said "you gotta turn the ship around"

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

That point has stuck with me and come in handy off the poker table quite a bit

Blake Ian · 1:24 AM

when momentum is carrying you the wrong way

Blake Ian · 1:24 AM

And the bigger the ship the harder to turn it around!

Kenna James · 1:29 AM

But you said something there that is key, you used the word "wrong"

Kenna James · 1:29 AM

Yes, I remember

Kenna James · 1:30 AM

Remember though, it's easier to turn a ship that's moving then one that is anchored!

Blake Ian · 1:38 AM

Hahah

Kenna James · 1:40 AM

So the Tawk being about ships? Or how to turn them around?

Blake Ian · 1:42 AM

Changing your direction when momentum is carrying you in the undesired direction

Blake Ian · 1:42 AM

that's what the Tawks about

Blake Ian · 1:42 AM

turning the ship around

Kenna James · 1:42 AM

Ah gotcha

Kenna James · 1:43 AM

Did u have the time & inclination to tawk now?

Blake Ian · 1:43 AM

We are Tawking

Kenna James · 1:43 AM

Lol true!

Kenna James · 1:51 AM

Nice to see Tawkers growth continuing w these updates.

Kenna James · 1:58 AM

I guess we should define The Ship - is it ourself, our job or career, or something else?

Blake Ian · 2:05 AM

Thanks! Nice new round bubbles eh?

Blake Ian · 2:05 AM

so I think the ship can be many things at any given time

Blake Ian · 2:05 AM

When you gave me the advise originally it was about my play in a cash game

Blake Ian · 2:05 AM

But the quote recently occurred to me in business

Blake Ian · 2:06 AM

I think it can be a relationship, our habits... Anything really

Blake Ian · 2:06 AM

Everything is constantly changing right? So I think it's about having as much influence as you can on which direction they change

Kenna James · 2:07 AM

Yes

Kenna James · 2:07 AM

You have as much power as you have influence over something

Kenna James · 2:08 AM

No influence = no power

Kenna James · 2:09 AM

I think our ability to adapt to the changes that are occurring are key to growth

Kenna James · 2:09 AM

How bout you?

Blake Ian · 2:12 AM

Well I think there is a balance like anything

Blake Ian · 2:13 AM

I JUST had this convo at lunch yesterday actually

Blake Ian · 2:13 AM

About adapting

Blake Ian · 2:13 AM

Adapting good, too much adapting or adapting to an unhealthy situation not so good

Blake Ian · 2:14 AM

I used to attend a weekly meditation class and something that the teacher said stuck with me. "Forgiveness is not condoning"

Blake Ian · 2:14 AM

So forgive the ones that hurt you, but do not condone it to continue

Kenna James · 2:15 AM

What makes something "unhealthy" ?

Blake Ian · 2:16 AM

when it deteriorates your health instead of improving it

Blake Ian · 2:17 AM

meditation is a healthy form of relaxation, smoking is not (for all intents and purposes)

Kenna James · 2:17 AM

I think resistance is the culprit of deterioration

Blake Ian · 2:17 AM

well you would know!

Blake Ian · 2:17 AM

😀

Kenna James · 2:17 AM

Your lungs resist the smoke naturally

Blake Ian · 2:18 AM

well there's more to it than that

Blake Ian · 2:18 AM

The smoke is filled with free roaming radicals

Blake Ian · 2:19 AM

your body resists it because it's intelligent

Blake Ian · 2:19 AM

BUT my point exactly

Blake Ian · 2:19 AM

Eventually the cilia (tiny hairs) on your lungs give up

Blake Ian · 2:19 AM

They adapt

Kenna James · 2:19 AM

Sunset over the mighty Pacific for you my friend

Blake Ian · 2:19 AM

And stop resisting

Blake Ian · 2:20 AM

Thats unhealthy adaptation

Blake Ian · 2:20 AM

That's your lungs saying well this guy isn't gonna stop smoking so F@ck it lets give up

Blake Ian · 2:21 AM

Was that a strange comment or are you going to upload a pic of the sunset?

Kenna James · 2:21 AM

They don't give up, they deteriorate at a faster rate (tend to) then non smokers

Blake Ian · 2:22 AM

Well I was being free with my words, yes they don't make a conscious decision to give up

Blake Ian · 2:22 AM

but they deteriorate exactly

Kenna James · 2:22 AM

I did. Did it come thru? The pic?

Blake Ian · 2:23 AM

They give in to the stronger forces of the brain and free will which decide to keep smoking and ignore signals from the body

Blake Ian · 2:23 AM

I do not see the pic sir

Blake Ian · 2:24 AM

http://cdn.tawkers.com/tawk-comment-image-8a269202-47856cab-0147-94882305-369d.jpgimage

Kenna James · 2:24 AM

In my experience in handling people, most do not see what they are resisting.

Blake Ian · 2:24 AM

But there is one for you... Bodhi has decided this is his cup now

Blake Ian · 2:24 AM

And I give up

Blake Ian · 2:24 AM

☺️

Kenna James · 2:26 AM

Okay

Kenna James · 2:26 AM

http://cdn.tawkers.com/tawk-comment-image-8a269202-47856cab-0147-9489cb5a-0054.jpgimage

Kenna James · 2:26 AM

Pics are not happening for now. I see it on my end, but obviously you have a limited perspective

Blake Ian · 2:26 AM

Do you see the pic I just sent of Bodhi chewing on a cup?

Kenna James · 2:27 AM

And interesting thought came to me today. I would like to share it with you.

Kenna James · 2:27 AM

Blake Ian · 2:27 AM

Bummer, what was the thought

Kenna James · 2:28 AM

We are not meant to see everything. Even with my power for binoculars. Out across the horizon of the Pacific, with no obstruction, there is only for so far one can see.

Kenna James · 2:29 AM

The curvature of the earth prevents us from peering too far ahead

Blake Ian · 2:30 AM

Very true

Kenna James · 2:31 AM

What sots on the horizon is sufficient enough perspective to take in

Blake Ian · 2:31 AM

What my drivers ed teacher called Limited Sight Distance

Blake Ian · 2:31 AM

And we chuckled because it was LSD

Blake Ian · 2:32 AM

OR maybe it's not sufficient

Blake Ian · 2:32 AM

Maybe the point is that it drives us to move forward

Blake Ian · 2:32 AM

Walk towards the horizon to see more

Blake Ian · 2:33 AM

If we saw it all from where we were standing ... We wouldn't go anywhere

Blake Ian · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from stephanie mark

“It seems that is what the physical world is about - not seeing the whole picture”

Blake Ian · 2:34 AM

Right! Because it keeps us curious

Blake Ian · 2:35 AM

Also it makes us need one another, we all see a piece and we have to collaborate to get the whole picture

Kenna James · 2:38 AM

I disagree

Blake Ian · 2:38 AM

Shocking

Blake Ian · 2:38 AM

😐

Kenna James · 2:38 AM

Yea, got booted for trying to send the horizon (sunset) again

Blake Ian · 2:39 AM

Ha... I see the pic now by the way

Blake Ian · 2:39 AM

Beautiful

Kenna James · 2:40 AM

It's cool ur on the Atlantic & Im on the Pacific. Our POV are vastly different?

Blake Ian · 2:41 AM

if only we had unlimited sight distance

Blake Ian · 2:41 AM

We could wave

Kenna James · 2:41 AM

Which btw- is what makes a ship, especially a large one, so hard to turn around

Kenna James · 2:42 AM

People get anchored in their POV

Kenna James · 2:42 AM

So to speak

Blake Ian · 2:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from stephanie mark

“That is a great point I always think about it in terms of using your perceptions and inner compass to find your specific truth without it be handed to. You- as in faith but I like where you took that..”

Kenna James · 2:44 AM

Ty Steph

Blake Ian · 2:44 AM

well here is a question for ya

Blake Ian · 2:44 AM

What is harder to overcome ...

Blake Ian · 2:44 AM

Being anchored or being in motion but carried by momentum in the opposite direction

Blake Ian · 2:45 AM

because you can USE momentum to turn right?

Blake Ian · 2:45 AM

as opposed to not being in motion at all

Kenna James · 2:48 AM

Hmmm...considering ur compound question

Blake Ian · 2:48 AM

well I guess I threw in my own thoughts on the question after asking it

Blake Ian · 2:48 AM

I like to tawk!

Kenna James · 2:49 AM

That's the purpose of this forum isn't it?

Blake Ian · 2:49 AM

it's actually a bad habit though, to give any opinion when asking a question.

Kenna James · 2:49 AM

You created it for that purpose

Blake Ian · 2:50 AM

The less you speak your own thoughts when asking a question the more of an honest answer you get from the other person

Blake Ian · 2:50 AM

But I know you wouldn't hold it against me...

Blake Ian · 2:51 AM

So Mr James... Anchored or going the other way! Which takes more effort to overcome

Kenna James · 2:51 AM

I don't know about all that, but I would agree that you want to get the other persons thoughts to the surface rather than your own when asking a question

Blake Ian · 2:52 AM

Right. You end up influencing the persona answer

Blake Ian · 2:52 AM

Whether it be because they want to agree or they are inclined to disagree (more likely in your case)

Blake Ian · 2:52 AM

😉

Kenna James · 2:53 AM

Its a tough one Blake. I suppose it depends on how hellbent the person is in traveling in one direction, compared to the entrenchment of the anchor of the other one.

Blake Ian · 2:53 AM

Let's put them at equal if we can

Blake Ian · 2:53 AM

For the sake of the question

Blake Ian · 2:53 AM

Let's remove those variables

Blake Ian · 2:54 AM

The strength of the anchor is "equal" to the speed being traveled in the other direction

Blake Ian · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from stephanie mark

“I would think It has to be that being in motion allows for change, because the fluidity and flexibility but then again sometimes hitting a wall in life is the best for a needed turn around”

Kenna James · 2:54 AM

Well, remember that the person who is traveling and has momentum has the distance to make up coming back the other way.... Or should I say, perceived way

Kenna James · 2:55 AM

Good point Steph

Blake Ian · 2:55 AM

man you are an expert at bringing up everything else besides the question at hand

Blake Ian · 2:55 AM

I bet there is a scientific answer to this right? Like someone who studied physics would prob laugh and say of course it's A or B

Kenna James · 2:55 AM

Well, your questions are general, so I give you a general answer

Blake Ian · 2:55 AM

remove all other variables

Kenna James · 2:56 AM

I thought we were talking in psychological terms

Blake Ian · 2:56 AM

What is harder changing direction while moving, or starting from being stopped

Blake Ian · 2:56 AM

well I'm a believer in universal truths

Blake Ian · 2:56 AM

If a physicist old me one of those is definitely harder

Blake Ian · 2:57 AM

I would tend to think it would translate to psychological

Kenna James · 2:57 AM

Well put that way, I will go with A changing direction while moving

Blake Ian · 2:57 AM

is harder or easier?

Kenna James · 2:57 AM

Is easier

Blake Ian · 2:57 AM

I agree

Blake Ian · 2:57 AM

And so does Steph it seems

Blake Ian · 2:57 AM

We have a consensus!

Kenna James · 2:58 AM

Now to point #2

Blake Ian · 2:58 AM

so never stop being in motion

Kenna James · 2:58 AM

What makes one direction "right" over another?

Blake Ian · 2:59 AM

my dad always says "in good times take one step forward and in difficult times... Take one step forward"

Kenna James · 2:59 AM

Well, I didn't say that, no

Blake Ian · 2:59 AM

Well I actually stopped using the word right or wrong because I know you well enough to know you wouldn't like those terms

Blake Ian · 2:59 AM

desired direction

Kenna James · 2:59 AM

There's times not to be in motion

Blake Ian · 3:00 AM

Not for Sharks!

Blake Ian · 3:00 AM

Haha

Kenna James · 3:01 AM

Spiritual masters tend to be very still

Blake Ian · 3:01 AM

I'm not actually sure that's true or if it's a misconception, but isn't it said that a shark will die if it stops swimming?

Kenna James · 3:01 AM

Lol that's the fear of many human beings

Blake Ian · 3:02 AM

Hmm good point about stillness, but I don't know...

Blake Ian · 3:02 AM

I think that "stillness" you are referring to is more of being in motion with everything

Blake Ian · 3:02 AM

Without resisting

Kenna James · 3:02 AM

I must take pause now and have dinner, can we pick this up in a little while?

Blake Ian · 3:03 AM

sure... I may pass out but leave your thoughts here and let's keep this one going over the next few days

Blake Ian · 3:03 AM

Enjoy dinner, enjoy the Malibu sunset

Kenna James · 3:03 AM

Peace

Blake Ian · 3:03 AM

And consider this... Can the earth ever stop being in motion? But it appears still

Blake Ian · 3:04 AM

Peace

Kenna James · 5:07 PM

Considered

Blake Ian · 5:14 PM

Thank you for your consideration

Kenna James · 9:28 PM

Everything is in motion. "Stillness" is a relative term based on its relationship to surrounding motion. The grass appears still as you walk through it. Yet it is growing (moving) constantly.

Kenna James · 9:35 PM

To turn a business or very large ship around, I would imagine takes major interest, cooperation and agreement amongst its passengers.

Kenna James · 10:09 PM

So....back to our original trawling point. To turn the ship around, we must meet its passengers at their level of interest and start there. Discover what they WILL contribute to, acknowledge and validate their cooperation when they take steps in the

Kenna James · 10:13 PM

Direction you are steering them and of course they must agree to who is steering the ship!

Kenna James · 11:51 PM

Maybe we should retitle our tawk to "Whose steering the Ship?"

Blake Ian · 11:53 PM

We can't retitle every time you decide change the subject

Blake Ian · 11:53 PM

We'd spend our whole week on titles

Kenna James · 11:55 PM

Rofl!! What's a week? Many people in England spend a lifetime on them.

Blake Ian · 11:55 PM

of course there are limitless variables like do the passengers agree, and then further discussions about what kind of say a passenger really has, they put their faith in the captain since they likely don't have the experience to make those decisions

Blake Ian · 11:56 PM

is a ship a democracy?

Kenna James · 11:56 PM

Blake Ian · 11:57 PM

cant we ever stick to the topic? Youre like a living breathing version of the movie inception.

Kenna James · 11:57 PM

A ship divided can not sail they say

Blake Ian · 11:57 PM

No wonder you loved that movie so much :)

Blake Ian · 11:57 PM

Always 3 levels deep

Kenna James · 11:57 PM

Hey, I'm the one that brought it back on topic (scroll up) pls

Blake Ian · 11:58 PM

Well I guess we did exhaust the original question

Kenna James · 11:59 PM

Level 1 There is no democracy on the direction of a ship

Blake Ian · 11:59 PM

And we came to an agreement that we both feel it's harder to go from stopped to motion than to turn a moving ship

Blake Ian · 11:59 PM

I agree

Blake Ian · 11:59 PM

a ship is not a democracy

Kenna James · 12:00 AM

Nor a private business

Blake Ian · 12:01 AM

a ship isn't a private business? Or a private business isn't a democracy? Haha

Kenna James · 12:01 AM

Both lol

Kenna James · 12:02 AM

I mean....a private B is not a democracy

Blake Ian · 12:02 AM

(By the way If you typo you can tap your comment and delete it and retype)

Kenna James · 12:02 AM

Blake Ian · 12:02 AM

Like I just did

Blake Ian · 12:02 AM

right it's not, I guess that's why it fits this analogy

Kenna James · 12:03 AM

Yes

Blake Ian · 12:03 AM

what about a poker strategy

Blake Ian · 12:03 AM

May seem like a silly question

Blake Ian · 12:03 AM

But it isn't a democracy

Blake Ian · 12:04 AM

There may be a lot of voices in your head with different opinions

Blake Ian · 12:04 AM

But the strongest will decide

Kenna James · 12:04 AM

Take the Lead in the hand. You do better when you're the one in front

Blake Ian · 12:05 AM

Ah I guess I meant just the person playing, but you are Tawking about the table

Blake Ian · 12:05 AM

Good point

Kenna James · 12:05 AM

The one w the most influence is the strongest

Blake Ian · 12:05 AM

Still not a democracy

Kenna James · 12:05 AM

Exactly

Kenna James · 12:05 AM

Benevolent dictator

Kenna James · 12:08 AM

A leader leads, he may consider opinions but should make his own decisions

Blake Ian · 12:08 AM

I think we discussed this in our last chat but there is a major difference there

Blake Ian · 12:08 AM

AS a captain of a ship, a leader of a business, or head of a family you are making decisions but if you are doing it right...

Blake Ian · 12:09 AM

You have everyone else's interests in mind

Blake Ian · 12:09 AM

The interest of the whole unit

Blake Ian · 12:09 AM

in poker you are trying to make others lose

Blake Ian · 12:09 AM

Quite different no?

Kenna James · 12:09 AM

Not exactly on the second point, no

Kenna James · 12:10 AM

Point 1 yes, but poker is not about trying to get the other guy to lose

Kenna James · 12:10 AM

He will do that in his own

Kenna James · 12:10 AM

Blake Ian · 12:11 AM

Sure but that's semantics, my point stands that you are not acting in the best interests of the table

Blake Ian · 12:11 AM

As you are on a ship

Blake Ian · 12:11 AM

they are your opponents

Kenna James · 12:11 AM

In ANY game, there are going to be people who lose

Blake Ian · 12:11 AM

The opposite of say your employees or your team

Blake Ian · 12:12 AM

It's apples and oranges though, the other people at a poker table are more like other companies or pirate ships

Blake Ian · 12:12 AM

We can't compare them to people on your own ship

Kenna James · 12:13 AM

Hmmm not sure Im ready to concede that point, but let's focus on business a moment

Kenna James · 12:15 AM

I gotta keep the other players in the game in order to keep the game going. Just like you have to keep employees in the game to keep the business running.

Kenna James · 12:15 AM

Someone's gotta pay the rake !

Blake Ian · 12:17 AM

Wow that's a reaaaal stretch just to not concede

Blake Ian · 12:17 AM

Even for you

Blake Ian · 12:17 AM

haha

Blake Ian · 12:17 AM

But as you said lets move on to a business

Blake Ian · 12:19 AM

and remind me not to let you have the wheel if we are in a ship

Blake Ian · 12:19 AM

You may turn to me and confuse me for an opponent

Blake Ian · 12:19 AM

Since you find your opponents and the people you are tasked to protect to be one in the same

Kenna James · 12:21 AM

Not just the Same, but similar and yet different, all at the same time

Kenna James · 12:22 AM

Depends on where you put your focus

Kenna James · 12:22 AM

You can't defeat an enemy that won't sit down to dinner

Blake Ian · 12:22 AM

If you manage a basketball team... There are the people on your team and the people on the other team right?

Blake Ian · 12:22 AM

Whose interests are you acting on behalf ?

Kenna James · 12:22 AM

Right

Kenna James · 12:23 AM

The team I'm on

Blake Ian · 12:23 AM

The people in your company or on your ship are on your team... The people at a poker table are people on the other team

Kenna James · 12:23 AM

Yes and also No

Blake Ian · 12:23 AM

for all intents in purposes

Blake Ian · 12:23 AM

Explain the no

Blake Ian · 12:24 AM

When are the people at the poker table on your team?

Blake Ian · 12:24 AM

That's Collusion! Im calling the floor!!

Blake Ian · 12:24 AM

Kenna is having these guys dump their stacks to him!!!

Blake Ian · 12:25 AM

😄

Kenna James · 12:25 AM

In competition they are not on my team but in the Industry they are

Blake Ian · 12:25 AM

Ok fine, but since we are discussing your play at that table

Kenna James · 12:25 AM

When we fight the Govt for the right to play online

Blake Ian · 12:25 AM

Is that relevant

Blake Ian · 12:26 AM

Again reaching

Blake Ian · 12:26 AM

We aren't at all discussing that

Blake Ian · 12:26 AM

We are discussing when you are playing against them at a table

Kenna James · 12:26 AM

To have a flexible viewpoint is relative, yes

Kenna James · 12:27 AM

It's why business or poker players struggle

Kenna James · 12:27 AM

Limited viewpoint

Blake Ian · 12:27 AM

Let me ask you a plain and simple question

Kenna James · 12:27 AM

Then they try to use Force

Kenna James · 12:28 AM

Blake Ian · 12:28 AM

You sit at a poker table... There is you and 5 other players

Blake Ian · 12:28 AM

It's a single table tournament

Blake Ian · 12:29 AM

Now as it relates to winning that tournament and playing your best... Whose best interests are your decisions going to be based on?

Blake Ian · 12:29 AM

Yours or your opponents?

Blake Ian · 12:29 AM

overall - final result best interests

Blake Ian · 12:31 AM

you are making a decision on how to play a hand, ultimately is your goal for that decision to profit you or your opponent?

Kenna James · 12:31 AM

My own, but I must consider my Opponents interests if I am to have any hope in defeating them!

Blake Ian · 12:31 AM

I didn't ask that at all

Blake Ian · 12:31 AM

Your own is your answer

Kenna James · 12:31 AM

I will use His interest in defeating the enemy

Blake Ian · 12:31 AM

Of course you consider other people's interests

Kenna James · 12:31 AM

Lol

Blake Ian · 12:31 AM

Right

Blake Ian · 12:32 AM

That has nothing to do with whose interests are you acting to benefit

Blake Ian · 12:32 AM

So ok you answers that

Blake Ian · 12:33 AM

Keep it simple hear. It's a 2 option answer, question 2

Blake Ian · 12:33 AM

You are the captain of a ship

Blake Ian · 12:33 AM

You have to make a decision... Do you, yes or no, have the people on that ship's best interest in mind?

Kenna James · 12:33 AM

Remember the name of the 1st slave ship?

Kenna James · 12:34 AM

Not in competition

Blake Ian · 12:34 AM

What competition??

Blake Ian · 12:34 AM

I said a captain on a ship

Kenna James · 12:34 AM

In competition the idea is to defeat the other guy

Blake Ian · 12:34 AM

Your passengers are not your competition

Blake Ian · 12:35 AM

Who said anything about a competition

Blake Ian · 12:35 AM

I said you're a captain of a ship

Kenna James · 12:35 AM

Capt Bligh would disagree

Blake Ian · 12:35 AM

you're just going too far out of your way to disagree now

Blake Ian · 12:36 AM

your opponents are not the same as your own team

Blake Ian · 12:36 AM

If you feel you can make a case as to why they are the same as opposed to opposites I'm amazed

Kenna James · 12:36 AM

Yes, best interest of the crew

Blake Ian · 12:37 AM

opponent literally means Opposed!

Blake Ian · 12:37 AM

Your interests and intended results are opposite

Blake Ian · 12:37 AM

Your teammates, crew, family, business team

Blake Ian · 12:37 AM

Should be aligned

Blake Ian · 12:38 AM

I need to move on from that point before I get a headache

Kenna James · 12:38 AM

Should be, but sometimes the crew is weak

Blake Ian · 12:38 AM

Explaining that your team and your opponents are not the same

Kenna James · 12:38 AM

I agree

Blake Ian · 12:38 AM

Blake Ian · 12:39 AM

So - let's continue with making business decisions to change direction and fight the momentum

Kenna James · 12:39 AM

Okay

Blake Ian · 12:39 AM

when you feel your headed in a direction that is bad for the business

Blake Ian · 12:40 AM

Have you had experience with that ?

Blake Ian · 12:40 AM

or I guess we can go with your expertise which you are a champion at

Blake Ian · 12:40 AM

When your play is going the wrong direction all day

Blake Ian · 12:40 AM

How do you turn the ship around

Blake Ian · 12:41 AM

What are some fundamentals that people can practice and bring into their awareness

Blake Ian · 12:41 AM

Instead of getting carried off by tilt or other symptoms of momentum

Kenna James · 12:42 AM

Yes, I have had experience in many areas.

Kenna James · 12:42 AM

First off is Patience:

Kenna James · 12:42 AM

Patience involves suffering in place

Kenna James · 12:43 AM

Second piece of advice is

Blake Ian · 12:43 AM

Can you give any exercises on tapping into patience in the moment

Blake Ian · 12:43 AM

Breathing? Get up from the table? Etc

Kenna James · 12:43 AM

Yes

Kenna James · 12:44 AM

Exercise: put your Focus up and Out

Kenna James · 12:45 AM

Not down and In

Blake Ian · 12:45 AM

nice words

Blake Ian · 12:45 AM

Can you expand

Blake Ian · 12:45 AM

I meant that sincerely haha

Blake Ian · 12:46 AM

Really well said and very interesting terminology

Kenna James · 12:46 AM

Sure...let me give you an example more specific

Blake Ian · 12:46 AM

How does one start to do that

Kenna James · 12:47 AM

To first become Aware that the suffering that is happening comes from some resistance to some sort of Inflow

Kenna James · 12:47 AM

Bare w me a moment

Kenna James · 12:48 AM

If I have an Employee who is constantly complaining let's say

Kenna James · 12:48 AM

And I need to exercise patience

Kenna James · 12:49 AM

I grant Beingness to the complaining

Kenna James · 12:50 AM

Aware that he is complaining about himself

Kenna James · 12:50 AM

Or something he is resisting looking at in himself

Kenna James · 12:51 AM

If I try to get him to stop complaining, I am now resisting his resistance!

Kenna James · 12:51 AM

I fail to see my own resistance to the complainer

Blake Ian · 12:55 AM

Ok so can you relate that practice back to turning the ship around, like what are the thoughts if you are playing poorly and just seem to keep heading in tha direction

Blake Ian · 12:55 AM

What represents the resistance in that case

Blake Ian · 12:56 AM

you make excellent points about not being brought into someone else's mind frame

Blake Ian · 12:57 AM

But I think what we are discussing is when you're own momentum is headed in an undesirable direction

Blake Ian · 12:58 AM

How do you turn the ship around and let go of the forces pulling you in the other way

Blake Ian · 12:58 AM

Like negative self talk or anger about a bad beat

Blake Ian · 12:58 AM

Beating yourself up over a mistake, trying to get revenge at a specific player...

Kenna James · 1:00 AM

Sry lost connection

Kenna James · 1:02 AM

Ah! I misunderstood, my apologies.

Kenna James · 1:04 AM

In answer to your query then: you must gain insight on what is diverting you and then sever the ties!

Kenna James · 1:04 AM

If it's people, then remove yourself from the group.

Blake Ian · 1:05 AM

no apology necessary it was some great insight in general

Blake Ian · 1:05 AM

I'm just always after your actual practices and thought patterns at the table

Kenna James · 1:05 AM

If it's your own thinking, then we must change the way we think

Blake Ian · 1:05 AM

Whenever I can get that from you, I become a stronger player

Blake Ian · 1:05 AM

Selfish of me ;)

Kenna James · 1:06 AM

No worries. Like right now I'm playing a tourney as we chat

Kenna James · 1:06 AM

I defeated myself twice

Blake Ian · 1:06 AM

Perhaps I should let you sever from this distraction at the moment

Blake Ian · 1:06 AM

so you can follow your own rules

Kenna James · 1:06 AM

By making moves in spots I wasn't suppose to because I lost patience

Blake Ian · 1:07 AM

Ah ok!

Blake Ian · 1:08 AM

So you are saying your played hands in a manner that is beneath your level of skill

Kenna James · 1:08 AM

Instead of waiting for the "right" hand or situation to present itself, I tried to Force things

Blake Ian · 1:08 AM

Because of impatience

Blake Ian · 1:08 AM

Well THAT we can definitely take back to business

Blake Ian · 1:08 AM

Among other areas

Blake Ian · 1:09 AM

I was just discussing this a couple of days ago with Rachael, the director and co-founder of this lovely app Tawkers...

Kenna James · 1:09 AM

This is my 3rd buy in to this event and I'm playing totally different now

Kenna James · 1:09 AM

Tell me-

Blake Ian · 1:09 AM

And we were discussing how many times we have put all this effort into fruitless situations

Blake Ian · 1:09 AM

Whether it is a person or organization...

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

And then the ones that work out amazing

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

Take the least effort, they just HAPPEN

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

something I have experienced in personal relationships

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

And certainly songwriting as well

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

The best songs spill out in minutes

Blake Ian · 1:10 AM

No effort

Blake Ian · 1:11 AM

So the real trick is positioning yourself, your mind, attitude, behavior to be in the optimal receptive place

Blake Ian · 1:12 AM

For the efforts situations to come through, and to make sure you are ready to receive them

Blake Ian · 1:12 AM

So NOT brooding over the bad beat from last hand in other words

Kenna James · 1:12 AM

Well, I wouldn't say "No Effort" because for anything to get accomplished takes effort. Even though it may feel effortless because of the lack of resistance

Blake Ian · 1:12 AM

hmmm

Blake Ian · 1:13 AM

I don't know if the ancient philosophers would agree

Blake Ian · 1:13 AM

Well I suppose it's effort to get in position

Blake Ian · 1:13 AM

Yes

Blake Ian · 1:13 AM

No "forced effort" perhaps is better phrasing

Kenna James · 1:14 AM

Yes! I think what you've gone thru is part of the Process!

Kenna James · 1:14 AM

And thru the process you gain Experience....which hands are profitable to play and which ones are not, for example

Blake Ian · 1:14 AM

right that is a good point for sure... Nothing is wasted, without the trials of forced effort we wouldn't learn or get stronger

Blake Ian · 1:15 AM

If you never fall off a skateboard when you are a kid

Blake Ian · 1:15 AM

You are always afraid of falling

Blake Ian · 1:15 AM

After you take a hard fall, you are significantly less concerned with falling

Blake Ian · 1:15 AM

It's no longer unknown

Blake Ian · 1:16 AM

Also, you learn HOW to fall properly

Kenna James · 1:18 AM

Not exactly

Kenna James · 1:18 AM

But I'll cover that in a minute

Kenna James · 1:18 AM

Experience is just the start...

Kenna James · 1:18 AM

Doing what you Know to be right is the toughest part

Kenna James · 1:20 AM

I KNEW playing the hand was incorrect, but still did it

Blake Ian · 1:20 AM

because of impatience

Kenna James · 1:20 AM

That's called lack of Ethics

Kenna James · 1:20 AM

Yes

Blake Ian · 1:21 AM

so do you find yourself ever sliding down a slope so to speak

Kenna James · 1:21 AM

So learning what works and what doesn't is just the start

Blake Ian · 1:21 AM

Where you are going against what you know is right repeatedly

Kenna James · 1:21 AM

Of course

Blake Ian · 1:22 AM

Well THAT is what this chat is all about

Blake Ian · 1:22 AM

That's what I was doin when you said "you gotta turn the ship around"

Blake Ian · 1:22 AM

I was just playing poorly and against my better judgement hand after hand

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

And it got harder with each hand because the momentum was building

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

with that my friend I need to head out to a dinner

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

Feel free to keep the thoughts coming

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

I'll check in later

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

Thanks so much for this exchange

Blake Ian · 1:23 AM

always a privilege

Kenna James · 1:24 AM

Ok cool YW - TT

Kenna James · 1:24 AM

Kenna James · 5:45 AM

Do u know What fueled your momentum when u were playing poorly? Was it the need to win? To get even? To not lose??

Blake Ian · 5:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from ed goldsmith

“Eventually it will relent and reverse it's flow! From that day forward you will enjoy the Luxury of being carried by it - in the direction you wish to go! "”

Blake Ian · 10:29 PM

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stephanie markAug 2, 2014, 2:31 AM★ Spotlighted

It seems that is what the physical world is about - not seeing the whole picture

stephanie markAug 2, 2014, 2:37 AM★ Spotlighted

That is a great point I always think about it in terms of using your perceptions and inner compass to find your specific truth without it be handed to. You- as in faith but I like where you took that..

stephanie markAug 2, 2014, 2:51 AM★ Spotlighted

I would think It has to be that being in motion allows for change, because the fluidity and flexibility but then again sometimes hitting a wall in life is the best for a needed turn around

ed goldsmithAug 4, 2014, 6:34 PM

So once again I missed the opportunity of watching the 2 masters sharing their WISDOM on a Live TAWK, however the read was as if I was actually there! For I was indeed in agreement with so many thoughts of Turning that ship!

ed goldsmithAug 4, 2014, 6:41 PM

As Blake mentions in the TAWK about the philosophy of taking a step forward each day whether in good times or not so good times...that led me to another quote from "Megatudes" ...they fail to realize that if you fight the current long enough, .....

ed goldsmithAug 4, 2014, 6:42 PM★ Spotlighted

Eventually it will relent and reverse it's flow! From that day forward you will enjoy the Luxury of being carried by it - in the direction you wish to go! "

Johnathonfall thethirdAug 12, 2014, 10:30 AM

It is gaining momentum...finally!