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V for Vendetta:Obedience or Freedom?

Jan 6, 2014

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Jan 6, 2014

Join Lucy and I as we talk about the 2005 hit movie, 'V for Vendetta.' Watch the movie before you come to the tawk and join us as we discuss the move itself, parallels to our world, and much more!

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Rachel McDonnell · 8:00 PM

Welcome Lucy! :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:00 PM

hello? this thing on?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:00 PM

And welcome audience! :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:00 PM

hey Rachel!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:00 PM

Hey! :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:00 PM

yes a big hello to the gorgeous audience
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Lucy Dyer · 8:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I'm wearing my Guy Fawkes mask”

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Rachel McDonnell · 8:00 PM

That's the spirit Jordan! :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:01 PM

How will we be able to know it's you? ;)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:01 PM

its on back to front,rachel
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:01 PM

So we are tawking about the movie V for Vendetta which we obviously find very interesting or we wouldn't be having this tawk
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“you can recognize my voice”

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Lucy Dyer · 8:02 PM

can i post the revolutionary speech from the film?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:02 PM

There are so many great things about this movie. the characters, the plot, the language... I could go on and on
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Lucy Dyer · 8:02 PM

http://youtu.be/KKvvOFIHs4k
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:02 PM

sure go ahead :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:02 PM

So first I must ask every has seen the movie correct?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:02 PM

yes miss :-)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:02 PM

Do you have a favorite character? Lucy?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:02 PM

i forgot just how good it was
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:03 PM

me too every time I watch it I am ready to kick ass and take names :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:03 PM

Evie was cool,i as the movie went on,i fell for V. who wouldn't,right?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:03 PM

yes even though we never see him, I too fell in love with him :) I feel like each character represented a certain archetype from society
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Lucy Dyer · 8:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I like EV's boss too”

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Rachel McDonnell · 8:04 PM

the chancellor, the inspector, the victim, the media whore, and the vigilante
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Lucy Dyer · 8:04 PM

wit that mask,you think there was a touch of S & M in there?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:04 PM

lol!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:04 PM

maybe...
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:04 PM

he was into knives
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:04 PM

haha
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Lucy Dyer · 8:04 PM

i know! lol
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Lucy Dyer · 8:05 PM

but thats for another Tawk...
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:05 PM

he actually never took them off.. hmm
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:05 PM

i think you are on to something... lol
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Lucy Dyer · 8:05 PM

i did like him in his apron
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:05 PM

Yes! I love the scene where he cooks, in fact I find it fascinating to see him doing normal everyday things like that in the movie.. it seems so odd
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Lucy Dyer · 8:06 PM

so reading this "list" i have in front of me - shall we start with Comedy?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:06 PM

why would comedy go so well with revolution talk?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:06 PM

so this is interesting I pulled up the speech on youtube and on the right hand side it had a video saying "10 terrorists in movies" or something like that and there was V... would you consider him a terrorist? I thought that was a bit harsh
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Lucy Dyer · 8:07 PM

is it a case of "you gotta laugh or you'll cry"?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:07 PM

yes we can start with that and come back around to my thing
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Lucy Dyer · 8:07 PM

ooops sorry...let s stay with yours then
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:07 PM

haha
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:07 PM

ok let's start with the comedy.. we will keep it light for now
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:08 PM

alright so I love that there is such a mix of comedy in such a dark and violent world they create for this movie
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:08 PM

and it does seem to be the only way V stays sane in a way.. it's how he copes
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Lucy Dyer · 8:08 PM

maybe comedy is the light at the of the tunnel
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:08 PM

maybe. it does keep hope alive in a way that little else does.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:09 PM

the dark and and violent side to film are the corrupt governmetn,the cops etc
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Lucy Dyer · 8:09 PM

whilst the comedy,lighter side of the film is the good side
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:09 PM

yes and love... don't forget about love :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:09 PM

oh yes. (sighs)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:10 PM

oh before I forget! any new comers if you want to chat with the audience feel free and thumbs up comments so that we can see them. If we like them we will spotlight them into the conversation
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:10 PM

so basically we are thrown into this world that I personally see as a cautionary tale
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:11 PM

a world where control of the people has been seized by those in power, a world devoid of hope, and filled with fear
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:11 PM

enter V
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Lucy Dyer · 8:11 PM

its kinda spooky that many of themes in that film are around today
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Lucy Dyer · 8:11 PM

spying on people for one
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Lucy Dyer · 8:12 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“agreed - they manufacture fear of a false disease to yield consent”

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Rachel McDonnell · 8:12 PM

it is. Honestly I didn't know this movie was based off a comic book until a few weeks ago. I thought it was a social commentary of sorts.. which it is
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:12 PM

yes and another major theme is keeping the people fearful so that they don't step out of line
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:13 PM

and poison their own people and their water treatment plant
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:13 PM

in essence they kill something like 100,000 of their own people to gain control
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Lucy Dyer · 8:13 PM

oh good lord yes. keep them apathetic muppets,with no original thought of their own
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:14 PM

that is what I find most interesting about Evey's character... in the beginning she is so afraid, she actually doesn't even know how much fear controls her until she meets V
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Lucy Dyer · 8:14 PM

does anyone?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:14 PM

so would you say that is something we see in our world often?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:14 PM

its not until you face fear head on,that you know
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Lucy Dyer · 8:15 PM

oh hell yes we do. you see it everywhere you go. on TV,in newspapers,governments...
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:16 PM

and you cannot face fear head on if you do not know you are being controlled by it.. it because a hard situation, because in order to get people to overcome that fear they must first see that they are afraid
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Lucy Dyer · 8:16 PM

and thats the hard bit
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:16 PM

And that is where the media steps in
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:16 PM

they help create fear in people.. false fear
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Lucy Dyer · 8:16 PM

you need under ground media to tell you whats wrong in the world,to say that things are not all it seems
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:17 PM

and luckily we do have that in our world. In the movie that has all been snuffed out.. even music has been banned because it promotes free thinking
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:17 PM

p.s. how much of a douchebag is the high chancellor? :p
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Lucy Dyer · 8:18 PM

douchbag is not the word i would use lol
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:18 PM

what word would you use?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:18 PM

asshat
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:18 PM

haha yes that is more correct... and he turns out to be such a coward too.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:19 PM

most bullys,and thats what the chancellor is,are cowards
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:19 PM

I think the head of security guy was more in charge than the chancellor ever was
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:19 PM

another parallel
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:19 PM

he came up with the plan and the chancellor was "the face"
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Lucy Dyer · 8:20 PM

well in that case,if it went wrong,the chancellor would blame him
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Lucy Dyer · 8:21 PM

do you think that the use of a mask,is a metaphor for covering up the real "us" and projecting something that we want?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:21 PM

yes I think the mask went along with the quote, " you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea"
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Lucy Dyer · 8:22 PM

thats where word of mouth comes into it,i guess
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:22 PM

it made them empowered enough to fight for an idea above their own lives basically
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Lucy Dyer · 8:22 PM

that they were all the same,had the same problems
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:23 PM

yes, I love the part with the speech because you can see that all the people watching feel the same way and know exactly what he is talking about very powerful
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:23 PM

so back to my first question, would you consider V a "terrorist" or a vigilante as a one?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:24 PM

if by terroist,you mean someone who instills terrot - then yes. he instilled terror in the government and police. but for the common man,he was a vigilante
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Lucy Dyer · 8:25 PM

that make sense?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:25 PM

yes I never thought of it that way
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:25 PM

so for the people he was a savior, but not for those in control
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Lucy Dyer · 8:26 PM

exactly
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:26 PM

that makes me rethink the way they throw that word around today
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Lucy Dyer · 8:26 PM

kinda like the way Occupy was the spark
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:26 PM

OCCUPY!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:26 PM

:)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:26 PM

yes.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:27 PM

and of course,if you wanna go really deep - he was a Jesus character
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:27 PM

so my question is, do you think we are heading down a path that this movie shows.. a dark surveillance state? or do you think we are starting to awaken and take a step away from that?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:27 PM

ooh
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:28 PM

I like that.. tell that to the media guy ranting about "godlessness" lol
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Lucy Dyer · 8:28 PM

i think we were already heading down that way,we just didnt know it. until now
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Lucy Dyer · 8:29 PM

with advent of occupy,annoymous and the like,people are thinking for themselves and finally seeing things are wrong. like the spying,surveillance
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:29 PM

I agree. It all starts and ends here if you ask me. I feel like we are at a tipping point and it could go either way. So what's to save us? Save a V of our own?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:29 PM

Speaking anonymous how awesome are they?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:29 PM

that was rhetorical lol :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:30 PM

some of the stuff they done have been mind blowing
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:31 PM

so the subject of vigilantes has always been a topic people seem to steer clear of.. there is a lot of grey area to discuss
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:31 PM

there are good and bad things about vigilantes
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Lucy Dyer · 8:31 PM

unfortunately,thats true. some take it way too far.
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:32 PM

So where do you think the line is drawn? There is a line in the movie where he says something like, "Sometimes violence is necessary" .. for justice
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:32 PM

what are your thoughts on that?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:32 PM

p.s. I think the violent vigilante is a common theme in ALL superhero movies and comics which also says something interesting about our own culture
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Lucy Dyer · 8:33 PM

well,Madela practically said the very same thing
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Lucy Dyer · 8:33 PM

he would have used violence only to get his message across NOT to harm people
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Lucy Dyer · 8:34 PM

maybe V was thinking in that sense
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:34 PM

and there are those of the mindset that any violence is bad.. which I can see their point too..
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Lucy Dyer · 8:34 PM

yeah,and thats why Madela went to jail
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:35 PM

yes like he only choose to go after the people who harmed him and the others in that facility so for him it was pure vengeance
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Lucy Dyer · 8:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“In Fight Club they tried to make sure the buildings were empty before they blew them up.”

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Lucy Dyer · 8:35 PM

its a while since i've watched that film,JB. but damn good point!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:36 PM

Yes and V didn't harm anyone innocent.. however he did set the scene, knowing that some people would get harmed... because that is something that is always at risk
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Lucy Dyer · 8:36 PM

he blew up the old baily - but it was gonna be knocked down anyways
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Lucy Dyer · 8:36 PM

he wanted to make a point
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:36 PM

It's been FOREVER since I have seen fight club :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:37 PM

That's another down side... speaking of the movie specifically when Evie is talking about the Count of Monte Cristo and she says she is sad for the girl because the only thing he ever cared about was vengeance.. and I think that is a down side of V's
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Lucy Dyer · 8:37 PM

but with V,he made sure people were willing to die,and just blindly follow him
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:37 PM

character he gets stuck in his own rage basically and it takes him over
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:37 PM

yes he gave the people a choice
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:38 PM

I love masked characters in movies.. they seem to share similar qualities.. reminds me a little of Phantom of the Opera.. he was also consumed by his own anger.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:38 PM

i just found this quote about the film...
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Lucy Dyer · 8:39 PM

Because of fear, Americans — like the English citizens in V — are trading our precious liberty in for a false sense of security. Sept. 11 happened, and it was horrible, but instead of reacting with resolve, we reacted with fear. We passed the
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Lucy Dyer · 8:39 PM

so-called "Patriot" Act, which implied that anyone who disagreed with this utter trampling of the Bill of Rights was a traitor, or worse. We held people in prison without respecting habeas corpus. And so on.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:39 PM

couldnt agree more,right?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:40 PM

ugh I cannot stand their use of wording in these acts just like the TPP most people think it is about free trade
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Lucy Dyer · 8:40 PM

slavery is a better word for that
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:40 PM

they are so sneaking with their wording and people hear patriotism and they say well I am American.. gotta go along with it then
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:40 PM

yes pretty much it is the opposite of what they title things now lol
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:41 PM

so how do we get people to stop being afraid to even speak out
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Lucy Dyer · 8:41 PM

by letting them
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Lucy Dyer · 8:41 PM

its not hard,but people will try and make it so
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:42 PM

for me personally it has been like taking baby steps.. I speak out about one subject I really care about and then get comfortable with that and then add something new to the mix.. but it is crazy I myself didn't know how scary it truly was to speak
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:42 PM

the truth until I started to
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:42 PM

and then that kind of pissed me off like why should I be afraid to even talk about things?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:43 PM

truth hurts
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Lucy Dyer · 8:43 PM

i would rather be sad and told the truth,than happy with a lie
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:44 PM

truth. in the movie the first thing they do is isolate all the free thinkers and activists "black bag" them
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:45 PM

I just have to wonder what kind of fear people have to be under for something like THAT to come common place..
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Lucy Dyer · 8:45 PM

gag the truthers. like thats not happening today
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:45 PM

true. so do you think one has to become a villain to fight a villain?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:45 PM

like V for example
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Lucy Dyer · 8:46 PM

mmmm is V a villain tho? i'm not sure
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:46 PM

to the chancellor and those in power he is.. like you said earlier
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Lucy Dyer · 8:47 PM

to them of course yes.
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:47 PM

it's sort of like if you look long enough into the abyss...
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Lucy Dyer · 8:47 PM

to the common person? no
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:47 PM

yes exactly. and let's be honest the people are who we should be fighting for MORE
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Lucy Dyer · 8:47 PM

and we are,gradually. lol
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:48 PM

and people need to fight for eachother, their common man.. I think we have lost that too..
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:48 PM

I'm starting a new human rights movement! who's with me! :D
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Lucy Dyer · 8:48 PM

i have to agree with you on that. people still want their comfortable things. they dont care what happens to others
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Lucy Dyer · 8:49 PM

*sticks up hand* :-)
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:50 PM

so I was thinking of this the other day and I don't know how well this fits with the movie but I was thinking about people being so preoccupied with the media now and youtube and all that and it made me wonder is what we love about all this "stuff"
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:50 PM

is that we feel like "celebrities" in a way... which is something people glorify too much
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Lucy Dyer · 8:51 PM

you know,there are some people who have changed to someone even i dont particulary like anymore
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:51 PM

and so we bought into the social media hook line and sinker.. hey look at my selfie! hey look I took a picture of a cat!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:51 PM

because of the influence of social media? I hear ya... it is feeding our egos but not much else :/
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Lucy Dyer · 8:52 PM

and yes,they would started off "small",gone big time and forgot what it was that got them interested in the first place
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Lucy Dyer · 8:52 PM

its hard to separate the fame from the ego.
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Lucy Dyer · 8:52 PM

to stay down to earth
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:52 PM

I sort of worry that we are all going to be primping in the mirror as the world falls apart behind us
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Lucy Dyer · 8:53 PM

lol ack not me. the mirror would crack
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:53 PM

lol oh nonesense!
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Lucy Dyer · 8:53 PM

i know i know...
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:54 PM

oh another quote that I loved was when V was talking to Evie after she had been imprisoned and set free and he says, "they have taken everything from you, BUT your life."
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Lucy Dyer · 8:55 PM

so,i know i brought up this topic earlier,but i kinda wanna spin it out a bit. Comedy - who today has or is bringing the message of whats wrong in the world?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:55 PM

is there anyone in the media doing the same thing?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:55 PM

is there anyone we should watch out for?
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:55 PM

I know! I know! lol we should plug Lee Camp's awesome stuff :D
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Lucy Dyer · 8:56 PM

he gets enough plugs!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:56 PM

I think the mainstream media needs more of it, although with corporate control that is nearly impossible
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:56 PM

alright who's on your list? :)
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Lucy Dyer · 8:56 PM

robin ince is a good one. and then theres nick revell
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:57 PM

what about good places to get your news?
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Lucy Dyer · 8:57 PM

oh then theres richard herring
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:57 PM

i need to take notes
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Lucy Dyer · 8:57 PM

mmmm well i used to think HuffPo was good,but i feel they have been going downhill latley
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Lucy Dyer · 8:58 PM

so i just search around google for stuff. research it,and then maybe tweet or facebook it
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Lucy Dyer · 8:58 PM

and theres that word of mouth..sometimes good
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:58 PM

so staying informed is huge - we can't let complacency win...
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Lucy Dyer · 8:59 PM

good god no!
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:59 PM

yes I think the best thing we can do individual is to speak out and discuss things with others..
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Rachel McDonnell · 8:59 PM

maybe that will keep the fear at bay and we will remember we have a voice for a reason
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Lucy Dyer · 9:00 PM

oh i do. i've lost a few friends that way lol
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:00 PM

that is the message I get from this movie - everyone has a right to live, everyone has a right to speak out, and we must always do what is right for the people
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:00 PM

well maybe they are not ready to listen yet...
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Lucy Dyer · 9:01 PM

i do what i want,what i feel is right. yes i may get stuff wrong - and i usually do - but i've been more happy with myself that way than i have before
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:02 PM

Well I know I am glad to know you :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:02 PM

Thanks for chatting with me Lucy! :) Anything else you'd like to discuss before we head out?
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Lucy Dyer · 9:02 PM

i think i am getting to the point where i dont care if people think i post too much,or what i post
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Lucy Dyer · 9:02 PM

um um.....whay does my mind go blank whenever anyone says that? lol
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:02 PM

I think that is a good point to get to.. after all, the whole point it NOT to be controlled by what others think right ;)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:03 PM

lol! I put you on the spot :)
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Lucy Dyer · 9:03 PM

but yes,this tawk was really good. totally enjoyed it. thank you
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:03 PM

why don't you throw your website link up here so that people can see all the awesome artwork you create? :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:03 PM

yes this was fun. Thanks! :)
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Lucy Dyer · 9:04 PM

My website to the AWESOME art i do! - http://dickiesbintsart.jimdo.com/
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:04 PM

:)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:04 PM

And thanks to the audience.. a.k.a. Jordan our faithful audience member.. we love ya man! :)
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Lucy Dyer · 9:04 PM

and thanks to the lovley audeince,you were super! :-)
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Lucy Dyer · 9:04 PM

yes much love to JB!
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:04 PM

Thanks again Lucy! We will tawk again soon. :)
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Lucy Dyer · 9:05 PM

most certainly Rachel :-)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:05 PM

anyone coming late you can scroll to the top of the conversation to few it in its entirety. bye all. :)
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:05 PM

*to view it
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Rachel McDonnell · 9:05 PM

(typo on the last post arg lol)