Lee Camp

War As The First Resort??

Jul 22, 2014

Eleanor Goldfield
Stage· 254 messages
Jul 22, 2014

Lee Camp and Eleanor Goldfield take on our hyper-militarization and the need for endless war.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

Hey everyone! Thanks for joining this week's REVOLTING tawk! Tweet, post, email, carrier pigeon and let everyone know you're here!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

Hey!!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

Here is a valuable info source for those willing to wake up to the war on consciousness http://24.45.182.29:500/Arks%20of%20Knowledge/

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

By the magic of internet Eleanor is joining us from Sweden.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:00 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

Hey guys!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:00 PM

:) technology is a beautiful thing
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

Would you guys please be awesome and post on your pages telling people to join us right now?? Just give them the URL and tell them it's FREE>
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

hey everyone! Hi Lee and Eleanor! :) Sweden? Cool! :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

there is no money to be made handing hugs$0.00 ...shooting somebody in the face $200 for the gun $10 dollars for a box of bullets $5.000 for medical care .....its win win for the gun nuts

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

What about all the money in hugging gloves, Barry?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:01 PM

★ Spotlighted from Robin Maynard

hello lee and eleanor

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

hugging gloves?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:01 PM

I want a pair
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

You don't wear hugging gloves? What are you, a monster?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Cold hearted bitch but yes, either one works
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Yes I have heard you need special gloves to hug now, or it just isn't as cuddly

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:02 PM

Rachel and Lee - clearly I need some help here
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:02 PM

Crazy world right now - passenger planes getting shot down in Ukraine, building blown up in Gaza, ISIS having a field day, Syria in ruins - AAAAAAA
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

It's those Swedish people, probably treating you TOO well over there huh? :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

Yep, they are. And outside of sweden, it is one helluva crazy world
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:03 PM

but of course, war pays - so it pays to keep these dirty wars going. diplomacy doesn't pay, right?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

and the war mongering continues while the innocent suffer :(

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

the problem is many are being used by technology instead of using technology

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

ok i'll be branded a conspiracy nut for sharing this but pin this and have a peek at it later http://t.co/lctL1fGM5T

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

This one feels like a land grab.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:04 PM

which one, tim?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

I saw a pretty convincing article (but i have no proof) that Israel wants the oil rights in the waters off Gaza.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

The current Israel Palestine conflict I have been watching non stop

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

even Sweden has the Julian Assange thing going on, or is that Norway

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:05 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

I have seen some material from other activists saying the same thing Lee

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

No, it's Sweden going after Assange to appease the mighty american beast.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

Yeah, the Israel/Palestine conflict is a bloody mess and hard to get a handle on what's actually happening, but obviously not what the news says
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Ggggooooodddd evening! Ok I'm here so the party can start. And I bring goodies :-) hey lee and eleanor!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

as for assange, it's sweden but that's a whole other tawk :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:06 PM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

whoever is responsible for shooting down that plane is trying to start something with Russia and it also served as a media diversion from the ground invasion/ slaughter in Gaza.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:06 PM

in a nutshell, swedish media was strongarmed into running that story
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Hey Lee I turned one of my friends who onto your podcast and Abby Martin's stories the other day, she is from Palestine now live here, but has been livid about the one sided news stories, she was grateful to find people covering all sides! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

It is refreshing, Rachel - if only more people watched and listened to Abby and Lee!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

Anonymous should find a way to hack your shows into CNN and FOX
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:07 PM

god that would be brilliant
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

Johnathon - I think the plane shooting just goes to show that idiots shouldn't have big weapons. You put massive weapons in the hands of 18 year-olds who place their self worth in their ability to kill and fight and you end up with disaster.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

★ Spotlighted from Tim Hayes

Either way though, being part Chahta, it feels like a occupying force forcing indigenous people off their land. For more room, for more resources, or because they dont want to share the space. not right any way they try and justify it

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:08 PM

anytime you tell a people they have exclusive rights to land that others have been living on for centuries, it's bound to cause hostility
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:08 PM

All of Abby's pieces on Israel and Palestine have been translated into Arab and have gone crazy viral over there. People are hungry for some real news.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Lee - bit like putting nuclear weapons in the hands of deeply religious presidents? Yeah that works

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

yes they need to hack in some Lee news V for Vendetta style! haha hack into the media center

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

cnn and fox should receive regular shipments of dog shit

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Barry - they do, it's named Hannity.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

o0O wondering if that request to drag our friends to the tawk means that we are boring as mud ...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:09 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

how about we get past the idea that ANYONE has rights to the land, we are all just inhabitants, making land ownable just creates more greed

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:09 PM

Kimba - not at all! You're the best people on earth.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:10 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

So the world situation ... I always have to ask myself, what exactly are we being distracted from?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

Rachel, that would be a nice concept - although if it's not about land, it'd be about resources, such as water, or about gods or about pride.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

If war hawks rule, they'll come up with any and every reason to press the red button
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:11 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

people making a shit ton of money of the misery of others..

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

Kimba - you want the truth, and this doesn't mean anything has been faked - but you'll notice Obama announced new sanctions on Russia the day BEFORE the plane was hit. This means something ELSE pissed off the US. It was the development of a new
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:11 PM

world bank that excludes the US. It consists of Russia, Brazil, India, China, and S. Africa. And it threatens our economic control.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:12 PM

If that's the case, will the sanctions make that much of a difference?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

i read something from Dean Baker today talking about a possibility along those lines Lee, regarding Argentina defaulting on loans?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I wonder why they wouldn't want our debt inducing country involved lol, we are like a black hole of resources

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:13 PM

Eleanor - I doubt it. But it was at least a slap.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

We throw our weight around but in reality, how much longer can you throw around a McD's stuffed clown suit before people find out there's nothing in there but a hot fucking mess - complete with an un-backed currency, and a devolving socio-political
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:14 PM

infrastructure
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:14 PM

But you'll notice that despite all these sanctions, the oligarchs on all sides keep working together. Oil deals don't change. Shell doesn't pull out from their massive oil dealings because of any of this stuff.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

Well of course not - since the dawn of money, war has had no effect on the loyalty of making a buck
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Oh yes, BRICS! And yes, I felt there was a backstory to the whole MH-17/Ukrainian thing.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:15 PM

Just look at how we dealt with Germany during WW2
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

@Lucy good it is about time people in the US start talking about are ever failing, flailing economy.. it isn't doing the regular person any favors or those who need help either

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:15 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

sanctions are only bluster as the ones on the list dont actually trade with america

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Can't we all just get along?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

Can't everyone just stop fucking killing each other?!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

I think we can. It's a matter of the sociopaths at the top
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:16 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

This is why we can't have nice things.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:16 PM

Not only do they make money off of killing, they never have to get their hands actually dirty, or deal with PTSD, dead children, etc.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

It's not like it is THAT hard to restrain from killing people, we do it every day, what is their excuse?!?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

@Lee amen to that one

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:17 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

how many american oligarchs kids were sent to iraq .???

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I'm sorry our world is so repetitive, how about we change it up a bit and try not to kill so much... :p

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

I think one or two congressmen have kids who served...correct me if I'm wrong b/c I'm not entirely sure about htat
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:18 PM

that
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

the one that confuses me is Kerry

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

No, I think it's that low.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

just goes to show what being in the system too long does to you
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:19 PM

TOTALLY out of touch
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

its like he did a 180 over his lifetime

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:19 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I have been avoiding talking about the world situation, just because I don't want to empower it any more than it has been already.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:20 PM

I think talking about it is the only thing that will make things change, unfortunately Kimba
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

Kimba - I have avoided talking much about it because I don't like the crazy speculation that goes on and I don't like to add to pandemonium when I can't add anything original to the conversation.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:20 PM

However, our mainstream media has no problem with adding to that.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

This is part of their keeping us in fear gameplay.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

Which is why I think it's important to discuss, like we're doing now, and like I often do at dinners and become "that person." I may not get invited back to that BBQ but if I got just one or two people to question the fucking status quo and what
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

Welcome Vooluu.com to the tawk! Thanks for coming guys.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:21 PM

talking heads spew at them, well shit, I'm a happy camper
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:21 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Ya Lee -- and speaking of "speculation" - did you guys already discuss the AP report which shows US intel found no link to Russia downing the Malaysian Air plane?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Eleanor! Not getting invited back?!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:22 PM

Michael - I haven't kept up with every detail but I'm not sure whether it means much other than there's no proof of much yet.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:22 PM

That might be a bit of an exaggeration Kimba, but I do get some glares
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

I also wouldn't be surprised Michael - however, I wouldn't be surprised either way
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

I don't get invited back to the BBQ after I bring up factory farms.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Troy St Pierre

Hi Lee and Eleanor

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Lee -- true. It just ought to shut up corporate media trying to demonize Russia and fuel the flames of another Cold War redux.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:23 PM

I agree
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:23 PM

They'll find another way to demonize Russia
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:24 PM

If it's not this, it'll be the Ukrainian broken record or it'll come out that the horse Putin rides while shirtless he also slaughtered and ate raw or something
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

And the demonization of all types of people is terrible - whether it be the Palestinian people or the Russian people or the Ukranian people or the Israeli people or the American people. If we could realize that these war games are 90%
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:24 PM

plutocrats fighting plutocrats, then we could stand up against it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

And, as we discussed last week, a story is never one sided - nor is a war. Occupation, may be one sided but war never is.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

El -- LOL. yaaaa, Putin ridin' shirtless is enough for me to start the nuclear arms race again.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Troy St Pierre

Glad to be here.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

Controlled opposition. They pretend to be at war with each other, meanwhile behind the curtain..

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

I just loved the obvious blame game that happened on the MSM and on twitter and FB. This was only hours after it happened. Can't people wait to find out exactly what happened? Dumb assed people

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

Smoke and mirrors
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:25 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

exactly in every culture and every region of the world you have good people and bad people, no one whole group of people is the most awful things in the world, so much so we should be ok with using the nerve gas and horrible weapons we use

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

particularly because the a-bombs, drones and nerve gas don't kill the evil dictators in their gilded palaces
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

they warmongers might have a change of tune when they declare a war ant the somebody hands them a rifle and an rpg 7 saying..of you go now

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:26 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Exactly Lee -- they are war games. They are all excuses or rationales to build more weapons, intelligence systems and such, also it gives media some fodder to spew forth, selling us the never ending supply of fear.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:26 PM

They kill kids and innocent civilians. I mean shit - just youtube IVAW (Iraq Veterans Against War) - you'll find a whole slew of horrific stories from kids, veteran kids who were trained and told to kill innocent people just for show
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

There's a great quote from neo-con Bill Krystal saying we needed to rally the American people behind war with Russia because it was good for building military weaponry. And this a man who makes millions from military contractors.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:27 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

I'm waiting for "Drones!" the video game. Let's just complete the desensitization before people even enlist.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:27 PM

Yep. War pays...the 1%
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

There isn't one already Katie?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Yeah, if we could have kids pilot the drones without knowing it, that would be ideal.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:28 PM

I figured that was now a package deal with the Middle East medal of honor or whatever the hell that bullshit game is called
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

2katie remember TOYS staring robin williams?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:28 PM

Toys was a horrible movie but a great concept - war with toys
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

sometimes i think the earth is really just a mental institution

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

We need to dig up some of Tesla's stuff, create like a pulse beam that can deactivate the drones.. thinking ahead haha

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:29 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

#lee have you gone mad toys movie was awesome

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Katie: All shoot 'em up games have been training grounds for desensitizing people, mostly men.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:30 PM

Can't show sex on tv but can show endless murder.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:30 PM

Ugh - there's one reason I appreciate Sweden.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Speaking of former soldiers fighting back against the system, Breaking the Silence is a group of former IDF forces in Israel denouncing the war.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

@el is sweden a soft/cold police state like USSA?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:31 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Rachel - there are a few people working on the Tesla projects.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:31 PM

sorry to disappoint phil - police don't even carry guns here
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

By the way, since our news cycle acts like things are the END OF THE WORLD and then moves on and ignores them, what happened to ISIS? Are they still rampaging across Iraq? What happened to Boko Haram?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:32 PM

i've heard of that michael - and several orthodox jewish groups have gone out in protest as well
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

YES Lee -- the fucking backwardness of it all. Also, you can get paid to kill people as a cop or soldier but, hey, woah there, no paying for hand jobs to feel good. fucked.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:32 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Boko is still killing in their hundreds - apparently,Lee

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

it's like celebrity fuck buddies - move on to the next one as soon as possible to keep your PR numbers up
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

Exactly, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

it only matters if they somehow get oil, lee
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

El - Ha! True.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:33 PM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

Some of the girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram escaped.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:33 PM

I read that Katie - hopefully more will - no thanks to those damn tweets we put up
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:34 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

well played El -- Oil oh so matters.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:34 PM

Tweets don't fix everything?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Here is a video on Breaking the Silence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXdoipaqnY

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Too any opportunities for folk to find out about all the US bases in Africa. So, like eleanor said, onto to the next story....

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

And where does Syria stand now that our news is done with it?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

No Lee -- Tweets can be twatty too

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

I don't even know how many of our 900 bases are in Africa but I'm sure it's just enough to keep a handle on natural resources and corrupt governments
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:35 PM

Didn't we still give them weapons?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:35 PM

@Michael - the key is getting people to grab your twat.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

So that should keep them busy for a while
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Syria has said that the eu and us had better watch out.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Yep, El -- See Jeremy Scahill's award winning documentary Dirty Wars about the proxy warlords we are funding in the Horn of Africa.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:36 PM

Dirty Wars is great - and terrible at the same time
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:36 PM

Here's my video on US military in Africa - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uHPAQW6C4
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:37 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

i have a random question - us military base in say, Germany - is there any movement in Germany to have that removed?

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

The US and it's military aren't too popular around the world
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:38 PM

People like our culture - movies, music - although I don't know why most of the time - but our government and military trigger happy lunacy isn't too popular
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

I forget the 7 countries that was featured in one of your MOC's lee - but wasn't Iran the last on that list? And where has Kerry been?

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:38 PM

Here are the 7 countries - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qrR1AVMNU
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

@ Ben -- I dunno, but I just read that Germany is at fifty percent power with solar power alone, and is on a timetable to be 100 percent in ten years. We should do the same and promptly fucking exit the Mid East.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

i read the bok Blowback a while ago which talked about that kind of thing

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:39 PM

Yeah, Germany is fucking rad when it comes to solar power. But if we went that route, we'd probably argue that we need to stay in the Middle East bc they have more sun than us and that's not fair
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:39 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Lee in that vid: "Neocon stands for Neo-Nazi decepticon -- i think i got that right..." YES lee, you did. So very right.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:40 PM

Thanks!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:41 PM

Germany was getting over 50% of their power from solar recently.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:41 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

As for the army here, they got rid of most of it in favour of a mostly voluntary one.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

You mean people don't have to go into the army to get a college education Lucy?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:42 PM

Well fuck - that's almost civilized sounding
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

So what are some solutions other than simply voting the assholes out? I think one is to stop glorifying military weaponry and war - the way we do at every sporting event.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:42 PM

We have fighter jets fly overhead while we hail the troops and fire canons.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

---- Also, can we just do the solar-powered roadway thing?? PLZ can America produce something other than twerking freaks, silicon valley assholes that are proxies for the NSA and war war war???! Lets get back to the basics and be innovative for goood

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:43 PM

Because if you don't support the armed forces Lee - you're unamerican
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

You mean unamerrrrican.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:43 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Our military is voluntary ... oh ...wait ... I guess if it's your ONLY JOB OPTION is isn't ...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

we should support them by making war a VERY last resort, support them when they strive for peace over all else

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

i think a few super bowls ago it seemed like the whole pre game was one long commerical for military...but saying so can get you some blank stares

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

Kimba - and more importantly it's 17 year olds signing something because it seems like a good idea. Sure it does - when you're young and dumb.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:44 PM

and it's marketed as "Free education - travel the world!"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:44 PM

yeah, free education... if you don't die or come back mentally destroyed.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

And hell, if you're a woman you might just have to deal with the PTSD of rape.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:45 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

My nephew is young and dumb, and fortunately has asthma.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

I think raising the voices of veterans who come back broken mentally and physically - hi-lighting the realities of war
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:45 PM

after all, the anti-war movement went fucking nuts when the first images of the vietnam war leaked out - flag draped coffins and what not
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

alternative media plays a huge role in this of course
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

But that's not good for MSM ratings. Thank fuck for people like Lee and Dennis and Abby

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Yep, mad dudes get raped in the armed forces too. even more are raped and dont speak up because of the shaming that is associated with it within the armed forces. it is a culture of conformity and dont step outta line

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:46 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

My Dad tried to talk me into going into the military ... his thinking was that I liked to travel .... even back then I told him it wasn't an option, but I used the "f" word as a way of emphasizing my response.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

My mom's uncle was in vietnam has been watching his buddies die for years and saw awful things over there, it made me think what a horrible torture to go through your life waiting for cancer, all for a false flag :(

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:47 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

Killing is very profitable--has been for thousands of years (if you're not fighting in it!)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:47 PM

The other key to getting out of this cycle of war is what I said earlier - we need to realize that the PEOPLE of almost all countries are good people. It's the leaders are declare wars and push the red buttons. If we internalized that we're fighting
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

against good people, I think we would be less likely to do it.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

War depends on the notion that the other side is animals.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

War won't stop until greed and fear stops.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

I can't even imagine being in the military - and then when you get out, you're all brainwashed and ptsd'd.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:48 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Ya Lee -- Well said. It is more complicated than "Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas."

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Over 60% of Israelis and Palestinians want a two-state solution. Where are their voices?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

I think seeing that there is no where to bomb without hitting innocent children is making people realize the human cost of war…sadly.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

And not only that Lee, but that we go to war in the name of the "people" - as in, us. They're throwing blood on our hands in the name of safety
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Which is why Bill Maher is a fucking retard chickenhawk liberal elite that doesnt understand the real situation on the ground.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:49 PM

Jon Stewart is starting to get it.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:49 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

we have a tendency to look at things in a bias way, but when it comes to war and killing of people, we need to recognize this in ourselves and make sure all angles are being considered from all angles humanity is more complex than this blackandwhite

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

El - Yep.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Dealing w/ billmaher is like dealing w/ a hawkish elite trying to disinform u - you can only grab yer ankles for so long before tuning out.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:50 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I totes crafted that tweet the other day.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

Phil- Amber Lyon is talking quite a bit about Ayahausca too.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:51 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

Ya Lee, his intro last night was spot on! If you say anything about Israel you are trolled. It's like saying Voldermort's name.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

So it looks like we need to keep amplifying the voice of the people. It won't solve the problem overnight but the power of the people is greater than that of the people in power
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:51 PM

and on that note, you have till september 10th to comment on net neutrality at the FCC. do it again if you have, do it several times if you haven't
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:52 PM

I think it's actually changing the world that everyone is a journalist - can photograph the reality and pass it around. Palestinians' voices used to be silenced but now it's impossible. It's changing people's minds around the world.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

El - good point! Comment on the FCC. They've received over a million comments, which is the most since the Janet nipple super bowl.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

The hard part about that Kimba, is when you care so much for humanity and see our potential it is hard not to get frustrated when this is all we do, I hope we find a better way soon

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:53 PM

★ Spotlighted from dianne bohdan

Yes lee, being able to share in real time has changed the playing field!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:53 PM

channel the frustration rachel!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

cnn and fox no longer have a monopoly on the news but they still brand independent news as propaganda

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:54 PM

i agree Lee - mobile technology in particular has allowed us to document everything from monsanto to police brutality
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:54 PM

Yeah, there's other UNredacted news out there. (Shameless self promotion)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

They're trying to pass Ag Gag bills so you can't see factory farms but it's still not stopping people.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

we have a lot of power. and i just saw a great meme on facebook that was quite uplifting: if you think one small thing can't make a difference, try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

I will channel Eleanor thank you! I have a few cool sustainability projects I'm working on which helps :)

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

sigh..ok lee i will watch your new redacted show

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I think we should just crop dust the DC beltway with psychedelics and then wait - watch and see how things would change with a little bit of mind-manifested time. That would loosen their neckties a bit.

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

Michael - reminds me of Carlin's suggestion that we put all the nutjobs on an island and give them whisky and PCP and let them kill each other
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:55 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Redacted tonight fucking rocks! In my opinion

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

El -- It was a play off that! You know me too well..

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:56 PM

If this fake ad we did on Redacted doesn't make you laugh, you're out of your mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U5ItYb9QcA
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

let's be the best non-gmo mosquitoes we can be then! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

that
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:56 PM

is a bumper sticker, rachel
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

and yes, if you don't laugh at that commercial, you have no central nervous system
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I was being a bit more progressive than Carlin, who is my favorite cynic and has a soft spot in my heart.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Barry Hamill

you guys type so fas t ..how many wpm can you put out ..i can do 30 wpm

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:57 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

how much were you dying to pull out the hill billy accent Lee? haha! loved that ad!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Re that ad: I want that guy as a bobble head..... Just sayin.

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

We gotta wrap up soon but everyone is free to keep talking. I want to let you know I have a PODCAST that's easy to download. A full hour of me and John F ODonnell AND the audio of Redacted Tonight every week.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

I effing love Redacted. Comedy with teeth?? yezz pleeaazzz

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

It's called "Moment of Clarity" and it's on iTunes and Stitcher
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

It's free, and you get more at LeeCamp.net
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:58 PM

★ Spotlighted from phil chipper

@Lee great "same enemy" vid well done. @El let me hide in your luggage when you go back to sweden

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

Thanks for the great tawk you two! :)

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

Come on over Phil - I've got schnapps in the fridge and swedish chocolate on the table :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Here's the link to EVERY episode of Redacted Tonight - http://bit.ly/RedactedTonight
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Kailyn Kyle

Thanks guys! Fight the power!

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Ben Risch

thx Lee and El

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

thanks everyone for joining us!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

Cheers for the awesome tawks guys! Cheese nibbles and whistle shots all round!

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 11:59 PM

and if you can, tune into indie 104 today to hear a song off our upcoming EP :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

Come back next Tuesday! And listen to Eleanor's fucking music!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from Michael Micklow

swedish chocolate? im totally crashing this party

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 11:59 PM

★ Spotlighted from kimba kradel

Oh, it's been an hour already!