Whats The Best Socio-Economic System

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Thanks for having one! I think this discourse is needed.”

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“yeah that went thru whilst everyone was worrying about mr christie”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Fast track was introduced by a DEMOCRAT!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“In the senate right?”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“The free market won't take our sustainability needs into account properly. we need a cooperative social system as opposed to a competitive system.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Capitalism and Socialism still operate on money and differential advantage. Its inherent.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Actual capitalism is based on a premise of reaching market equilibrium and driving out long term profit!!! This constant growth does NOT come from capitalism...”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That doesn't mean that barter is the only other option.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We should be building the sustainable infrastructure needed in order for us to SURVIVE.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Capitalism has become so bastardized, but it's actually intended to maximize the public good by improving quality and decreasing price.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That is right Eleanor, but any form of regulation at this point I feel would be futile. Money corrupts. Period.”

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Agreed. Corporations should be allowed to expire if their usefulness ended.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We saw how well that worked the first time.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“No I think change is necessary and inevitable.”

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“There should be no secret negations about economics. What is that about?”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Because the rules have been gutted. Actual capitalism is regulation heavy. Adam Smith himself said monopolies break the model.”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“The problem is corporatism. The solution is capitalism.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I should state that I am an advocate for resource based economic design. And if someone could tell me why that wouldn't work, Id love to hear it. So far I haven't heard any objections that have made sense, frankly.”

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Patents are only valid 17 years. How about after 17 years, ownership of corporation goes to government where it is resold to cover tax money that supported the creation of the corporation (grade schools, roads, defense, etc)”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Corporatism, like socialism, is a collectivist system which depends on force.”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Capitalism is a system based on freedom. I prefer freedom.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“**Twinkles** Lee.”

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“I think a resource based economy would be the best socio-economic system because. A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total populati”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Mark, freedom is such a misnomer. You aren't free from the laws of nature my friend.”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“The freedom you can buy out from under others is what it's based on.”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Scare tactic or Reality?”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Mark can you specifically describe the freedom you speak of?”

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I don't know how we will implement anything within that time frame (though I'd love to see it yesterday)”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“The point at this point is awareness, and preparing for the next mass mobilization. We need to be tactical, because if this escalates to violence we will never stand a chance.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Hello everyone, i was introduced to this conversation by a friend, but I'm familiar with Lee Camp, so I hope I wont seem like too much of a diptard.”

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“Personally, I think that all systems will fail as long as humans fail to realize that we need each other. We have to realize we need each other, then go from there.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Unfortunately, it seems our species has to reach indescribable levels of awful before we motivate...”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“I have an idea that may very well be a solution to the economic problem.”

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“it should be, why try fixing something proven to be broken, when theres better alternatives to start working on”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Mass recycling will need to be introduced, for all kinds of materials.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“No, Iceland hasn't.”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“TO what effect has it worked?”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Somebody said that a true free market doesn't require infinite growth.. what is it about the current market that necessitate continuous growth?”

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“What is so sad is that it would be so easy to fix many substantial problems in American society today if so many American people were not in a fear and reputation based paralysis.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That is a great point Lee. Toronto and Seattle to my understanding have TZM ideas in place.”

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“we have to exit the monetary system”

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Obviously coming into problems with violent state repression.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“in our current system wealth = power; we need to somehow change that dynamic, perhaps by exiting from the monetary system”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“what's wrong with collectivism, especially if it's voluntary? i don't see anything inherently wrong with collectivism.”

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“Eric, sometimes money means power. Sometimes power gets money. It all depends.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“if everyone switches to local currencies, trillions in the bank become useless”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Nothing is wrong with voluntary collectivism.”

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“I think that people need to realize that resistance is not what people think it is. The system is ready for protests. However, the true weakness of our system is that they need our money.”

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Mark Daniels, the venus project is voluntary, maybe you should look into it”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“but it could be spent on ending poverty for all, no?”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“useless to us.. i guess worse than useless”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“First n, the redefinition of the profit motive, from returns over expenditures toobservable human or ecological benefit, would ensure that the motive of society isredirected into the positive, instead of a malign tendency to largess, which has been u”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Or do I have to join society and play by the rules?”

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Jordan, if you follow laws, you are not free”

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“theres so many billionaires & millionaires who could do so much good for a hundred millions homeless, but they dont, & they hold all the resources in their iron grip, this is made possible by democracy & capitalism, these systems dont work very well”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Past societies used to wipe out debt all the time, why THE F*CK, can't we do that now? Because Goldman and JP own the Army, Navy, and NYPD.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I don't see any de-escalation from that reality unless you get people to understand the utter stupidity of money in the first place.”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“How many poor families does it take to make a billionaire? I also support a maximum wage in terms of immediate solutions..”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“What is the best socio-economic system? Maybe we have never heard of it yet. I believe however that I have developed an alternative/solution.”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“Anyone look into Permaculture? I think it may play a major role in sustainability.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Exactly, Eleanor, but you can plan for it!”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“you know the end of fight club was really sort of a jubilee... 1st rule of Tawk Club...”

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“money is what corrupts”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Money is the magic wand of manipulators and war mongers like the Rothschilds, we need to take that power out of their hands. The only way to do so is to make money irrelevant. We are the generation to do so-- I believe.”

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Lee At the very least, it looks less harmful to the planet. We'd have to be better about energy because we couldn't just go pay for more if we wanted to overuse.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Katie there have been free energy systems around since Tesla.”

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Our time and talents would have to be valued. Punching a time clock would have less importance. It'd be more about whether you could contribute something useful to your community.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Sam exactly! Many of our solutions lie in Tesla's suppressed technology!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Katie, there are time banks, they are catching on it popularity.”

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Cant ever have a world without money.... <facepalm> books were once write about how manned flying machines couldn't happen either”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“we have the technology and capability to feed, clothe, and house everyone.. LET PEOPLE FREELOAD”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“right now all the wrong people are freeloading- the rich don't have to do anything”

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“An enormous inheritance tax is the first step of fixing our economic system. We must convert all these straight pipes of waste into circulating systems. Right now wealth hoarders are clogging the pipes”

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Even art has more value in a system not based purely on money.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I wonder if Mark likes the corporate "freedom" to suppress superior technology.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Its complementary to a monetary exchange, a perfect transitional exchange system.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“hey sam, where is a working model of time banking set up already?”

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“you know,if we all turned to farming,and grew our own produce. wouldnt that be a kick in the balls for the fat cats in power?”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“They are already popping up. I know Madison has one, there is talk about one developing in St.Paul.”

★ Spotlighted from Jake Counts

“withdraw from the system and create truley free sociaties”

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“In big cities, does that just mean small bands of people getting together or neighborhoods helping each other out?”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Take it on.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“What ever is affecting YOU in YOUR neighborhood or city.”

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“you are right, lee. its a tiny clawing step forward while we're pushed back 10 feet..”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We cannot pander to them any longer, there simply is NO TIME.”

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“I have traveled all over this incredible planet we all share and I have never seen nothing quite like America and it really makes me angry that tacky, stupid, gangsters are still running the place.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Japan needs international assistance NOW.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“@Eleanor, when we no longer use currency and money as such, the power of the world order to rule us through the bondage of debt no longer exists.”

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“why the hell to we pay interest on monies we gave permission to print, get that house back into the fed at least we should not owe the fed or IMF anything”

★ Spotlighted from Jake Counts

“mediums of exchange on the local and personal cureencies much like the south before the british merchant ships began counterfiting off the coast”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“hey Lee, if we do have some money, where should we be investing it? Stock market? Real estate? Moment of Clarity?”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“What's the stock ticker, Lee? MOC?”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Reciprocism requires no money, no banks; the currency is collective human will to participate in society, and contribute to the ecology and human experience.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Individual projects, OCCUPY. Invest in OCCUPY.”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“Cooperation is always a better model then competition.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i was considering buying 500 copies of the The Lorax and handing them out to kids”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“What if we cap individual wealth at like, $100 million?”

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“I lived by an Amish community when I was young, they have a cooperative arrangement”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i think maybe we buy all the real estate we can afford, then exit from the monetary system?”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Christian, time to level the playing field. That also falls into the anarchist conversation.”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Wolf Pac is working on getting corporate money out of politics.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Making the money manipulators irrelevant should be the first priority, rather than utilizing the premises from centuries past.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“I've realized private property is a weird concept.. how can a corporation or person own a huge tract of land, when the aren't there and can't see it”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“But, if we get money out of politics, and keep money, then who will be in control of the money? People?”

★ Spotlighted from ddotto dot

“http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ is also working to get corporate influence out of politics”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“We are working on introducing a local currency inn Arkansas. It's called the ARBUCK”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Glass Steagal needs to be reinstated”

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“you never really own your land you rent it for taxes.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“they did call it- isn't that like the frontier? except they just drove off the natives”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Private property ought to be abolished too.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“"NORWAY!"”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I wouldn't last a day. The food is WEIRD.”

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“your right mark without privacy you cant rip off the american public.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“LMAO @Lee.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“There should be a flash mob that meets at the NY federal reserve, which is garbed in dress from the early ninteen hundreds to today, with pitch forks and torches, screaming "end the fed!"”

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i disagree, mark. private property is theft by force and nothing more.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Mark how was that ownership first established? Morally?”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Much more of a burner than a drinker Eleanor. But that is a separate conversation.”

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“@Lee I will take the bait. You must be a Kark Marx twitter”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Lol here comes the communist insults.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Like clockwork.”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“He does have a beard. The only true sign of a communist is wicked facial hair.”

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“No one would own it. but you could use it. why would you want to horde more land then you need, anyway?”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Shelby you can "own" your own residence, in that no one can enter or kick you out or make rules for you. But how do establish ownership of land? It belongs to the planet.”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“The way I see it, we're starting a game of monopoly, and someone already owns all the properties and has hotels on Park Place and Boardwalk and we're told we have a chance to win.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Making your own food is like printing your own money.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Well, we need to de-escalate tpp, continue organizing against tar sands/other dirty energy. That is a for sure.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Continue raising hell about Fukushima, but not the hysteria type hell.”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“@ Lee I agree, we have little time and little means, the best shot we have is the most radical.”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Mark, i don't see how you can disentangle the effects of the market from the state and see that the market would be beautiful without it.”

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“mark, before the gov got envolved 10 year olds had jobs. thats a "free market" trade or die. ooh so free”

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“***sy just what i thought ....dont let the tawk hit ya in the a%%.”

★ Spotlighted from ddotto dot

“and ALEC trying to charge for using solar panels!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Liquidate the Banks wealth.”

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“The best soulotion..is to pick the parts of each system proven to work and mold a new beast that is none and all of the afore mentioned....but first iceland...i need to slap somebody.”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Mark, the market creates elitist tendencies within people. Learn about Paul Piff and Kathleen Vohs work.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Why should a douchebag owner who does no work benefit from the work someone else does to the land?”

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“When the population is properly educated government becomes meaningless.”

★ Spotlighted from Trevor Rose

“The best system for socio economic interaction is one that is designed to remove the human centric bias, and arbitrary valuation system for a start ... but also which is not based on consumption & growth ...”

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Thanks, now I have to go read about iceland”

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i think socialize food, health care, education, transportation, energy, housing, communication- all basic needs- then capitalism for uhmm.. restaurants and massage parlors”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“The market has contempt for people born with disabilities and other shortcomings which they didn't choose to be born with. It's an elitist system. Which also relies on incentives fitting for prostitutes.”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I think you confused democracy and governance @trip. You need a properly educated populace for democratic organization and decision making. Something we currently DO NOT have.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Trip just go with it. You don't need to read every single comment...”

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“What we need is an evolution of consciousness.”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“yes, Lee.”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Sam you should host one, man!”

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Thanks for a great Tawk!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Jordan, I could seriously go on about this type of thing for hours. Maybe I should.”

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Thanks Eleanor & Lee. Keep up the great work!”

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey sam,i just wanna say i could listen to you talka about this stuff for hours. love it!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Everyone! Check out Lee's sh*t!”

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“And Eleanors!”