Lee Camp

Whats The Best Socio-Economic System

Jan 10, 2014

Eleanor Goldfield
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Jan 10, 2014

Capitalism? Socialism? Anarchy? Others? We welcome your thoughts on what the ideal socio-economic system would look like. We're not experts. We're just thinkers...

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

Hey everyone. Thanks for coming to the tawk!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

Hey Everyone! Welcome to the weekly Moment of Clarity TAWK. We're tackling a big subject this time - the best socio-economic system! Clearly the one we're stewing in has some problems...
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:00 AM

So it looks like the conversation has already started.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Thanks for having one! I think this discourse is needed.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Don't forget to "thumbs up" comments you like, as we go.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

First off, I'd like to point out that the fast track was proposed today
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

Yet another example of how this system is broken
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:01 AM

Yes, Trans-Pacific Partnership (NAFTA on steroids) was introduced in congress
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“We need to focus attention on the fact that we do not have a free market, capitalist system. We have corporatism.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

(The fast track, that is - which allows the President complete control in negotiations and an up-down vote by congress)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“yeah that went thru whilst everyone was worrying about mr christie”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

this is true.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Fast track was introduced by a DEMOCRAT!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“In the senate right?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:02 AM

is capitalism the way to go?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:02 AM

Yes, and good luck finding talk about this corporate coup on your mainstream media
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“The free market won't take our sustainability needs into account properly. we need a cooperative social system as opposed to a competitive system.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:03 AM

I'm going to go ahead and put it out there that I think a blend of capitalism and socialism would be the best system
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:03 AM

Folks should know that Eleanor has a distinct viewpoint b/c she grew up in North Carolina AND Sweden
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:04 AM

indeed, I did. And I feel that trying to do one system 100% leads to problems
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

Eleanor - how does that stop the fact that capitalism requires infinite growht on a planet with finite resources?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Capitalism and Socialism still operate on money and differential advantage. Its inherent.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

socialism will regulate and control capitalism.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

that's true sam. but being a realist, i unfortunately don't think that we can shoot for a barter system at this point.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:05 AM

perhaps further in our evolution but right now, we can take steps to make this country a socialist/capitalist blend
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

Does it stem the infinite growth? And does it create a sustainable model overall? -- I'm asking genuinely, in your view
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:05 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Actual capitalism is based on a premise of reaching market equilibrium and driving out long term profit!!! This constant growth does NOT come from capitalism...”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That doesn't mean that barter is the only other option.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

true, sam. i was just using it as an example
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

Jordan, what stops a corporation from going for short-term profits and giving a shit about whether animals go extinct or our water becomes flammable?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:06 AM

and yes to jordan as well
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We should be building the sustainable infrastructure needed in order for us to SURVIVE.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

that's regulations, lee
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

corporations were originally placed on a charter system
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

to do social works.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

Yes! I'm a huge fan of bringing back the charter!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Capitalism has become so bastardized, but it's actually intended to maximize the public good by improving quality and decreasing price.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“I think capitalism has benefits, but it also has tons of problems. it is an inherently fractured and compartmentalized system. Company A is working on things that Company B has ALREADY SOLVED. and vice versa. We need a cooperative, holistic system”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

So Jordan, why don't we see that?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That is right Eleanor, but any form of regulation at this point I feel would be futile. Money corrupts. Period.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

a system of checks and balances that allows for the competitive nature of capitalism
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

well sam, i disagree. that's like saying change is futile
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

And won't large money interests always eventually use the government to their means?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Agreed. Corporations should be allowed to expire if their usefulness ended.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We saw how well that worked the first time.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

it actually did work the first time
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“No I think change is necessary and inevitable.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:08 AM

it wasn't sustained
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“There should be no secret negations about economics. What is that about?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Because the rules have been gutted. Actual capitalism is regulation heavy. Adam Smith himself said monopolies break the model.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

exactly, jordan
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

regulations have to be put in place from a socialist perspective - to help the people.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

Aren't regulations designed to tame the beast that is capitalism?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:09 AM

governments are there to help people
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“The problem is corporatism. The solution is capitalism.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I should state that I am an advocate for resource based economic design. And if someone could tell me why that wouldn't work, Id love to hear it. So far I haven't heard any objections that have made sense, frankly.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Patents are only valid 17 years. How about after 17 years, ownership of corporation goes to government where it is resold to cover tax money that supported the creation of the corporation (grade schools, roads, defense, etc)”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Corporatism, like socialism, is a collectivist system which depends on force.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:10 AM

Mark - This idea of "force" is used as a scare tactic in these kinds of debates. Societal force is very strong - and it doesn't depend on a gun to someone's head.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

People who are very poor fell "forced" to do things.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

a very good point, lee.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Capitalism is a system based on freedom. I prefer freedom.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

Mark - You sound to me like you're just pitching Fox News lines now.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“**Twinkles** Lee.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:11 AM

This is a quote from Dylan Ratigan's book, Greedy Bastards: “Wealth in a capitalist country is supposed to be invested, making new ventures possible, turning our ingenuity into new industries, creating jobs, and helping the economy grow.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“I think a resource based economy would be the best socio-economic system because. A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total populati”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Mark, freedom is such a misnomer. You aren't free from the laws of nature my friend.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“The freedom you can buy out from under others is what it's based on.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

I think that concept of capitalism is a good one. But it must be kept in check.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

A resource based economy is not a bad idea
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:12 AM

But what can we implement now, in 5 years, in 10 years?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Scare tactic or Reality?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Mark can you specifically describe the freedom you speak of?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Economic systems all need balances. Enacting one and trhowing all others out always has problems but it seems the more hybridized is always better. Denmark, Norway, and Sweden have a mix of socialism and capitalism. I really enjoyed my time there”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

I think Mark is just reciting the national anthem now.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

did that banner yet waaaaave....
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I don't know how we will implement anything within that time frame (though I'd love to see it yesterday)”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:14 AM

That's where the force thing comes into play again
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“The point at this point is awareness, and preparing for the next mass mobilization. We need to be tactical, because if this escalates to violence we will never stand a chance.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

I think a resource based economy is a great idea, but I also think we need to fight for fixing the system we have. But maybe that's a fool's errand.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Hello everyone, i was introduced to this conversation by a friend, but I'm familiar with Lee Camp, so I hope I wont seem like too much of a diptard.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

You get points for the term "diptard
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“Personally, I think that all systems will fail as long as humans fail to realize that we need each other. We have to realize we need each other, then go from there.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:15 AM

I don't think it's a fool's errand
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:15 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Unfortunately, it seems our species has to reach indescribable levels of awful before we motivate...”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“I have an idea that may very well be a solution to the economic problem.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

Do tell, Eleanor! (Although I agree with you)
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

I think it's more foolish to pretend that creating a system from scratch is a viable option right now
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“it should be, why try fixing something proven to be broken, when theres better alternatives to start working on”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:16 AM

This country can work. It has worked. We just have to shift
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“Well Iceland created a new system from scratch....”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:17 AM

They didn't actually. They just went after the people who needed to be punished
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

Here's an idea - what about different areas of the country and the world trying different systems - even within countries? It feels like America is becoming very different area-by-area and countries are mattering less and less.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Mass recycling will need to be introduced, for all kinds of materials.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“No, Iceland hasn't.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“TO what effect has it worked?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Somebody said that a true free market doesn't require infinite growth.. what is it about the current market that necessitate continuous growth?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from ddotto dot

“well eleanor, if we are to work with our existing "representative" govt, we have to get big money out of politics. publically funded elections. corporations un-"people'-ified.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

absolutely agree with that dot!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“What is so sad is that it would be so easy to fix many substantial problems in American society today if so many American people were not in a fear and reputation based paralysis.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:18 AM

and there are movements working towards that
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“That is a great point Lee. Toronto and Seattle to my understanding have TZM ideas in place.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

@Sam - Do they?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“we have to exit the monetary system”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Shit, repeal Nafta, the media telecommunications act, bush Tax cuts and reinstate Glass Steagal and we're 33% of the way there...”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:19 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“can i ask HOW you will get people to do any of this? its all wll and good saying we'll do this or that,but people just wont wanna change from what they have now to something unfamiliar. no matter how good it might be in the long run”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

I sure hope Mark is a troll laughing hysterically. That's the only explanation. That or a carbon monoxide leak.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Obviously coming into problems with violent state repression.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Rather than trying to fix the already fucked system, why not take all of our money out of it and start a economic evolution revolution? None of it is based on actual material wealth anyway..”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

And now, Jordan, We have to fight TPP. Not just NAFTA.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“in our current system wealth = power; we need to somehow change that dynamic, perhaps by exiting from the monetary system”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:20 AM

mattrick - that is a way of reforming the system tho.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:20 AM

Eric - There's a word for rule by the wealthy - Plutocracy.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

So technically we live in a Plutocracy.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“what's wrong with collectivism, especially if it's voluntary? i don't see anything inherently wrong with collectivism.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“Eric, sometimes money means power. Sometimes power gets money. It all depends.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“if everyone switches to local currencies, trillions in the bank become useless”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

Eric - Trillions in the bank are already useless.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

They sit there never being used for anything.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

There are something like $30 Trillion in offshore tax havens, not even available for use.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Nothing is wrong with voluntary collectivism.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“It follows concurrently that banking, debt, and the institutions of financial control,which have lorded over the earth with absolute authority for centuries, would have no place in the future under reciprocism.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“I think that people need to realize that resistance is not what people think it is. The system is ready for protests. However, the true weakness of our system is that they need our money.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Mark Daniels, the venus project is voluntary, maybe you should look into it”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“but it could be spent on ending poverty for all, no?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“useless to us.. i guess worse than useless”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“First n, the redefinition of the profit motive, from returns over expenditures toobservable human or ecological benefit, would ensure that the motive of society isredirected into the positive, instead of a malign tendency to largess, which has been u”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

The profit motive will always result in destruction of our environment and our planet
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

Like with the charters - you have to be doing something worthwhile for the people, ie socialism
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

Our system of corporatism puts a price on everything - humans, animals, land, air...
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Yes, Jordan. Full free. Except for my uterus. That's highly available for regulation.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Or do I have to join society and play by the rules?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Jordan, if you follow laws, you are not free”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“theres so many billionaires & millionaires who could do so much good for a hundred millions homeless, but they dont, & they hold all the resources in their iron grip, this is made possible by democracy & capitalism, these systems dont work very well”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

To Tommy's point there is $50 trillion in US millionaire households
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

It would take only a few hundred billion dollars to end world hunger
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:24 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Past societies used to wipe out debt all the time, why THE F*CK, can't we do that now? Because Goldman and JP own the Army, Navy, and NYPD.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

tommy, that is a problem with the current system, not inherently in a democracy or capitalist ideology
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I don't see any de-escalation from that reality unless you get people to understand the utter stupidity of money in the first place.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“How many poor families does it take to make a billionaire? I also support a maximum wage in terms of immediate solutions..”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“What is the best socio-economic system? Maybe we have never heard of it yet. I believe however that I have developed an alternative/solution.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

debt forgiveness is huge
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

going back to iceland, that's what they did
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:25 AM

Mattrick has a point. We have basically stopped trying to come up with alternatives after devising 5.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Debt Jubilee! Strike that damn debt.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:25 AM

★ Spotlighted from Tommy Marino

“what can we all do about it to fix it? we should all here talk about a way we can fix this system, if it can in fact be fixed”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

well tommy, it starts with these conversations
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

action stems from ideas
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Ultimately, humanity is corrupt, and every system will become corrupt. The ONLY solution is to account for corruption and set up regulations and checks and balances to keep it in check.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

exactly jordan!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

you can't expel greed from the human species
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

but you can make sure that that greed doesn't govern
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

And that's why our system was SUPPOSED to have so many checks and balances
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

but now the rich have gamed them all
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from John Munro

“I agree with Jordan. Who will watch the watchmen?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“Anyone look into Permaculture? I think it may play a major role in sustainability.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:26 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Exactly, Eleanor, but you can plan for it!”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

the watchmen have to be accountable to the people
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

just like politicians once were
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“you know the end of fight club was really sort of a jubilee... 1st rule of Tawk Club...”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Dennis Owen

“money is what corrupts”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Money is the magic wand of manipulators and war mongers like the Rothschilds, we need to take that power out of their hands. The only way to do so is to make money irrelevant. We are the generation to do so-- I believe.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Matt Tennyson

“Humanity is not inherently corrupt. We are not born evil. The evil we do is learned through our environmental influence.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:27 AM

So what does a world without money look like?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

I mean we are taught every day of our lives to seek profit. Imagine what the world could look like if we were taught every day to help others and not seek profit?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:28 AM

humanity isn't all kumba-ya and sunflowers. there will always be greed. it's how it exists in society and what we, as societies decide to do with it
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:28 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“@Lee At the very least, it looks less harmful to the planet. We'd have to be better about energy because we couldn't just go pay for more if we wanted to overuse.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

The amount of money needed to convert the entire world to sustainable energy is nothing compared to the amount of money held in the bank accounts of the rich. - or hell even the amount we spend on military each year.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Katie there have been free energy systems around since Tesla.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:29 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Our time and talents would have to be valued. Punching a time clock would have less importance. It'd be more about whether you could contribute something useful to your community.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:29 AM

exactly. and that's why the argument against socialism is bull - that everyone would be free loading
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

humans want to work - we want to create and do things.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Sam exactly! Many of our solutions lie in Tesla's suppressed technology!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Katie, there are time banks, they are catching on it popularity.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

Sam, what's a time bank?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from karma tinfoil

“Cant ever have a world without money.... <facepalm> books were once write about how manned flying machines couldn't happen either”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“"Iceland" should be a more frequent meme in the mainstream America media.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“we have the technology and capability to feed, clothe, and house everyone.. LET PEOPLE FREELOAD”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

indeed, it should be. it is possible to shift the system
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“right now all the wrong people are freeloading- the rich don't have to do anything”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“An enormous inheritance tax is the first step of fixing our economic system. We must convert all these straight pipes of waste into circulating systems. Right now wealth hoarders are clogging the pipes”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Even art has more value in a system not based purely on money.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“From wiki: Time banking is a pattern of reciprocal service exchange that uses units of time as currency”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:31 AM

Yes, thanks to technology we MUST move towards a system that does not require as much "work" to make ends meet for your average person. There will not be enough jobs!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

But instead the time and energy saved by technology is ALL given to the top 1%
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“I wonder if Mark likes the corporate "freedom" to suppress superior technology.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Its complementary to a monetary exchange, a perfect transitional exchange system.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“So do we just start trying to create pockets of non-monetary communities?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:32 AM

start local, start small
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:32 AM

I'll strip for time. How about you?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

Mark, the Hannity show is on! Don't miss it!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“hey sam, where is a working model of time banking set up already?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“you know,if we all turned to farming,and grew our own produce. wouldnt that be a kick in the balls for the fat cats in power?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“They are already popping up. I know Madison has one, there is talk about one developing in St.Paul.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:33 AM

local is key. Many places are always creating local dollars that don't go through the Fed.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:34 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jake Counts

“withdraw from the system and create truley free sociaties”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Decentralized currencies and State Banks (Bank of North Dakota) are great ways to improve the economy.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

We have such immense corporate control that I don't know if small "corrections" to our capitalist system can work in time.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“But it doesn't start and end with money, we already mentioned permaculture, that is popping up every where too.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:35 AM

I agree with that Lee.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“In big cities, does that just mean small bands of people getting together or neighborhoods helping each other out?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:36 AM

There need to be sweeping changes that come from government, which will happen through public demand
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Take it on.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“What ever is affecting YOU in YOUR neighborhood or city.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“you are right, lee. its a tiny clawing step forward while we're pushed back 10 feet..”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

So we need to demand!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:36 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“We cannot pander to them any longer, there simply is NO TIME.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Johnathonfall thethird

“I have traveled all over this incredible planet we all share and I have never seen nothing quite like America and it really makes me angry that tacky, stupid, gangsters are still running the place.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Japan needs international assistance NOW.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

we need assistance
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

Eleanor - Can you tell us about Sweden? Do you like it more or less than the US system?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:37 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“@Eleanor, when we no longer use currency and money as such, the power of the world order to rule us through the bondage of debt no longer exists.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:37 AM

I like it more. but again, it has issues as well
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

What are the issues
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“why the hell to we pay interest on monies we gave permission to print, get that house back into the fed at least we should not owe the fed or IMF anything”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

it needs to be regulated through competitive economics
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:38 AM

sweden has a lot of monopolies for example.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jake Counts

“mediums of exchange on the local and personal cureencies much like the south before the british merchant ships began counterfiting off the coast”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:38 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“hey Lee, if we do have some money, where should we be investing it? Stock market? Real estate? Moment of Clarity?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

Ha! Eric - Definitely invest in Moment of Clarity
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Which starts and ends with money, I would argue, Eleanor.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:39 AM

well yes, sam
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

No, I don't know where to invest. Sustainable energy I guess.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“What's the stock ticker, Lee? MOC?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Reciprocism requires no money, no banks; the currency is collective human will to participate in society, and contribute to the ecology and human experience.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:39 AM

Yeah Jordan - the IPO was HUGE
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

but if you introduced more competition into the system, it would boost the society in a non-monetary way as well, as in standards of living
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Katie Klabusich

“Do state-owned utilities do anything to help the problem? They're natural monopolies -- phone/internet/electric lines. HIghly regulated they become cheaper and can be essentially owned by all the tax payers.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

those are good, i feel. this was actually jordan's point - to make everything we need such as food, shelter socialist and anything we want like toys and jewelry capitalist
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

Eleanor, in Sweden are there any incredibly rich people or everybody just kinda middle class? Are there many poor? Maybe everybody in the middle is good?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

those being state-owned utilities
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Individual projects, OCCUPY. Invest in OCCUPY.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“Cooperation is always a better model then competition.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:41 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i was considering buying 500 copies of the The Lorax and handing them out to kids”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

there are very few homeless
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:41 AM

there are very rich people but they also pay upwards of 80% of their income in taxes
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“I think industry and the state are in bed together. Power will always lead to corruption and theft, especially when money is required to obtain a high quality of life, rather than just making enriching services and activities freely available to ppl.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

But maybe that's the best way for the collective good?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“What if we cap individual wealth at like, $100 million?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:42 AM

power that rests in the hands of the people will not always lead to corruption.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

Jordan - What if we cap it at 70% douche?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“I lived by an Amish community when I was young, they have a cooperative arrangement”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i think maybe we buy all the real estate we can afford, then exit from the monetary system?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“@Christian, time to level the playing field. That also falls into the anarchist conversation.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“Wolf Pac is working on getting corporate money out of politics.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

when people decide what they need and get people in office to reflect those needs, the revolving door will keep the people's needs front and center
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

that's the whole idea behind a democracy in the first place
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

move to amend is also working to get money out of politics
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:43 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Making the money manipulators irrelevant should be the first priority, rather than utilizing the premises from centuries past.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

yes lee
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:43 AM

and Money out, voters in is another one
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

The question is whether the oligarchs would ever let something like Move To Amend succeed
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

They certainly don't allow third parties to enter the political sphere
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“I've realized private property is a weird concept.. how can a corporation or person own a huge tract of land, when the aren't there and can't see it”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“But, if we get money out of politics, and keep money, then who will be in control of the money? People?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from ddotto dot

“http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ is also working to get corporate influence out of politics”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

Yeah Eric, it does seem odd that people can OWN land. I mean shouldn't the earth belong to everyone and everything?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“We are working on introducing a local currency inn Arkansas. It's called the ARBUCK”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Glass Steagal needs to be reinstated”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Eric Try to imagine the very first owner of any piece of land. Do you they they called it? Like "Shotgun!"”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“When money is the lubricant for politicians to enter the houses of power, and when the houses of power are themselves flooded with lobbyists for the money trust, we must begin to speculate as to whether we can fight this with conventional weapons.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:45 AM

conventional weapons meaning...?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

Ha! Yeah Jordan, they totally just went "Mine!"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

Just like the Oklahoma Sooners - they just ran out there and go "I got this hill!"
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“you never really own your land you rent it for taxes.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“they did call it- isn't that like the frontier? except they just drove off the natives”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Private property ought to be abolished too.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:46 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“"NORWAY!"”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:47 AM

haha - let's all move to norway
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

Mark is apparently the Ayn Rand twitter account
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:47 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I wouldn't last a day. The food is WEIRD.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:48 AM

ha! that's why you have vodka, sam
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“your right mark without privacy you cant rip off the american public.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“LMAO @Lee.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“There should be a flash mob that meets at the NY federal reserve, which is garbed in dress from the early ninteen hundreds to today, with pitch forks and torches, screaming "end the fed!"”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“i disagree, mark. private property is theft by force and nothing more.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:48 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Mark how was that ownership first established? Morally?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

Mark is a free-market-bot, he doesn't answer questions.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Much more of a burner than a drinker Eleanor. But that is a separate conversation.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:49 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mark Daniels

“@Lee I will take the bait. You must be a Kark Marx twitter”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:49 AM

ha, sam-try smoking and watching the northern lights
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Actually I'm asking questions and involved in a discussion. You're spouting phrases that you read on Paul Ryan's Facebook.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Lol here comes the communist insults.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Like clockwork.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“He does have a beard. The only true sign of a communist is wicked facial hair.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“No one would own it. but you could use it. why would you want to horde more land then you need, anyway?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Why are you talking about me in the third person. I'm right here!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:50 AM

Sheesh.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

10 mins left, folks, what socio-economic systems have we not discussed?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Shelby you can "own" your own residence, in that no one can enter or kick you out or make rules for you. But how do establish ownership of land? It belongs to the planet.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“The way I see it, we're starting a game of monopoly, and someone already owns all the properties and has hotels on Park Place and Boardwalk and we're told we have a chance to win.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:51 AM

agree, jordan!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“Making your own food is like printing your own money.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

Wait until they charge to make your own food - Monsanto is trying.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Well, we need to de-escalate tpp, continue organizing against tar sands/other dirty energy. That is a for sure.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:52 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Continue raising hell about Fukushima, but not the hysteria type hell.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“@ Lee I agree, we have little time and little means, the best shot we have is the most radical.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

the roadblocks to clean energ
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

energy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Mark, i don't see how you can disentangle the effects of the market from the state and see that the market would be beautiful without it.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“mark, before the gov got envolved 10 year olds had jobs. thats a "free market" trade or die. ooh so free”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“***sy just what i thought ....dont let the tawk hit ya in the a%%.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:53 AM

fukushima, TPP, all of that stems from the same plutocratic corporatocracy we have right now
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

Sophia - has it right. Without gov't there is no regulation.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:53 AM

Our problems now are due to the wealthy controlling the govt
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from ddotto dot

“and ALEC trying to charge for using solar panels!”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:54 AM

governments are necessary for organized society.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Liquidate the Banks wealth.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

And when people say 'get rid of the govt' they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Govt can do good or harm.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Daniel Jackson

“The best soulotion..is to pick the parts of each system proven to work and mold a new beast that is none and all of the afore mentioned....but first iceland...i need to slap somebody.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Mark, the market creates elitist tendencies within people. Learn about Paul Piff and Kathleen Vohs work.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

exactly. and it's our job to make sure it's good, not harm
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Why should a douchebag owner who does no work benefit from the work someone else does to the land?”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“shelby, you may want to read up on the Venus Project for answers to a lot of your questions. its very hard to get all the info in here..”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trip Hilikus

“When the population is properly educated government becomes meaningless.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:55 AM

disagree trip
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

@Trip - how do you figure?
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:55 AM

★ Spotlighted from Trevor Rose

“The best system for socio economic interaction is one that is designed to remove the human centric bias, and arbitrary valuation system for a start ... but also which is not based on consumption & growth ...”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mitchell Heldt

“Thanks, now I have to go read about iceland”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

an educated populace is what you NEED for a good gov't, not the lack thereof
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Eric Rheinheimer

“i think socialize food, health care, education, transportation, energy, housing, communication- all basic needs- then capitalism for uhmm.. restaurants and massage parlors”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

yes, iceland is rad!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

Eric - what are you doing at the massage parlors?
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

smells like rotten eggs over there (sulfur) but they're rad!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sophia Belita

“how do you organize the education?”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

Eric - So you're saying capitalism is there for the happy ending.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“The market has contempt for people born with disabilities and other shortcomings which they didn't choose to be born with. It's an elitist system. Which also relies on incentives fitting for prostitutes.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:56 AM

sophia, that's reform that comes from a socialist-minded standpoint.
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:57 AM

educating the people to be productive and well balanced parts of a collective society
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

Also we inherently know not to use "the market" for things we care about - like our parents. You don't help your elderly parents and then go "Give me $20." You do it without the market becuase you care about it more than the market does.
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“I think you confused democracy and governance @trip. You need a properly educated populace for democratic organization and decision making. Something we currently DO NOT have.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Trip just go with it. You don't need to read every single comment...”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i think when you make over a million dollars/pounds - you have to give half of it back. where it goes to the needy - like students,the homeless,etc.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:58 AM

taxes, basically, lucy :)
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Mattrick Holbert

“What we need is an evolution of consciousness.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“yes, Lee.”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:58 AM

In a minute, we're wrapping this one up. Please check out Eleanor's band - Rooftop Revolutionaries. They're fucking great!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“@Sam you should host one, man!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

And my stuff is at LeeCamp.net and YouTube.com/MomentofClarityShow
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

:) and lee's comedy
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

Also @LeeCamp on Twitter
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

rooftoprevolutionaries.com
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jordan Birnbaum

“Thanks for a great Tawk!”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

@rooftoprev @rooftopeleanor
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Jordan, I could seriously go on about this type of thing for hours. Maybe I should.”

Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

Thanks everyone for participating!
Eleanor Goldfield

Eleanor Goldfield · 12:59 AM

sam, you should! start a tawk
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 12:59 AM

You guys are welcome to keep tawking even after we're gone. Complete the discussion!
Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Christian Gallego

“Thanks Eleanor & Lee. Keep up the great work!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“hey sam,i just wanna say i could listen to you talka about this stuff for hours. love it!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“Everyone! Check out Lee's sh*t!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Sam Wagner

“And Eleanors!”

Lee Camp

Lee Camp · 1:00 AM

Thanks again everyone! Keep fighting for change!