Kelly Carlin

Host

You are Nature's Dream Machine!

Dec 10, 2013·140 visitors

howard bloom

Cohost

Stage· 539 messages

Dec 10, 2013

How could this mess called humanity actually be the very thing the Universe created to dream itself into a new existence? nnThat and other profound mind blowing thoughts brought to you by Kelly and Howard.

Kelly Carlin · 2:00 AM

Hello Tawkers! I hope you are warm and cozy on this Winter's evening.

Kelly Carlin · 2:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“This is my favorite Tawk title so far!”

Kelly Carlin · 2:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“Doing our best!”

Kelly Carlin · 2:01 AM

You can't ask for more than that!

Kelly Carlin · 2:01 AM

I can see that Howard isn't quite here yet.

Kelly Carlin · 2:01 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“ooo hello you two!!”

Kelly Carlin · 2:02 AM

Hey Lucy! Always glad to have you here.

Kelly Carlin · 2:03 AM

I wanted to continue the conversation Howard and I were having about the 60s…one of the last things we talked about in our last Tawk, was how we are nature's dream machine.

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

hi. :)

Kelly Carlin · 2:05 AM

Howard is here!

Kelly Carlin · 2:05 AM

There you are darling.

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

my lord, i am a cyberklutz :)

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

LOL

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

Kelly Carlin · 2:05 AM

lol Nah. It can be a bit confusing.

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

what has the talking been on so for?

Kelly Carlin · 2:05 AM

I was just saying that at the end of our last talk

howard bloom · 2:05 AM

far?

Kelly Carlin · 2:06 AM

we were talking about how we are nature's dream machine….

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

ahhh

Kelly Carlin · 2:06 AM

I just love that notion.

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

and i've been thinking of how

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

bringing back some of the spirit of the sixties

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

relates to that!

Kelly Carlin · 2:06 AM

Yes!

Kelly Carlin · 2:06 AM

Excellent.

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

we live in an age that has imprisoned us

howard bloom · 2:06 AM

in a new victorianism

Kelly Carlin · 2:06 AM

interesting.

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

the victorianism of the 1950s repressed sex

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

the new victorianism represses hope

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

destroys dreams

Kelly Carlin · 2:07 AM

Oh, how I love you.

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

it's eco-extremismi

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

the shirnking planet

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

the end of resources

howard bloom · 2:07 AM

the dystopias of movies like gravity, ender's game, and elysium

howard bloom · 2:08 AM

for 50 years science fiction has gone from light to darkness

howard bloom · 2:08 AM

and confined us in a perceptual prison

howard bloom · 2:08 AM

convincing us that boundaries surround and we can't escape them

howard bloom · 2:08 AM

convincing them that we are a sinful civilization and deserve to die

Kelly Carlin · 2:08 AM

And yet, the 60s was what taught us about how to take care of our finite resources…

howard bloom · 2:09 AM

convincing us that our civilization is, in fact, dying

Kelly Carlin · 2:09 AM

Remember the movie Silent Running?

howard bloom · 2:09 AM

it's ironic because in the 60s one key resource seemed endless, kelly

howard bloom · 2:09 AM

our dreamspace

howard bloom · 2:09 AM

our vast new frontiers

Kelly Carlin · 2:09 AM

Yes. so true.

howard bloom · 2:09 AM

our ability to make new frontiers with the gift of new technologies

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

and with a spirit of adventure

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

yes the new victiorianism

Kelly Carlin · 2:10 AM

JFK and the Moon landing.

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

enviro-nihilism was born in the 60s too

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

actually, kelly, it was born in the savage and repressive 50s

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

yes the spirit of reaching for something not because it is easy

howard bloom · 2:10 AM

but because it is hard

howard bloom · 2:11 AM

is the very core of the sixties we need to revive

howard bloom · 2:11 AM

and the kennedyesque sense that we not only have new frontiers to explore

howard bloom · 2:11 AM

but something beyond kennedy

howard bloom · 2:11 AM

the realization that we MAKE new frontiers

howard bloom · 2:11 AM

the way we once made fiction in 1710

howard bloom · 2:12 AM

the way me made the internet in the 1970s

howard bloom · 2:12 AM

and expanded it into a new frontier of real estagte

howard bloom · 2:12 AM

cyberspace

Kelly Carlin · 2:12 AM

What do you think created this despair and limited thinking?

howard bloom · 2:12 AM

it's hard to say

Kelly Carlin · 2:12 AM

Is it education? media? or that we are less "religious" and more material?

howard bloom · 2:12 AM

in the 1950s i was voted the head of the programming committee for my high school

Kelly Carlin · 2:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gary Shapiro

“Most science geeks argue that Sci-Fi has expanded humanity (e.g. the benevolent equality of the Roddenberry future)... please explain how you see it as limiting and dark.”

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

i was in charge of and mc'd five school assemblies per week

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

i agree, gary

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

sci fi expanded humanity until the 1960s

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

when it become dystopic

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

and dystopian sci fi rules in our movies today

howard bloom · 2:13 AM

our movies and our fiction map our dreamscape

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

that's the great advantage of sci fi

Kelly Carlin · 2:14 AM

Maybe the dystopia is our way of trying to balance a feared arrogance we have about "playing God."

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

but when all the dreams are nightmares and they tell us that our basic tool

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

cvilization is evil

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

we can destroy a future instead of build it

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

balance, that's the key word, kelly

howard bloom · 2:14 AM

you need a balance of gloom and optimism

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

let one get out of control and take ovver

Kelly Carlin · 2:15 AM

And things feel imbalanced.

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

and you are in trouble

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

they are vastly imbalanced toward gloom

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

there is no exuberance on the left and none on the right

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

it's time for a new invasion

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

of bohemians

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

like us in the sixties

howard bloom · 2:15 AM

in How I Accidentally Started the Sixties

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

can i go back to your question about where this pinched philosophy came from?

Kelly Carlin · 2:16 AM

But, I have to tell you that it feels irresponsible to dream…I am a Gen-Xer after all.

Kelly Carlin · 2:16 AM

Yes, of course.

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

i first ran across it in 1959 or 1960

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

amazing, kelly

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

irresponsible to dream

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

there are dreamers out there

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

and they are the very people we championed in the sixties

howard bloom · 2:16 AM

youth

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

but they are in technology

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

snapchat's founders

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

amazon's founder

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

google's founders

Kelly Carlin · 2:17 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“I think it's irresponsible NOT to dream!”

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

facebook

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

all the founders were kids

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

i agree with jennifer

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

totaly

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

it is irresponsible to kill dreams

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

it is a mass murder of a future

howard bloom · 2:17 AM

our future

Kelly Carlin · 2:17 AM

I drank my father's kool-aid a bit too much. ;-)

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

but all the techno founders are kids

Kelly Carlin · 2:18 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gary Shapiro

“People feel smart when they focus on the doom/gloom... I agree it's time for our literary pendulum to swing back. Hope takes more courage than despair.”

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

21 years old in the case of snapchat when they started their business

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

you are smack dab on target, gary

Kelly Carlin · 2:18 AM

So, the youth are dreaming! This is good.

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

gloom makes people feel smart

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

yes, the kids of stanford and more

howard bloom · 2:18 AM

they are not just dreaming

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

they are achieving

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

there is a new toy

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

it's fabulous

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

it's called power up

Kelly Carlin · 2:19 AM

Power up.

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

you make a paper airplane out of a standard 8.5 x 11

howard bloom · 2:19 AM

sheet of paper

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

you attach a device with an electrically powered propellor

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

you launch the plane and, get this

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

you control it with you smart phone

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

amazing

Kelly Carlin · 2:20 AM

wow

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

the project has raised $500 million on kickstarter

Kelly Carlin · 2:20 AM

WOW

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

to complete the module that allows control via your smart phone

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

here's the deal

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

this toy has two vital elements

howard bloom · 2:20 AM

flight and control

Kelly Carlin · 2:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gary Shapiro

“Now we just have to teach all the millenial kids what "paper" is.”

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

you ability to control it with your smart phone

Kelly Carlin · 2:21 AM

lol Gary.

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

these are two elements vital to your mind

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

to your biology

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

and to society

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

yes, i hate paper

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

but i'd use it for a plane :)

howard bloom · 2:21 AM

it's hard to type out the stories of why control is so vital

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

it's in my book the lucifer principle

Kelly Carlin · 2:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“"irony = drawing a tree on a sheet of paper"”

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

and the spirit of adventure and dream, along with a lot of humor, is in How I Accidentally Started the Sixties

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

LOL

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

amazing, chop one tree down

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

make another :)

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

good point, lucy

howard bloom · 2:22 AM

but a sense of control perks up your mind and your immune system

Kelly Carlin · 2:23 AM

So Howard…what is the most courageous thing we can do as ordinary citizens in this time of dystopic despair?

howard bloom · 2:23 AM

and flight is the very essence of the sort of dream that has been peeled away from us and made verboten

howard bloom · 2:23 AM

do what the guys at snap chat did

howard bloom · 2:23 AM

love your fellow humans enough to put yourself in their shoes

Kelly Carlin · 2:23 AM

nice

howard bloom · 2:23 AM

which means exploring yourself

howard bloom · 2:23 AM

find something you would desperately want and need

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

then make it

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

and try to get others to buy it

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

or to adopt it

Kelly Carlin · 2:24 AM

So ask the question? What is needed now?

Kelly Carlin · 2:24 AM

yes.

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

you and gary do that, kelly

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

you are comic writers

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

that's such a vital soul and fantasy feeder

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

comedy

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

in fact How I Accidentally Started the Sixties, my new book

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

is totally overwhelmingly comedic

howard bloom · 2:24 AM

so all the thought food in there

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

and there is a ton of it

Kelly Carlin · 2:25 AM

Yes, I'm always trying to figure out what is it that I'm struggling with right now…and I always trust most everyone else is struggling with it too.

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

comes in comedy-coating

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

that's great

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

when you look outside yourself

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

you do it with the mirror of what's inside of you

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

when you explore deep inside yourself

howard bloom · 2:25 AM

you find what others are hiding or unable to articulate, too

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

so comedy is a lifter

Kelly Carlin · 2:26 AM

You know…dreaming is the only thing that gets one out of bed everyday.

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

paper airplanes are lifters

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

comedy is also a warner

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

yes, having a goal for the day is essential

Kelly Carlin · 2:26 AM

If we aren't dreaming about breakfast, than we'd never get out of bed.

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

or you can't get the motivation to put on your socks

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

and having a long term goal

Kelly Carlin · 2:26 AM

And the future pulls us forward.

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

that you know others will need

howard bloom · 2:26 AM

and you have meaning in your life overall

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

a goal for the day and a goal for your life

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

those are essentials

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

and a sense that you are working on behalf of somethinb bigger than yourself

Kelly Carlin · 2:27 AM

It's like you said, we are part of nature…and so even some unknown vague feeling about what the future needs pulls us forward.

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

but strangely, the soul of that larger something

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

is deep inside of you

Kelly Carlin · 2:27 AM

Yes!

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

nature

Kelly Carlin · 2:27 AM

So we are ALL.

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

s not what we thing, kelly

howard bloom · 2:27 AM

not at all

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

we thing nature is some sort of park that needs permanent preservation in just one form

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

but nature's backbone is change

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

and self reinvention

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

self-updgrade

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

i could tell you the story of the cosmos' evolution

Kelly Carlin · 2:28 AM

Nature is not a thing, but a process. And we are in perpetual process.

howard bloom · 2:28 AM

from the big bang 13.77 billion years ago

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

and you'd see a cosmos perpetually overturing and radically reinventing

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

itself

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

hersel

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

his self

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

upheaval beyond belief is mother nature's way

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

and we are creatures capable of something new

howard bloom · 2:29 AM

using the pile of protons that is us

howard bloom · 2:30 AM

to dream to to pre-conceive the change that nature wants out of us

howard bloom · 2:30 AM

the utter resculpting, upgrading she wants from all of her stars, galaxies, molecules, and organisms

howard bloom · 2:30 AM

that's were dream comes in

howard bloom · 2:30 AM

foreseing the upgrade

howard bloom · 2:31 AM

like dream of flight that's obsessed us for perhaps 200 thousand years

howard bloom · 2:31 AM

and that we pursued form the days of daedulus and icarus

howard bloom · 2:31 AM

in 800 bc or so

howard bloom · 2:31 AM

to leonnard da vinci

howard bloom · 2:31 AM

and lillinethal in the 1900s

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

all the way up to the wright brothers

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

who did not invent powered heavier than air flight

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

that was done in europe

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

but the europeans could only fly their planes in a straight line

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

they could not turn

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

the wright brothers inventing the turning mechanism

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

wing warping

howard bloom · 2:32 AM

that you could control with wires

howard bloom · 2:33 AM

so for 200 thousand years we dreamed and tried and failed

howard bloom · 2:33 AM

but those tries finally built the machinery that now allows us to fly daily

howard bloom · 2:33 AM

elon musk at spacex is doing that with space travel

Kelly Carlin · 2:33 AM

But how do we know what to ignore and what to pursue? So much seems to need our attention in 2013.

howard bloom · 2:33 AM

have you followed the space news of the last ten days?

Kelly Carlin · 2:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“Ahh...we are works in progress! I've always described myself that way, but the cosmic validation is nice!”

Kelly Carlin · 2:33 AM

I have not...

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

follow your passions

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

follow your joys

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

follow your bliss to quote joseph campbell

Kelly Carlin · 2:34 AM

LIke Joseph Campbell told me 20 years ago.

Kelly Carlin · 2:34 AM

ha!

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

make what you make the best and what brings forth the joy in you

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

back to the space news

Kelly Carlin · 2:34 AM

yes!

Kelly Carlin · 2:34 AM

Space

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

wow, you met him?

howard bloom · 2:34 AM

ok, space.

Kelly Carlin · 2:35 AM

no, a friend did...

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

a week or so ago the indians launched a probe to mars

Kelly Carlin · 2:35 AM

yes.

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

two days later we launched a mars probe

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

but there was a huge difference between ours and there's

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

do you have any idea of what it was?

Kelly Carlin · 2:35 AM

Money?

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

the indian probe cost one tenth

Kelly Carlin · 2:35 AM

yes.

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

of the american probe

Kelly Carlin · 2:35 AM

interesting.

howard bloom · 2:35 AM

in other words, for what we were spending

howard bloom · 2:36 AM

the indians could launch ten probes to mars

howard bloom · 2:36 AM

not just one

howard bloom · 2:36 AM

and a few days ago

Kelly Carlin · 2:36 AM

wow.

howard bloom · 2:36 AM

elon musk of spacex at cape canaveral

howard bloom · 2:36 AM

launched a 7,000 lb belgain communications satellite into geosynchronous orbit

howard bloom · 2:37 AM

again, what's the difference between a spacex launch

howard bloom · 2:37 AM

and a standard space-military industrial complex launch?

howard bloom · 2:37 AM

cheapness

Kelly Carlin · 2:37 AM

pork

howard bloom · 2:37 AM

for the cost of one standard launch on an american, european or russion rocket

howard bloom · 2:37 AM

the belgian company can launch 3 satellits

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

and cover parts of the globe that have never had satellite access before

Kelly Carlin · 2:38 AM

So, our gov't is no longer capable of moving fast enough or light enough…it is visionaries leading the way.

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

you got it

Kelly Carlin · 2:38 AM

Entrepreneurs.

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

elon is like the snap chat kies

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

kids

Kelly Carlin · 2:38 AM

It feels like we are all entrepreneurs these days.

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

he's dedicates his lilfe to dreams

howard bloom · 2:38 AM

yes, that's what you are force to be in comedya

howard bloom · 2:39 AM

and kelly, you are writing a book

howard bloom · 2:39 AM

a highly entrepreneurial process

Kelly Carlin · 2:39 AM

But there are so many who can barely scrape together basics in their life - how might we help THEM dream? This must be solved!

Kelly Carlin · 2:39 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jim Munro

“Young people can't get an education now without carrying the banks around on their backs for the rest of their life - hard to have nice dreams like that”

howard bloom · 2:39 AM

in which you have to take what's deep inside of you and

howard bloom · 2:39 AM

use it to make a mirror for others

howard bloom · 2:39 AM

the more accurately you see the hidden yous

Kelly Carlin · 2:40 AM

That is true.

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

the more you will give voice to things your audience has been unable to articulate

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

so your raw material is dream stuff

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

the stuff deep inside of you

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

it has no weight

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

it requires not much in physical resources

howard bloom · 2:40 AM

it's soul stuff

Kelly Carlin · 2:41 AM

So it is the invisibles behind the material that really shape and propel evolution. That seems to be what all of your writing is about!

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

so imagination is the primary resource

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

dreams

Kelly Carlin · 2:41 AM

Yes.

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

we are not running out of resources

Kelly Carlin · 2:41 AM

I love that.

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

we are running out of imagination

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

yup, soul stuff

howard bloom · 2:41 AM

How I Accidentally Started the Sixties is a comic soul quest

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

but the comedy is based on and conveys deep truths

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

so are all the rest of my books

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

even the Mohammed Code

Kelly Carlin · 2:42 AM

So true.

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

a dark and terrifying book about islam

Kelly Carlin · 2:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“I don't think we "run out of" imagination. we may be coerced into squelching it, though...”

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

is about how mohammed's imagination

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

has shaped a civilizationb

Kelly Carlin · 2:42 AM

Or, Jennifer - distracted away from using it.

howard bloom · 2:42 AM

that contains many smaller civilizations within it

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

i agree with jennifer

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

the eco-extremists do not want us to dream

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

if we dream we will eradicate species

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

if we dream we will disrupt their dream of nature

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

for they dream of a nature that never was

howard bloom · 2:43 AM

and pronounce it the only acceptible reality

howard bloom · 2:44 AM

but remember balance

Kelly Carlin · 2:44 AM

So, you're saying that we have to be willing to let go of nature as it is to let it become what it will be?

howard bloom · 2:44 AM

eco-thinkers have done incredible things

howard bloom · 2:44 AM

yes, in a sense, kelly

howard bloom · 2:44 AM

when we make a paper airplane that wee can control with a smartphone we change nature's possibilities

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

we introduce opportunities that this cosmos has literally never seen before

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

the eco extremists

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

the eco-nihilists

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

want us to believe that we should mourn for the tree that that paper sheet comes from

Kelly Carlin · 2:45 AM

And I do...

Kelly Carlin · 2:45 AM

I feel connected to it...

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

but nature kills off every tree to which se ever gives birth

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

and she never bothers to mourn

howard bloom · 2:45 AM

we have invented mourning

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

and it has a powerful place

Kelly Carlin · 2:46 AM

That is true…reminding me of my dad's routine - the Planet is Fine

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

it indicates another dream

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

the dream of transcending nature's cruelties

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

transcending death

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

a dream we will turn into a reality

Kelly Carlin · 2:46 AM

Yes, we do love that narrative, don't we? Christ anyone?

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

but if we do what we are doing noow

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

dream ourselves into decay

howard bloom · 2:46 AM

it will be the chinese who will pick up the slack

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

and give this cosmos immortality

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

LOL

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

yes, we are a civilization based on two different images of christ

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

that came from two very different jewish kids

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

one vision is that the meek shall inherit the earth

howard bloom · 2:47 AM

and that we should turn the other cheek

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

that came from a rude country boy in nazareth

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

jesus

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

and another idea entirely

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

that we should obsess on death by the cruelest and most humiliating torture the romans could invent

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

crucifixion

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

death in extreme pain

howard bloom · 2:48 AM

slow and public death on the cross

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

that image came from the man who reinvented christianity

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

and turned it into an export item

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

st paul

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

a city boy

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

for tyre

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

a sophisticate

howard bloom · 2:49 AM

and as gary said, sophisticates often try to show how smart they aree

Kelly Carlin · 2:50 AM

lol

howard bloom · 2:50 AM

by focusing on the negative

Kelly Carlin · 2:50 AM

And yet, he built an empire on that negative

howard bloom · 2:50 AM

so my advice to this culture is to pay attention to jesus

howard bloom · 2:50 AM

not st. paul

howard bloom · 2:50 AM

the kingdom of god is coming

howard bloom · 2:50 AM

the world is about to be reborn better than ever before

Kelly Carlin · 2:50 AM

Jesus was a dreamer.

howard bloom · 2:51 AM

but the kingdom of god is coming thanks to

howard bloom · 2:51 AM

youth culture

Kelly Carlin · 2:51 AM

God, I hope you're right Howard. I root for consciousness everyday.

howard bloom · 2:51 AM

the youths who invent the internet, google, amazon, snapchat, facebook, and powerup, the new paper airplane

howard bloom · 2:51 AM

an airplane resurrected

Kelly Carlin · 2:51 AM

The Noosphere.

howard bloom · 2:51 AM

and airplane reborn better than ever before

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

the paper ariplane of the kingdom of god.

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

toy are remarkable things, kelly

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

the reinvent our brains

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

and make us capable of radically new things

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

and i mean they change our brains literally

howard bloom · 2:52 AM

we imprint on them at key points in our lives

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

and they leave an imprint

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

in the morphology of the brain

Kelly Carlin · 2:53 AM

PLAY!

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

each generation that plays with a new toy

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

like the commodore 64 in the 1980s

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

grows up to invent new realities

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

garty marcus, a friend of mine

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

grew up with the commodore 64

howard bloom · 2:53 AM

he programmed in basic as a kid

howard bloom · 2:54 AM

when he went into neuropsychology

howard bloom · 2:54 AM

he saw the brain in terms of computer programs

howard bloom · 2:54 AM

a whole new way to see

Kelly Carlin · 2:54 AM

Playing like a child…dreaming like a child…believing in tomorrow like a child

howard bloom · 2:54 AM

an new field came from that new kind of thnking

howard bloom · 2:54 AM

cognitive psychology

Kelly Carlin · 2:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i do!!”

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

yes, and when you or gary go onstage in front of an audience on a really good night

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

your soul plays

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

with the attention the audience gives you

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

and you delight and are carried away

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

some nights the comedy dances you and you simply watch

howard bloom · 2:55 AM

that is the ultimate in making resources of mere soul stuff and dream

Kelly Carlin · 2:56 AM

So - giving the world permission to play and dream could be the most important work we have to do right now on this planet.

Kelly Carlin · 2:56 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“Collective energy...”

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

it is the ultimate in play

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

yes, i think so

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

and that is what the spirit of the sixties was about

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

that's, i think, a core element of How I Accidentally Started the Sixties

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

(available as an ebook from amazon.com)

howard bloom · 2:56 AM

commercial plutg

Kelly Carlin · 2:56 AM

lol

Kelly Carlin · 2:57 AM

And one last thing….

howard bloom · 2:57 AM

ok all ears :) :)

Kelly Carlin · 2:57 AM

How did you get Timothy Leary to read the manuscript for How I Started the Sixties? I'm so curious!

howard bloom · 2:57 AM

r u typing

howard bloom · 2:57 AM

howard bloom · 2:58 AM

ahhhhhhhhh

howard bloom · 2:58 AM

it was an accident

howard bloom · 2:58 AM

i finished How I Accidentally Started the Sixties in 1995

Kelly Carlin · 2:58 AM

of course. lol

howard bloom · 2:58 AM

and wanted to get some big name endorsements from people who were famous

howard bloom · 2:58 AM

so i wrote a letter (snail mail in those days, remember, at the time i was trapped in bed with cfs and was too weak to talk) to

howard bloom · 2:59 AM

a friend from the music industry, the manager eric gardner, who had gotten his start

howard bloom · 2:59 AM

as a roadie for the jefferson airplane

howard bloom · 2:59 AM

i wanted to see if he'd get How I Accidentally Started the Sixties to grace slick and martie balen

howard bloom · 2:59 AM

but eric wrote back and said he had a better idea

howard bloom · 2:59 AM

he was working with a guy named timothy leary

howard bloom · 3:00 AM

wow

howard bloom · 3:00 AM

so i printed out the ms

howard bloom · 3:00 AM

in those days you couldn't email it

howard bloom · 3:00 AM

and sent it to eric

howard bloom · 3:00 AM

and a few weeks later i got this amazing quote

Kelly Carlin · 3:00 AM

Jennifer - link to the book http://www.amazon.com/How-I-Accidentally-Started-Sixties-ebook/dp/B00GYOTWDM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386644358&sr=8-1&keywords=how+i+started+the+sixties

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

“This is a monumental, epic, glorious literary achievement. Every page, every paragraph, every sentence sparkles with captivating metaphors, delightful verbal concoctions, alchemical insights, philosophic whimsy, absurd illogicals, scientific comedy

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

amazing

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

but i didn't believe it really came from leary

Kelly Carlin · 3:01 AM

Holy LSD!

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

i mean, how could it?

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

so i stewed for a few years

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

then when i could talk abain

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

a friend came over to the house

howard bloom · 3:01 AM

douglas rushkoff the author

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

whose work is wonderful

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

but i disagree with every word

Kelly Carlin · 3:02 AM

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

and he brought an artyist from sf

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

deam cameron

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

turns out the two of them had sat with leary during the last months of his life

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

because i was imprisoned in the bedroom by illness

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

i had a printer next to the bed

howard bloom · 3:02 AM

i printed out the quote

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

and asked them to tell me if they thought it really came from leary

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

i mean i knew the answer

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

it couldn't possibly come from him

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

they both read it and as the did they lapsed into

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

a very strange silence

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

an absolutley funeareally dead silence

howard bloom · 3:03 AM

it took them a long time to open their mouths

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

i knew why

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

they were trying to tell me the quote was a phone without huring my feelings

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

then they finally spoke

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

"that's tim," they said, "that's tim"

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

the silence came beccause reading the words

howard bloom · 3:04 AM

brought back the feeling of being with a person you love

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

and knowing he is dying

Kelly Carlin · 3:05 AM

hmmmmm…..

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

so the quote was real

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

and another thing

Kelly Carlin · 3:05 AM

yes...

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

when I made contact wityh doug rushkoff to check the facts a few weeks ago

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

something dawned on me

howard bloom · 3:05 AM

'i was a man stuck in a bed in very, very bad shape

howard bloom · 3:06 AM

dancing in the dreamland of comedy

howard bloom · 3:06 AM

to amuse the few friends willing to read my snail mails and respond

howard bloom · 3:06 AM

and dancing in comedy space to lift myself out of my state

howard bloom · 3:06 AM

and to amuse myself into joy

Kelly Carlin · 3:06 AM

lovely...

howard bloom · 3:07 AM

tim leary, when he got How I Accidentally Started the Sixties

howard bloom · 3:07 AM

was in the same state

howard bloom · 3:07 AM

he was dying of prostate cancer

Kelly Carlin · 3:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“Sometimes it's those very, very trying times that open the gateway to our own new frontiers...”

howard bloom · 3:07 AM

and he badly needed something to lift him onto a joyscaep

howard bloom · 3:07 AM

that is one reason he was so very appreciative of the book.

Kelly Carlin · 3:07 AM

★ Spotlighted from Gary Shapiro

“Wow - great story! And great job, both of you. Howard deserves his name capitalized for the next Tawk :P”

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

you got it once again, jennifer

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

crisis peels away everything we know and depend on

Kelly Carlin · 3:08 AM

Jennifer gets three stars tonight!

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

and if we are lucky we summon the spirit to invent new landscapes

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

in which we can work and occasionally exult

Kelly Carlin · 3:08 AM

THAT is why I am writing my book...

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

yes, definitely, so does gary :)

howard bloom · 3:08 AM

howard bloom · 3:09 AM

what is the book?

Kelly Carlin · 3:09 AM

Always. Gary

howard bloom · 3:09 AM

is it the story of your growing up?

Kelly Carlin · 3:09 AM

My book about my life growing up in the chaos and shadow of fame, comedy and the 70s...

howard bloom · 3:09 AM

ah, yes. :)

Kelly Carlin · 3:09 AM

yes, based on my solo show.

howard bloom · 3:09 AM

it will be amazing, kelly

howard bloom · 3:09 AM

none of us know that world you grew up in

Kelly Carlin · 3:09 AM

I hope so.

Kelly Carlin · 3:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“I'm totally downloading your book now, but also greatly anticipating future tawks!”

howard bloom · 3:10 AM

and yet we will find ourselves in it

howard bloom · 3:10 AM

one last word

Kelly Carlin · 3:10 AM

yes. please.

howard bloom · 3:10 AM

if you do buy a copy of How I Accidentally Started the Sixties, please email me or facebook message me

howard bloom · 3:10 AM

and let me know what you think of it. i'm howlbloom@aol.com. :)

Kelly Carlin · 3:10 AM

Love that.

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

remember, it's at amazon.com

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

god what blatant promotion :)

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

but it is a wonderful book

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

it will lift you

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

no matter how low you may be.

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

like ti lifted leary.

Kelly Carlin · 3:11 AM

And I can't recommend enough the two books I have read twice of Howard's…Genius of the Beast and The God Problem.

howard bloom · 3:11 AM

:) :) :) :)

howard bloom · 3:12 AM

thanks, kelly, you are good for my soul.

Kelly Carlin · 3:12 AM

So…. DREAM….PLAY…JOY…PASSION…and walk away from dystopic visions...

howard bloom · 3:12 AM

and you, too, you tawkers who have remained in the shadows

howard bloom · 3:12 AM

not to mention jennifer and gary :)

Kelly Carlin · 3:12 AM

Howard - it is always a pleasure to have frontiers within opened by your amazing mind and huge heart.

howard bloom · 3:12 AM

you got it kelly :) have a good night! :)

Kelly Carlin · 3:13 AM

Good night.

Kelly Carlin · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Ten M

“Theres a lot of loving kindness in here. That's beautiful in its own way”

Kelly Carlin · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“well i was inspired tonight. cheers!”

Kelly Carlin · 3:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Jennifer Finnell

“Kelly, do you have a download link, too, or is yours still a work in progress?”

Kelly Carlin · 3:13 AM

Jen - I am just beginning my writing journey.

Kelly Carlin · 3:14 AM

Goodnight all. Thank you as always, for your time and attention. Enjoy the last days of the year…the light is coming!

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Blake IanNov 13, 2013, 1:14 PM★ Spotlighted

This is my favorite Tawk title so far!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

Doing our best!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:01 AM★ Spotlighted

ooo hello you two!!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:02 AM

and as for keeping warm,just been twerking my ass off!! :-)

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:02 AM

thanks Kelly!

Michael DiVitoDec 10, 2013, 2:03 AM

Fix the individual & you fix the World.

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:03 AM

you gotta have a dream of some kind

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:04 AM

Yes, interesting topic and description

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:04 AM

I missed the last one...maybe you could start with a summary, if you don't mind?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:04 AM

cos you know...if you don't have a dream,how you gonna make a dream come true?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:05 AM

*waves* hey Howard!!

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:05 AM

computers make our lives easier

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:05 AM

only if you are about 5 years old,Jim hehe

Michael DiVitoDec 10, 2013, 2:06 AM

Good evening Kelly,how are you doing?

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:07 AM

if you want vivid dreams you could try taking some melatonin before bedtime

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:07 AM

or cheese

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:07 AM

Having listened to a few hours of Terence McKenna recently, and watching Philip K Dick's "Matrix" press conference, I wonder. That's all I just wonder more about the nature of reality. In addition to the above, I'm v. familiar with meditation, buddi

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:08 AM

used to watch 6 episodes of Seinfeld then go to bed dreaming I was on an adventure with the gang

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:08 AM

yeah where have all mind expanding drugs gone?

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:09 AM

PK Dick could have had a role in that!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:09 AM

ha! yeah he could!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:10 AM

is the fact we kinda changed in the 60's cos we got colour TV?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:10 AM

imagination...

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:10 AM

been going down hill since then

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:11 AM

btw guys,click those thumbs or kelly and howard wont see anyones comments

Gary ShapiroDec 10, 2013, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Most science geeks argue that Sci-Fi has expanded humanity (e.g. the benevolent equality of the Roddenberry future)... please explain how you see it as limiting and dark.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:12 AM

every great advance starts with someone's crazy idea...

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:12 AM

I don't know if the core of the 60's per se is what we should be trying to revive, it was of its time and many socio-politico factors were in play

Michael DiVitoDec 10, 2013, 2:13 AM

The meeting at Jekyll Island in1913

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:13 AM★ Spotlighted

Young people can't get an education now without carrying the banks around on their backs for the rest of their life - hard to have nice dreams like that

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:14 AM

That's a great insight, Kelly.

Robby ReiderDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

HELLO! Feelin' very warm this Winter's evening, and I hope I do this right. First time, be gentle.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

Balance of life & death...

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

why cant you have a "nice" dream when around you is failing? i say you can have a dream,anywhere,anytime,no matter if you are rich or not,or are in good health or not....

John BakerDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

theres nothing with self-education, jim. the perception of necessity for a diploma to express ones capability is flawed to the extreme

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:15 AM

I like that. They document our common collective unconscious to a degree

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

Is this why people think we optimistic types are delusional? lol

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

quite possibly,jennifer

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM★ Spotlighted

I think it's irresponsible NOT to dream!

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

college is a lot more than a piece of paper - friends, meeting amazing academic types

Jhon SandersDec 10, 2013, 2:16 AM

Dystopian sci-fi has the value of unfolding possible futures and their ramifications for our consideration, the paths of which we ought not pursue. It's an aspect of the group mind sorting out what's what. It does have potential value.

Gary ShapiroDec 10, 2013, 2:17 AM★ Spotlighted

People feel smart when they focus on the doom/gloom... I agree it's time for our literary pendulum to swing back. Hope takes more courage than despair.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:18 AM

Amen to that, Mr. Shapiro!

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:18 AM

well yeah, let's sit around worshiping jillionaires that will improve our lives

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:18 AM

Things are hard for the youth in this self created and self perpetuated reality. They need a good degree from a good university before the company I work for would interview them. This wasn't so much the case pre 2008

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:19 AM

Is it really gloom that makes people feel smart? Or is it just easier to master despair than it is to master hope?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:19 AM

gloom is easier to handle than happyness is

Robby ReiderDec 10, 2013, 2:20 AM

I'd be doomed in the 1950s

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:20 AM

self-actualizing "achievers" - if they'd only collude to pay outrageous low taxes - wait that's the system we've got

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:20 AM

jim,i see you dont have a dream. did you ever have one? can you at least let the young folk of today try and have one? :-)

Gary ShapiroDec 10, 2013, 2:20 AM★ Spotlighted

Now we just have to teach all the millenial kids what "paper" is.

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:21 AM★ Spotlighted

"irony = drawing a tree on a sheet of paper"

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:21 AM

me I did ok, my dream is for young people to live free and not be beasts of burden for a corrupt system

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:22 AM

control is an illusion, though one we all entertain.

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:23 AM

not many of us have self control.....probably me included

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:23 AM

I agree, it would have been good to hear you discussing aurally, this is a bit like a chat room. No offence!! It's cool still

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:23 AM

I used to dream I was flying all the time. I miss those dreams...

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:25 AM

i can think a good joke,i just cant say it

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:25 AM

Yes!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:26 AM

So what's your take on the essence of the "dream machine"? What should we be doing as a society that perhaps we are missing right now?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:26 AM

i totally agree with what howard has said. "comedy" got my started on my long road into getting my art out there :-)

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:27 AM

@Lucy, me too. If we can't laugh at ourselves...

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:27 AM

@jennifer. its been hard for me but yeah,i can laugh at myself now

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:28 AM

when you get to that point where you've laughed at yourself so much - so ridiculously - that's when you become fearless. keep it up! :)

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:28 AM

self deprecating - yes, self-defecating - no

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:28 AM

Yes, more empathy is needed, sometimes, we seem to have disconnected with who we are present with, and communication breaks down. Hey, just trying to keep it happy....

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:29 AM

ourselves?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:30 AM

in othere words,jennifer,we control only ourselves. everyone is different,everyone can only control themselves

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:30 AM

when you get your own life in control,everything just falls into place

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:31 AM★ Spotlighted

Ahh...we are works in progress! I've always described myself that way, but the cosmic validation is nice!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:33 AM

...and then we try again. the beauty of human nature!

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:33 AM

what do you guys think of this statement, which sounds a bit holy and whatnot, but the kernel is right there: "Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:34 AM

i dont think there is a right and wrong way,jusy do what YOU feel is right

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:34 AM

"Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel."

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:35 AM

Baha'i (ism?)

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:35 AM

but what if you dont believe on GOD,JR?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:35 AM

@Lucy, I think our feelings are our compass.

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:35 AM

@jennifer - yes they are

John BakerDec 10, 2013, 2:36 AM

how do you mean compass?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:37 AM

the human compass - http://h2g2.com/entry/A87782070 - heres one version...

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:38 AM

I think the colorful dystopia of a cyberpunk apocalypse may soon be upon us.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:38 AM

@john, a compass, as in a guide, as in pointing us in the right direction. A moral compass. A happiness compass.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:39 AM

Thank goodness for the entrepreneurs! Otherwise we'd all be owned by the "tried and true."

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:39 AM

What is the difference between an entrepreneur and a philanthropist?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:39 AM

@chris - money

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:39 AM

yes, we're all entrepreneurs now, no more businessmen and women

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

The same difference between those mars probes, etc.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

the "hidden yous". I like that...

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

Can we just get rid of money forever?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

@cheis - possibly

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:40 AM

It has "weight" in its potential, does it not?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:41 AM

i cant damn well spell! lol so sorry

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:41 AM

To play devils advocate, technology has severely progressed since the days of Cape Canaveral, which is decommissioned right. I agree that a lot of the money was spent on bureaucracy and other handouts to contractors etc..So leads me into, what do yo.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:41 AM

I have a feeling human innovation must first strike economic and political progress, advancement, etc.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:41 AM

Before tackling the next thing.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM

Our government and economy is pretty outdated isn't it?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't think we "run out of" imagination. we may be coerced into squelching it, though...

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM

Think the future of human space exploration will be, and settling colonies on other planets. The warp drive is now a technical possibility. 2 weeks to Mars.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:42 AM

JR W -- you mean the use of dark energy to warp space/time?

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:43 AM

Yeah Elon musk has spoken about colonising Mars, and warp drives

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:43 AM

Yes, Kelly. Sad either way, but important to remember that it is always there to be reclaimed upon regaining our senses. :)

John BakerDec 10, 2013, 2:43 AM

the systematic suppression started with getting women to smoke cigarettes

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:43 AM

and it was sold as liberation

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:43 AM

They are ruining the dream environment.

Benjamin SwartoutDec 10, 2013, 2:44 AM

so we are still dealing with the flawed capitalist system exploiting people and destroying the ecosystems right? how do we co-create the dream/reality that will fix that?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:44 AM

Fear of change...

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:45 AM

cosmos is a pretty tall adjective

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:45 AM

err

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:45 AM

statement

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:45 AM

“You must unlearn what you have learned.”

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:45 AM

Mankind primarily has to let go of its misconceived role in nature.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:46 AM

We are far far far from unique.

Gary ShapiroDec 10, 2013, 2:46 AM

This is all quite brilliant, Howard. Would you say that nihilism is anti-nature?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:46 AM

but we do still have a responsibility to care for the planet that nourishes and sustains us. Even if there is change on the horizon, we need to exist in the present, don't you think?

Jim MunroDec 10, 2013, 2:46 AM

darn - I promised myself I would try not to think of George for the whole show

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:47 AM

I liked one of McKenna's ideas that we really aren't things unto ourselves. We are a plan by the planet, to be its stewards, but maybe like a cancer that went a little demented.

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:47 AM

I don't think the metaphor is too greatly off track.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:47 AM

lol

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:48 AM

Yes, I like your style. I think it will be the Chinese who next rise as an Empire, but that's not connected to "one conciousness"

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:50 AM

Well, didn't Paul eschew all his previous trappings and take to life as a wandering preacher?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:50 AM

gloom making us smarter again!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:50 AM

and fear controls...

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:50 AM

St Paul, miserable git by what I've heard. Always moaning about something or other, "oh, I'd better write a letter and do some more walking"

John BakerDec 10, 2013, 2:50 AM

howard bloom, youre talking about howard beale and making a product out of the misery one sees that people will buy

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:51 AM

Paul was trying to appeal to a culture that understood sacrifice and believed in atonement being necessary...?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:51 AM

st paul made great cathedrals.....

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:51 AM

I wonder if it was preached this way because he wanted the message understood or because his own ideas were thusly biased.

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:52 AM

Obviously, God wants us to fly...

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:52 AM

The youth will create the future is surely clear

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 2:52 AM

Did Peter bow out of this? Did he agree? Did he return to his "right hand man" role even after Jesus claimed he was the rock?

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:53 AM

Oh yes he did a good cathedral!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:53 AM

And that's why creative play is such a powerful learning tool for little kiddos. For adults too, I think...

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM

Commodore 64!!! Anyone remember Zork???

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM★ Spotlighted

i do!!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:54 AM

i think....

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:55 AM★ Spotlighted

Collective energy...

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 2:55 AM

If you're talking about brains as computer programs, have you seen Philip K Dick's press conference in France 1977?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:56 AM

is that why,even tho i have a terrible singing voice,i feel flippin great after i have done my bit?

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:56 AM

Well stated, Kelly!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:57 AM

Howard, can we have the link?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:57 AM

alll this sci-fi talk has reminded me of a really corny joke..how many ears does captain kirk have?

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:58 AM

he has 4 - a right ear,a left,a final front ear and an engineer

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 2:58 AM

*groan* lol!

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 2:58 AM

well it made me giggle lol

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:00 AM

Nice!

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 3:01 AM

Ah come on, I know you've got a book to sell, but we need serious debate on matters fore mentioned by the panel

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:02 AM

Thanks, Kelly!

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 3:05 AM

Well thanks for asking the question Kelly ;-P

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:06 AM★ Spotlighted

Sometimes it's those very, very trying times that open the gateway to our own new frontiers...

Gary ShapiroDec 10, 2013, 3:06 AM★ Spotlighted

Wow - great story! And great job, both of you. Howard deserves his name capitalized for the next Tawk :P

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:09 AM★ Spotlighted

I'm totally downloading your book now, but also greatly anticipating future tawks!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Kelly, do you have a download link, too, or is yours still a work in progress?

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 3:10 AM★ Spotlighted

Theres a lot of loving kindness in here. That's beautiful in its own way

Lucy DyerDec 10, 2013, 3:11 AM★ Spotlighted

well i was inspired tonight. cheers!

Jennifer FinnellDec 10, 2013, 3:14 AM

Looking forward to your emergence, Kelly! :)

Ten MDec 10, 2013, 3:15 AM

Nice one!

Chris PearsonDec 10, 2013, 3:23 AM

Thanks for the Tawk :)

Blake IanFeb 6, 2014, 6:05 PM

When do we get another of these two Tawks between Kelly and Howard!? ?