Jordan Birnbaum

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David Kaufman

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Jul 19, 2013

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

Mr. Kaufman, I presume?

David Kaufman · 1:05 AM

I am here.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

Excellent -welcome back, my friend. And a big hello to everyone in the audience.

David Kaufman · 1:05 AM

HellO!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:05 AM

OK -let's provide a little context before we dive right in.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

David and I were friends in high school, rediscovered each other on FB, and discovered...

David Kaufman · 1:06 AM

First, the earth cooled. Then, the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died, and turned into oil. And then the Arabs came, and they bought Mercedes Benzes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:06 AM

that we found the other to be witty, insightful, and complketely wrong about all things political.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

See what I mean - he's funny, or at least references funny movies.

David Kaufman · 1:07 AM

Made by a Republican, no less...

David Kaufman · 1:07 AM

(Although he got less funny once he came out.)

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:07 AM

Yeah, but that was when Republicans still had a shred of dignity

David Kaufman · 1:07 AM

I think that's a risk.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

came out as a Republican?

David Kaufman · 1:08 AM

Yep.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

Figures - he stopped hanging around with cool people.

David Kaufman · 1:08 AM

I think it's probably much easier to come out as gay than as a Republican.

David Kaufman · 1:08 AM

In the arts, that is.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:08 AM

I agree - especially nowadays

David Kaufman · 1:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“so looking forward to this. :-)”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

Gays don't have a complicated relationship with science.

David Kaufman · 1:09 AM

What, you think there's no gay people who believe in man-made global warming?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“and there you have it ladies and gents - an evolution lesson”

David Kaufman · 1:09 AM

Aww, Lucy.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:09 AM

All right already -let's get started

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

Now from our last tawk, the gross oversimplification of our positions:

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

David wants way less government, and I want way more.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:10 AM

Does that sound fair David?

David Kaufman · 1:10 AM

Yeah, that works, I suppose.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:11 AM

Now - I do have to make one point of clkarification. When I say that I want more government, I don't mean I want more of the government we have now.

David Kaufman · 1:11 AM

Right. You want other people to force you to do stuff.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

Because, frankly, I think the Democrats are as hopelessly corrupt (for the most part) as the Republicans

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Harry Martinian

“How about good and effective government?”

David Kaufman · 1:12 AM

You're unhappy with the people forcing us to do stuff now, and you think other people will do a better job of forcing.

David Kaufman · 1:12 AM

The less they do, the better they'll be...

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:12 AM

Well, I believe that human corruption is inevitable, so I want a system of checks and balances that keeps it from spiralling out of control.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

OK David - we'll take that idea - the less they do -and start to apply it to several industries.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“yes government is a great thing if it is used properly... not like whatever is going on right now in ours..”

David Kaufman · 1:13 AM

OK.

David Kaufman · 1:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“Big Bird could be the new NY mayor”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

let's start with energy. do you stipulate theat the energy industry is responsible for huge environmental externalities - water and air pollution, price manipulation, etc.?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:14 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“How about a govt that works for the people instead of the corporations...you know like the Constitution says it's supposed to work”

David Kaufman · 1:15 AM

Well, it depends what you call "huge." "Price manipulation" isn't an environmental externality, incidentally. But there are certainly externalities.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:15 AM

yeah - i caught that, thanks.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

So if the energy industry does create externalities, can it be trusted to regulate itself?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:16 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Yes, the traditional energy industry - but not solar, wind etc.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

good point Rick - and optimistic - I like it!

David Kaufman · 1:17 AM

It's regulated by the consumers. Consumers will pay for what they want. They want lower priced energy or they want electric cars or whatever.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

how is pollution regulated by consumers?

David Kaufman · 1:17 AM

How many people bought Priuses last year

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:17 AM

tail wagging the dog

David Kaufman · 1:18 AM

How many people reduced their energy usage?

David Kaufman · 1:18 AM

How many people turned their thermostats down or insulated their house, blah blah blah, because it was costing too much.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

None of this impacts BP's negligence in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

David Kaufman · 1:18 AM

That's regulating energy usage.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:18 AM

None of this impacts the environmental effects of fracking.

David Kaufman · 1:18 AM

No, but that's not what you asked about. BP's negligence in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is not energy-specific.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:19 AM

OK - Let me stay focused on pollution. Can we trust the energy companies to reguylate themselves? Can consumers have an impact on how corporations pollute?

David Kaufman · 1:19 AM

Lots of people, myself included, drove past Exxon stations after the Valdez.

David Kaufman · 1:20 AM

Lots of people continue to drive past BP stations.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:20 AM

Do you think that choosing Shell over Exxon makes a difference?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:20 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Consumers didn't want BP to turn the Gulf into a tub of Mobil 1...that wasn't exactly consumer-driven”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:20 AM

AND - do you want to have customers simply be reactionary? In other words, let the disaster happen and then try to punish them afterwards?

David Kaufman · 1:21 AM

Yes, I do. Are we talking about whether the energy that people want is "too dirty for our own good," or are we asking whether a corporation will show positive behavior and be rewarded for it.

David Kaufman · 1:21 AM

But they don't simply punish. It also acts as a warning to the other companies -- you don't want to be this guy that lost all his customers after he was a bad guy.

David Kaufman · 1:21 AM

So be careful.

David Kaufman · 1:21 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“Don't you think tho w things like the gov. should help promote green technologies and solutions jsut as much as the oil companies promote? Because they are nowhere near having the same advertising. People are swayed by what they see and know the most”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:22 AM

Dude - didn't Exxonn just post the biggest quarterly profit in human history?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:22 AM

Did thery really pay a price for the Valdez?

David Kaufman · 1:22 AM

30 years later. It took 'em a long time to fight back.

David Kaufman · 1:22 AM

And a merger.

David Kaufman · 1:22 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“have a disaster just so they would have an excuse to raise prices - mmmm they couldn't possibly do that now could they?”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Harry Martinian

“These divisions of people vs corporations are an ineffective approach. we all need to work together for the good of all.”

David Kaufman · 1:23 AM

Lucy -- that's a broken window fallacy. It doesn't really work.

David Kaufman · 1:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Blake Ian

“My grandma molly used to say "be careful" .. pretty much all the time - for no reason.”

David Kaufman · 1:23 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Amazing how so many companies can work without polluting, dumping and other foul play. The companies whining for less regulation are kind of like children complaining they can't pass a test without cheating”

David Kaufman · 1:24 AM

Seth -- well, that's sort of my point -- most companies DO work without polluting, dumping and foul play. What MORE regulation will work, without causing more negative effects?

David Kaufman · 1:24 AM

Things don't stay the same if you change something, they shift.

David Kaufman · 1:25 AM

You can't create a situation where a business can't do business and then bitch that they've fired all their workers.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:25 AM

David - I fear your philosophy is clouding your perception. To insinuate that somehow the oil industry has paid a significant price for the environmental damage it has caused strains credibility.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:25 AM

It seems that in such a case, an EFFECTIV E regulatory body that is adequately, staffed, trained and compensated can get in fron of these issues.

David Kaufman · 1:26 AM

And what regulations would work?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:26 AM

Minimum thickness of cement surrounding pipes

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:26 AM

Minimum quarterly stress tests

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:26 AM

I mean, I could bring in an expert, but I would think you get my point

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:27 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“harry I agree... we just need to weed out the "bad eggs" so to speak...”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:27 AM

I mean, when I owned a venue, Building and Safety had codes to ensure my building didn't collapse on my customer base. It cost me money, but it sure eseems reasonable.

David Kaufman · 1:28 AM

And in the absence of those codes, you would have let your customers be squashed?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:28 AM

Me? No. Others? Yes.

David Kaufman · 1:28 AM

Squashed customers don' t buy drinks.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:29 AM

Every nightclub fire is the result of codes being violated.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:29 AM

Doesn't stop it from happening.

David Kaufman · 1:29 AM

So more codes will stop them from being violated?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:29 AM

enforcement of codes will - frequent visits from fire department and regulators will force them to comply

David Kaufman · 1:30 AM

Maybe we could monitor all of their email traffic for words like "fire codes," and "screw 'em."

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:30 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“true jordan but I think that has to do more with the extreme value we have put on money and now that our economy is so messed all people are only thinking of is money.. that leads to people doing bad to others I believe.. sad”

David Kaufman · 1:30 AM

★ Spotlighted from Harry Martinian

“This ping pong of statements between Jordon and David is tiresome and counterproductive. Where is the common ground folks?”

David Kaufman · 1:31 AM

★ Spotlighted from Harry Martinian

“Can you two stop the playground tit for tat stuff?”

David Kaufman · 1:31 AM

Harry -- probably not. We used to hang out on the playground.

David Kaufman · 1:31 AM

But I think you make an important point -- what IS the middle ground?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:32 AM

The common ground is the wilingness to engage in points of view to consider and allow our opinions to evolve.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:32 AM

The other cvommon ground is get money out of politics so that we can go back to having actual discussions about policy

David Kaufman · 1:32 AM

My notion is that you have to have a relatively small set of understandable basic rules. Additional complexity leads to problems.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:32 AM

★ Spotlighted from Anyus Grasso

“I don't think codes by themselves will stop anything, but severe penalties being applied when they are indeed violated could serve as a cautionary tale for others.”

David Kaufman · 1:33 AM

I think that's fair, Anyus.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:33 AM

★ Spotlighted from Harry Martinian

“You might realize you have grown up a bit and there others looking at your sorry ass antics.”

David Kaufman · 1:33 AM

Harry -- I have not grown up. Take that back.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:33 AM

Actually, Harry, I think that's probably the most egregious comment thus far, so well done.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:34 AM

OK David -I could make the same regulatory points about the financial industry, the food industry, the media industry.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:34 AM

In each case a lack of regulatory authority considering the well being of the populace has led to immeasurable harm.

David Kaufman · 1:35 AM

Right, but most of them seem to come down to either, "People eat stuff that I think is bad." which I don't think is up to you, or, "People are going to poison other people willy nilly," which I think isn't really true.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:35 AM

People are going to poison people? That's willy nilly?

David Kaufman · 1:36 AM

Well, I don't think they will poison people willy nilly.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:36 AM

And my friend @Rebecca has plenty of evidence that the poisoning is real and happening.

David Kaufman · 1:36 AM

Incidentally, that may be the first time in my life I have used "willy nilly."

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:36 AM

Why did Monsanto need a law protecting them from future liability from GMOs.

David Kaufman · 1:36 AM

They shouldn't have gotten it.

David Kaufman · 1:36 AM

But that's the same argument.

David Kaufman · 1:36 AM

I'm not looking for government protection of industry.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:37 AM

well, here's the common ground. we both hate that.

David Kaufman · 1:37 AM

People do a bad thing, they don't get to be protected.

David Kaufman · 1:37 AM

I don't want the government helping or hindering business. I want government out of the business business.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:38 AM

But then who is going to stop big pharma from introducing drugs with terrible side effects and dubious benefits? Do you want people to suffer first, and then respond with punishment?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:38 AM

Isn't therew a moral imperative to protect society from corporate malfeasance?

David Kaufman · 1:38 AM

I don't know -- why don't you ask the millions of people who have been prevented from taking useful drugs because the FDA.

David Kaufman · 1:39 AM

Fails to act to approve drugs.

David Kaufman · 1:39 AM

The notion that corporations work without people operating them is bizarre.

David Kaufman · 1:39 AM

Corporate malfeasance is the same as personal malfeasance.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:40 AM

I don't about that one. I'm sure that the FDA has at times blocked useful drugs. But that doesn't consider how much benefit we've gotten.

David Kaufman · 1:40 AM

It's just done in the context of a collective.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“well if you did get money out of politics and out of being the main motivator.. than people wouldn't have a reason to create things that harm us those things are created solely for money I think”

David Kaufman · 1:40 AM

There's lists of cancer drugs that sit on the shelf while people die.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“I like the sorry ass antics. That's why I participate.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:40 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Saying all regulation is bad would be like saying all stop signs and traffic lights are bad and are transportation-killing”

David Kaufman · 1:41 AM

I'm not saying all regulation is bad. I'm saying you have to keep this stuff to a minimum, and government action should, generally speaking, be a solution of absolute last resort for a given problem.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:41 AM

All right -that seems like a reasonable resting place for this topic.

David Kaufman · 1:41 AM

I think, Rachel, that if the government got out of th ebusiness of picking winners and losers and got out of the business of being involved in so much, that the money would be far less there.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:42 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“i know why the FDA dont approve certain drugs,one word - MONEY.”

David Kaufman · 1:42 AM

Lucy -- exactly.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:42 AM

So, in our last Tawk, you stated with glee that you are a war monger.

David Kaufman · 1:42 AM

Yeah, I'll cop to that.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:43 AM

So why don't you present us with an overview of your philosophy on US foreign policy.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:43 AM

are we the polic of the world?

David Kaufman · 1:43 AM

Yeah, I think we kind of are

David Kaufman · 1:43 AM

I think when we see something like rape rooms or people being put into shredders or genocide, it's up to us.

David Kaufman · 1:44 AM

I think we do have a responsibility, and a national interest in promoting liberal (in the traditional sense of the word, don't get too excited) democracy.

David Kaufman · 1:44 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“TEAM AMERICA!!!”

David Kaufman · 1:44 AM

Also, we have cool shirts.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:45 AM

Soi my first question is whether you believe we are consistent in the principles we use to make decisioons about intervention across the globe?

David Kaufman · 1:45 AM

No.

David Kaufman · 1:45 AM

But I also recognize that there's nothing we can do about North Korea, for example.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

OK - so I assume that you would then be a proponent of far motre military action across the entire planet?

David Kaufman · 1:46 AM

As evil as the regime is, there's not a lot we can do about it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

Africa?

David Kaufman · 1:46 AM

To the extent it would be effective, yeah.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

South America?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:46 AM

Asia?

David Kaufman · 1:46 AM

It depends what we're talking about.

David Kaufman · 1:46 AM

Do I think we need to stop genocide in Darfur? Yes.

David Kaufman · 1:46 AM

Do I think we need to overthrow Cuba?

David Kaufman · 1:47 AM

Not today.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:47 AM

I mean, there is widespread horrible stuff going on on every continent. Rape rooms and torture and horrible things.

David Kaufman · 1:47 AM

And to the extent our intervention would be effective, then I think it's appropriate.

David Kaufman · 1:47 AM

I think the Taliban needed overthrowing. The problem generally comes when we screw up the peace.

David Kaufman · 1:48 AM

We took care of Hussein quickly. What we didn't do was properly establish a replacement.

David Kaufman · 1:48 AM

So we left Iraq in the hands of warlords.

David Kaufman · 1:48 AM

Which ended up with us stuck there, and lots more people dead.

David Kaufman · 1:48 AM

You can't leave a power vacuum and assume the good guys will take over.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:48 AM

Do you think it's fair to say that during the height of the British Empire, they were the police of the world?

David Kaufman · 1:49 AM

I don't really think they did a whole lot of policing.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:49 AM

India?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:49 AM

Australia?

David Kaufman · 1:49 AM

I suppose.

David Kaufman · 1:49 AM

But I think of it in a more limited role.

David Kaufman · 1:50 AM

But the world is a smaller and different place than it was then.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:50 AM

I think throughout history, the European colonization of the globe created most of the tribal conflicts in Africa, created the India - Pakistan conflict.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:51 AM

Basically, doesn't work, and causes more problems than it solves. That's why Star Trek has The Prime Directive. Dammit, Jim -I'm a doctor!

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Anyus Grasso

“No! Please, I'm South American, Argentinian to be more exact... please, please, pleaseeeeeee pretty please, don't.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:51 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“(swears loudly at David) yes there is!! the the money out of politics,you stop most,if not all,the wars”

David Kaufman · 1:52 AM

That's simply not true. Were that true, there would have been no wars prior to, I don't know... England?

David Kaufman · 1:52 AM

There have been tribal wars forever.

David Kaufman · 1:52 AM

You ever read Exodus?

David Kaufman · 1:52 AM

Or David vs. Goliath?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:53 AM

No -I think every empire, going back to Alexander The Great and then Rome, has left global conflict in their wake.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:53 AM

Exodus the Bible or Exodus the Paul Newman movie?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:53 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Good point Lucy, oh yes the Koch brothers who want govt out of the way but forget to mention they made their inheritance from Stalin's communist govt and every business they're in lives on Corp. Welfare...do as they say not as they do”

David Kaufman · 1:53 AM

I meant Exodus, the Bible, 'cause it was before England.

David Kaufman · 1:54 AM

But I will concede that British and French colonialism and double dealing is in great part responsible for the Middle East right now.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:54 AM

Ahhh, nice. So I am bvery worried that we are creating the same kind of long-term damage.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:54 AM

Maybe we're both right to an extent on this one.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:54 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“David Democracy must come from within...you can't force it on people otherwise it's not Democracy”

David Kaufman · 1:55 AM

So what do you think we should do with rape rooms and genocide? Tsk, tsk?

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:55 AM

I'd be more inclined to run rescue missions and bring people to the States than to engage in combat

David Kaufman · 1:56 AM

You can't rescue everyone who needs rescuing. We can't bring the entire female population of Afghanistan here.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:56 AM

but we can invade every country where the people need rescuing? You crazy.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:57 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“seth,its just the way they want it. its kinda like they own playground to test their little war toys on”

David Kaufman · 1:57 AM

Nope. But a limited 'rescue mission" saves a handful of people. Sometimes, you have to overthrow a monster.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:57 AM

All right - we're coming up on an hour.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:58 AM

So I have one last question before we go. Edward Snowden - hero or traitor? (I say hero)

David Kaufman · 1:59 AM

I say a little of both -- I mean, I appreciate that he let us know about this stuff. I really find it amusing that the government says that they have controls on the use of the information, and this guy manages to give it to the world.

Jordan Birnbaum · 1:59 AM

As a libertarian, are you offended by the NSA program?

David Kaufman · 2:00 AM

Of course I am.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Well - this is where liberals and conservatives can find a common ground.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Is the ACLU liberal or conservative? I think both.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“everyone say hi to the NSA”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:00 AM

Hi NSA!

David Kaufman · 2:01 AM

No, I think they're liberal. If they were both, they'd be defending the 2nd Amendment as strongly as the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:01 AM

NSA -did you lose weight? You look terrific!

David Kaufman · 2:01 AM

Hi, Mitch! (Mitch is my personal agent over at the NSA.)

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:02 AM

OK - so we both oppose the unholy alliance between government and corporations, yes?

David Kaufman · 2:02 AM

Yes, but for ironically different reasons.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:02 AM

We both oppose The Patriot Act and assault on our civil liberties, yes?

David Kaufman · 2:02 AM

Yes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:03 AM

we both the unequal application of law to various criminals in the country, yes?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:03 AM

oppose

David Kaufman · 2:03 AM

Yes.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:03 AM

OK - well this is a good starting point. If Snowden can bring together Glenn Beck and Michael Moore, maybe you and I have a chance after all.

David Kaufman · 2:04 AM

Occupy and the Tea Party started out with roughly the same rhetoric.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

true - anti-corruption - money out of politics

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“NSA is more corp welfare...in this case to Booz, Allen and Hamilton look at their posh digs in Atlanta 50 story high-rise...but meanwhile we get on starving people getting $4/ day to feed their families”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:04 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“and the people on welfare get accused of being too lazy or not wanting to work.. fucking bullshit”

David Kaufman · 2:04 AM

And then Occupy went off with those stupid twinkle hands... and no showering and, I don't know, something else.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:05 AM

Yeah, I'm sure the Tea Party antics made you proud. "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

David Kaufman · 2:05 AM

Better than that horrible patchouli smell.

David Kaufman · 2:05 AM

Just couldn't take it.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

OMG -please. It's like comparing Animal House with Neidermeyer's fraternity.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

I'll take Belushi 100 timjes out of 100.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:06 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Patchouli and cat piss - the smell of a 60's apartment.”

David Kaufman · 2:07 AM

Sure -- but Occupy wasn't Belushi. It was Rainbow Berkowitz and her vegan mung bean salad.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

lol

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:07 AM

All right -that's probably a great way to go out.

David Kaufman · 2:08 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rachel McDonnell

“david a little occupy prejudice? :(”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:08 AM

David - I do love tawking with you. It keeps me sharp..and increduluous...but it forces me to open my mind to another perspective. Even one that's wrong.

David Kaufman · 2:08 AM

Rachel -- yeah, I think so. I'll trade you Occupy for the Tea Party, OK?

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

I think we can agree that the entire world deserves to be made fun of.

David Kaufman · 2:09 AM

No. Just Harry Martinian.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:09 AM

Yeah, I'll second that.

David Kaufman · 2:09 AM

And Carrot Top. Hate that guy.

David Kaufman · 2:10 AM

★ Spotlighted from Rick Rosner

“Vegan Mung? I think I dated her in 1974.”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

So thanks for engaging me in stupid-ass tactics, or whatever he called it.

David Kaufman · 2:10 AM

My pleasure.

David Kaufman · 2:10 AM

That would be a great name for a Rock Band.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:10 AM

audience -you werre amazing tonight - thank you so much for playing with us.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

I bid you all good night, and David, I'm already planning Ep. 3 -"The Reckoning."

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Anyus Grasso

“Thanks to the both of you, it was fun and definitely interesting.”

David Kaufman · 2:11 AM

I look forward to it.

David Kaufman · 2:11 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“I paid all this money for tickets but didn't get to see any bloodshed...I'm disappointed:(”

David Kaufman · 2:12 AM

And next time, Seth -- it's a steel cage match.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

Thank YOU Anyus -and we'll keep shit out of South America for you.

David Kaufman · 2:12 AM

I'm bringing in Rowdy Roddy Piper and Mr. Wonderful, Paul Orndorff to help/

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

How do you know I'm not bleeding? From slamming my head against the computer when David said that Exxonn paid a steep price for the Valdez disaster.

David Kaufman · 2:12 AM

;)

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:12 AM

★ Spotlighted from Lucy Dyer

“yeah glad we finished playing with you two. i gotta go wash my hands. you two are filthy”

David Kaufman · 2:13 AM

I drew First Blood.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

Yeah - and that's what created Rambo. You better run!

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Stand Your Ground Jordan!”

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:13 AM

ooooooh - that one hurt, Seth.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

OK, I'm goi9ng to say goodnight and really mean it this time. (This is like a really good date that I don't want to end)

David Kaufman · 2:14 AM

You hang up first.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:14 AM

exccept I don't want this one to end wityh a kiss.

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

Thanks again to everyone, and if you're coming here late, hit the top button in the upper left corner to pick this up from the beginning

Jordan Birnbaum · 2:15 AM

So keep Tawking, and remember you're not alone!

David Kaufman · 2:16 AM

Especially with the NSA on the case.

Jordan Birnbaum · 3:35 AM

★ Spotlighted from Seth Hochman

“Shouldn't Stand Your Ground really be called get out of jail free?”

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Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 12:31 AM★ Spotlighted

so looking forward to this. :-)

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 12:53 AM

Why, fair maiden? All tawk leads the way to dusty death.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 12:57 AM

hey there young man!! how are ya?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 12:58 AM

hey rachel :-)

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 12:58 AM

Dead, yet alive. Alive!

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 12:59 AM

well thats a start

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:00 AM

"Death is only the beginning." from The Mummy.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:00 AM

ah yes...not a bad film

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:01 AM

The highlight from the recent one is, of course, Rachel Weisz.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:01 AM

hi Lucy! :) here and ready :)

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:01 AM

rick,rachel wasnt in the last one

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:01 AM

One what?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

ooo before i forget rachel,i wanna talk to you about something

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

film rick...film

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

sure lucy

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

here? or after?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

do it on FB after this :-)

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

sounds good. :)

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:02 AM

Oh, THAT Rachel.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:03 AM

haha so many rachel's lol we are awesome ;)

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:03 AM

*coughs* i'm sorry?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:03 AM

lucy's are awesome too ya know

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:03 AM

I'm lost already.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:03 AM

thats cos women are talking,rick

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:04 AM

I'm hanging on every word.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:04 AM

of course lucy's are awesome! :D

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:04 AM

haha

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:05 AM

sorry for any confusion rick :)

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:05 AM

dont wo9rry,its not hard to confuse Rick hehe

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:05 AM

Out of chaos comes order.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:05 AM

Hi Jordan and David! :)

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:06 AM

hey there JB and David!!! nice to meet you again.

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:06 AM

Bah.

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:07 AM

David, you stole that!

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:07 AM★ Spotlighted

and there you have it ladies and gents - an evolution lesson

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:07 AM

where do the dinosaurs come into it tho?

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:07 AM

1865

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:08 AM

Good one Jordan

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:08 AM

ahhhh i see

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:08 AM

Enough of the foreplay...let's get the show on the road

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:10 AM

JB we started way before ya!! keep up love :-)

Tawkers AdminJul 19, 2013, 1:10 AM

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Tawkers AdminJul 19, 2013, 1:10 AM

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Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

How about good and effective government?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:11 AM

i want the Muppets in government...oh wait,you already do

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:11 AM★ Spotlighted

yes government is a great thing if it is used properly... not like whatever is going on right now in ours..

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:12 AM

Bring back the Ptolemys.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:12 AM

haha David I like you.. lol

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Big Bird could be the new NY mayor

Blake IanJul 19, 2013, 1:12 AM

Sorry Im late for the rumble! Any blood yet?!?

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:13 AM★ Spotlighted

How about a govt that works for the people instead of the corporations...you know like the Constitution says it's supposed to work

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:13 AM

and dora the explorer could the secretary of state

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:13 AM

yeah I'd say Democrats and Republicans really aren't that different anymore.. at least not toward the 99%

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:13 AM

No they're just standing their ground Ian

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:14 AM

no,ian no hand bags at dawn yet....

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:14 AM

Do less but accomplish more, should be the standard. Asking for les or more is an unqualified statement.

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:15 AM★ Spotlighted

Yes, the traditional energy industry - but not solar, wind etc.

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:16 AM★ Spotlighted

These divisions of people vs corporations are an ineffective approach. we all need to work together for the good of all.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:16 AM

energy industry is only part of the pollution problem. they are under the thumb of the government anyways

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:16 AM

Just look at how well self-regulation worked out for the banks

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:16 AM

And i want to date Rachel Weisz.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Consumers didn't want BP to turn the Gulf into a tub of Mobil 1...that wasn't exactly consumer-driven

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:19 AM

alot of people over here in the UK have insulated thier houses,and they still are rising the gas and electricity prices

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:19 AM★ Spotlighted

Don't you think tho w things like the gov. should help promote green technologies and solutions jsut as much as the oil companies promote? Because they are nowhere near having the same advertising. People are swayed by what they see and know the most

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:20 AM

Sorry to say, most people need to be led.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:20 AM

dont be silly,rachel,and lose big money on oil and coal...tsk tsk

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:20 AM

And who wants to have their water turn into fire because the gas company fracked your water and you're f*cked

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

have a disaster just so they would have an excuse to raise prices - mmmm they couldn't possibly do that now could they?

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

Amazing how so many companies can work without polluting, dumping and other foul play. The companies whining for less regulation are kind of like children complaining they can't pass a test without cheating

Blake IanJul 19, 2013, 1:22 AM★ Spotlighted

My grandma molly used to say "be careful" .. pretty much all the time - for no reason.

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:22 AM

Where's the ELF when you need them?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:23 AM

why couldnt it work? and how do you know this NOT to be true,david? in other words prove it

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:23 AM

exactly many of America isn't educated about HOW to go about being more green and their true options because little to no advertising or awareness goes to this.. unlike the oil industry

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:24 AM★ Spotlighted

harry I agree... we just need to weed out the "bad eggs" so to speak...

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:24 AM

most don't actually David. That is why there is one disaster after another

Tawkers AdminJul 19, 2013, 1:25 AM

Tawkers - Check out a new guy in the audience Harry Martinian - click on Who's Here? to LISTEN to Harry and see his comments. He seems pretty smart

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:25 AM

trouble is rachel,its people like David here that wont - or dont - want to see the bad eggs. they think everything is all hunky dory. drives bloomin bonkers

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:26 AM

Just look at how well chemical industry regulation worked in Texas. 15 people are dead. No regulation or regulators paid to regulate with two eyes closed doesn't create jobs, it literally kills people

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:27 AM

if people actually were punished effectively the first time around for these offenses.. they wouldn't be being done... like some of these fines are so small compared to what they actually make.. that doesn't stop the corrupt from continuing doing bad

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:27 AM★ Spotlighted

This ping pong of statements between Jordon and David is tiresome and counterproductive. Where is the common ground folks?

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:27 AM

Let's not forget Tea Party congressmen were apologizing to BP after it killed 10 workers and turned the Gulf into a giant Jiffy Lube...how sick is that. We're not looking to create jobs by hiring cancer doctors and guys in Hazmat suits-those aren't

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:28 AM

the jobs I'm looking to create

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:28 AM

The ping pong is the point, Harry.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:29 AM

unfortunately ,i doubt there is a common ground,harry

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:29 AM★ Spotlighted

true jordan but I think that has to do more with the extreme value we have put on money and now that our economy is so messed all people are only thinking of is money.. that leads to people doing bad to others I believe.. sad

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:30 AM★ Spotlighted

Can you two stop the playground tit for tat stuff?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:30 AM

ok ok stop you two!! i agree with JB that there needs to codes BUT i guess David is also right in some ways,in that you dont need more codes to regulate things. you need to have people making sure the codes already in place are kept

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:31 AM

Common ground? This is supposed to be a debate.

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 1:31 AM★ Spotlighted

I don't think codes by themselves will stop anything, but severe penalties being applied when they are indeed violated could serve as a cautionary tale for others.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:31 AM

Republicans aren't really against regulations...only against regulations on business, regulating women's bodies, who can vote, who can marry, and workers' rights are all on the table for them

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:32 AM

agreed anyus

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:32 AM★ Spotlighted

You might realize you have grown up a bit and there others looking at your sorry ass antics.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:32 AM

to be fair seth... I don't think that's all Republicans?

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:33 AM★ Spotlighted

I like the sorry ass antics. That's why I participate.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:34 AM

you leave my ass outta this,Rick

Harry MartinianJul 19, 2013, 1:34 AM

Time to grow up David, can't take it back we move forward or fall behind.

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:34 AM

See, it always comes back to sex.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:34 AM

about 95% Rachel

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:35 AM

Harry,little boys grow up to be little boys (sighs)

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:35 AM

maybe we just need more humane regulators? lol seems simple.. I know it's not silly me thinking we should all be in it to help each other out

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:35 AM★ Spotlighted

Saying all regulation is bad would be like saying all stop signs and traffic lights are bad and are transportation-killing

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:36 AM

Rachel ,are you in Montana? If so, help me out ny getting me a job in Missoula.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:37 AM

i got food poisoning once whilst working in a restaurant. they did dam all about it too.expected me to come in to work the next day

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:37 AM

Or, as Chico said: We bear you out!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:37 AM★ Spotlighted

well if you did get money out of politics and out of being the main motivator.. than people wouldn't have a reason to create things that harm us those things are created solely for money I think

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:38 AM

@seth ok so 5% are good lol see? :)

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:38 AM

@rick are you talkin to me? I am from Minnesota actually

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:38 AM

trouble is David,Monsanto arent "classed" as bad because they are protected up to their back teeth.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:38 AM

But it's not a two way street David. These companies saying govt get out of our way are more than happy to be taking govt handouts for their business and more than happy to buy up politiicans

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:39 AM

Why aren't you saying business should stay out of govt and stop trying to run the govt. You can't say govt get out of the way when you're for taxpayer handouts, corporate welfare every year

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:39 AM

I was, Rachel. Thought you were in MT.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:39 AM★ Spotlighted

i know why the FDA dont approve certain drugs,one word - MONEY.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:40 AM

maybe we should leave it up to the SCIENTISTS.. sort of what they do.. science has all we need to create the right type of regulations and testing

Tawkers AdminJul 19, 2013, 1:40 AM

The rooms filling up and the comments are flowing... Be sure to VOTE UP comments from others in the room so the hosts can see the ones you like.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:41 AM

dont you ever listen to Lee,Rachel? he said you cant trust scientists. hehe

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:41 AM

The Tea Party stripped food stamps from the Food Bill but kept $20 billion in handouts to billion dollar food business like Kellogg's...doesn't sound like they really want govt to get out of their way...sounds more like give us the money and don't

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:41 AM

tell us what to do

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:42 AM

Very true Lucy...and big reason mary J isn't legalized is Big Pharma doesn't want competition nor do the for-profit prisons want to lose any of their "customers"

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:43 AM

what don't trust SCIENCE? I can't get on board with that. They need to do independent studies of anything tested outside any gov. lab a few .. to ensure validity and reliability use science right & it works

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:43 AM

yeah thats true Seth

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:43 AM★ Spotlighted

TEAM AMERICA!!!

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:43 AM

god help us all

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:43 AM

I can see that David.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:44 AM

(not the war mongering tho) *peace*

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:44 AM

It's actually the businesses themselves picking the winners and losers as they bankroll politicians. We need to get corporations out of the govt. It doesn't say of, for and by the corporations in the Constitution

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:45 AM

lot of these "wars" are bought and paid for buy...oh yeah..politicians and big businesses. The Koch Brothers and the like have alot to answer for

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:45 AM

seth don't get me started on the reasons marijuana is still illegal.. I have a whole rant lol

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:46 AM★ Spotlighted

(swears loudly at David) yes there is!! the the money out of politics,you stop most,if not all,the wars

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:46 AM

I'm sure I would agree with you wholeheartedly Rachel. A big way to cut the debt would be to end for-profit prisons which demand 95% filled prisons and the reasons all these mandatory min. sentences came about. They represent the worst of

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:47 AM

The problem with the rest of the world: too many foreigners.

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 1:47 AM★ Spotlighted

No! Please, I'm South American, Argentinian to be more exact... please, please, pleaseeeeeee pretty please, don't.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:47 AM

capitalism and socialism. We could cut the debt dramatically by just not imprisoning someone doing pot and instead send them to rehab or perhaps even legalizing it and taking away the criminal aspect of it

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:48 AM

The problem with the world is we don't see each other AS connected.. instead we insist on constantly battling over what belongs to ALL of us

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:48 AM

you didnt establish a replacement cos the US government dont think that far ahead

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:49 AM

Over half of our prisoners are sitting in jail at over $30k/ yr for doing pot. Something the last three presidents have admitted to doing. Then their lives are ruined because they can't find a decent job anymore and end up on govt assistance,

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:49 AM

and the cycle repeats

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:50 AM

there are rape rooms and human trafficking happening all over the country here in America.. how come we don't start a "War" on them?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:51 AM

cos its the good ole us of a,rachel

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:51 AM★ Spotlighted

Good point Lucy, oh yes the Koch brothers who want govt out of the way but forget to mention they made their inheritance from Stalin's communist govt and every business they're in lives on Corp. Welfare...do as they say not as they do

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:52 AM

and many corrupt people make a lot of money from those rings.. sickening!

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:53 AM

tho kock brothers OWN the government - its just that not many people wanna see that

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:53 AM★ Spotlighted

David Democracy must come from within...you can't force it on people otherwise it's not Democracy

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:54 AM

I think it is a bleak world view to believe that violence will and should always be the answer... if history has taught us ANYTHING it's that war never solves anything.. people die needlessly and power still corrupts... part Native here just saying

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:54 AM

Iraq is actually worse off than when we started with it. Hussain was the devil but now there are 100's of warlords and Iran controls the place. At least Saddam was held in check, now it will be almost like Afghanistan

ed goldsmithJul 19, 2013, 1:55 AM

whats up or better yet whats in the middle

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:55 AM

and who here believes the 9-11 story of terrorism told?

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:55 AM★ Spotlighted

seth,its just the way they want it. its kinda like they own playground to test their little war toys on

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:56 AM

what are we doing with them? I don't see us going into Sudan to stop that from happening. We went to Iraq because they've got the oil and apparently no WMD. Oops missed on that one...let's take a mulligan!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:56 AM

promote humanity.. promote humane leaders.. reward good acts more... give people a new way of thinking and living that doesn't include as all blowing each other up? because then we're all fucked

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:56 AM

why go in somewhere where our (and i mean us and uk) presence is not needed and by going in and fighting it just makes worse

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:57 AM

Right Lucy, for the Tea Party they want War, War and more War and if there isn't a reason for war they'll find one. They believe war is good for business!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:57 AM

@Seth yet turns out the US is the largest producer of oil right now I just heard somewhere

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:57 AM

exactly Seth. again it all boils down to money

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:58 AM

You can't blow over a Trillion Dollars warmongering on a place that never had WMD, and then claim the other party is wasting money

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 1:58 AM

then rescue the system, create a system that values survival and humanity above money.. yes financially it may be necessary.. but that's not what should drive a society or a world... and rn the two are the same all being torn at by corruption for $$$

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 1:59 AM

Schmendrick

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 1:59 AM

With the money blown on Iraq we could've provided healthcare to every American and rebuilt every road, bridge and highway. How about nation building in America

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 1:59 AM

rachel,its already there - its called the UN. and thats as corrupt as everyone else

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:00 AM★ Spotlighted

everyone say hi to the NSA

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:00 AM

well then we need to start something from scratch! innovation is needed

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:00 AM

not trying to work within an old system that has been corroded

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

and corrupted

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

Hi NSA! say hi to your mom too.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

not gonna work rachel,not with those in power now

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

Common Ground: We don't approve NSA not at all

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

plus you would need to get rid of the koch brothers,everyone on wall street,those in government etc

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:01 AM

Amazingly they hear Americans phone conversations, but just happy to miss the conversations from the Boston and Times Square Bombers

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:02 AM

Mitch Miller or Mitch Ryder?

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:02 AM

haha you are on a first name basis? lol

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:02 AM

seth,i think they had a lunch break round about then

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:03 AM★ Spotlighted

NSA is more corp welfare...in this case to Booz, Allen and Hamilton look at their posh digs in Atlanta 50 story high-rise...but meanwhile we get on starving people getting $4/ day to feed their families

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:04 AM★ Spotlighted

and the people on welfare get accused of being too lazy or not wanting to work.. fucking bullshit

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:04 AM

thank you Snowden! :)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:05 AM

Right in the US you've to work to get welfare, so they aren't lazy but you've a lot of lazy people on the top living off the teats of the taxpayers like the Koch's, sucking up billions in corp. welfare

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:05 AM

trouble is - PRISM is only the icing on the cake. there is FAR worse things going on than PRISM

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:05 AM

I'm sure there is Lucy.. so it makes you wonder if this scare the shit out of us.. what ELSE is really going on

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:06 AM

have any of you even looked into what the bigger picture of this whole PRISM thing is? its freakin well gob smacking

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

Patchouli and cat piss - the smell of a 60's apartment.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:06 AM★ Spotlighted

david a little occupy prejudice? :(

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:06 AM

haha

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:07 AM

@Rick lol! omg patchouli does smell tho.. what is UP with that stuff? lol

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:07 AM

Too much of anyhting . . . .

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:07 AM

vegan mung? is that a nickname?

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:08 AM

ok we can barter...

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:09 AM

thanks for your honesty

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:09 AM

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:09 AM★ Spotlighted

Vegan Mung? I think I dated her in 1974.

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:09 AM

pmsl @Rick

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:10 AM

TMI Rick

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:10 AM

haha oh it was a fun talk.. thanks you two! :)

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:10 AM

Don't get me started . . .

Rick RosnerJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM

Thanks, guys.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM

haha oh the poor hippies got a bad rap this tawk lol

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

Thanks to the both of you, it was fun and definitely interesting.

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

I paid all this money for tickets but didn't get to see any bloodshed...I'm disappointed:(

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM★ Spotlighted

yeah glad we finished playing with you two. i gotta go wash my hands. you two are filthy

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:11 AM

the reckoning lol thanks guys! :)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:12 AM

That's more like it. Politics MMA style

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 2:12 AM

Hahaha, thanks Jordan, I appreciate that :)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:12 AM

Definitely some old school names David

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:12 AM★ Spotlighted

Stand Your Ground Jordan!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:13 AM

hahaha @ Jordan is there a keyboard mark on your forehead? ;)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:13 AM

We've witnesses here...don't try to claim self-defense!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:13 AM

or the hulk? lol

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:14 AM

tough time to be a woman.. and/or a minority.. again RIDICULOUS FLORIDA

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:14 AM

Definitely a Tawk topic for another day...hopefully soon

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:14 AM

Don't have to tell me Rachel...I live here

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:14 AM

Jordan,your nut is hard enough to with stand you head butting your own computer.

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:14 AM

I'm so sorry Seth :/

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:15 AM

Stand your ground unless you're a woman or highly-melanined American

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:15 AM

haha I feel like we are now involved in the end of someone's awkward first date lol

Lucy DyerJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

yeah if JB was a woman,he could throw tampons at david - an assault with a deadly weapon!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

Thanks Jordon! :) Thanks David! :)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

Just ask the Afro American doing 20 for firing warning shots at her husband...stand your ground didn't apply in her case but if a kid attacks you with Skittles

Anyus GrassoJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

Goodnight everyone! Great tawk!

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

I've heard shit about Skittles.. you gotta stay away from them they will RUIN your world

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:16 AM

lol

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:17 AM

again RIDICULOUS..

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:17 AM

And watch out for the Arizona Iced Tea while you're at it. Those owners should get registered to buy that weapon

Rachel McDonnellJul 19, 2013, 2:18 AM

I'll be careful Seth.. you too.. you live there.. good talking with everyone tonight. :)

Seth HochmanJul 19, 2013, 2:18 AM★ Spotlighted

Shouldn't Stand Your Ground really be called get out of jail free?

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJul 19, 2013, 2:57 AM

David, I'm a food researcher. The history of food adulteration stretches at least back to the Greek and Roman empires. Food regulation came in and fewer people died from bad food.

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJul 19, 2013, 2:59 AM

These days, we are being poisoned by food additives and chemical fertilizer and pesticide residues that are found in drinking water, soil samples, the blood of pregnant women and EVEN fetuses. (Feti?)

Rebecca Westbrook TokerJul 19, 2013, 3:03 AM

And Jordan, unfortunately, NOBODY is going to stop big pharma from introducing drugs with terrible side effects: http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q32013/supreme-court-rules-drug-companies-exempt-from-lawsuits/